Eternity (Origins)

by David Turell , Sunday, November 24, 2013, 01:03 (4015 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw:"Plans" and "laws" are loaded terms, because of course they imply intelligent design, but the atheist case is that there is no planning. Dawkins says there are estimated to be 100 billion galaxies in our universe alone (disregarding the zillions of universes that may have preceded our own), and atheists argue that the "laws" are natural and not divine (i.e. that is how materials behave). -The reason the atheists have fought against the idea of fine tuning, and Vic Stenger has written a book filled with errors denying fine tuning exists, and they also add multiverses to the mix is that they know that the number of galaxies in this universe is not enough to overcome the odds against chance. It is too bad you do not follow Strassler who explains how theoretical quantum physicists invent imaginary worlds to help them understand this world. This world is very complexly ( A word?) organized at its basic levels and studying alien states of matter in imagined universes helps explain this one. My point is they are using other 'laws' than the rules of conduct for matter they find here. Paul Davies questions the origin of those local laws, and he is not a theist although he borders on deism.