Immunity in humans (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, November 20, 2013, 00:04 (3804 days ago)
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The human mechanism is amazing. The immune system cells build up a library of answers (antibodies) to all sorts of foreign attacks (infections)by altering their DNA as the person's life proceeds from childhood until death!-Surprise, the same method is present in bacteria. Evidence of pre-planning!-"By analyzing 12 different strains of B. burgdorferi, the team found evidence there's strong selective pressure for the bacteria to develop a diverse collection of unused cassettes that would give them more varied surface proteins. Evolution doesn't need to be able to see the future to do this, the team writes. Selection for such a trait could happen during active infections, when host immune systems kill off less evolvable B. burgdorferi, or through reproduction, if more evolvable B. burgdorferi are more likely to produce offspring with a variety of cassettes."-http://www.popsci.com/article/science/can-organisms-evolve-ability-evolve-The article's issue about 'evolving to evolve' is obviously this necessary mechanism to answer attacks.The authors should read the literature. I'll bet it is present as a necessary defense mechanism thoughout all organisms, and was present in the original cells at the start of life as a necessary defense mechanism. It is not evolving to evolve.

Immunity in humans

by David Turell @, Friday, October 21, 2016, 18:20 (2738 days ago) @ David Turell

The human mechanism is amazing. The immune system cells build up a library of answers (antibodies) to all sorts of foreign attacks (infections)by altering their DNA as the person's life proceeds from childhood until death! Here is a newly found mechanism of detection:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/10/161020141101.htm

"Our cells regularly break down proteins from our own bodies and from foreign bodies, such as viruses and bacteria. Small fragments of these proteins, called epitopes, are displayed on the surface of the cells like little flags so that the immune system can scan them. If they are recognised as foreign, the immune system will destroy the cell to prevent the spread of infection.

"In a new study, researchers have discovered that around one third of all the epitopes displayed for scanning by the immune system are a type known as 'spliced' epitopes. These spliced epitopes were thought to be rare, but the scientists have now identified thousands of them by developing a new method that allowed them to map the surface of cells and identify a myriad of previously unknown epitopes.

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"Prior to the new study, scientists thought that the machinery in a cell created signalling peptides by cutting fragments out of proteins in sequence, and displaying these in order on the surface of the cell. However, this cell machinery can also create 'spliced' peptides by cutting two fragments from different positions in the protein and then sticking them together out of order, creating a new sequence.

"Scientists knew about the existence of the spliced epitopes, but they were thought to be rare. The new study suggests that spliced epitopes actually make up a large proportion of signalling epitopes: they make up around a quarter of the overall number of epitopes, and account for 30-40 per cent of the diversity -- the number of different kinds of epitopes.

"These extra epitopes give the immune system more to scan, and more possibilities of detecting disease. However, as the spliced epitopes are mixed sequences, they also have the potential to overlap with the sequences of healthy signallers and be misidentified as harmful."

Comment: The complexity of the immune system defies any explanation that proposes chance development.

Immunity in humans and all animals: feedback loops

by David Turell @, Wednesday, October 26, 2016, 20:51 (2733 days ago) @ David Turell

This article demonstrates a feedback loop in controls of interferon, a major generalized antibody that offers excellent protection without being specific as many antibodies are:

http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2000117

Author summary:

"For more than a quarter century, we have known that STAT1 and STAT2 are essential for the classic host immune defense system against viral infections known as the type 1 interferon response. While STAT1 has since been assigned multiple additional roles, STAT2 is thought to function exclusively as the principal partner of STAT1 in the type 1 interferon system. However, patients and animals that are deficient in STAT2 show a surprisingly varied and sometimes subtle phenotype not fully accounted for by the known functions of this protein. Our investigations reveal an entirely novel facet of STAT2 action, namely as an innate inhibitor of STAT1 in its multiple biological roles. We identify the molecular mechanism of STAT1 inhibition and generate a novel biological tool with which we can dissociate STAT2’s activating and inhibitory effects on STAT1. We use this tool to show that STAT2 has major roles beyond antiviral protection, for example, in regulating cell proliferation and immune cell functions, as well as in killing intracellular parasites. These findings considerably expand our knowledge of STAT2 biology and necessitate a reassessment of regulatory mechanisms central to innate immunity and the therapeutic use of interferons.

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"The identification of STAT2 as another perpetual STAT1 inhibitor, in addition to SUMO, underscores the importance of constitutive signal-dampening mechanisms in STAT1 biology to avoid disease associated with STAT1 hyperactivity. However, STAT2 does not target the activation of STAT1, but the subsequent step, its nuclear import. This is a new cytokine modulation mechanism for a STAT protein, but one reminiscent of viral IFN evasion strategies, e.g., by Ebola virus VP24 protein. The results moreover provide an alternative interpretation for the functioning of the STAT1ẞ splice variant, which in lacking a transactivation domain is generally considered a STAT1 antagonist with an unclear biological role. In light of the findings reported here, it can be seen as a STAT2 quencher–through its N domain–and hence rather as a promoter of cytokines that signal via STAT1. Finally, the constitutive interactions between STAT2 and STAT1 are exceedingly tight, yet highly vulnerable to mutation of either STAT1 or STAT2 , suggesting strong evolutionary pressure in favor of heterodimerization. Counterintuitively, heterodimerization was dispensable for the assembly and the functioning of canonical ISGF3. It thus appears that the binding of STAT2 to STAT1 exists not because it supports the cytokine inducible activities of STAT2, but because it attenuates those of STAT1. (my bold)

Comment: Over reaction of immune mechanisms can cause autoimmune diseases, rheumatoid arthritis as one example. Interferons can be very powerful in their effects. The article shows a control mechanism in place. Note my bold above. The entire body is filled with this sort of controls for precise results in body functions, which are not fixed but constantly responding to changing situations.

Immunity in humans and all animals: feedback loops

by David Turell @, Monday, November 07, 2016, 19:42 (2721 days ago) @ David Turell

Another example of an immunity feedback loop involving the timed survival of activated T cells:

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-11-tick-tock-immune-cells.html

"An Australian research team has revealed that two internal 'clocks' control the immune cells enlisted to fight infection. This discovery upends previous theories on how immune responses are regulated.

"The team discovered that during an immune response the clocks allocate a certain amount of time in which the cells can divide, as well as prescribing the cells' lifespan. The finding sheds new light on how the body controls immune responses,

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"Immune T cells are programmed to recognise different microbes that may cause infection. When this happens responding T cells are 'activated', and increase in number by dividing. The number of cells formed and how long they live is tightly controlled to ensure the infection can be successfully fought and any excess immune cells are cleared out of the body.

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"Dr Heinzel said the team discovered activated T cells in an immune response are programmed to divide for a limited time. "We had previously shown the number of cells a 'parent' T cell produces is tightly regulated," she said. "The suspicion was the T cell 'knows' how many times it can divide. We were stunned to find this wasn't the case - the T cell is given an amount of time in which it can divide, like a clock running," she said. "Once this time is up, no more divisions can happen.

"'Intriguingly, as well as being allocated a certain amount of time in which to divide, early in an infection, we found T cells separately set their lifespan, how long they and their offspring live. After this time expires, the cells undergo apoptosis, a form of cell suicide," Dr Heinzel said.

"Professor Hodgkin said the team built on their discovery of the two-clock system by pinpointing a protein called Myc that acts as the cell division clock. "At the start of an immune response, responding T cells are allocated a certain amount of Myc," he said. "This diminishes over time, and once the cell runs out of Myc, time's up and division stops. The more Myc there is, the more time the cells have to divide.

"'We also showed the lifespan clock is controlled by a protein called Bcl-2 - when this time runs out the cells die, whether or not they've come to the end of their division clock," he said.

"Dr Heinzel said the research provided new insights into how complex immune responses are controlled, and the fine balance between normal cell division and cancerous cell growth. "The two clocks are an elegant way that our body governs how many responder cells are produced in an immune response, and how long they are retained," she said. "Small changes in each clock combined to substantially alter immune cell numbers."

Comment: A perfect example of a feedback loop. When a mechanism appears in evolution, to control it, the feedback loop has to appear at the same time. Only a saltation satisfies this requirement. It will take several mutations working together.

Immunity in humans and all animals: feedback loops

by David Turell @, Wednesday, April 19, 2017, 15:25 (2558 days ago) @ David Turell

What is described in this article about glutathione is probably another feedback loop in the immune system:

https://cosmosmagazine.com/biology/detox-molecule-triggers-t-cell-immune-response?utm_s...

"An antioxidant previously thought to be simply one of the body’s garbage collectors has been found to double as a critical switch for the immune system.

"Glutathione, a molecule known to remove harmful metabolic byproducts such as free radicals, also functions to power up the immune system’s frontline bug-killers – a type of white blood cell known as T-cells.

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"Understanding the complex factors that affect the activity of T-cells is a key target for immunology research around the globe. The cells, like any type of predator, represent a mixed blessing.

"In the best of circumstances they attack and defeat invading pathogens. In the worst, they attack the body itself.

“'If its innate defences are overactive,” says Brenner, “then they turn against the body. This is what happens in auto-immune diseases like multiple sclerosis or arthritis.

“'However if the defences are too weak, then infections cannot be handled, or body cells can proliferate uncontrolled and grow to form tumours, which can become life threatening.”

"Glutathione – which is catalysed by a gene known as Gclc – has previously been identified as playing an important role in tackling the byproducts of T-cell activity.

"When the body is free from infection, T-cells exist in a state of low-energy readiness, rather like a squad of commandos during peacetime. When pathogens invade, however, the T-cells spring into action, revving up their metabolisms as they do so.

"This increase in activity results in the production of potentially toxic waste – primarily free radicals and reactive oxygen species – and it is these that glutathione moves in to clean up. (my bold)

"Brenner’s team, however, identified a second role for the molecules. The research reveals that glutathione functions to trigger the T-cell activity in the first place, and is thus an important switch for the regulation of the immune system.

"The discovery provides a valuable insight into the development of auto-immune diseases, which are linked to malfunctions in T-cell activity."

Comment: Over a lifetime T cells build up a library of defenses in their DNA. They must have a signal chemical to activate them and having tied to cleanup after the battle is over makes perfect sense as a biological feedback loop control. It is a system that protects against oxidative damage from infection fighting. It must be developed intact, a saltation, to avoid damage secondary to immunity.

Immunity in humans: training T cells

by David Turell @, Wednesday, June 14, 2017, 00:23 (2502 days ago) @ David Turell

Newly formed T cells, a major part of the immune defense system have to undergo training to be effective!

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/06/170613120523.htm

"A healthy gut requires a molecule called gp96 to train the immune system to tolerate food and normal microbes, report researchers at the Medical University of South Carolina (MUSC). The study emphasizes the importance of gp96 in maintaining a balanced immune system in the gut.

"A healthy gut depends on a balance of inflammatory and tolerant T cells, which make up part of the adaptive immune system. In patients with colitis, inflammatory T cells in the lower intestines mistake the molecular structures of food or healthy gut bacteria for dangerous pathogens that must be destroyed. To determine how this happens, Bei Liu, M.D., associate professor in the MUSC Department of Microbiology and Immunology, considered the idea that these patients' adaptive immune systems might be poorly trained.

"T cells are trained by professional antigen-presenting cells (pAPCs) in the gut. pAPCs express toll-like receptors on their surfaces that recognize and trap molecular patterns called antigens on bacteria, food and our own cells. A pAPC that has trapped a specific antigen will travel to a lymph node and display that antigen to a naive, untrained T cell.

"The T cell then differentiates to a mature state and travels throughout the body to locate its antigen. Tolerogenic pAPCs train tolerant T cells to accept harmless antigens, while inflammatory pAPCs train inflammatory T cells to attack harmful antigens on microbes or molecules that may enter the gut.

"Liu and her team found that without gp96-a molecule inside most cells that helps Toll-like receptors and integrins fold and function properly-pAPCs in the gut were more inflammatory.

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"This is the first study to describe the roles of the molecular chaperone gp96 in maintaining gut homeostasis. Although this study offered proof that gp96 is required to prevent colitis, further study is needed to connect the loss of gp96 to the development of colitis in human patients. Yet this ubiquitous molecule may have a fundamental responsibility to maintain proper immune balance in the gut. In fact, gp96 is tasked with folding a number of proteins that immune cells need to function."

Comment: Another complex biological mechanism that cannot develop by chance mutations. Since dangerous bacteria have existed since the beginning of life, with the development of multicellular organisms with digestive systems, this defense mechanism had to be present. Complexity of this type demands a designer mind is behind its development. Why not God?

Immunity in humans: how T cells gain memory of infection

by David Turell @, Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 21:05 (2195 days ago) @ David Turell

Research is b eginning to unravel how memory occurs in effector T cells:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2018-04-immune-line-invaders-molecule.html

"Memory T cells are a critical element of our immune system's historical archive. To prevent repeat infections, these cells retain a record of germs they've fought before.

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"Researchers found a transcription factor protein called Runx3 puts dividing T cells on track to becoming memory T cells. This new insight may allow researchers to design drugs that improve immune responses to vaccines, Pipkin says. The discovery could also have implications for chronic diseases such as cancer, in which responding T cells sometimes become "exhausted" and unable to rally an effective defense.

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"Runx3's control of T cell differentiation is important because when our bodies fight off viruses and cancers—and our T cells burst into action—the vast majority tend to become effector cells. These effector cells are short-lived and do not persist once the infection resolves.
The amount of Runx3 has a deterministic effect on the outcome of the differentiation of the T cells, Pipkin says. Runx3 controls that burst of activity and ensures the cells are directed toward a different fate, that of memory T cells, which can live for decades.

"'This finding provides molecular evidence that the programming of memory is established very rapidly, and that it's kind of a push and pull to restrain the developing memory cells from differentiating into effector cells, which is a dead-end road," says Pipkin.

"The team studied what happened when Runx3 expression was partially suppressed using RNA interference. "All those experiments showed you lost the known precursors that give rise to memory T cells," Pipkin says. Conversely, cells with experimentally increased Runx3 produced more memory T cells.
Cells with increased Runx3 were also better at regenerating new rounds of memory cells than normal cells after repeated infections with lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus (LCMV) and Listeria monocytogenes. This indicated that Runx3 enhances memory T cell potential, Pipkin says.

