A Scientists Approach to Creation (Origins)

by dhw, Saturday, January 19, 2013, 17:57 (4324 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: (I myself can't prove that the Earth goes round the sun. I simply accept it as a fact.) This makes us vulnerable, and if there is controversy, I think one has to keep an open mind.
 
DAVID: Sure you can. Why do we have seasons? We know the Earth is tilted because the sun arises and sets differently in different seasons.-Wouldn't we still have seasons if the sun went round a tilted, spinning, but not orbiting Earth? (Whatever your answer, I think I've proved my point!)-dhw: But the moment you bring in a designer, you are clobbered with a vast number of unresolved issues: 1) Where did the designer come from? 2) What reason(s) did it have for creating life? 3) What is its nature? 4) What does it want from us? 5) What are its future plans for us?
 
DAVID: Your trouble is that you are trying to anthropomorphize the First Cause. It can't be done with any sense of logic, because of our ignorance about it. Accept it as is. There is a first cause and we are here. Nuff said.-"Your trouble is" that you've missed the point, which is that chance is by far the simpler explanation. The passage you've quoted continued: "And arising from all these unresolved issues are millennia of disagreements, libraries of books and interpretations of books, vast institutions, conflicts on a massive scale" ... all of which demonstrate the ramifications of the design theory. I'm describing what has happened, not what you think should happen. My post continued:-dhw: Chance ends the debate. The universe is then a vast impersonal combination of mindless matter and energy, there is no purpose, and we are on our own.
Nuff said?-Re anthropomorphizing the First Cause: the moment you attribute purpose to his actions (as you have done with your insistence that man was the planned end product), you are anthropomorphizing him. And once you go down that line, I don't think it is humanly possible to stop yourself from wondering what that purpose might be.