Science and love, music, art, etc. (The limitations of science)
DHW says I have completely missed his point, but I don't think I have. - Writing of creationists and evolutionists he says: "Both sides have formed Gestalten in exactly the same way: by joining up segments, by foregrounding and backgrounding etc. We think theirs is wrong, and they think ours is wrong, and we each accuse the other of ignoring the evidence. The difference between the two sides is the subjective manner in which everyone joins the dots: we prioritize science, they prioritize the Bible. It's the prioritization that forms the subjective basis of our Gestalten." He concludes: "I am merely pointing out that all beliefs are arrived at through the same process." - Where I disagree with this is that the evolutionist view is not "subjective" it is objective. DHW seems to take the relativist or postmodern view that objectivity is impossible to attain or approach. - The same applies to the paranormal and material interpretations of psychological experiences, and the differences between David Turell and myself. I maintain that he is too willing to accept accounts of subjective experiences as evidence, while objectivity requires a more sceptical approach. This is not prejudging the issue. It is simply making an objective evaluation of the evidence.
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GPJ
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-11, 21:47
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dhw,
2009-02-13, 08:44
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Mark,
2009-02-13, 12:15
- Science and love, music, art, etc. -
David Turell,
2009-02-13, 13:46
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Mark,
2009-02-13, 14:38
- Science and love, music, art, etc. -
David Turell,
2009-02-13, 17:39
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Mark,
2009-02-13, 18:15
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David Turell,
2009-02-13, 19:51
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Mark,
2009-02-13, 20:13
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David Turell,
2009-02-13, 20:26
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-14, 09:47
- Science and love, music, art, etc. - David Turell, 2009-02-14, 13:50
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David Turell,
2009-02-14, 14:00
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dhw,
2009-02-16, 13:25
- Science and love, music, art, etc. - David Turell, 2009-02-16, 15:55
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-16, 19:14
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dhw,
2009-02-17, 11:31
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-17, 17:07
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Mark,
2009-02-17, 19:40
- Science and love, music, art, etc. - George Jelliss, 2009-02-18, 09:15
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dhw,
2009-02-18, 11:49
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-19, 10:48
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dhw,
2009-02-20, 08:22
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-20, 18:52
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dhw,
2009-02-21, 11:25
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-22, 14:03
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dhw,
2009-02-23, 11:39
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-23, 18:13
- Science and love, music, art, etc. - David Turell, 2009-02-23, 20:50
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dhw,
2009-02-24, 10:28
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David Turell,
2009-02-24, 13:59
- Science and love, music, art, etc. - David Turell, 2009-02-24, 14:30
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-25, 12:06
- Science and love, music, art, etc. - dhw, 2009-02-26, 12:25
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David Turell,
2009-02-24, 13:59
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-23, 18:13
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dhw,
2009-02-23, 11:39
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-22, 14:03
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dhw,
2009-02-21, 11:25
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-20, 18:52
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dhw,
2009-02-20, 08:22
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-19, 10:48
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Mark,
2009-02-17, 19:40
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George Jelliss,
2009-02-17, 17:07
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dhw,
2009-02-17, 11:31
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dhw,
2009-02-16, 13:25
- Science and love, music, art, etc. -
George Jelliss,
2009-02-14, 09:47
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David Turell,
2009-02-13, 20:26
- Science and love, music, art, etc. -
Mark,
2009-02-13, 20:13
- Science and love, music, art, etc. -
David Turell,
2009-02-13, 19:51
- Science and love, music, art, etc. -
Mark,
2009-02-13, 18:15
- Science and love, music, art, etc. -
David Turell,
2009-02-13, 17:39
- Science and love, music, art, etc. -
Mark,
2009-02-13, 14:38
- Science and love, music, art, etc. -
David Turell,
2009-02-13, 13:46
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Mark,
2009-02-13, 12:15
- X-Phi -
George Jelliss,
2009-03-13, 21:44
- X-Phi - dhw, 2009-03-14, 14:04
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dhw,
2009-02-13, 08:44