"'Our work demonstrates that Runx3 turns down another transcription factor that commits the cells to becoming these terminal effector cells, and it slows down proliferation. That keeps the cells on a trajectory into the memory lineage."

"The new study also sheds light on the timeline when immune memory is established against an invader. Researchers found molecular evidence that the programming of memory T cells happens very rapidly after the immune system first encounters new threats. At this time, naïve CD8+ T cells must begin developing into specialists called cytotoxic T lymphocytes (CTL), that can kill infected or malignant cells. Pipkin's lab found that Runx3 coordinates the memory T cell differentiation program within the first few hours of infection.

"Pipkin and his colleagues discovered the critical role of Runx3 in T cell differentiation by challenging naïve T cells with an antibody signal that mimicked infection, and then mapping the areas of the newly exposed genome. This revealed that the locations on our chromosomes where Runx3 binds became receptive to binding immediately after infection, and before the first CD8+ T cell division. These regions were also receptive in fully developed memory T cells, but less so in the terminal effector cells."

Comment: The mechanism had to be present in the first vertebrates and perhaps pre-vertebrates. We know that bacteria and viruses make up a vast portion of the biomass on Earth and were here long before vertebrates appeared. The complex mechanism was certainly designed or evolution might not have continued beyond the earliest animals in the Cambrian Explosion.

Immunity in humans; protecting against overreaction

by David Turell @, Tuesday, November 01, 2016, 14:45 (2727 days ago) @ David Turell

When B cells are turned on to produce new antibodies, there is a control mechanism from neutrophils to control the reaction from overreaction:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/11/161101093250.htm

"It has long been known that a certain type of cell in the inherited immune system called a neutrophil plays an important part in wound healing and the early stages of the immune response. Through their studies on laboratory mice, the team from KI has now discovered that neutrophils have another crucial function in their interaction with B lymphocytes. What they found was a safety mechanism that prevents B lymphocytes from reacting to endogenous antigens.

"When an inflammation occurs in the body, the neutrophils cause the B lymphocytes in the spleen to start producing antibodies that retard an infection. At the same time, however, the neutrophils also communicate with a kind of immune cell called an NKT cell, instructing it to regulate the response to prevent over-reaction.

"It is known that SLE patients do not have as many NKT cells as other people, which could be a contributing factor to the failure of the body to regulate B lymphocytes.

"'Apart from our discovery being interesting in general terms of how the immune system works, it can also be very important for people with other autoimmune diseases," says Professor Karlsson. "We think that this mechanism could be used to regulate B lymphocytes in different morbid conditions and that it could be a way forward for stopping SLE.'"

Comment: SLE, systemic lupus erythematosus affects many parts of the body and can be fatal. More in woman by a rate of about seven to one. This is an excellent example of the automatic feedback loops that have to be present in complex biologic systems to maintain molecular reactions within proper controlled limits. If it isn't present from the beginning, controls would have to be developed in a step-wise fashion. Not likely as there would be damage or death before the controls developed. Saltation is the only way.

Immunity in humans; fungus protections are innate

by David Turell @, Tuesday, December 20, 2016, 00:30 (2678 days ago) @ David Turell

There is a variability in immune responses in humans. Some folks lack some innate compounds, or lose them with cancer therapy:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/12/161219134440.htm

"Fungal infections are a serious health risk. They can be harmful especially to patients whose immune system is compromised through illness or chemotherapy. Scientists have discovered an important mechanism in the body's defenses against fungi. The discovery explains, among other things, why people with certain genetic variations are more susceptible to fungal infections.

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"To fight pathogens such as viruses, bacteria and fungi, the body has a complex security system. The widespread notion of white blood cells operating as the "body police," tracking down and incapacitating invaders, falls far short of adequately describing how the immune system actually works. Before the body's defense response gets started, complex chains of biochemical reactions occur at the molecular level. The scientists studying a certain immune reaction are often not yet aware of all links in these chains.

"This is true, for example, in the case of the innate immune response to certain fungi studied by the team under Professor Jürgen Ruland, who holds the chair in Clinical Chemistry and Pathobiochemistry at TUM. It was known that the reaction began with protein elements known as C-type lectin receptors of blood and tissue cells recognizing certain molecules on fungus cells and triggering the chain reaction, also known as a signal pathway. It has also been known for some time that the protein CARD9 plays an important role in this chain. Only when CARD9 is present is it possible for the body to trigger an immune response that destroys the fungus cells.

"Jürgen Ruland and his team demonstrated that before CARD9 can perform its role in the chain, molecules known as Vav proteins must be active. Three of these proteins occur in the human body: Vav1, Vav2 and Vav3. If all three are deactivated, the body is particularly susceptible to fungus infections even if CARD9 is present. As signal molecules, the Vav proteins play a role in various processes, including immune responses. "Previously, however, the functions of the Vav proteins were understood mainly as part of the acquired or adaptive immune system. Their functions in the innate immune response, which is the focus of our work, remain largely unexplored," explains Dr. Susanne Roth, the first author of the study. As the name suggests, the acquired immune response means that the body learns to fight off certain substances only in the course of a person's life. By contrast, the substances resisted by the innate immune response are genetically determined before birth.

"The researchers were also able to use patient data to demonstrate the importance of Vav proteins for innate immunity: A certain genetic variation was disproportionately represented among a group of people suffering from candidiasis, a yeast infection. The variation causes the protein Vav3 to occur in a slightly modified form. It was the absence of Vav3 that had the strongest impact on the immune response in past experiments.

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"The immune mechanism discovered by the scientists and described in Cell Reports could also help in the targeted treatment of illnesses. "We can now develop strategies to directly influence the signal pathway," explains Ruland. "If we are able to switch it on by artificial means, this could be used for vaccinations, for example. We also assume that the immune response to fungal infections is not the only place where the Vav protein dependent innate immune mechanisms we have discovered play a role." The C-type lectin receptors that recognise fungus molecules also identify molecules on certain bacteria, viruses and parasites. It is therefore likely that immune responses are triggered in the same way in both cases."

Comment: This shows how complex the human immunity system is shown to be. This complexity is seen throughout all of the physiological mechanisms that run the human body. Not by chance.

Immunity in humans; long term immunity from plasma cells

by David Turell @, Tuesday, February 21, 2017, 21:45 (2614 days ago) @ David Turell

Plasma cells are specialized B cells which produce ling term immunity. It turns out they are supported by specialized T cells. If that support is withdrawn, they disappear:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-02-cells-long-lived-antibody-producing.html

"Using a specialized type of microscope that captures the movement and interaction of cells in living organisms, the scientists observed that, in the bone marrow, immune cells called regulatory T cells closely interact with plasma cells and support them. When the T cells aren't there, plasma cells vanish.

"'This interaction was completely unanticipated," said senior author Christopher A. Hunter, Mindy Halikman Heyer Distinguished Professor of Pathobiology and chair of the Department of Pathobiology at Penn Vet. "If we can understand what controls these long-lived plasma cells, then maybe we can augment that interaction, making more plasma cells to, for example, enhance vaccine efficiency.

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"The research team had noticed that regulatory T cells, which Hunter calls "the health and safety inspectors" of the immune system because they keep immune responses at the appropriate level, were located in a similar region of the bone marrow as the plasma cells, next to the blood vessels. And, when mice were exposed to an infection, these "T regs" declined precipitously, just as the plasma cells had.

"Together, these observations called to mind an earlier finding by another group of scientists that showed that T regs play a key role in protecting the bone marrow from inflammation. In other words, it suggested that T regs make the bone marrow an immune-privileged site, shielding its vital components from the potentially damaging effects of infection or immune response.

"Curious whether these T regs interacted with plasma cells, the researchers examined both cell types in mice that have T regs labeled with a green fluorescent marker and plasma cells labeled with a yellow one. They found that T regs appeared to be closely interacting with plasma cells for extended periods of time.

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"Further studies found that both of these cell types also interact with dendritic cells, which are thought to promote plasma-cell survival. The researchers also demonstrated that T regs were necessary to maintain plasma cells, showing that enhancing T reg survival in mice during infection increased plasma-cell numbers and that experimentally depleting T regs led to reductions in plasma cells.

"The work gives insight into how the body is able to sustain plasma cells for so long, ensuring that they will jump into action even years after a vaccine was administered or an earlier infection was conquered."

Comment: Since infection must be combated, it must be that life has had immune mechanisms from the beginning of life or life might not have survived. This complex cellular arrangement may well have been designed. Hard to argue it wasn't.

Immunity in humans; fetal development

by David Turell @, Thursday, June 15, 2017, 18:45 (2501 days ago) @ David Turell

The fetus develops dendritic immune cells in the second trimester:

http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/49663/title/Fetal-Immune-System-O...

"These cells likely function to suppress an immune reaction to cells from the mother, the researchers found.

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"The researchers found antigen-presenting cells, called dendritic cells, by 13 weeks of gestational age in fetal skin, spleen, thymus, and lungs. They showed in vitro that fetal dendritic cells were capable of responding to antigens from bacteria or viruses by activating T cells, just as adult dendritic cells did.

"When the research team cultured the fetal dendritic cells with adult cells of a different genome, though, they induced the differentiation of regulatory T cells, which are involved in immune tolerance. This result indicated that the dendritic cells might be tamping down the fetus’s reactions to exposure to its mother’s cells.

"Adult dendritic cells in similar culture conditions induced the differentiation of fewer regulatory T cells and more killer T cells. When the researchers co-cultured the fetal and adult dendritic cells, the fetal dendritic cells suppressed the ability of the adult dendritic cells to induce killer T cells.

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"While the authors found globally similar gene expression profiles in fetal and adult dendritic cells, they also identified differentially expressed genes in pathways related to T cell education, immune suppression, and more. The researchers attributed the immune-dampening capabilities to arginase-2, which was highly abundant in fetal dendritic cells, but not in adult dendritic cells. They showed that arginase-2 interfered with the ability of both adult and fetal T cells to produce the proinflammatory cytokine TNF-α, which plays a role in T cell activation.

“'There has been a growing appreciation that the fetal immune system is not—as was previously thought—immature or non-functional,” says McCune. “Instead, it’s actually something that’s very functional, but quite different from that found in the adult.”

"While the authors found globally similar gene expression profiles in fetal and adult dendritic cells, they also identified differentially expressed genes in pathways related to T cell education, immune suppression, and more. The researchers attributed the immune-dampening capabilities to arginase-2, which was highly abundant in fetal dendritic cells, but not in adult dendritic cells. They showed that arginase-2 interfered with the ability of both adult and fetal T cells to produce the proinflammatory cytokine TNF-α, which plays a role in T cell activation."

Comment: the placenta is not a perfect barrier, and the fetus can react to the Mother's antigens which are not the same as in the fetus. A reaction to the mother's blood type can cause a very jaundiced baby, which is treated by doing an exchange transfusion replacing 90% of the baby's blood. This type of immune system must have been in place when the placental/uterine birth system began. Not by chance!

Immunity in humans; Bad antibodies are really good

by David Turell @, Friday, April 20, 2018, 19:45 (2192 days ago) @ David Turell

There are antibodies, mainly in B cells, that can attack 'self', the host's body. These can be altered to be effective against invaders:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180412141052.htm

"In a world first, scientists from Sydney's Garvan Institute of Medical Research have revealed how a population of 'bad' antibodies in the immune system -- which are usually 'silenced' because they can harm the body -- can provide crucial protection against invading microbes. The research was carried out in mice.

"The 'bad' antibodies are known to react against the body's own tissues and can cause autoimmune disease. For this reason, it was once thought that they were discarded by the immune system or that they were made inactive in the long term. However, the new findings show for the first time that 'bad' antibodies go through a rapid 'redemption' process and are activated when the body is faced with a disease threat that other antibodies cannot tackle.

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"Campylobacter, HIV and others are particularly problematic targets for the immune system because they have evolved to appear almost identical to the body's own molecules; they are 'wolves in sheep's clothing'. This makes it difficult for the immune system to attack them, because it systematically avoids using antibodies that can attack 'self'.

"To understand how the immune system recognises these 'wolves in sheep's clothing', scientists from the Garvan Institute zeroed in on a mysterious army of immune cells in the bloodstream.

"The silenced cell army contains millions of immune cells known as B cells -- which produce antibodies to fight diseases. Unlike other B cells, though, the cells of this army pose a danger to the body. This is because they can make 'bad' antibodies, which can attack 'self' and cause autoimmune disease. For this reason, they are kept in a long-term silenced state (known as anergy).

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"Working with a sophisticated preclinical mouse model, which was developed at Garvan by Prof Rob Brink (Immunology Division) and his team, the researchers showed that the silenced cells can produce antibodies when they encounter an invader that appears highly similar to 'self'.

"Crucially, before the cells attack, the antibodies they make are first redeemed through tiny alterations to their DNA sequence. This ensures the antibody that each cell makes no longer attacks 'self', but rapidly becomes a 5000 times more potent weapon against the invading foreigner.

"Remarkably, in the model system tested, only three DNA changes were needed to transform antibodies from dangerous cells to effective weapons against disease: a first change to stop the antibody from binding to 'self', and a further two changes to increase their ability to specifically bind the invader.

"In experiments conducted at the Australian Synchrotron, the research team showed how the three DNA changes rearrange the tips of the antibody in defined ways, so that it becomes much better at recognising the foreign molecule and worse at recognising 'self'. In particular, the redeemed antibody fits neatly around a nanoscale 'dimple' that is present on the foreign molecule but is absent on self."

Comment: Certain infections use the trick of looking like 'self'. Here is a cleverly designed answer. This cannot be the result of chance. It fights very dangerous infections that kill. It had to be designed into the immune mechanism from the beginning.

Immunity system complexity

by David Turell @, Friday, February 15, 2019, 01:42 (1891 days ago) @ David Turell

The important role of B1 and B2 cells. They make antibodies differently :

https://phys.org/news/2019-02-b1-cells.html

"A new MDC study may resolve a decades-old debate in immunology. A team led by Professor Klaus Rajewsky reports in Science that distinct progenitor cells are not required for the development of B1 cells. Instead, the team's experiments show that B1-typical B-cell receptor can reprogram B2 cells into B1 cells, suggesting that B1 cells emerge as a consequence of their special B-cell receptors.

