Watching asteroids; possible damage (Introduction)

by David Turell , Tuesday, March 07, 2017, 15:22 (2606 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Limitations are only one possibility, not the only explanation available as I have indicated. Why can't I look at it in several ways, all of which are logical approaches to the problem. Perhaps evolutionary change was preferred. I'm not wedded to any of the possibilities of explaining His methods.

dhw: You have ONLY offered preprogramming and/or dabbling as his methods, and you have ONLY offered the one purpose: to produce humans. You are asking the question I keep asking you: why can’t you look at it in several ways, all of which are logical answers to the problem of why the history of life is one long sequence of hugely varied life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders extant and extinct. Maybe humans were not planned from the beginning. Maybe your God wanted to create an ever-changing spectacle, and hit on the idea of an enhanced consciousness as the spectacle developed. Or maybe your God wanted to create an enhanced consciousness like his own but didn’t know how to do it and had to experiment. Tony clearly has other “maybes” in mind.

Your comments shift from methods to possible intentions. I think we've agreed God uses evolutionary processes. You have God's possible intentions wandering all over the place, as if He were a wandering human, not sure how to proceed. He is not. I view Him as absolutely purposeful. In my view He started this universe to create humans as His prime purpose.

DAVID: Humans had to be planned from the beginning. They are here against all odds, not required by nature's stresses; nothing more is required to recognize the reason I accept the premise.

dhw: ALL life is here against all odds, and the survival of bacteria shows that NO multicellular forms of life were required by nature’s stresses. You continue to wander around all over the place (your words, not mine) because you resolutely refuse to look at the problem in any way other than humans being planned from the beginning, and everything else being a means to that end. And you still won’t tell me why this belief is so important to you that you are unable to consider any alternative explanations of life's history.

My view covered above in my new remarks today. The belief makes perfect sense to me. To use your own words: "ALL life is here against all odds", but humans are a very special form of life with a consciousness that is so unusual in its magnitude of attributes, we cannot explain it. During the during the past 8-10 million years of human evolution, haven't you noticed that nothing else really evolved? Some species disappeared, but apes and monkeys stayed the same. We are looking at God's final drive to produce H. sapiens, the end of His process. We are looking at my developed faith against your groundless applying of human motives to God's activities.

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