Natural Teleology: More Thomas Nagel (The limitations of science)

by David Turell , Thursday, February 07, 2013, 17:50 (4305 days ago) @ dhw


> Dhw: Our difficulties don't arise from arguments AGAINST anything. The problem is arguments FOR (chance, various forms of God, various forms of panpsychism). These are always a matter of faith, and I do not find one faith more reasonable than another.-I understand your position.
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> DAVID: God has various forms in various religions, usually anthropomorphic. And I feel worthless. 
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> dhw:I was genuinely shocked to read this, and cannot for the life of me understand why you should feel worthless. If that is what belief in God makes you feel, come and join me on my fence, where you will be treated with all the affection and respect you deserve!-I am not worthless. It is my poor inferential writing. Anthropomorphic gods are worthless.
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> Dhw: Since you believe that your version of God planned our universe with the express purpose of creating us, I wonder if you have any thoughts on why [God] might have created these gulping, spitting black holes all over the place, with matter appearing and disappearing all the time. It all seems rather higgledy-piggledy to me.-And it seems quite organized to me
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>dhw: What seems planned and designed to you seems higgledy-piggledy to me! If the laws of nature require a black hole at the centre of each galaxy, I don't see how that provides proof of a conscious designer. And I still wonder what might be the point of all this matter appearing and disappearing, and what it has to do with God's purpose, which you believe was to create us. -Remember matter and energy are two forms of the same thing. Each galaxy is the same, like different model cars coming off an assembly line. Globlar, eliptical or spiral. Looks designed to me.