"In the fight against diseases, one thing is absolutely vital: B-cells. These particular cells, which belong to a class of white blood cells called lymphocytes, are the only cells in the immune system capable of making antibodies. The Y-shaped proteins latch onto foreign structures such as bacteria or viruses, thus marking them as intruders for elimination by phagocytes and other immune cells.

"There are two types of B cells. B2 cells, which make up the largest portion of the white blood cells in the body, mainly circulate in the blood and in the lymphoid organs such as the thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, and bone marrow. B1 cells, on the other hand, are mainly present in the peritoneal and pleural cavities, and hence in the areas around the intestinal tract and the lungs. They respond to a wide range of foreign proteins, called antigens, but also to some of the body's own antigens—and in a different manner than the highly specialized B2 cells.

"B1 cells constitute the majority of all B lymphocytes in newborns, but in adults the proportion of B1 cells drops to only a few percent. This is one of the reasons why B1 cells are considered carriers of natural immunity—i.e. the innate immune system—while B2 cells are mainly responsible for adaptive immunity, which emerges, for example, after an infection or a vaccination.

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"The new study, in which also other scientists from Rajewsky's group who were at the time in Cologne and Boston played a major role, now provides clear evidence for the validity of the second hypothesis. "We replaced the B-cell receptor in mature B2 cells with a B1-typical B-cell receptor, which is found in nature only on B1 cells," explains Graf.

"This procedure transformed the B2 cells into B1 cells. "We were able to show that the cells acquired the B1-typical surface markers," reports Graf. The manipulated B2 lymphocytes also took on the functional properties of B1 lymphocytes. "When we transplanted them into mice, they were homing to those parts of the body where B1 cells are naturally found," says the MDC researcher.

"In addition, the cells began to spontaneously produce antibodies. "That's also a typical feature of B1 cells," explains Graf. What's more, once the B1-typical receptor was expressed on the B2 lymphocytes, the cells started to multiply in great numbers over a period of one to two weeks. This strikingly resembles the natural development of B1 cells at early stages—a process that has barely been studied."

Comment: It has been shown that B2 cells actually develop a lifetime memory for new antibodies as they put that information into their DNA for any necessary future use. Note the B cells are placed in certain parts of the body and know where to put themselves No one knows how pumping heart circulatory systems evolved, but from work I've done in college on lobsters, they have a fluid the at washed around the cavities in their bodies and serve the same purpose. We ha ve a much more efficient system. It all reeks of purposeful design.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Monday, April 01, 2019, 20:04 (1846 days ago) @ David Turell

The surface detectors and the triggering mechanism are now known:

https://phys.org/news/2019-04-breakthrough-cell-immune.html

"For the first time ever, scientists have imaged the process by which an individual immune system molecule is switched on in response to a signal from the environment, leading to the critical discovery that the activation process involves hundreds of proteins suddenly coming together to form a linked network through a process known as a phase transition.

***

""This is something that happens inside a living cell during the process of the cell making a decision—signal transduction is what we call it—and it's how cells 'think' with chemical reactions," said study leader Jay Groves, (my bold)

***

"The team's revelation came about as part of the ongoing research by the Groves lab on the physical mechanisms of T cell signaling and the Ras protein. Found in all eukaryotic cells in multiple variations, Ras wears many hats, including acting as a regulator for cell growth, division, and death. T cells, the immune system cells that detect foreign and potentially harmful infections, use Ras as an on-off switch for the intruder alert pathway that launches a protective response. The T cell's ability to distinguish a real external signal—when a foreign molecule binds with the aptly named T-cell receptor (TCR) on the cell surface—from inadvertent contact with nearby proteins is critical for a functioning immune system. If a T cell accidentally reacts to one of our own molecules, then an autoimmune disease can develop. At the same time, if a T cell loses its sensitivity, then viruses will be able to grow unchecked and cancerous cells won't get cleared from the body.

"Due to the wide implications for human health, scientists have long wondered how the cells regulate their signals in order to achieve this balance. Past research had revealed that a T cell's Ras proteins don't interact directly with cell receptors. Instead, receptors send the "on" signal to internal intermediary proteins, including a key group of three proteins, known as LAT, Grb2, and SOS, that ultimately pass the signal to Ras.

***

"In the current study, the scientists used microscopy to watch the moment that a T cell receptor on a supported membrane microarray asked a single SOS molecule to activate. Instead of responding right away, SOS waited for 10 to 30 seconds before turning into its active state. If the nearby LAT and Grb2 molecules underwent the phase transition with SOS, and condensed into their assembled state, they could hold SOS on the membrane long enough for SOS to activate. Without the phase transition, the long delay in the SOS molecule would prevent it from activating before it left the receptor.

"'It's like the protein has a delay built into it," explained Groves. "It needs the phase transition combined with sustained signaling, and only then will it turn on.'"

Comment. Note the bold. The direct implication by the quoted scientist, is that cells 'think' with automatic molecular reactions that cause the proper necessary result, my point all along in these discussions. Since infections are a constant threat to life, living organisms could not have been brought into existence unless these immune mechanism were present from the beginning, by design. Please look at the complexity of the molecules structure shown on the website, which also makes as strong case for design. Cells do not think, but automatically react swiftly to all stimuli by their designed reactions of complex organic molecules.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Tuesday, April 02, 2019, 10:45 (1845 days ago) @ David Turell

QUOTES: For the first time ever, scientists have imaged the process by which an individual immune system molecule is switched on in response to a signal from the environment, leading to the critical discovery that the activation process involves hundreds of proteins suddenly coming together to form a linked network through a process known as a phase transition."

"This is something that happens inside a living cell during the process of the cell making a decision—signal transduction is what we call it—and it's how cells 'think' with chemical reactions," said study leader Jay Groves, (DAVID’s bold)

DAVID: Note the bold. The direct implication by the quoted scientist, is that cells 'think' with automatic molecular reactions that cause the proper necessary result, my point all along in these discussions. Since infections are a constant threat to life, living organisms could not have been brought into existence unless these immune mechanism were present from the beginning, by design. Please look at the complexity of the molecules structure shown on the website, which also makes as strong case for design. Cells do not think, but automatically react swiftly to all stimuli by their designed reactions of complex organic molecules.

I can’t find the word “automatic” anywhere in this article, but all thought – including our own – is accompanied by automatic molecular reactions, and indeed materialists claim that all thought is engendered by molecular actions and reactions. I have no doubt that once the cells have learned to combat particular infections, the responses will be automatic, but with each new infection, the mechanisms will have to take new decisions, which in turn will be passed on. I have no problem with the concept of design: whether or not the original mechanism (I propose cellular intelligence) was designed by your God, I would suggest that its subsequent evolution would have been the result of the cells learning to cope with an ever increasing number of infections – or in billions of cases not learning, since individual organisms and whole species die from disease, thus raising the question of why, in your hypothesis, your God created a mechanism which didn’t work half the time. Please remember, when stating so authoritatively that "cells do not think", that although you have every right to stick to this belief, you have now acknowledged that your rejection of “cellular intelligence” puts you in a scientific minority.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Tuesday, April 02, 2019, 14:57 (1845 days ago) @ dhw

QUOTES: For the first time ever, scientists have imaged the process by which an individual immune system molecule is switched on in response to a signal from the environment, leading to the critical discovery that the activation process involves hundreds of proteins suddenly coming together to form a linked network through a process known as a phase transition."[/b] (my bold)

"This is something that happens inside a living cell during the process of the cell making a decision—signal transduction is what we call it—and it's how cells 'think' with chemical reactions," said study leader Jay Groves, (DAVID’s bold)

DAVID: Note the bold. The direct implication by the quoted scientist, is that cells 'think' with automatic molecular reactions that cause the proper necessary result, my point all along in these discussions. Since infections are a constant threat to life, living organisms could not have been brought into existence unless these immune mechanism were present from the beginning, by design. Please look at the complexity of the molecules structure shown on the website, which also makes as strong case for design. Cells do not think, but automatically react swiftly to all stimuli by their designed reactions of complex organic molecules.

dhw: I can’t find the word “automatic” anywhere in this article, but all thought – including our own – is accompanied by automatic molecular reactions, and indeed materialists claim that all thought is engendered by molecular actions and reactions. I have no doubt that once the cells have learned to combat particular infections, the responses will be automatic, but with each new infection, the mechanisms will have to take new decisions, which in turn will be passed on. I have no problem with the concept of design: whether or not the original mechanism (I propose cellular intelligence) was designed by your God, I would suggest that its subsequent evolution would have been the result of the cells learning to cope with an ever increasing number of infections – or in billions of cases not learning, since individual organisms and whole species die from disease, thus raising the question of why, in your hypothesis, your God created a mechanism which didn’t work half the time. Please remember, when stating so authoritatively that "cells do not think", that although you have every right to stick to this belief, you have now acknowledged that your rejection of “cellular intelligence” puts you in a scientific minority.

The bolded section, by me, in the first quote doesn't have to say 'automatic' but that is what the statement describes!

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Wednesday, April 03, 2019, 12:57 (1844 days ago) @ David Turell

QUOTES: For the first time ever, scientists have imaged the process by which an individual immune system molecule is switched on in response to a signal from the environment, leading to the critical discovery that the activation process involves hundreds of proteins suddenly coming together to form a linked network through a process known as a phase transition."

"This is something that happens inside a living cell during the process of the cell making a decision—signal transduction is what we call it—and it's how cells 'think' with chemical reactions," said study leader Jay Groves. (DAVID’s bold)

DAVID: Note the bold. The direct implication by the quoted scientist, is that cells 'think' with automatic molecular reactions that cause the proper necessary result, my point all along in these discussions. Since infections are a constant threat to life, living organisms could not have been brought into existence unless these immune mechanism were present from the beginning, by design. Please look at the complexity of the molecules structure shown on the website, which also makes as strong case for design. Cells do not think, but automatically react swiftly to all stimuli by their designed reactions of complex organic molecules.

dhw: I can’t find the word “automatic” anywhere in this article, but all thought – including our own – is accompanied by automatic molecular reactions, and indeed materialists claim that all thought is engendered by molecular actions and reactions. I have no doubt that once the cells have learned to combat particular infections, the responses will be automatic, but with each new infection, the mechanisms will have to take new decisions, which in turn will be passed on. I have no problem with the concept of design: whether or not the original mechanism (I propose cellular intelligence) was designed by your God, I would suggest that its subsequent evolution would have been the result of the cells learning to cope with an ever increasing number of infections – or in billions of cases not learning, since individual organisms and whole species die from disease, thus raising the question of why, in your hypothesis, your God created a mechanism which didn’t work half the time. Please remember, when stating so authoritatively that "cells do not think", that although you have every right to stick to this belief, you have now acknowledged that your rejection of “cellular intelligence” puts you in a scientific minority.

DAVID: The bolded section, by me, in the first quote doesn't have to say 'automatic' but that is what the statement describes!

I have agreed at the very beginning of my response (now bolded) that all thought is accompanied by automatic molecular (re)actions. I’m afraid this really isn’t an answer to any of the points that I have raised, especially with regard to your would-be authoritative statement that “cells do not think”.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Wednesday, April 03, 2019, 17:52 (1844 days ago) @ dhw

QUOTES: For the first time ever, scientists have imaged the process by which an individual immune system molecule is switched on in response to a signal from the environment, leading to the critical discovery that the activation process involves hundreds of proteins suddenly coming together to form a linked network through a process known as a phase transition."

"This is something that happens inside a living cell during the process of the cell making a decision—signal transduction is what we call it—and it's how cells 'think' with chemical reactions," said study leader Jay Groves. (DAVID’s bold)

DAVID: Note the bold. The direct implication by the quoted scientist, is that cells 'think' with automatic molecular reactions that cause the proper necessary result, my point all along in these discussions. Since infections are a constant threat to life, living organisms could not have been brought into existence unless these immune mechanism were present from the beginning, by design. Please look at the complexity of the molecules structure shown on the website, which also makes as strong case for design. Cells do not think, but automatically react swiftly to all stimuli by their designed reactions of complex organic molecules.

dhw: I can’t find the word “automatic” anywhere in this article, but all thought – including our own – is accompanied by automatic molecular reactions, and indeed materialists claim that all thought is engendered by molecular actions and reactions. I have no doubt that once the cells have learned to combat particular infections, the responses will be automatic, but with each new infection, the mechanisms will have to take new decisions, which in turn will be passed on. I have no problem with the concept of design: whether or not the original mechanism (I propose cellular intelligence) was designed by your God, I would suggest that its subsequent evolution would have been the result of the cells learning to cope with an ever increasing number of infections – or in billions of cases not learning, since individual organisms and whole species die from disease, thus raising the question of why, in your hypothesis, your God created a mechanism which didn’t work half the time. Please remember, when stating so authoritatively that "cells do not think", that although you have every right to stick to this belief, you have now acknowledged that your rejection of “cellular intelligence” puts you in a scientific minority.

DAVID: The bolded section, by me, in the first quote doesn't have to say 'automatic' but that is what the statement describes!

dhw: I have agreed at the very beginning of my response (now bolded) that all thought is accompanied by automatic molecular (re)actions. I’m afraid this really isn’t an answer to any of the points that I have raised, especially with regard to your would-be authoritative statement that “cells do not think”.

That is not what Groves said. He specifically says cells thought process is the activation of chemical reactions. He does not discussing preceding thought. That is your pet theory, not supported by his quote.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Thursday, April 04, 2019, 12:21 (1843 days ago) @ David Turell

QUOTES: For the first time ever, scientists have imaged the process by which an individual immune system molecule is switched on in response to a signal from the environment, leading to the critical discovery that the activation process involves hundreds of proteins suddenly coming together to form a linked network through a process known as a phase transition."
"This is something that happens inside a living cell during the process of the cell making a decision—signal transduction is what we call it—and it's how cells 'think' with chemical reactions," said study leader Jay Groves.
(DAVID’s bold)

DAVID: Cells do not think, but automatically react swiftly to all stimuli by their designed reactions of complex organic molecules.

dhw: I can’t find the word “automatic” anywhere in this article, but all thought – including our own – is accompanied by automatic molecular reactions, and indeed materialists claim that all thought is engendered by molecular actions and reactions. […]

DAVID: The bolded section, by me, in the first quote doesn't have to say 'automatic' but that is what the statement describes!

dhw: I have agreed at the very beginning of my response (now bolded) that all thought is accompanied by automatic molecular (re)actions. I’m afraid this really isn’t an answer to any of the points that I have raised, especially with regard to your would-be authoritative statement that “cells do not think”.

