Dark Matter & Intelligence (General)

by dhw, Monday, January 09, 2012, 14:52 (4510 days ago)

An article in yesterday’s Sunday Times announces: “Scientists find cosmic glue”, with the sub-heading: “Astronomers now think that threads of dark matter may be all that hold the universe together.”

The basic argument is: “The old idea of billions of galaxies floating in space with nothing but a void between them is being replaced by something much more complex, where galaxies form within filaments of dark matter that link them together in a vast cosmic ‘spider’s web’.”

Before I start to speculate, let me quote the conclusion: “Perhaps the biggest mystery concerning dark matter is what it consists of. The fact that it does not interact with light or, apparently, with any other known matter, suggests dark matter is composed of an entirely novel kind of particle. Unfortunately, despite the implication that billions of these particles must be passing through our bodies every minute, scientists have yet to detect one.”

Unfortunate indeed. It’s called “dark” matter because it's non-luminous, but we should always keep in mind that it’s also “dark” because nobody has a clue what it is, and its existence is a matter of inference and nothing else. There may be no such thing.

However, let’s suppose that there is. Under The Intelligent Cell, I drew attention to bacteria on the sea floor that are connected by “a network of microbial nanowires” which allow “communities of bacteria to act as one superorganism”. Each of us is also a superorganism (my wife might not agree!) linking together whole communities of cells. The actions of these communities suggest an intelligence that binds them together via a network of electric currents. This binding intelligence – which is difficult to separate from our identity – remains ours, and our bodies are tuned finely enough to go on functioning despite (or because of?) the process of cell death and renewal which continues throughout our life. The nature and source of this intelligence have so far proved impossible to define. They are “dark”.

There’s nothing new in the idea that the universe too might be a superorganism, but a superorganism has to be connected up, which is why this new theory of linking filaments gives us food for thought. The cosmic “cells” also undergo a continual process of death and renewal – over a vastly different time scale from ours, of course – but the universe continues to function in the mode that some folk call “fine tuning”. Dark matter might be the cosmic equivalent of the nanowires, while the unidentified “intelligence” that directs the bacteria and indeed all other living creatures, including ourselves, might also be the force that operates the interlinked universe. Eventually we die, and eventually – again over a vastly different time scale – maybe our own part of the universe will die, or the whole of our universe will die, but in the meantime, might not the microcosm be in the image of the macrocosm? Just speculating!...

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by David Turell @, Monday, January 09, 2012, 16:44 (4510 days ago) @ dhw

An article in yesterday’s Sunday Times announces: “Scientists find cosmic glue”, with the sub-heading: “Astronomers now think that threads of dark matter may be all that hold the universe together.”

The basic argument is: “The old idea of billions of galaxies floating in space with nothing but a void between them is being replaced by something much more complex, where galaxies form within filaments of dark matter that link them together in a vast cosmic ‘spider’s web’.”

Just speculating!...

Just remember quantum mechanics, spooky action at a distance, per Einstein. A pair of split sister particles keep track of each other across the universe instantaneously.

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by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Saturday, January 14, 2012, 00:41 (4505 days ago) @ David Turell

An article in yesterday’s Sunday Times announces: “Scientists find cosmic glue”, with the sub-heading: “Astronomers now think that threads of dark matter may be all that hold the universe together.”

The basic argument is: “The old idea of billions of galaxies floating in space with nothing but a void between them is being replaced by something much more complex, where galaxies form within filaments of dark matter that link them together in a vast cosmic ‘spider’s web’.”

Just speculating!...


Just remember quantum mechanics, spooky action at a distance, per Einstein. A pair of split sister particles keep track of each other across the universe instantaneously.

Just 2 years ago, entanglement was created at superheated temperatures:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v468/n7325/full/468769a.html

Unfortunately the temperatures they talk about are "big bang" hot, not at our current state. A question to ponder: How long can an entanglement last? (Yes... I know the answer...)

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by David Turell @, Saturday, January 14, 2012, 01:32 (4505 days ago) @ xeno6696

Unfortunately the temperatures they talk about are "big bang" hot, not at our current state. A question to ponder: How long can an entanglement last? (Yes... I know the answer...)

I would assume always

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by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Saturday, January 14, 2012, 22:04 (4505 days ago) @ David Turell

Unfortunately the temperatures they talk about are "big bang" hot, not at our current state. A question to ponder: How long can an entanglement last? (Yes... I know the answer...)


I would assume always

Entanglement lasts until "observation" where observation is when one particle undergoes an interaction with a different particle. (See Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.)

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

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by David Turell @, Saturday, January 14, 2012, 22:57 (4505 days ago) @ xeno6696

Unfortunately the temperatures they talk about are "big bang" hot, not at our current state. A question to ponder: How long can an entanglement last? (Yes... I know the answer...)


I would assume always


Entanglement lasts until "observation" where observation is when one particle undergoes an interaction with a different particle. (See Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.)

Fair enough

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by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Saturday, January 14, 2012, 23:23 (4505 days ago) @ David Turell

Unfortunately the temperatures they talk about are "big bang" hot, not at our current state. A question to ponder: How long can an entanglement last? (Yes... I know the answer...)


I would assume always


Entanglement lasts until "observation" where observation is when one particle undergoes an interaction with a different particle. (See Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.)


Fair enough

Ah. But the corollary is that we know that entanglement is only stable at extreme highs, and extreme lows.

Entanglement--barring some new observation--is not possible at the temperatures in which the human body operates.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

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by David Turell @, Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 19:02 (4501 days ago) @ David Turell

An article in yesterday’s Sunday Times announces: “Scientists find cosmic glue”, with the sub-heading: “Astronomers now think that threads of dark matter may be all that hold the universe together.”

