OOB revisited (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 16:37 (5312 days ago)

Out of the body sensations are slowly being explained at the level of brain area function. This is not a near-to-death explanation. Those experiences are very different. But the following study is fascinating:-http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427291.100-out-of-your-head-leaving-the-body-behind.html

OOB revisited

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:20 (5308 days ago) @ David Turell

Out of the body sensations are slowly being explained at the level of brain area function. This is not a near-to-death explanation. Those experiences are very different. But the following study is fascinating:
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> http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427291.100-out-of-your-head-leaving-the-body-be... reminds me of that research work done by a USAF doc. Some good mental explanations come out of that work. -This one... goes above and beyond that. A very worthwhile read.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

OOB revisited

by David Turell @, Saturday, October 17, 2009, 15:01 (5308 days ago) @ xeno6696

Out of the body sensations are slowly being explained at the level of brain area function. This is not a near-to-death explanation. Those experiences are very different. But the following study is fascinating:
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> > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427291.100-out-of-your-head-leaving-the-body-be... 
> This reminds me of that research work done by a USAF doc. Some good mental explanations come out of that work. 
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> This one... goes above and beyond that. A very worthwhile read.-Are you referring to Bernard Haisch? His book "The God Theory", 2006 uses quantum complimentarity and "posits the existence of an infinite timeless consciousness that, in religious terms, can be called 'One God'" In fact, God and we are the same.

OOB revisited

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 22:56 (5304 days ago) @ David Turell

Out of the body sensations are slowly being explained at the level of brain area function. This is not a near-to-death explanation. Those experiences are very different. But the following study is fascinating:
> > > 
> > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427291.100-out-of-your-head-leaving-the-body-be... > 
> > This reminds me of that research work done by a USAF doc. Some good mental explanations come out of that work. 
> > 
> > This one... goes above and beyond that. A very worthwhile read.
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> Are you referring to Bernard Haisch? His book "The God Theory", 2006 uses quantum complimentarity and "posits the existence of an infinite timeless consciousness that, in religious terms, can be called 'One God'" In fact, God and we are the same.-No: research done by a USAF doctor that recreated OOB's for pilots in training scenarios. The explanation provided is scientific, that our brains are always creating a model of the world around us, and when its processing moves out of alignment with the information it receives, humans receive a perceptual experience that stops being a 1:1 relationship with their surroundings. -I should take more care in how I use the term "explanation." I wouldn't consider Haisch's exposition to be an explanation in the strictest sense of the word. It communicates some level of finality that cannot exist in metaphysics.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

OOB revisited

by David Turell @, Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 17:33 (4933 days ago) @ David Turell

the current study of OOB and near death by Dr. Sam Parnia is reviewed in the WSJ:-http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304248704575574193494074922.html?KEYWORDS=Melinda+Beck

OOB revisited

by dhw, Saturday, October 30, 2010, 19:46 (4930 days ago) @ David Turell

David has referred us to Dr Sam Parnia's current study of OBEs and NDEs, but the results have not yet been published, so we shall have to wait a bit longer for his conclusions.-The article, however, mentions a study of 52 patients in Slovenia, of whom 21% reported NDEs. I've raised this question before (in Pim van Lommel's study only 41 out of 344 cardiac arrest patients had what he calls a core NDE), but I think it's worth raising again: if the argument is that consciousness and identity are NOT the product of the material brain, and we live on as "souls" after death, shouldn't this fact apply to all of us? In that case, why did 41 of the 52 patients not have NDEs? Are we to believe that 41 of the 52 have different structures of consciousness and identity from the other 11? We know that only a small minority of people (claim to) have psychic powers, but this phenomenon has nothing to do with psychic powers, as the patients are generally just ordinary folk with no previous psychic record. I remain open-minded on the subject, but I would like at least a theory as to why the majority of souls "black out" when the heart stops beating, whereas a few others go straight off to their tunnel of light.

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