DAVID: That is not what Groves said. He specifically says cells thought process is the activation of chemical reactions. He does not discussing preceding thought. That is your pet theory, not supported by his quote.

He actually says that cells ‘think’ with chemical reactions, but even if he were to say unequivocally as you do that “cells do not think”, I would not regard him as the ultimate authority, especially bearing in mind that the majority of scientists apparently disagree with you. In any case, it is you who constantly point out that there is no way of knowing for sure whether cells think or not (hence your 50/50), just as there is no way of knowing for sure whether human thought is the product or the driver of chemical (re)actions. However, if cells do not think, you can only fall back on your hypothesis of a 3.8-billion-year-old programme for immunity against every disease (although the programme fails to work whenever the organism dies), or your God dabbling whenever a new disease appears. I wonder if Groves would agree with that.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Thursday, April 04, 2019, 15:03 (1843 days ago) @ dhw

QUOTES: For the first time ever, scientists have imaged the process by which an individual immune system molecule is switched on in response to a signal from the environment, leading to the critical discovery that the activation process involves hundreds of proteins suddenly coming together to form a linked network through a process known as a phase transition."
"This is something that happens inside a living cell during the process of the cell making a decision—signal transduction is what we call it—and it's how cells 'think' with chemical reactions," said study leader Jay Groves.
(DAVID’s bold)

DAVID: Cells do not think, but automatically react swiftly to all stimuli by their designed reactions of complex organic molecules.

dhw: I can’t find the word “automatic” anywhere in this article, but all thought – including our own – is accompanied by automatic molecular reactions, and indeed materialists claim that all thought is engendered by molecular actions and reactions. […]

DAVID: The bolded section, by me, in the first quote doesn't have to say 'automatic' but that is what the statement describes!

dhw: I have agreed at the very beginning of my response (now bolded) that all thought is accompanied by automatic molecular (re)actions. I’m afraid this really isn’t an answer to any of the points that I have raised, especially with regard to your would-be authoritative statement that “cells do not think”.

DAVID: That is not what Groves said. He specifically says cells thought process is the activation of chemical reactions. He does not discussing preceding thought. That is your pet theory, not supported by his quote.

dhw: He actually says that cells ‘think’ with chemical reactions, but even if he were to say unequivocally as you do that “cells do not think”, I would not regard him as the ultimate authority, especially bearing in mind that the majority of scientists apparently disagree with you. In any case, it is you who constantly point out that there is no way of knowing for sure whether cells think or not (hence your 50/50), just as there is no way of knowing for sure whether human thought is the product or the driver of chemical (re)actions. However, if cells do not think, you can only fall back on your hypothesis of a 3.8-billion-year-old programme for immunity against every disease (although the programme fails to work whenever the organism dies), or your God dabbling whenever a new disease appears. I wonder if Groves would agree with that.

Thank you for returning to the original quote, in which he obviously used the word 'think' allegorically. How do you know how the 'majority of scientists' would interpret his statement? My guess is they would use my interpretation.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Friday, April 05, 2019, 09:27 (1842 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: He actually says that cells ‘think’ with chemical reactions, but even if he were to say unequivocally as you do that “cells do not think”, I would not regard him as the ultimate authority, especially bearing in mind that the majority of scientists apparently disagree with you. In any case, it is you who constantly point out that there is no way of knowing for sure whether cells think or not (hence your 50/50), just as there is no way of knowing for sure whether human thought is the product or the driver of chemical (re)actions. However, if cells do not think, you can only fall back on your hypothesis of a 3.8-billion-year-old programme for immunity against every disease (although the programme fails to work whenever the organism dies), or your God dabbling whenever a new disease appears. I wonder if Groves would agree with that.

DAVID: Thank you for returning to the original quote, in which he obviously used the word 'think' allegorically. How do you know how the 'majority of scientists' would interpret his statement? My guess is they would use my interpretation.

I am not talking about how they would interpret his statement! I am talking about your own authoritative declaration that “cells do not think”, and you have called on Groves’ statement to support you. By your own admission, your rejection of the concept of cellular intelligence puts you in a minority among the scientific community. That does not mean you are wrong, but even if Groves were to agree with you, and even if he were to embrace your belief in a divine 3.8-billion-year-old immunity programme for every disease in the history of life, or in divine dabbling with the cells of billions of organisms whenever the system he created throws up new diseases, I’m afraid your belief and his would still not give you the authority to inform us that “cells do not think”.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Friday, April 05, 2019, 15:24 (1842 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: He actually says that cells ‘think’ with chemical reactions, but even if he were to say unequivocally as you do that “cells do not think”, I would not regard him as the ultimate authority, especially bearing in mind that the majority of scientists apparently disagree with you. In any case, it is you who constantly point out that there is no way of knowing for sure whether cells think or not (hence your 50/50), just as there is no way of knowing for sure whether human thought is the product or the driver of chemical (re)actions. However, if cells do not think, you can only fall back on your hypothesis of a 3.8-billion-year-old programme for immunity against every disease (although the programme fails to work whenever the organism dies), or your God dabbling whenever a new disease appears. I wonder if Groves would agree with that.

DAVID: Thank you for returning to the original quote, in which he obviously used the word 'think' allegorically. How do you know how the 'majority of scientists' would interpret his statement? My guess is they would use my interpretation.

dhw: I am not talking about how they would interpret his statement! I am talking about your own authoritative declaration that “cells do not think”, and you have called on Groves’ statement to support you. By your own admission, your rejection of the concept of cellular intelligence puts you in a minority among the scientific community. That does not mean you are wrong, but even if Groves were to agree with you, and even if he were to embrace your belief in a divine 3.8-billion-year-old immunity programme for every disease in the history of life, or in divine dabbling with the cells of billions of organisms whenever the system he created throws up new diseases, I’m afraid your belief and his would still not give you the authority to inform us that “cells do not think”.

But I still can voice my opinion and believe in it .

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Saturday, April 06, 2019, 13:20 (1841 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Thank you for returning to the original quote, in which he obviously used the word 'think' allegorically. How do you know how the 'majority of scientists' would interpret his statement? My guess is they would use my interpretation.

dhw: I am not talking about how they would interpret his statement! I am talking about your own authoritative declaration that “cells do not think”, and you have called on Groves’ statement to support you. By your own admission, your rejection of the concept of cellular intelligence puts you in a minority among the scientific community. That does not mean you are wrong, but even if Groves were to agree with you, and even if he were to embrace your belief in a divine 3.8-billion-year-old immunity programme for every disease in the history of life, or in divine dabbling with the cells of billions of organisms whenever the system he created throws up new diseases, I’m afraid your belief and his would still not give you the authority to inform us that “cells do not think”.

DAVID: But I still can voice my opinion and believe in it.

Of course you can, but firstly opinions should not be stated as if they were facts, and secondly focusing on automatic behaviour does not explain how that behaviour arose in the first place, or how cell communities make decisions when new conditions demand new behaviour.

DAVID (under “Big brain evolution”): As far as cells are concerned we both recognize they act intelligently, which swell may be due to intelligent instructions from God.

“Intelligent instructions” means a 3.8-billion-year-old programme for every single undabbled cellular action in the history of life. I find that considerably less likely than cells acting with an intelligence given to them by your God.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Saturday, April 06, 2019, 19:51 (1841 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Saturday, April 06, 2019, 20:00

DAVID (under “Big brain evolution”): As far as cells are concerned we both recognize they act intelligently, which well may be due to intelligent instructions from God.

dhw: “Intelligent instructions” means a 3.8-billion-year-old programme for every single undabbled cellular action in the history of life. I find that considerably less likely than cells acting with an intelligence given to them by your God.

And yet there are new finding that show the programming:

https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1007995

"Abstract
Mutations drive evolution and were assumed to occur by chance: constantly, gradually, roughly uniformly in genomes, and without regard to environmental inputs, but this view is being revised by discoveries of molecular mechanisms of mutation in bacteria, now translated across the tree of life. These mechanisms reveal a picture of highly regulated mutagenesis, up-regulated temporally by stress responses and activated when cells/organisms are maladapted to their environments—when stressed—potentially accelerating adaptation. Mutation is also nonrandom in genomic space, with multiple simultaneous mutations falling in local clusters, which may allow concerted evolution—the multiple changes needed to adapt protein functions and protein machines encoded by linked genes. Molecular mechanisms of stress-inducible mutation change ideas about evolution and suggest different ways to model and address cancer development, infectious disease, and evolution generally."

And the analysis that implies programming:

https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/researchers-microbes-jeopardize-neo-darw...

"Interesting article, especially to note it as a challenge to the modern synthesis (though the actual details have been known for a while). The infographic showing how the different DNA polymerases mutate differently was really good.

What keeps on being left out is a discussion, quantitatively, of whether these mutations are targeted to potential future benefit. I can’t tell if that is being left out intentionally so as to quell the fears of the Darwinists, or if it is just un-studied, perhaps due to the lack of theoretical tools to do so.

"Also extremely aggravating is the nonsense evolutionary gloss given to these systems. “Therefore, mutation rates have, presumably, been finely tuned, apparently through second-order selection” and other such nonsense.

"Also endless appeals to how this isn’t really against the modern synthesis: – “Stress-induced mutation mechanisms, first discovered in bacteria, challenge historical assumptions about the constancy and uniformity of mutation but do not violate strict interpre- tations of the Modern Synthesis. Mutation is still viewed as probabilistic, not deterministic, but we argue that regulated mutagenesis mechanisms greatly increase the probability that the useful mutations will occur at the right time, thus increasing an organism’s ability to evolve and, possibly, in the right places. Assumptions about the constant, gradual, clock-like, and environmentally blind nature of mutation are ready for retirement”.

"Note how the fact that mutations are no longer considered “environmentally blind” was thrown in at the end, almost as if they were hoping that reviewers didn’t catch it."

Comment: Stress-induced mutation certainly points to underlying automatic mutational programs to create necessary responses. If you go to the article many different such automatic mutational responses are listed among different organisms. Nothing chance about these mutation mechanisms.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Sunday, April 07, 2019, 09:38 (1840 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: “Intelligent instructions” means a 3.8-billion-year-old programme for every single undabbled cellular action in the history of life. I find that considerably less likely than cells acting with an intelligence given to them by your God.

DAVID: And yet there are new findings that show the programming:
https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1007995

"Abstract
Mutations drive evolution and were assumed to occur by chance: constantly, gradually, roughly uniformly in genomes, and without regard to environmental inputs, but this view is being revised by discoveries of molecular mechanisms of mutation in bacteria, now translated across the tree of life. These mechanisms reveal a picture of highly regulated mutagenesis, up-regulated temporally by stress responses and activated when cells/organisms are maladapted to their environments—when stressed—potentially accelerating adaptation. Mutation is also nonrandom in genomic space, with multiple simultaneous mutations falling in local clusters, which may allow concerted evolution—the multiple changes needed to adapt protein functions and protein machines encoded by linked genes. Molecular mechanisms of stress-inducible mutation change ideas about evolution
[…]

This whole paragraph shows that cell communities respond to environmental conditions, and although it focuses only on adaptation, the implication quite clearly is that these non-random mechanisms may also be responsible for the major changes that result in evolution. The question for us is what regulates the mechanisms. You claim it is a divine 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme. I propose cellular intelligence. The “new findings” do not support or reject either hypothesis.

QUOTE: What keeps on being left out is a discussion, quantitatively, of whether these mutations are targeted to potential future benefit.

Why future? Stress-induced can only be a response to the present. And I would also argue that stress may not be the only outcome of environmental change. A new environment may offer new opportunities – but the mutations will still result from interaction with the environment, and will not take place in anticipation of future change.

DAVID: Stress-induced mutation certainly points to underlying automatic mutational programs to create necessary responses. If you go to the article many different such automatic mutational responses are listed among different organisms. Nothing chance about these mutation mechanisms.

The two articles and your final sentence show that the authors and you are still obsessed with disproving Darwin’s theory that random mutations (in a regular, gradual process) are the cause of evolutionary change. You and I have long since agreed that they are not. The theory of cellular intelligence is a counter to the chance theory. Intelligent action is not a matter of chance. You seem to think that by simply inserting the word “automatic” you disprove the theory that cells are intelligent. You don’t. Nor does the attack on chance go anywhere near supporting the theory that your God provided the very first cells with programmes for every single undabbled action in the history of life.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Sunday, April 07, 2019, 18:24 (1840 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: “Intelligent instructions” means a 3.8-billion-year-old programme for every single undabbled cellular action in the history of life. I find that considerably less likely than cells acting with an intelligence given to them by your God.

DAVID: And yet there are new findings that show the programming:
https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1007995

"Abstract
Mutations drive evolution and were assumed to occur by chance: constantly, gradually, roughly uniformly in genomes, and without regard to environmental inputs, but this view is being revised by discoveries of molecular mechanisms of mutation in bacteria, now translated across the tree of life. These mechanisms reveal a picture of highly regulated mutagenesis, up-regulated temporally by stress responses and activated when cells/organisms are maladapted to their environments—when stressed—potentially accelerating adaptation. Mutation is also nonrandom in genomic space, with multiple simultaneous mutations falling in local clusters, which may allow concerted evolution—the multiple changes needed to adapt protein functions and protein machines encoded by linked genes. Molecular mechanisms of stress-inducible mutation change ideas about evolution
[…]

dhw: This whole paragraph shows that cell communities respond to environmental conditions, and although it focuses only on adaptation, the implication quite clearly is that these non-random mechanisms may also be responsible for the major changes that result in evolution. The question for us is what regulates the mechanisms. You claim it is a divine 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme. I propose cellular intelligence. The “new findings” do not support or reject either hypothesis.

