The Nature of this Conflict (Humans)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 16:09 (5420 days ago) @ dhw

dhw,
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> ... Do you really believe there are no Deist, Christian, Muslim or Jewish scientists at work today? Or do you think they're all schizophrenics?
> -I have to say that with this particular thread, my "conversion" as it were to agnosticism is essentially complete. There is no way to remove perspective from this debate, and therefore all answers one generates is based purely on perspective. Back when I started college, I wrote a paper discussing Creationism vs. Evolution that essentially said as much. "An atheist looks at the evidence for evolution and says "Life does what it does without interference, therefore no God is necessary to explain life, and a scientifically minded theist says "The complexity of life is so astounding a mind must have come up with it!"" My conclusion was that both conclusions were being drawn from the same data, but neither conclusion is testable and both are philosophical--NOT scientific. -My initial break from atheism though was really because of Dawkins. At first, he seems intelligent and well-spoken... but before long you begin to see exactly where his hatred creeps in, and before long he's arguing that all theists are idiots. For science to spread and not die it must be pluralistic, and that means that contrary to what Dawkins says, we need more theists. We need more Francis Collins. Why? Theists won't listen to the "enemy," but for Collins to be evangelical and stand up and say "Evolution is fact," it shakes the foundation of that particular religion--and by getting more people like that, we can help the 1/2 of the country that thinks evolution is false. Not just natural selection, but evolution itself.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"