Denis noble debunks neo-Darwinism (Introduction)

by dhw, Saturday, August 31, 2013, 11:49 (4103 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Watch this all the way through. It shows how complex genome interaction is with the cell cytoplasm. It shows Lamark was partially correct. This is a concise 38 minute discussion. well worth it:-http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eJhotrNeYGE-Note how many tims he quotes James Shapiro's book. I can tell you that the old-line Darwinists don't buy Shapiro-Thank you for this. As you say, Denis Noble stresses cooperation and interaction as major factors in change and in speciation. I heard nothing against the concepts of common descent and natural selection. The whole lecture seemed to be concerned with HOW evolution happens, and with the case against random mutations, which you and I have long since jettisoned. He made a very revealing comment towards the end, but I was too slow off the mark fetching pen and paper, and couldn't find a way to reverse the video. It was along the lines of:-"The genome is an organ of the cell not its dictator. Control is distributed. The genome is not isolated from .... the environment."-If the genome interacts with the rest of the cell, and if their joint interaction with the environment is able to produce inheritable changes (Lamarckism), can anyone seriously doubt that the prime mechanism in evolution is the creative intelligence of the cell?-You and Noble mention James A. Shapiro, and out of interest I looked him up on Wikipedia, where I was astonished to find the following paragraph:
 
"Later, Shapiro showed that bacteria cooperate in communities that exhibit complex behavior such as hunting, building protective structures, and spreading spores, and in which individual bacteria may sacrifice themselves for the benefit of the larger community.[14][15][16] Based on this work, Shapiro believes that cooperative behavior is a fundamental organizing concept for biological activity at all levels of complexity.[17]"-This directly echoes the Lynn Margulis quote I reproduced a few days ago, and obviously both of them were following precisely the same line of evolutionary thought: cooperation between cells is the key to evolutionary progress, and there is no way you can have cooperation without intelligence. Margulis goes so far as to call it consciousness.-We do not know where that consciousness originated, and I'd go so far as to suggest we shall never know. The focus here is purely on how evolution works. And it's out with random mutations and the selfish gene, and in with the intelligent cell!-Thank you again for all these updates.