Where are cell communities in the paragraph? Bacteria are individuals in colonies , and are programmed to dictate necessary mutations, as if with purpose..


QUOTE: What keeps on being left out is a discussion, quantitatively, of whether these mutations are targeted to potential future benefit.

dhw: Why future? Stress-induced can only be a response to the present. And I would also argue that stress may not be the only outcome of environmental change. A new environment may offer new opportunities – but the mutations will still result from interaction with the environment, and will not take place in anticipation of future change.

We're back to the same argument about the possible presence of purpose and design


DAVID: Stress-induced mutation certainly points to underlying automatic mutational programs to create necessary responses. If you go to the article many different such automatic mutational responses are listed among different organisms. Nothing chance about these mutation mechanisms.

dhw: The two articles and your final sentence show that the authors and you are still obsessed with disproving Darwin’s theory that random mutations (in a regular, gradual process) are the cause of evolutionary change. You and I have long since agreed that they are not. The theory of cellular intelligence is a counter to the chance theory. Intelligent action is not a matter of chance. You seem to think that by simply inserting the word “automatic” you disprove the theory that cells are intelligent. You don’t. Nor does the attack on chance go anywhere near supporting the theory that your God provided the very first cells with programmes for every single undabbled action in the history of life.

The issue is how did bacteria develop the ability to self-mutate? The two possibilities are still chance or design. You've agreed to NO CHANCE, and imply self-improved bacteria with no idea how cells developed their own intelligence. Intelligence come with MIND or from MIND. Your hypothesis of magical cell intelligence, is just that, magical. So we are matched: supernatural God or supernatural cells. You know my unchanging choice.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Monday, April 08, 2019, 11:29 (1839 days ago) @ David Turell

"Abstract
Mutations drive evolution and were assumed to occur by chance: constantly, gradually, roughly uniformly in genomes, and without regard to environmental inputs, but this view is being revised by discoveries of molecular mechanisms of mutation in bacteria, now translated across the tree of life. These mechanisms reveal a picture of highly regulated mutagenesis, up-regulated temporally by stress responses and activated when cells/organisms are maladapted to their environments—when stressed—potentially accelerating adaptation. Mutation is also nonrandom in genomic space, with multiple simultaneous mutations falling in local clusters, which may allow concerted evolution—the multiple changes needed to adapt protein functions and protein machines encoded by linked genes. Molecular mechanisms of stress-inducible mutation change ideas about evolution
[…]

dhw: This whole paragraph shows that cell communities respond to environmental conditions, and although it focuses only on adaptation, the implication quite clearly is that these non-random mechanisms may also be responsible for the major changes that result in evolution. The question for us is what regulates the mechanisms. You claim it is a divine 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme. I propose cellular intelligence. The “new findings” do not support or reject either hypothesis.

DAVID: Where are cell communities in the paragraph? Bacteria are individuals in colonies , and are programmed to dictate necessary mutations, as if with purpose..

A colony is a community, and the above specifies that the process is “translated across the tree of life” when all “cells/organisms are maladapted to their environments”. I don’t know why you refuse to recognize that organisms consist of cell communities. It is your belief that they are programmed, whereas many scientists believe they work things out for themselves.

QUOTE: What keeps on being left out is a discussion, quantitatively, of whether these mutations are targeted to potential future benefit.

dhw: Why future? Stress-induced can only be a response to the present. And I would also argue that stress may not be the only outcome of environmental change. A new environment may offer new opportunities – but the mutations will still result from interaction with the environment, and will not take place in anticipation of future change.

DAVID: We're back to the same argument about the possible presence of purpose and design.

Of course there is purpose and design: in my hypothesis, the purpose is to adapt to or exploit new conditions in order to improve chances of survival, and the design is done by the cells/cell communities themselves with their possibly God-given intelligence. The question of your God’s purpose in setting it all up continues to be debated under “Big brain evolution”.

DAVID: Stress-induced mutation certainly points to underlying automatic mutational programs to create necessary responses.[…]. Nothing chance about these mutation mechanisms.

dhw: […] The theory of cellular intelligence is a counter to the chance theory. Intelligent action is not a matter of chance. You seem to think that by simply inserting the word “automatic” you disprove the theory that cells are intelligent. You don’t. Nor does the attack on chance go anywhere near supporting the theory that your God provided the very first cells with programmes for every single undabbled action in the history of life.

DAVID: The issue is how did bacteria develop the ability to self-mutate? The two possibilities are still chance or design. You've agreed to NO CHANCE, and imply self-improved bacteria with no idea how cells developed their own intelligence. Intelligence come with MIND or from MIND. Your hypothesis of magical cell intelligence, is just that, magical. So we are matched: supernatural God or supernatural cells. You know my unchanging choice.

The issue in this post is whether bacteria do their own designing using their (possibly God-given) intelligence, or your God provided the first cells with programmes to be passed on for every single mutation throughout the history of life. I really don’t know how often I have to repeat that my hypothesis of cellular intelligence leaves open the question of origin, but I usually append “possibly God-given”. Please stop changing the subject and setting up straw men!

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Monday, April 08, 2019, 15:06 (1839 days ago) @ dhw

"Abstract
Mutations drive evolution and were assumed to occur by chance: constantly, gradually, roughly uniformly in genomes, and without regard to environmental inputs, but this view is being revised by discoveries of molecular mechanisms of mutation in bacteria, now translated across the tree of life. These mechanisms reveal a picture of highly regulated mutagenesis, up-regulated temporally by stress responses and activated when cells/organisms are maladapted to their environments—when stressed—potentially accelerating adaptation. Mutation is also nonrandom in genomic space, with multiple simultaneous mutations falling in local clusters, which may allow concerted evolution—the multiple changes needed to adapt protein functions and protein machines encoded by linked genes. Molecular mechanisms of stress-inducible mutation change ideas about evolution
[…]

dhw: This whole paragraph shows that cell communities respond to environmental conditions, and although it focuses only on adaptation, the implication quite clearly is that these non-random mechanisms may also be responsible for the major changes that result in evolution. The question for us is what regulates the mechanisms. You claim it is a divine 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme. I propose cellular intelligence. The “new findings” do not support or reject either hypothesis.

DAVID: Where are cell communities in the paragraph? Bacteria are individuals in colonies , and are programmed to dictate necessary mutations, as if with purpose..

dhw: A colony is a community, and the above specifies that the process is “translated across the tree of life” when all “cells/organisms are maladapted to their environments”. I don’t know why you refuse to recognize that organisms consist of cell communities. It is your belief that they are programmed, whereas many scientists believe they work things out for themselves.

Just because bacteria live together, doesn't mean they cooperate. However there are special forms of amoeba that show great cooperation. It is a step up in evolution.


DAVID: We're back to the same argument about the possible presence of purpose and design.

dhw: Of course there is purpose and design: in my hypothesis, the purpose is to adapt to or exploit new conditions in order to improve chances of survival, and the design is done by the cells/cell communities themselves with their possibly God-given intelligence. The question of your God’s purpose in setting it all up continues to be debated under “Big brain evolution”.

I can accept God-given instructions, as usual.


DAVID: Stress-induced mutation certainly points to underlying automatic mutational programs to create necessary responses.[…]. Nothing chance about these mutation mechanisms.

dhw: […] The theory of cellular intelligence is a counter to the chance theory. Intelligent action is not a matter of chance. You seem to think that by simply inserting the word “automatic” you disprove the theory that cells are intelligent. You don’t. Nor does the attack on chance go anywhere near supporting the theory that your God provided the very first cells with programmes for every single undabbled action in the history of life.

DAVID: The issue is how did bacteria develop the ability to self-mutate? The two possibilities are still chance or design. You've agreed to NO CHANCE, and imply self-improved bacteria with no idea how cells developed their own intelligence. Intelligence come with MIND or from MIND. Your hypothesis of magical cell intelligence, is just that, magical. So we are matched: supernatural God or supernatural cells. You know my unchanging choice.

dhw: The issue in this post is whether bacteria do their own designing using their (possibly God-given) intelligence, or your God provided the first cells with programmes to be passed on for every single mutation throughout the history of life. I really don’t know how often I have to repeat that my hypothesis of cellular intelligence leaves open the question of origin, but I usually append “possibly God-given”. Please stop changing the subject and setting up straw men!

Not a straw man. You can postulate cell intelligence, but can't tell me where it came from. Intelligence requires Thinking and a mind.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Tuesday, April 09, 2019, 08:34 (1838 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Where are cell communities in the paragraph? Bacteria are individuals in colonies , and are programmed to dictate necessary mutations, as if with purpose..

dhw: A colony is a community, and the above specifies that the process is “translated across the tree of life” when all “cells/organisms are maladapted to their environments”. I don’t know why you refuse to recognize that organisms consist of cell communities. It is your belief that they are programmed, whereas many scientists believe they work things out for themselves.

DAVID: Just because bacteria live together, doesn't mean they cooperate. However there are special forms of amoeba that show great cooperation. It is a step up in evolution.

So different individual cells form a community (e.g. a biofilm), and we know that they communicate, and we know that they can play different roles within that community which can then perform feats which the individual bacterium cannot perform on its own, but according to you that doesn’t mean they cooperate.

DAVID: We're back to the same argument about the possible presence of purpose and design.

dhw: Of course there is purpose and design: in my hypothesis, the purpose is to adapt to or exploit new conditions in order to improve chances of survival, and the design is done by the cells/cell communities themselves with their possibly God-given intelligence. The question of your God’s purpose in setting it all up continues to be debated under “Big brain evolution”.

DAVID: I can accept God-given instructions, as usual.

You can believe in them if you wish, but that does not alter the fact that my hypothesis provides purpose and design.

DAVID: The issue is how did bacteria develop the ability to self-mutate?

dhw: The issue in this post is whether bacteria do their own designing using their (possibly God-given) intelligence, or your God provided the first cells with programmes to be passed on for every single mutation throughout the history of life. I really don’t know how often I have to repeat that my hypothesis of cellular intelligence leaves open the question of origin, but I usually append “possibly God-given”. Please stop changing the subject and setting up straw men!

DAVID: Not a straw man. You can postulate cell intelligence, but can't tell me where it came from. Intelligence requires Thinking and a mind.

Nobody can tell us where life came from, and no believer can tell us where his God came from. That is why we theorize. The fact that you believe God exists, and that he provided the first cells with programmes for every single undabbled life form, econiche etc. does not in any way invalidate the postulation of cellular intelligence. I agree that intelligence requires a form of thinking, but that does not mean the cell has to have a brain like ours.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Tuesday, April 09, 2019, 18:21 (1838 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Just because bacteria live together, doesn't mean they cooperate. However there are special forms of amoeba that show great cooperation. It is a step up in evolution.

dhw: So different individual cells form a community (e.g. a biofilm), and we know that they communicate, and we know that they can play different roles within that community which can then perform feats which the individual bacterium cannot perform on its own, but according to you that doesn’t mean they cooperate.

We know different bacteria in a biofilm do different functions based on their placement, but that is probably fully automatic, not bacterial knowing choice.


DAVID: We're back to the same argument about the possible presence of purpose and design.

dhw: Of course there is purpose and design: in my hypothesis, the purpose is to adapt to or exploit new conditions in order to improve chances of survival, and the design is done by the cells/cell communities themselves with their possibly God-given intelligence. The question of your God’s purpose in setting it all up continues to be debated under “Big brain evolution”.

DAVID: I can accept God-given instructions, as usual.

dhw: You can believe in them if you wish, but that does not alter the fact that my hypothesis provides purpose and design.

Once again you have cells designing with purpose with no evidence of how they might have thought.


DAVID: The issue is how did bacteria develop the ability to self-mutate?

dhw: The issue in this post is whether bacteria do their own designing using their (possibly God-given) intelligence, or your God provided the first cells with programmes to be passed on for every single mutation throughout the history of life. I really don’t know how often I have to repeat that my hypothesis of cellular intelligence leaves open the question of origin, but I usually append “possibly God-given”. Please stop changing the subject and setting up straw men!

DAVID: Not a straw man. You can postulate cell intelligence, but can't tell me where it came from. Intelligence requires Thinking and a mind.

dhw: Nobody can tell us where life came from, and no believer can tell us where his God came from. That is why we theorize. The fact that you believe God exists, and that he provided the first cells with programmes for every single undabbled life form, econiche etc. does not in any way invalidate the postulation of cellular intelligence. I agree that intelligence requires a form of thinking, but that does not mean the cell has to have a brain like ours.

Please tell us which organelle in a cell can possibly plan with thought?

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 13:13 (1837 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Just because bacteria live together, doesn't mean they cooperate. However there are special forms of amoeba that show great cooperation. It is a step up in evolution.

dhw: So different individual cells form a community (e.g. a biofilm), and we know that they communicate, and we know that they can play different roles within that community which can then perform feats which the individual bacterium cannot perform on its own, but according to you that doesn’t mean they cooperate.

DAVID: We know different bacteria in a biofilm do different functions based on their placement, but that is probably fully automatic, not bacterial knowing choice.

If they perform different functions within their community, and we know they communicate, how can you say they don't cooperate? You are now merely repeating your belief that their cooperation and communication were "probably" preprogrammed 3.8 billion years ago.

DAVID: We're back to the same argument about the possible presence of purpose and design.

dhw: Of course there is purpose and design: in my hypothesis, the purpose is to adapt to or exploit new conditions in order to improve chances of survival, and the design is done by the cells/cell communities themselves with their possibly God-given intelligence. The question of your God’s purpose in setting it all up continues to be debated under “Big brain evolution”.

DAVID: I can accept God-given instructions, as usual.

dhw: You can believe in them if you wish, but that does not alter the fact that my hypothesis provides purpose and design.

DAVID: Once again you have cells designing with purpose with no evidence of how they might have thought.

As usual you try to switch the argument. First it’s purpose and design, and when I answer that, you resort to the fact that we don’t know the source of thought. (See below.)

