Knowledge & Illusion (for Romansh) (General)

by romansh , Saturday, February 25, 2012, 03:54 (4656 days ago) @ dhw

Your idea of what constitutes knowledge is clearly different from mine, which is why I need to know what YOU mean by "knowledge". 
I don't mean anything by knowledge dhw, I was just interpreting my understanding of the definition you agreed upon,
> Definitions are essential if we are to avoid going off at tangents. There is no general consensus on whether Jesus died for our sins, and that is why it comes under the category of belief.-Again in the Bible belt I would argue there is general agreement. This was my point.
> (which I have defined as "information which individuals accept as being true although there is no general consensus on its truth.") Beliefs can differ as much as you like ... knowledge remains fixed unless or until the general consensus changes (e.g. people once "knew" that the sun went round the Earth).
While I agree the earth spinning is a better model than the sun going around the sun, members of the Flat Earth Society would disagree there is general concensus.-> You asked me how I could prove that other people exist so that you could know it (which again makes a definition of "know" essential). I explained that on a common sense level, the evidence came through perception, communication and experience, even allowing for the fact that "my views of them [other people] are subjective". 
I don't disagree with you here. But ultimately knowledge comes from a common belief. So knowledge is just a belief with some bells and whistles.
> Subjective perception does not mean that what we perceive does not exist! What evidence do you have that your family and friends are an illusion (forget about me)? "Tonnes" is hardly an answer, and it is no answer to say that our capabilities of perception are not what they seem. We are talking only of existence, not of interpretation. Even if free will is an illusion, as you believe, how does that prove that other people are an illusion?
I don't recall saying people don't exist. I'm not even skeptical on the subject. I am just saying they are illusions (not as they seem) as opposed to delusions (they don't exist). -I don't deal in proof dhw. I have none. Just evidence.
The evidence (for me) points to free will being an illusion or a total non sequitur.
rom