Making new evolutionary innovations (Introduction)

by David Turell , Saturday, November 30, 2019, 20:59 (1818 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The only cells I know of that are pristine are stem cells. How do individual groups of them in different parts of the body communicate to decide on a major change? I still thinks it needs an agent.

dhw: Stem cells may well be the key to the whole evolutionary process. Cell communities would communicate in the same way as when they decide on a minor change. Why do you think cells are incapable of communication when all the articles you have presented here illustrate that very process?

DAVID: Of course I know cells communicate in their daily duties in my articles. We know of nothing further. How they can arrange to design is my issue.

dhw: So why did you ask how they communicate? I know you don’t think they are capable of cooperating in order to design something new, but communication is not an issue.

DAVID: Since you think the cells communicate their so-called intelligence, I asked you how they do it, at that intellectual level in order to design. We know how they communicate during daily work.

dhw: You are trying to conflate two issues. You do not accept that cells have the intelligence to do their own designing. This has nothing whatsoever to do with communication, because they would use exactly the same means of communicating innovative “thoughts” as they use to communicate adaptive “thoughts” and the “thoughts” required for their everyday work. This is a non-discussion.

DAVID: No, I'm not conflating. We only know how cells communicate during daily work. You suppose another line of design communication that has no current evidence. I prefer to work with theory from existing evidence.

dhw:What on earth is design communication? All organisms have their own means of communication. Cells communicate through chemical signals. Whether they communicate everyday tasks, adaptive tasks or innovative tasks, they will still communicate through chemical signals. But you do not believe they are capable of innovative tasks. A non-discussion which we should end.

We agree that cells communicate chemically in their everyday tasks. Those simple signals are go or no go. 'Design communication' is what is required in exchanging design concepts, something that requires a designing mind or minds ( like at Volvo), not extrapolation of poor Shapiro's theoretical extensions of his bacterial research.