DAVID: [..] You can postulate cell intelligence, but can't tell me where it came from. Intelligence requires Thinking and a mind.

dhw: Nobody can tell us where life came from, and no believer can tell us where his God came from. That is why we theorize. The fact that you believe God exists, and that he provided the first cells with programmes for every single undabbled life form, econiche etc. does not in any way invalidate the postulation of cellular intelligence. I agree that intelligence requires a form of thinking, but that does not mean the cell has to have a brain like ours.

DAVID: Please tell us which organelle in a cell can possibly plan with thought?

If we knew that, there would be no debate. Please tell us which organelle in a cell contains the 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single action that it will ever perform.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Wednesday, April 10, 2019, 15:49 (1837 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: We know different bacteria in a biofilm do different functions based on their placement, but that is probably fully automatic, not bacterial knowing choice.

dhw: If they perform different functions within their community, and we know they communicate, how can you say they don't cooperate? You are now merely repeating your belief that their cooperation and communication were "probably" preprogrammed 3.8 billion years ago.

If they are programmed to cooperate of course that is what happens. You want them to independently act.


DAVID: Once again you have cells designing with purpose with no evidence of how they might have thought.

dhw: As usual you try to switch the argument. First it’s purpose and design, and when I answer that, you resort to the fact that we don’t know the source of thought. (See below.)

DAVID: [..] You can postulate cell intelligence, but can't tell me where it came from. Intelligence requires Thinking and a mind.

dhw: Nobody can tell us where life came from, and no believer can tell us where his God came from. That is why we theorize. The fact that you believe God exists, and that he provided the first cells with programmes for every single undabbled life form, econiche etc. does not in any way invalidate the postulation of cellular intelligence. I agree that intelligence requires a form of thinking, but that does not mean the cell has to have a brain like ours.

DAVID: Please tell us which organelle in a cell can possibly plan with thought?

dhw: If we knew that, there would be no debate. Please tell us which organelle in a cell contains the 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single action that it will ever perform.

Simple. The genome.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Thursday, April 11, 2019, 12:18 (1836 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: We know different bacteria in a biofilm do different functions based on their placement, but that is probably fully automatic, not bacterial knowing choice.

dhw: If they perform different functions within their community, and we know they communicate, how can you say they don't cooperate? You are now merely repeating your belief that their cooperation and communication were "probably" preprogrammed 3.8 billion years ago.

DAVID: If they are programmed to cooperate of course that is what happens. You want them to independently act.

I don’t “want” them to do anything. I am merely proposing - apparently in common with the majority of modern scientists - that bacteria are intelligent organisms which are capable of acting independently and of cooperating together.

DAVID: Please tell us which organelle in a cell can possibly plan with thought?

dhw: If we knew that, there would be no debate. Please tell us which organelle in a cell contains the 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single action that it will ever perform.

DAVID: Simple. The genome.

Then we can all look forward to the day when a Davidian disciple cried “Eureka!” having at last discovered in the genome God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single cellular action that has ever been performed, plus every action that will be performed in the future.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Thursday, April 11, 2019, 14:32 (1836 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: We know different bacteria in a biofilm do different functions based on their placement, but that is probably fully automatic, not bacterial knowing choice.

dhw: If they perform different functions within their community, and we know they communicate, how can you say they don't cooperate? You are now merely repeating your belief that their cooperation and communication were "probably" preprogrammed 3.8 billion years ago.

DAVID: If they are programmed to cooperate of course that is what happens. You want them to independently act.

I don’t “want” them to do anything. I am merely proposing - apparently in common with the majority of modern scientists - that bacteria are intelligent organisms which are capable of acting independently and of cooperating together.

DAVID: Please tell us which organelle in a cell can possibly plan with thought?

dhw: If we knew that, there would be no debate. Please tell us which organelle in a cell contains the 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single action that it will ever perform.

DAVID: Simple. The genome.

dhw: Then we can all look forward to the day when a Davidian disciple cried “Eureka!” having at last discovered in the genome God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single cellular action that has ever been performed, plus every action that will be performed in the future.

Or God dabbles. I'm still reading Behe's new book. He finds broken genes that cause new developments and quotes Darwin scientists who agree and then make excuses to protect Darwin gospel.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Friday, April 12, 2019, 11:12 (1835 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Please tell us which organelle in a cell can possibly plan with thought?

dhw: If we knew that, there would be no debate. Please tell us which organelle in a cell contains the 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single action that it will ever perform.

DAVID: Simple. The genome.

dhw: Then we can all look forward to the day when a Davidian disciple cried “Eureka!” having at last discovered in the genome God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single cellular action that has ever been performed, plus every action that will be performed in the future.

DAVID: Or God dabbles. I'm still reading Behe's new book. He finds broken genes that cause new developments and quotes Darwin scientists who agree and then make excuses to protect Darwin gospel.

You were suggesting that my hypothesis is invalid because nobody has found the material source of cellular intelligence. Nobody has found your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all bacterial actions (plus the whole of evolution). If my proposal is out, so is yours. Your alternative appears to be that your dabbling God is always on the spot, permanently doing all the thinking for every individual bacterium in every individual situation from the beginning until the end of time. Doesn't that stretch even your credulity?

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Friday, April 12, 2019, 15:08 (1835 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Please tell us which organelle in a cell can possibly plan with thought?

dhw: If we knew that, there would be no debate. Please tell us which organelle in a cell contains the 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single action that it will ever perform.

DAVID: Simple. The genome.

dhw: Then we can all look forward to the day when a Davidian disciple cried “Eureka!” having at last discovered in the genome God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single cellular action that has ever been performed, plus every action that will be performed in the future.

DAVID: Or God dabbles. I'm still reading Behe's new book. He finds broken genes that cause new developments and quotes Darwin scientists who agree and then make excuses to protect Darwin gospel.

dhw: You were suggesting that my hypothesis is invalid because nobody has found the material source of cellular intelligence. Nobody has found your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all bacterial actions (plus the whole of evolution). If my proposal is out, so is yours. Your alternative appears to be that your dabbling God is always on the spot, permanently doing all the thinking for every individual bacterium in every individual situation from the beginning until the end of time. Doesn't that stretch even your credulity?

God does not have to be at the beck and call of each bacterium, if He simply implanted intelligent instructions for proper responses to stimuli in the genome.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Saturday, April 13, 2019, 11:15 (1834 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: You were suggesting that my hypothesis is invalid because nobody has found the material source of cellular intelligence. Nobody has found your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all bacterial actions (plus the whole of evolution). If my proposal is out, so is yours. Your alternative appears to be that your dabbling God is always on the spot, permanently doing all the thinking for every individual bacterium in every individual situation from the beginning until the end of time. Doesn't that stretch even your credulity?

DAVID: God does not have to be at the beck and call of each bacterium, if He simply implanted intelligent instructions for proper responses to stimuli in the genome.

Your “intelligent instructions” would be your 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single new action. The alternative would be for him to pop in with new instructions whenever new conditions arose. Nobody has yet discovered the computer programme, and popping in is your dabbling. What would he dabble with if not the genome of each bacterium? Or does dabbling mean him saying “All change, everybody!" and suddenly every bacterium’s genome automatically makes the necessary adjustments?

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Saturday, April 13, 2019, 21:29 (1834 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You were suggesting that my hypothesis is invalid because nobody has found the material source of cellular intelligence. Nobody has found your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all bacterial actions (plus the whole of evolution). If my proposal is out, so is yours. Your alternative appears to be that your dabbling God is always on the spot, permanently doing all the thinking for every individual bacterium in every individual situation from the beginning until the end of time. Doesn't that stretch even your credulity?

DAVID: God does not have to be at the beck and call of each bacterium, if He simply implanted intelligent instructions for proper responses to stimuli in the genome.

dhw: Your “intelligent instructions” would be your 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single new action. The alternative would be for him to pop in with new instructions whenever new conditions arose. Nobody has yet discovered the computer programme, and popping in is your dabbling. What would he dabble with if not the genome of each bacterium? Or does dabbling mean him saying “All change, everybody!" and suddenly every bacterium’s genome automatically makes the necessary adjustments?

We both can only propose and guess, me from my automaticity viewpoint and you from a mysterious intelligence that somehow popped up from nowhere.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Sunday, April 14, 2019, 11:14 (1833 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: You were suggesting that my hypothesis is invalid because nobody has found the material source of cellular intelligence. Nobody has found your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all bacterial actions (plus the whole of evolution). If my proposal is out, so is yours. Your alternative appears to be that your dabbling God is always on the spot, permanently doing all the thinking for every individual bacterium in every individual situation from the beginning until the end of time. Doesn't that stretch even your credulity?

DAVID: God does not have to be at the beck and call of each bacterium, if He simply implanted intelligent instructions for proper responses to stimuli in the genome.

dhw: Your “intelligent instructions” would be your 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single new action. The alternative would be for him to pop in with new instructions whenever new conditions arose. Nobody has yet discovered the computer programme, and popping in is your dabbling. What would he dabble with if not the genome of each bacterium? Or does dabbling mean him saying “All change, everybody!" and suddenly every bacterium’s genome automatically makes the necessary adjustments?

DAVID: We both can only propose and guess, me from my automaticity viewpoint and you from a mysterious intelligence that somehow popped up from nowhere.

You are refusing to consider the implications of your two methods of creating automaticity: your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme or personal dabbling (as described above) for every single bacterial action throughout life’s history. This stretches my credulity way beyond its limits. The source of my “mysterious” and still hypothetical cellular intelligence is unknown, and so I have always allowed for it to be your God, who himself is a mysterious intelligence that somehow popped up from nowhere or, even more mysteriously, has simply been there for ever and ever.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Sunday, April 14, 2019, 15:26 (1833 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You were suggesting that my hypothesis is invalid because nobody has found the material source of cellular intelligence. Nobody has found your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all bacterial actions (plus the whole of evolution). If my proposal is out, so is yours. Your alternative appears to be that your dabbling God is always on the spot, permanently doing all the thinking for every individual bacterium in every individual situation from the beginning until the end of time. Doesn't that stretch even your credulity?

DAVID: God does not have to be at the beck and call of each bacterium, if He simply implanted intelligent instructions for proper responses to stimuli in the genome.

dhw: Your “intelligent instructions” would be your 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for every single new action. The alternative would be for him to pop in with new instructions whenever new conditions arose. Nobody has yet discovered the computer programme, and popping in is your dabbling. What would he dabble with if not the genome of each bacterium? Or does dabbling mean him saying “All change, everybody!" and suddenly every bacterium’s genome automatically makes the necessary adjustments?

DAVID: We both can only propose and guess, me from my automaticity viewpoint and you from a mysterious intelligence that somehow popped up from nowhere.

dhw: You are refusing to consider the implications of your two methods of creating automaticity: your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme or personal dabbling (as described above) for every single bacterial action throughout life’s history. This stretches my credulity way beyond its limits. The source of my “mysterious” and still hypothetical cellular intelligence is unknown, and so I have always allowed for it to be your God, who himself is a mysterious intelligence that somehow popped up from nowhere or, even more mysteriously, has simply been there for ever and ever.

I find your credulity very limited: you don't trust chance to achieve our reality and recognize the importance of design, but then deny the need for a designer! The only choices are chance or design. Since you cannot find a third way, you then sweetly refer to 'my God' to make yourself appear neutral in our discussions. It is patently obvious that 'mind' is required to explain this reality. The chasm awaits!

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by dhw, Monday, April 15, 2019, 11:28 (1832 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: We both can only propose and guess, me from my automaticity viewpoint and you from a mysterious intelligence that somehow popped up from nowhere.

dhw: You are refusing to consider the implications of your two methods of creating automaticity: your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme or personal dabbling (as described above) for every single bacterial action throughout life’s history. This stretches my credulity way beyond its limits. The source of my “mysterious” and still hypothetical cellular intelligence is unknown, and so I have always allowed for it to be your God, who himself is a mysterious intelligence that somehow popped up from nowhere or, even more mysteriously, has simply been there for ever and ever.

DAVID: I find your credulity very limited: you don't trust chance to achieve our reality and recognize the importance of design, but then deny the need for a designer! The only choices are chance or design. Since you cannot find a third way, you then sweetly refer to 'my God' to make yourself appear neutral in our discussions. It is patently obvious that 'mind' is required to explain this reality. The chasm awaits!

We are not discussing whether God exists or not. We are discussing the feasibility of your hypothesis concerning the workings of evolution, and in particular your rigid belief in cellular automaticity. My credulity is stretched by the idea that your God either preprogrammed or dabbled every single bacterial action throughout history. I find it far more believable that he would have given them the means to decide on their own actions. As far as God’s existence is concerned, you know perfectly well that while accepting your argument for design and a designer, I still find it impossible to replace one mystery with another. A hidden, unknowable, universal mind that never came from anywhere but has always been there is as difficult for me to believe in as it is to believe in chance as the creator of all life’s complexities. Yes, I am neutral. Now please tell us: do you really believe that your God preprogrammed or dabbled every single bacterial action throughout the history of life?

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Monday, April 15, 2019, 15:26 (1832 days ago) @ dhw
edited by David Turell, Monday, April 15, 2019, 15:40

DAVID: We both can only propose and guess, me from my automaticity viewpoint and you from a mysterious intelligence that somehow popped up from nowhere.

dhw: You are refusing to consider the implications of your two methods of creating automaticity: your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme or personal dabbling (as described above) for every single bacterial action throughout life’s history. This stretches my credulity way beyond its limits. The source of my “mysterious” and still hypothetical cellular intelligence is unknown, and so I have always allowed for it to be your God, who himself is a mysterious intelligence that somehow popped up from nowhere or, even more mysteriously, has simply been there for ever and ever.

DAVID: I find your credulity very limited: you don't trust chance to achieve our reality and recognize the importance of design, but then deny the need for a designer! The only choices are chance or design. Since you cannot find a third way, you then sweetly refer to 'my God' to make yourself appear neutral in our discussions. It is patently obvious that 'mind' is required to explain this reality. The chasm awaits!

dhw: We are not discussing whether God exists or not. We are discussing the feasibility of your hypothesis concerning the workings of evolution, and in particular your rigid belief in cellular automaticity. My credulity is stretched by the idea that your God either preprogrammed or dabbled every single bacterial action throughout history. I find it far more believable that he would have given them the means to decide on their own actions. As far as God’s existence is concerned, you know perfectly well that while accepting your argument for design and a designer, I still find it impossible to replace one mystery with another. A hidden, unknowable, universal mind that never came from anywhere but has always been there is as difficult for me to believe in as it is to believe in chance as the creator of all life’s complexities. Yes, I am neutral. Now please tell us: do you really believe that your God preprogrammed or dabbled every single bacterial action throughout the history of life?

