Scientist give Computers Schizophrenia... (Humans)

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Monday, May 09, 2011, 23:29 (4743 days ago)

http://web5.cns.utexas.edu/news/2011/05/scientists-afflict-computers/-In your backyard too, David!

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Scientist give Computers Schizophrenia...

by David Turell @, Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 02:22 (4743 days ago) @ xeno6696

http://web5.cns.utexas.edu/news/2011/05/scientists-afflict-computers/
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> In your backyard too, David!-My eldest daughter graduated UT with honors many years ago. She is now a tenured Ph.D. professor at a school in Pennsylvania, and a vice-provost.-Schizophrenics are weird enough as humans. Hard to think of a computeras having the illness.

Scientist give Computers Schizophrenia...

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 12:19 (4742 days ago) @ David Turell

http://web5.cns.utexas.edu/news/2011/05/scientists-afflict-computers/
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> > In your backyard too, David!
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> My eldest daughter graduated UT with honors many years ago. She is now a tenured Ph.D. professor at a school in Pennsylvania, and a vice-provost.
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> Schizophrenics are weird enough as humans. Hard to think of a computeras having the illness.-If there's essentially a mechanical explanation for schizophrenia, then structure clearly has a deep impact on consciousness.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

Scientist give Computers Schizophrenia...

by David Turell @, Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 14:39 (4742 days ago) @ xeno6696


> > Schizophrenics are weird enough as humans. Hard to think of a computers having the illness.
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> If there's essentially a mechanical explanation for schizophrenia, then structure clearly has a deep impact on consciousness.-I would have accepted that idea before the computer work. Schizes run in families. Many, if they take their meds, do quite well.

Scientist give Computers Schizophrenia...

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 15:06 (4742 days ago) @ David Turell


> > > Schizophrenics are weird enough as humans. Hard to think of a computers having the illness.
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> > If there's essentially a mechanical explanation for schizophrenia, then structure clearly has a deep impact on consciousness.
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> I would have accepted that idea before the computer work. Schizes run in families. Many, if they take their meds, do quite well.-I geuss I don't understand you here:chemical structure IS structure. Neural networks are incredibly dynamic, which is why they were chosen. If the mechanical process of memory storage is the root cause of schitzophrenia, then my comment should stand.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

Scientist give Computers Schizophrenia...

by David Turell @, Tuesday, May 10, 2011, 18:52 (4742 days ago) @ xeno6696


> > > > Schizophrenics are weird enough as humans. Hard to think of a computers having the illness.
> > > 
> > > If there's essentially a mechanical explanation for schizophrenia, then structure clearly has a deep impact on consciousness.
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> > I would have accepted that idea before the computer work. Schizes run in families. Many, if they take their meds, do quite well.
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> I geuss I don't understand you here:chemical structure IS structure. Neural networks are incredibly dynamic, which is why they were chosen. If the mechanical process of memory storage is the root cause of schitzophrenia, then my comment should stand.-You misunderstand. I agree with you. Brain structure must underlie schizophrenia. The psychopharmaceuticals can alter brain structure functionality. It is the resulting functional result that shrinks want when they treat their patients. Some abnormal neural connections create the psychosis, no question. Since much axonal networking is from a learning process, some familial schizes may have learned from the abnormal ideations in the family, as well as having aberrent conections in the brain. I've seen families that were living with a phychotic member and had no idea that person was psychotic, as the strange ideations came on very slowly. Like the frog in boiling water.-Structure must impact consciousness, as we see similar personalities and choices in identical twins reared apart. Yet consciousness is an emergent property of the brain, dependent, but perhaps somewhat independent. We don't know yet, and may never know. Phineas Gage comes to mind. More recent research has downplayed some of the wilder descriptions of Gage's changes, but there is no question that brain injury causes change. The father of a young girl I know has lost most of his frontal lobe to ALS and has been extremely cruel to her verbally as a result.

Scientist give Computers Schizophrenia...

by David Turell @, Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 15:21 (4741 days ago) @ xeno6696


> I geuss I don't understand you here:chemical structure IS structure. Neural networks are incredibly dynamic, which is why they were chosen. If the mechanical process of memory storage is the root cause of schitzophrenia, then my comment should stand.-Here is an article that recognizes your point, a protein that alters brain funtion:-http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-05-potential-schizophrenia.html

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