Cosmology; Hawking's theory of a beginning (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, March 06, 2018, 18:24 (2454 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I am quoting him because the 'no boundaries' proposal specifically says there is no 'before' before the Big Bang. It specifically implies a creation of some sort. Naturally I choose God.

dhw: If there is no ‘before’, there is no God. If there is a ‘before’, it can just as easily have been mindless energy and matter as a conscious mind. I really don’t think for one moment that the atheist Hawking thinks his theory specifically implies a “creation” that would allow for your God.

DAVID: Of course he won't. And 'before' only God existed outside of time.

dhw" “Time” is irrelevant if you accept my definition of time as a sequence of before-now-after. Either there was or there was not a “before” the Big Bang. Hawking says there wasn’t, and you say there was. If there was a before, that does not prove that the before must have been a God. It could have been eternal energy and matter.

Pure eternal energy has no particles. We see it in the lab as plasma, not real matter as we know it. What has appeared from that initial state includes time and organized matter, requiring a designer, who was/is the eternal One.