You brought up the stretch in your credulity, as to whether God exists. So He is always an issue. My point is simpler than your question. I believe God is in charge of evolution and guides its development to achieve His goals. Pre-programming and dabbling are my suggestions as to how it might be accomplished. They are not at the level of belief.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Sunday, May 05, 2019, 20:29 (1812 days ago) @ David Turell

Appears it is a matter of time interval:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190503100812.htm

"A team led by the Freiburg biologists Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Schamel and Prof. Dr. Wilfried Weber conducted an experiment in which they controlled the duration of the interaction of a specific protein with T cells, a type of white blood cells, thereby showing how the immune system differentiates between self and non-self molecules.

"The function of the immune system is to distinguish between the body's own cells and pathogens. To protect the body from disease, it must recognize and attack these pathogens without damaging its own cells. T cells are an important cell type of the immune system that have a central role in this process. Via their T cell receptor, they bind not only to non-self, pathogen molecules but also to their own, non-pathogenic molecules.

"Exactly how T cells differentiate between self and non-self molecules is a central question in immunology. Since 1995, it has been assumed that the T cell measures how long the molecule interacts with the receptor. If a molecule binds for a long time, it is classified as a pathogen; if it binds briefly, it is self. Because it has not yet been possible to experimentally control the duration of the binding, this hypothesis could until now neither be confirmed nor refuted.

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"The Freiburg experiments supports the theory that T cells distinguish self and non-self, pathogenic molecules on the basis of the interaction time."

Comment: Immunity to protect living organisms must exist in all or life would not survive. It must be assumed and appears supported by genome research that dangerous viruses appeared as life started. The immune systems must have been designed from the beginning, an d are so complex chance development is not possible.

Immunity system complexity: attack bacteria not self cells

by David Turell @, Tuesday, May 07, 2019, 19:04 (1810 days ago) @ David Turell

The attack pauses to be sure only bacteria are affected:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190506093419.htm

"To kill bacteria in the blood, our immune system relies on nanomachines that can open deadly holes in their targets. UCL scientists have now filmed these nanomachines in action, discovering a key bottleneck in the process which helps to protect our own cells.

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"In earlier research, the scientists imaged the hallmarks of attack in live bacteria, showing that the immune system response results in 'bullet holes' spread across the cell envelopes of bacteria. The holes are incredibly small with a diameter of just 10 nanometres -- about 1/10,000 of the width of a human hair.

"For this study, the researchers mimicked how these deadly holes are formed by the membrane attack complex (MAC) using a model bacterial surface. By tracking each step of the process, they found that shortly after each hole started to form, the process stalled, offering a reprise for the body's own cells.

"'It appears as if these nanomachines wait a moment, allowing their potential victim to intervene in case it is one of the body's own cells instead of an invading bug, before they deal the killer blow," explained Dr Edward Parsons (UCL London Centre for Nanotechnology).

"The team say the process pauses as 18 copies of the same protein are needed to complete a hole. Initially, there's only one copy which inserts into the bacterial surface, after which the other copies of the protein slot into place much more rapidly.

"'It is the insertion of the first protein of the membrane attack complex which causes the bottleneck in the killing process. Curiously, it coincides with the point where hole formation is prevented on our own healthy cells, thus leaving them undamaged," said Professor Bart Hoogenboom (UCL Physics & Astronomy)."

Comment: Immunity is so vital, this complex process had to be designed as a whole intact system as life started. There is no other logical way, certainly not stepwise development. Obviously a designer is required

Immunity system complexity: attack killer cells have memory

by David Turell @, Monday, May 13, 2019, 18:20 (1804 days ago) @ David Turell

These are not the immune attack cells, and this discovery is a surprise:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/innate-immune-cells-may-actually-remember-th...

"Scientists have long believed that humans and many other mammals have two types of immune systems: innate and adaptive. The former is driven by natural killer (NK) cells, which attack any cell it identifies as non-self, the latter by B and T cells that form long-term memories of particular antigens they meet so they are more prepared to fight that antigen in the future.

"The NK cells are thought to form the first barrier of defense against any incoming pathogen, poking holes in the cells to kill them. Several years ago, researchers discovered that these NK cells may be able to form “memories” of previous antigen exposures and play a role in adaptive immunity, independent of B and T cells—in mice, at least.

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"These results support what her group had found previously, that NK cells can recall past encounters with pathogens.

"But there was one surprise. Only the NK cells harvested from the animals’ livers seemed to “remember” the HIV envelope, not the ones from their spleens. Both groups of NK cells that came from the spleens—those that had been exposed to the vaccination and those that hadn’t—reacted as if they’d never been exposed to the HIV envelope virus.

The second part of the study used actual humans, rather than humanized mice. Paust and her team recruited adults aged 40–60 who had had chicken pox when they were children and injected them with glycoproteins from the chicken pox virus. “It’s similar to a TB test,” she explains, in that people who have had chicken pox will develop a blister-like response on the skin at the site of injection.

"Once the blister formed, scientists collected some of the fluid and isolated NK cells that had been recruited to the site. Unlike NK cells found elsewhere in the body, these cells were active and fighting the antigens, implying that the adaptive memory of these cells had lasted decades.

"Paust says she believes the cells were likely to have originated in the liver, based on comparisons to liver-derived cells. “This is as close as we could get in humans,” she says, admitting that this is not a perfect test, but that she hopes clinicians who have access to liver and spleen tissue after surgeries might have the opportunity (with their patient’s consent) to explore further.

"Understanding how NK cells form adaptive memories may help researchers develop more-effective vaccines that stimulate immunity from all three types of capable immune cells. Plus, if scientists can identify biomarkers showing when NK cells are responding to familiar infections, it may provide clues as to why some vaccines are more effective than others. "

Comment: Life had to be developed with an immune system present from the beginning, since it had to recognized viruses were also present after arriving early on in the development of biologic forms. Immunity systems must always have an evolving stored memory of past infections. Too complex for chance development. Designed.

Immunity system complexity: monocytes to the rescue

by David Turell @, Sunday, March 19, 2023, 15:23 (398 days ago) @ David Turell

They proliferate to help tissue infections:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/03/230317144955.htm

"The ability of a cell to divide, to proliferate, is essential for life and gives rise to the formation of complex organisms from a single cell. It also allows the replacement of used cells from a limited number of "stem" cells, which then proliferate and specialize...Researchers from the GIGA Institute at the University of Liège have discovered that, in a healthy individual, certain blood immune cells, the monocytes, also have this ability to proliferate, with the aim to replace tissue macrophages, which are essential for the proper functioning of our body.

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"Research Institute) and his team from the GIGA Institute at ULiège discovered that this ability to proliferate is not merely restricted to stem cells, but is also an as-yet-unknown function of blood immune cells, the monocytes. Indeed, blood monocytes, previously considered as differentiated cells, are capable of proliferating and generating a pool of monocytes in the tissues in order to give rise to macrophages, which are important immune cells that protect us against microbes and support the proper functioning of our organs.

"'This is a major fundamental discovery, which changes our conception of the involvement of cell proliferation in the constitution and maintenance of our immune system." explains Thomas Marichal, director of the study. "Our finding also suggests that the information that can be drawn from an enumeration of blood monocytes, classically carried out during a blood test, would reflect only little of what is happening at the level of the tissues, during 'infection or inflammation, for example, since monocytes can proliferate when they enter tissues." He also adds: "Fortunately, this proliferation is extremely well controlled and does not lead to a tumoral process. It has only one goal: to allow, as effectively as possible, the replacement of immune cells that populate our tissues: the macrophages.'"

Comment: A backup design to reinforce macrophages in infected tissues. This is another level of protection. Normally only stem cells can produce a needed cell type. Monocytes must be DNA coded to do this.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Tuesday, June 04, 2019, 20:36 (1782 days ago) @ David Turell

More on this T cell mechanism:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/immune-cells-measure-time-to-identify-foreign-proteins-2...

How these T-cells are able to make the distinction between self and non-self, between something that should be left alone and something that shouldn’t be, has been one of the central questions driving immunology research. (my bold)

"And strikingly, both teams got the same results: When a binding event lasted for more than around five seconds, the T-cell became active, but it failed to do so for anything less than that. “In some ways,” Groves said, “the whole T-cell receptor signaling network is like a little chemical computer that’s measuring binding times, and it’s also a single-molecule sensor on top of all this.” (my bold)

"This process works because the immune system undergoes a sort of training period during its early development: Nascent T-cells are presented with all the self molecules in the body, and cells that bind for more than five seconds to anything get weeded out. That way, the T-cells left to make up the body’s immune system are those that bind for a long time only with things they’ve never seen before.

"How the cells measure the length of a binding event is still unknown, but experts have sketched out an idea of what most likely happens: From the moment a T-cell receptor binds to a molecule, a number of irreversible biochemical steps have to take place before the cell will activate. If the molecule detaches too early during this signaling cascade, everything has to start over from step one. Researchers, including Weiner, Schamel and Groves, are still trying to figure out what those intermediate steps are, and how each of those steps contributes to the T-cell’s ability to keep track of binding time. (my bold)

"But Tischer and Weiner’s simplified T-cell experiment provided a preliminary, and surprising, hint: The clock doesn’t seem to start immediately after the target molecule binds to the T-cell receptor; rather, there is some kind of undetermined hiatus.

"This still needs to be confirmed in a natural T-cell system, and some researchers have their doubts (Groves, for one, thinks that multiple levels of the signaling cascade track the binding time, and that the receptor contributes to that). Still, if true, “it would be very strange,” said Schamel, who is also not yet fully convinced. “It’s a very puzzling and unexpected result, because you would have always thought that time would start counting with the first event, when the [molecule] binds. But no, time seems to start counting later.”

"Weiner added, “The step we thought was the most likely [for kinetic proofreading] appears not to be the critical one.” Rather, steps that take place further down the line, and that are less directly connected to what’s going on at the binding site, seem to be involved. To him this indicates that “discriminating self from non-self is a property of the more extended signaling network … and [raises] the very interesting question of exactly what the receptor is contributing to this process."

Comment: Note my bolds. A very complex automatic arrangement. The T cells go through an important learning process. A system that must be designed to fill these requirements. Not by chance.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by dhw, Wednesday, June 05, 2019, 09:38 (1781 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Note my bolds. A very complex automatic arrangement. The T cells go through an important learning process. A system that must be designed to fill these requirements. Not by chance.

An “automatic” arrangement by which cells go through a “learning process”! Every single new development must have begun with a learning process, and the ability to learn is integral to intelligence.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Wednesday, June 05, 2019, 18:59 (1781 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Note my bolds. A very complex automatic arrangement. The T cells go through an important learning process. A system that must be designed to fill these requirements. Not by chance.

dhw: An “automatic” arrangement by which cells go through a “learning process”! Every single new development must have begun with a learning process, and the ability to learn is integral to intelligence.

And the learning process can be totally designed.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by dhw, Thursday, June 06, 2019, 08:55 (1780 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Note my bolds. A very complex automatic arrangement. The T cells go through an important learning process. A system that must be designed to fill these requirements. Not by chance.

dhw: An “automatic” arrangement by which cells go through a “learning process”! Every single new development must have begun with a learning process, and the ability to learn is integral to intelligence.

DAVID: And the learning process can be totally designed.

Yes indeed, we may all be robots without knowing it. On the other hand, the learning process can be the product of autonomous intelligence. You often quote the odds as 50/50, but happen to know that in our case it’s 100 autonomous intelligence, and in cells it’s 100 automatic.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Thursday, June 06, 2019, 18:23 (1780 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Note my bolds. A very complex automatic arrangement. The T cells go through an important learning process. A system that must be designed to fill these requirements. Not by chance.

dhw: An “automatic” arrangement by which cells go through a “learning process”! Every single new development must have begun with a learning process, and the ability to learn is integral to intelligence.

DAVID: And the learning process can be totally designed.

dhw: Yes indeed, we may all be robots without knowing it. On the other hand, the learning process can be the product of autonomous intelligence. You often quote the odds as 50/50, but happen to know that in our case it’s 100 autonomous intelligence, and in cells it’s 100 automatic.

I'm allowed to have my interpretation. You have yours, wishing for innate cellular intelligence.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by dhw, Friday, June 07, 2019, 12:23 (1779 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Note my bolds. A very complex automatic arrangement. The T cells go through an important learning process. A system that must be designed to fill these requirements. Not by chance.

dhw: An “automatic” arrangement by which cells go through a “learning process”! Every single new development must have begun with a learning process, and the ability to learn is integral to intelligence.

DAVID: And the learning process can be totally designed.

dhw: Yes indeed, we may all be robots without knowing it. On the other hand, the learning process can be the product of autonomous intelligence. You often quote the odds as 50/50, but happen to know that in our case it’s 100 autonomous intelligence, and in cells it’s 100 automatic.

DAVID: I'm allowed to have my interpretation. You have yours, wishing for innate cellular intelligence.

Why is an acceptance of the possibility of cellular intelligence called “wishing for”? It is a hypothesis that provides a logical alternative to the unproven hypotheses of random mutations, divine dabbling, and a 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all evolutionary innovations, lifestyles, natural wonders etc. I feel obliged to repeat this every time you slip the word “automatic” into your comments. Yes, you are allowed to have your interpretation, but you can hardly expect me to let you get away with such an authoritative-sounding endorsement of your own subjective belief and rejection of my hypothesis!

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Friday, June 07, 2019, 14:47 (1779 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Note my bolds. A very complex automatic arrangement. The T cells go through an important learning process. A system that must be designed to fill these requirements. Not by chance.

dhw: An “automatic” arrangement by which cells go through a “learning process”! Every single new development must have begun with a learning process, and the ability to learn is integral to intelligence.

