Panentheism (Religion)

by David Turell , Monday, April 30, 2012, 16:09 (4590 days ago) @ dhw

Under "Einstein and Time: The "reality" of math": Matt argued that there were only two possible distinctions: "If God is part of the universe, then God IS the universe. If God is separate from the universe, then God is not part of the universe." David replied: "I agree that God is the universe, as you interpret it", and I wrote a detailed response to both comments.-Matt in his exactitude frame likes to play what he thinks is 'gotcha'. I don't think as he does, so the game goes nowhere. -
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> My apologies if I've given offence, but my post was meant to be a response both to you and to Matt, ....... As I see it, the logical answer is not necessarily consciousness or mind, but energy that transmutes itself into matter. The energy is what I think BBella sometimes calls WHAT IS or ALL THAT IS. You can therefore logically argue that energy is and has also created the universe. David's panentheistic belief is that this energy is conscious; the atheist's belief is that it is not conscious; the agnostic as always sits on his fence. However, once again, my apologies both to David and to Matt if my posts are an unnecessary interference. Alas, the road to hell is paved with good intentions!-No apologies needed. You are right on with your analysis and as sitting referee.First cause is conscious energy. Vilenkin says there was a creation of this universe from his math. That should satisfy Matt since the proof of creation comes from the math. Therefore, this universe is within a cocoon of conscious energy which expands as the universe expands. That makes God within and without, and for BBella is ALL THAT IS.