The basic argument is: “The old idea of billions of galaxies floating in space with nothing but a void between them is being replaced by something much more complex, where galaxies form within filaments of dark matter that link them together in a vast cosmic ‘spider’s web’.”

Just speculating!...


Just remember quantum mechanics, spooky action at a distance, per Einstein. A pair of split sister particles keep track of each other across the universe instantaneously.

Lots of dark matter out there. Discovery of a galaxy that fits:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v481/n7381/full/nature10669.html?WT.ec_id=NATURE-2...

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by David Turell @, Tuesday, January 10, 2012, 15:06 (4509 days ago) @ dhw

An article in yesterday’s Sunday Times announces: “Scientists find cosmic glue”, with the sub-heading: “Astronomers now think that threads of dark matter may be all that hold the universe together.”

Here are more stories on the findings. the above comment is kind of silly journalese to make readers buy into the story. How about gravity for starters?

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-clearest-picture-dark-energy.html

http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-astronomers-universe-dark-unprecedented-scale.html

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by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Saturday, January 14, 2012, 00:39 (4505 days ago) @ dhw

An article in yesterday’s Sunday Times announces: “Scientists find cosmic glue”, with the sub-heading: “Astronomers now think that threads of dark matter may be all that hold the universe together.”

The basic argument is: “The old idea of billions of galaxies floating in space with nothing but a void between them is being replaced by something much more complex, where galaxies form within filaments of dark matter that link them together in a vast cosmic ‘spider’s web’.”

This isn't entirely true: The Higgs-Field is literally an invisible quantum pertubation that fills all "voids." There is no void in the cosmos. Not in any physical sense. Space is not "empty."

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There’s nothing new in the idea that the universe too might be a superorganism, but a superorganism has to be connected up, which is why this new theory of linking filaments gives us food for thought. The cosmic “cells” also undergo a continual process of death and renewal – over a vastly different time scale from ours, of course – but the universe continues to function in the mode that some folk call “fine tuning”. Dark matter might be the cosmic equivalent of the nanowires, while the unidentified “intelligence” that directs the bacteria and indeed all other living creatures, including ourselves, might also be the force that operates the interlinked universe. Eventually we die, and eventually – again over a vastly different time scale – maybe our own part of the universe will die, or the whole of our universe will die, but in the meantime, might not the microcosm be in the image of the macrocosm? Just speculating!...

But if we're all part of this universe... do we really truly "die?" I know its not what your point was. But if all things are linked in this vast cosmic network of dark-matter filaments... and the universe is all that is, and we're a part of it...

Then how do we ever truly "leave?" I'm not talking in the sense of a "soul" but that everything that makes me, me... doesn't really disappear. It just radically changes form.

As to your larger question, yes, usually patterns in nature seem to repeat. What's a little trickier... what constitutes a cosmic "cell?"

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

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by dhw, Sunday, January 15, 2012, 11:30 (4504 days ago) @ xeno6696

MATT: But if we're all part of this universe... do we really truly "die?" I know its not what your point was. But if all things are linked in this vast cosmic network of dark-matter filaments... and the universe is all that is, and we're a part of it...Then how do we ever truly "leave?" I'm not talking in the sense of a "soul" but that everything that makes me, me... doesn't really disappear. It just radically changes form.

I think we can all accept the argument that whatever we’re made of stays around in one form or another. The universe is one great recycling process. But as I said earlier, an afterlife as worm-food is not my idea of an afterlife. Perhaps more to the point is the question that we keep asking: whether anything can ever come out of nothing. For me the ex nihilo argument is beyond reason and imagination. An eternal recycling process makes more sense.

MATT: As to your larger question, yes, usually patterns in nature seem to repeat. What's a little trickier... what constitutes a cosmic "cell?"

I was trying to draw an analogy between the universe and the body. The cosmic cells would be the various material components such as stars and suns, which come and go in a constant process of death and renewal, like our own cells. Presiding over our body is our mind, and presiding over the universal body would be the universal mind (if it exists). Just an image, not a theory!

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by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Monday, January 16, 2012, 01:08 (4503 days ago) @ dhw

dhw,

I think we can all accept the argument that whatever we’re made of stays around in one form or another. The universe is one great recycling process. But as I said earlier, an afterlife as worm-food is not my idea of an afterlife. Perhaps more to the point is the question that we keep asking: whether anything can ever come out of nothing. For me the ex nihilo argument is beyond reason and imagination. An eternal recycling process makes more sense.

I agree here. But remember: recycling in plastics means that the plastic is melted down and reused... one bottle becomes part of many others.

I would tend to think that the same thing would happen to our &quot;souls,&quot; contrary to the ancient Hindu/Buddhist views... Especially if we are all temporary manifestations of some &quot;superconsciousness.&quot; <--My preferred idea for a deity.

MATT: As to your larger question, yes, usually patterns in nature seem to repeat. What&apos;s a little trickier... what constitutes a cosmic &quot;cell?&quot;

I was trying to draw an analogy between the universe and the body. The cosmic cells would be the various material components such as stars and suns, which come and go in a constant process of death and renewal, like our own cells. Presiding over our body is our mind, and presiding over the universal body would be the universal mind (if it exists). Just an image, not a theory!

Ah... but all theories are necessarily images... and all images are also necessarily theories: The difference is in the level of abstraction.

If Higgs-fields and dark matter truly inter-connect all islands of &quot;ordinary&quot; matter in the universe... it&apos;s extremely difficult to even attempt a discussion of what&apos;s on the other side of that field...

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

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