Design not divine? (Origins)

by dhw, Thursday, September 27, 2012, 20:53 (4438 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: "We cannot conceive" is your view of things. But you agree nothing can come from nothing, then therefore there was always something. Our universe was designed for us, from all evidence. Only intelligence can create design. Therefore, first cause is intelligence. Simple logic.-I agree that there was always something, but your simple first cause logic only stops where you want it to stop. If we take the universe to be everything that has ever existed for all eternity (as opposed to our universe, which may have had a finite beginning if the big bang theory is correct), the atheistic argument is that we have an eternity and infinity of possible combinations, which eventually is bound to come up with what looks like design. First cause is therefore an impersonal but ever changing universe with infinite potential, so why invent an eternal intelligence when unconscious eternity and infinity can potentially come up with the same result?-I have no quarrel with your argument. I have no quarrel with their argument. We have absolutely no way of knowing which is correct, and without faith it is therefore impossible to give one explanation precedence over the other. Hence agnosticism. Simple logic.