James Le Fanu: Why Us? (The limitations of science)
There are only a few possibilites: either the universe is eternal with Big Bangs and Big Crunches, and that gets rid of a deity in my opinion; - Why would an eternal universe, with big bangs and crunches get rid of the idea of a deity for you? Are you saying you think of a deity as "One" outside looking in, a creator of, but not part of? If there is a higher power, deity as you call it, that creates all that IS, why then could there not be a deity that is all that IS, not just "One" outside what IS? Why is it unbelievable that an eternal being can dwell within the eternal universe of all that IS, the seen and unseen, and be a forever being that is ALL ONE, yet ever changing, which we all are a part of? Have you come to your assumption by evidence as well as by faith or, just by evidence? - >If our universe arrived from a total void, there is a deity. - I don't know about a deity, but I do believe in the higher power within all that IS. If I would call this higher power a name it would be CHANGE, or IS. This is not a being that creates or is separate from creation, it is creation itself, meaning all that IS, seen and unseen, all that ever changes. - This deity that you believe may have created the universe also would've had to create the void before the big bang, correct? But,if this deity was before the void, then doesn't that really mean there was no void before the big bang? Void, as in, no thing? Do you think the deity created a space for the big bang? If so, that would mean, again, there was not a total void before the big bang, there was a deity and whatever space/dimension (etc) he/it/she dwells in. - Maybe there can be some clarification of what you mean by deity and total void?
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George Jelliss,
2009-05-24, 20:15
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David Turell,
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