Proving common descent (Introduction)
DAVID: The eyes have it. Genetic traces of opsin production show the descent pattern. First opsin without function, then functional, then all sorts of eyes:-http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204840504578086700901693588.html?mod=WSJ_...-Thank you for this article and your useful summary. Let's assume this is indeed what happened, i.e. "that vision was a single evolutionary innovation", and that all sorts of eyes then developed from the original prototype. Two questions: why, and how?-First why. If the initial mechanism was useful, what need was there for it to improve, let alone to vary? (Of course the same question can be asked about bacteria.)-"The common ancestor of ourselves and the placozoa duplicated a gene and changed one of the copies into a recognizable opsin." "The common ancestor of ourselves, insects and jellyfish made the change to light detection, then experienced two more duplications...to give the three kinds of light-sending opsins we still possess today."-How? "Duplicated and changed", "made the change", "experienced...". We're not talking of the same eye gradually improving because short-sighted oojahs were soon wiped out and only the best-sighted oojahs survived (= improvement by natural selection). We're talking about DIFFERENT eyes. Here's a suggestion (you are allowed to yawn): that innovation is caused by experimentation between cells/cell communities, and once a combination turns out to be functional and advantageous, further experimentation follows ... not by random mutation but by intercellular cooperation. The single innovation "is a discovery that would have surprised an earlier generation of evolutionary biologists, who contrasted the compound eye of the insect with the camera-like eye of human beings and imagined several parallel inventions."-I would suggest that both theories are correct: first the single invention, then later, parallel inventions ... all engineered in exactly the same way as A first invented the wheel, then B, C, D invented different combinations of wheels. Once we accept the innate intelligence of the mechanism (regardless of the ultimately all-important question of how it got there originally), everything else fits into place.
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2012-11-17, 15:02
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2012-11-15, 02:03
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2012-11-13, 20:40
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2012-11-12, 10:27
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2012-11-12, 14:35
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2012-11-12, 16:31
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2012-11-12, 14:35
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2012-11-10, 15:13
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dhw,
2012-11-10, 13:09
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2012-11-09, 18:23
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dhw,
2012-11-09, 12:16
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2012-11-07, 20:23
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dhw,
2012-11-07, 16:05
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2012-11-06, 18:26
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dhw,
2012-11-06, 18:11
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2012-11-05, 22:24
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dhw,
2012-11-05, 18:26
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2012-11-04, 19:40
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