Is dhw Safe??? (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Saturday, August 20, 2011, 22:25 (4844 days ago) @ David Turell

One of these was directly covered by Sacks. What he's missing however is that it takes someone who is ultimately disciplined to instill those rules in the first place. But in my mind, the only universal truth that exists for man is that we cannot exist without each other. 
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> > The problem discussed is one Nietzsche identified: What does society do now that we have killed God? We have no punisher for the afterlife. There are living examples of those who have done perfectly well with nothing other than other people as their focus-->Look to the east.
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> You have made excellent points, but your statistics re prison don't work. I said that the humanists I know are exemplary in their ethics. Of course their number will be fewer in prison. The problem is atheists talk a good game but they don't go out and teach as the religions do. Your other point that it takes discipline is very true, and parents today are of the 'whatever' generation.-Atheism does not necessitate humanism. Typically in America, atheists essentially follow de-facto Judeo-Christian ethics, without really thinking about or realizing that they are following the ethics.-The subtle point regarding prison statistics, is that logically rational & educated people typically follow the implicit and explicit rules of society...-the problem has very little to do with ethics as much as socio-economic status. Atheists tend to be pretty affluent, whereas Christians run the gamut. (Most atheists are college educated, therefore they have correspondingly higher salaries.)-If you compare crime rates according to income, THERE you have your correlation--and it has NOTHING to do with religion.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"