Beginning this universe (Introduction)

by David Turell , Thursday, December 06, 2012, 14:22 (4179 days ago) @ dhw


> dhw: I am in no position to dispute the Big Bang theory ... I depend entirely on the experts! My point is that if nothing can come from nothing, we have a possible infinity and eternity of universes (individual cosmoses) before the Big Bang, and an infinity and eternity of possible combinations to give rise to life. This vastly shortens the odds against chance, but of course I am needling you because a deliberate, consciously planned beginning of some kind is so essential to your theism!-The 'possible infinity' phrase is the ahteist's out to save chance. We can only know our universe. Conguring up all the rest is just that, an invention to avoid using only what we can know, because that leads to a strong impression of design. Straw man magic! Please let us use what we see and learn as we exist in our universe, whose space time curves back on itself so even though it is expanding there is no edge we can reach, and certainly not see through to all your magical universes and cosmoses and bubbles.