Ch 16, A mad world (A mad world)

by hyjyljyj , Wednesday, December 12, 2012, 15:51 (4363 days ago) @ David Turell

David: Life was complex from the beginning. That is pre-planning....-This is a great point about complexity that is difficult for anyone with a scientific underpinning to discount, whether they agree that the complexity necessarily implies pre-planning or not. The scientifically trained mind is able to perceive unbridled and ever-increasing complexity the deeper they delve into the structure and function of living systems and inorganic molecular interactions; moreover, it is unable NOT to perceive it. You get slapped across the face with it on first glance into a microscope. Atheists love to apply a weird new definition to the word "complex" in order to state that life was not at all complex at the beginning and, in fact, isn't very impressive today. They remain singularly bored by the majestic magnificence of even a spider or amoeba, much less the unearthly marvel that is the human brain, seeing in it no evidence of intelligent design whatsoever. The brain that can design a wristwatch or rocket ship is so simple that it required no designer itself. It defies reason and common sense, IMHO, but there it is. -Such planning in ancient life requires a self-aware intelligence because it shows teleolgic planning. All I am saying is God knew what He was doing when He started life. Your approach is a chancy God, and makes no sense at all. Pre-planning is from the beginning so that evolution flows on its own after that. I doubt any tweaking was ever needed. Of course, I am assuming a perfect planner makes a perfect plan with a perfect result.-This is a good capsule summary of the underlying tenet of deistic evolution. It's especially attractive to deists because it removes the mythic "caring, personal, all-loving father" anthropomorphization, which so inflames the tissues in the logic, reason and common-sense areas of their brains. Things certainly do tidy up nicely once the simplest brushstroke is applied to the canvas, i.e., an infinte (eternal), primary causal intelligence is posited to exist, which had the foresight (pre-planning) to imbue the first living matter with enough primal intelligence/consciousness to start the chain of events leading to evolution of species according to natural selection, as Darwin expounded. The other side will of course step in and say you've presumed the truth of the premise by taking as a given that the designer is perfect, so of course anything he designs must therefore also be. I wouldn't know what to say in reply but, "Yeah? So? That's the hypothesis: everything is in the perfect order we observe in the universe, order which is in almost inconceivably flagrant violation of what we should expect given the law of entropy, because it was intelligently designed, and the designer of that universe and its laws is perfect."