DAVID: And the learning process can be totally designed.

dhw: Yes indeed, we may all be robots without knowing it. On the other hand, the learning process can be the product of autonomous intelligence. You often quote the odds as 50/50, but happen to know that in our case it’s 100 autonomous intelligence, and in cells it’s 100 automatic.

DAVID: I'm allowed to have my interpretation. You have yours, wishing for innate cellular intelligence.

dhw: Why is an acceptance of the possibility of cellular intelligence called “wishing for”? It is a hypothesis that provides a logical alternative to the unproven hypotheses of random mutations, divine dabbling, and a 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all evolutionary innovations, lifestyles, natural wonders etc. I feel obliged to repeat this every time you slip the word “automatic” into your comments. Yes, you are allowed to have your interpretation, but you can hardly expect me to let you get away with such an authoritative-sounding endorsement of your own subjective belief and rejection of my hypothesis!

I'll repeat. Every time a scientist unearths a cell mechanism it is simply a series of molecular reactions. Life runs at very high speed. Each cell is like a production line factory, and they are all designed to be that way. I'll stick with 'automatic' from underlying design.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by dhw, Saturday, June 08, 2019, 09:38 (1778 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: I'm allowed to have my interpretation. You have yours, wishing for innate cellular intelligence.

dhw: Why is an acceptance of the possibility of cellular intelligence called “wishing for”? It is a hypothesis that provides a logical alternative to the unproven hypotheses of random mutations, divine dabbling, and a 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all evolutionary innovations, lifestyles, natural wonders etc. I feel obliged to repeat this every time you slip the word “automatic” into your comments. Yes, you are allowed to have your interpretation, but you can hardly expect me to let you get away with such an authoritative-sounding endorsement of your own subjective belief and rejection of my hypothesis!

DAVID: I'll repeat. Every time a scientist unearths a cell mechanism it is simply a series of molecular reactions. Life runs at very high speed. Each cell is like a production line factory, and they are all designed to be that way. I'll stick with 'automatic' from underlying design.

Scientists CAN only study the molecular reactions that result from thought. Many scientists, however, believe that cellular behaviour, manifested by automatic reactions, is directed by a form of autonomous intelligence. And so every time you insert the word “automatic” to indicate absence of intelligence, you will oblige me to point out that this is your subjective belief, which conflicts with the subjective beliefs of many of your fellow scientists.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 08, 2019, 15:33 (1778 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I'm allowed to have my interpretation. You have yours, wishing for innate cellular intelligence.

dhw: Why is an acceptance of the possibility of cellular intelligence called “wishing for”? It is a hypothesis that provides a logical alternative to the unproven hypotheses of random mutations, divine dabbling, and a 3.8-billion-year-old computer programme for all evolutionary innovations, lifestyles, natural wonders etc. I feel obliged to repeat this every time you slip the word “automatic” into your comments. Yes, you are allowed to have your interpretation, but you can hardly expect me to let you get away with such an authoritative-sounding endorsement of your own subjective belief and rejection of my hypothesis!

DAVID: I'll repeat. Every time a scientist unearths a cell mechanism it is simply a series of molecular reactions. Life runs at very high speed. Each cell is like a production line factory, and they are all designed to be that way. I'll stick with 'automatic' from underlying design.

dhw: Scientists CAN only study the molecular reactions that result from thought.

Scientists can only define cellular responses as molecular reactions, no thought is seen.

dhw: Many scientists, however, believe that cellular behaviour, manifested by automatic reactions, is directed by a form of autonomous intelligence. And so every time you insert the word “automatic” to indicate absence of intelligence, you will oblige me to point out that this is your subjective belief, which conflicts with the subjective beliefs of many of your fellow scientists.

Current conclusions on all sides are all subjective. The underlying controlling mechanism is not yet known. Therefore, 'a form of autonomous intelligence' can be just that or automatically programmed responses. Take your choice. I have mine and you quote scientists who have subjectively disagreed with me. Subjective is subjective. No proof exists now.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by dhw, Sunday, June 09, 2019, 08:27 (1777 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: I'll repeat. Every time a scientist unearths a cell mechanism it is simply a series of molecular reactions. Life runs at very high speed. Each cell is like a production line factory, and they are all designed to be that way. I'll stick with 'automatic' from underlying design.

dhw: Scientists CAN only study the molecular reactions that result from thought.

DAVID: Scientists can only define cellular responses as molecular reactions, no thought is seen.

You are repeating my own argument. Please tell me how thought can be seen even in humans. Some (materialist) scientists believe our own thoughts are also the result of molecular reactions.

dhw: Many scientists, however, believe that cellular behaviour, manifested by automatic reactions, is directed by a form of autonomous intelligence. And so every time you insert the word “automatic” to indicate absence of intelligence, you will oblige me to point out that this is your subjective belief, which conflicts with the subjective beliefs of many of your fellow scientists.

DAVID: Current conclusions on all sides are all subjective. The underlying controlling mechanism is not yet known. Therefore, 'a form of autonomous intelligence' can be just that or automatically programmed responses. Take your choice. I have mine and you quote scientists who have subjectively disagreed with me. Subjective is subjective. No proof exists now.

Thank you for again repeating my own argument (bolded). Since no proof exists either way, I suggest that one should keep an open mind. I offer hypotheses. You offer rigidly fixed beliefs.

Under "Plant root growth":

QUOTE: "the researchers were able to show that BSK3, a brassinosteroid signaling kinase, is modulating the extent of root elongation under low nitrogen." (David’s bold)

QUOTE: "As sessile organisms, plants rely on their ability to adapt the development and growth of their roots in response to changing nutrient conditions. One such response, known to be displayed by plants grown in low nitrogen conditions, is the elongation of primary and lateral roots to explore the surrounding soil. (dhw’s bold)

DAVID: This finding presents the usual problem for Darwin-style evolutionary theory. The bolded molecule is a giant enzyme, with exact structure to provide the necessary result in action. Of all the possible structures to chose from, how did unguided evolution find such a molecule? Since this is an issue of survival, this mechanism had to be part of the original design of the plant.

The passage I have quoted and bolded makes it perfectly clear that as conditions change, plants modify themselves in order to cope with new conditions. Some scientists would argue that this denotes a particular form of intelligence, and yes indeed, I would suggest that the intelligence (perhaps God-given) but not the evolutionary developments themselves would have been part of the original design. Your own bold identifies the material means by which plants make the necessary adjustments.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Sunday, June 09, 2019, 18:48 (1777 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Many scientists, however, believe that cellular behaviour, manifested by automatic reactions, is directed by a form of autonomous intelligence. And so every time you insert the word “automatic” to indicate absence of intelligence, you will oblige me to point out that this is your subjective belief, which conflicts with the subjective beliefs of many of your fellow scientists.

DAVID: Current conclusions on all sides are all subjective. The underlying controlling mechanism is not yet known. Therefore, 'a form of autonomous intelligence' can be just that or automatically programmed responses. Take your choice. I have mine and you quote scientists who have subjectively disagreed with me. Subjective is subjective. No proof exists now.

dhw: Thank you for again repeating my own argument (bolded). Since no proof exists either way, I suggest that one should keep an open mind. I offer hypotheses. You offer rigidly fixed beliefs.

Yes, I have rigid beliefs. You are the one floating around with no beliefs.


Under "Plant root growth":

QUOTE: "the researchers were able to show that BSK3, a brassinosteroid signaling kinase, is modulating the extent of root elongation under low nitrogen." (David’s bold)

QUOTE: "As sessile organisms, plants rely on their ability to adapt the development and growth of their roots in response to changing nutrient conditions. One such response, known to be displayed by plants grown in low nitrogen conditions, is the elongation of primary and lateral roots to explore the surrounding soil. (dhw’s bold)

DAVID: This finding presents the usual problem for Darwin-style evolutionary theory. The bolded molecule is a giant enzyme, with exact structure to provide the necessary result in action. Of all the possible structures to chose from, how did unguided evolution find such a molecule? Since this is an issue of survival, this mechanism had to be part of the original design of the plant.

dhw: The passage I have quoted and bolded makes it perfectly clear that as conditions change, plants modify themselves in order to cope with new conditions. Some scientists would argue that this denotes a particular form of intelligence, and yes indeed, I would suggest that the intelligence (perhaps God-given) but not the evolutionary developments themselves would have been part of the original design. Your own bold identifies the material means by which plants make the necessary adjustments.

Again your discussion avoids the main point. It the plants controlled their own modification, how did they find the necessary giant protein molecule? The only ability seen in cells is the ability to respond to specific stimuli or to produce required proteins in a seemingly intelligent way.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by dhw, Monday, June 10, 2019, 10:44 (1776 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Thank you for again repeating my own argument (bolded). Since no proof exists either way, I suggest that one should keep an open mind. I offer hypotheses. You offer rigidly fixed beliefs.

DAVID: Yes, I have rigid beliefs. You are the one floating around with no beliefs.

That is the driving force behind most of our discussions. I question your rigid beliefs and offer alternatives, especially when your rigid beliefs seem to lack logical coherence.

dhw: The passage I have quoted and bolded makes it perfectly clear that as conditions change, plants modify themselves in order to cope with new conditions. Some scientists would argue that this denotes a particular form of intelligence, and yes indeed, I would suggest that the intelligence (perhaps God-given) but not the evolutionary developments themselves would have been part of the original design. Your own bold identifies the material means by which plants make the necessary adjustments.

DAVID: Again your discussion avoids the main point. It the plants controlled their own modification, how did they find the necessary giant protein molecule? The only ability seen in cells is the ability to respond to specific stimuli or to produce required proteins in a seemingly intelligent way.

Maybe it is not “seemingly” intelligent, but results from real intelligence.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Monday, June 10, 2019, 15:17 (1776 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Thank you for again repeating my own argument (bolded). Since no proof exists either way, I suggest that one should keep an open mind. I offer hypotheses. You offer rigidly fixed beliefs.

DAVID: Yes, I have rigid beliefs. You are the one floating around with no beliefs.

dhw: That is the driving force behind most of our discussions. I question your rigid beliefs and offer alternatives, especially when your rigid beliefs seem to lack logical coherence.

That is your problem as an agnostic. Not everything is totally logical. That is why we theists take some things on faith.


dhw: The passage I have quoted and bolded makes it perfectly clear that as conditions change, plants modify themselves in order to cope with new conditions. Some scientists would argue that this denotes a particular form of intelligence, and yes indeed, I would suggest that the intelligence (perhaps God-given) but not the evolutionary developments themselves would have been part of the original design. Your own bold identifies the material means by which plants make the necessary adjustments.

DAVID: Again your discussion avoids the main point. It the plants controlled their own modification, how did they find the necessary giant protein molecule? The only ability seen in cells is the ability to respond to specific stimuli or to produce required proteins in a seemingly intelligent way.

dhw: Maybe it is not “seemingly” intelligent, but results from real intelligence.

Perhaps you might consider that God put some of His intelligence into cellular instructions

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by dhw, Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 13:38 (1775 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Thank you for again repeating my own argument (bolded). Since no proof exists either way, I suggest that one should keep an open mind. I offer hypotheses. You offer rigidly fixed beliefs.

DAVID: Yes, I have rigid beliefs. You are the one floating around with no beliefs.

dhw: That is the driving force behind most of our discussions. I question your rigid beliefs and offer alternatives, especially when your rigid beliefs seem to lack logical coherence.

DAVID: That is your problem as an agnostic. Not everything is totally logical. That is why we theists take some things on faith.

I’m glad you are acknowledging the lack of logic in some of your beliefs, as opposed to your constant insistence, for example, that it is perfectly logical for your God to specially design millions of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders although his only purpose was to specially design humans. Frankly, I see no reason to take such things on faith when even you acknowledge that there are other, perfectly logical theistic explanations of the history of evolution.

dhw: The passage I have quoted and bolded makes it perfectly clear that as conditions change, plants modify themselves in order to cope with new conditions. [...]

DAVID: Again your discussion avoids the main point. It the plants controlled their own modification, how did they find the necessary giant protein molecule? The only ability seen in cells is the ability to respond to specific stimuli or to produce required proteins in a seemingly intelligent way.

dhw: Maybe it is not “seemingly” intelligent, but results from real intelligence.

DAVID: Perhaps you might consider that God put some of His intelligence into cellular instructions.

But then I would have to ask myself why he would preprogramme or dabble every single action by every single species of plant, animal, insect, bird, fish etc. if his only purpose was to specially design H. sapiens. Your answer on the cosmology thread was: “To get from bacteria to humans required all the 'non-human elements'.” A good example of your belief that “not everything is totally logical” and of your having to resort to faith as your only answer.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 14:46 (1775 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: That is your problem as an agnostic. Not everything is totally logical. That is why we theists take some things on faith.

dhw: I’m glad you are acknowledging the lack of logic in some of your beliefs, as opposed to your constant insistence, for example, that it is perfectly logical for your God to specially design millions of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders although his only purpose was to specially design humans. Frankly, I see no reason to take such things on faith when even you acknowledge that there are other, perfectly logical theistic explanations of the history of evolution.

Once again you are totally inconsistent. Either God can choose to evolve humans from bacteria or He shouldn't have. You can't have it both ways. Your 'logical theistic explanations' always humanize God.


dhw: The passage I have quoted and bolded makes it perfectly clear that as conditions change, plants modify themselves in order to cope with new conditions. [...]

DAVID: Again your discussion avoids the main point. It the plants controlled their own modification, how did they find the necessary giant protein molecule? The only ability seen in cells is the ability to respond to specific stimuli or to produce required proteins in a seemingly intelligent way.

dhw: Maybe it is not “seemingly” intelligent, but results from real intelligence.

DAVID: Perhaps you might consider that God put some of His intelligence into cellular instructions.

dhw: But then I would have to ask myself why he would preprogramme or dabble every single action by every single species of plant, animal, insect, bird, fish etc. if his only purpose was to specially design H. sapiens. Your answer on the cosmology thread was: “To get from bacteria to humans required all the 'non-human elements'.” A good example of your belief that “not everything is totally logical” and of your having to resort to faith as your only answer.

It is totally logical to believe that God chose to evolve humans from a start with bacteria.

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by dhw, Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 09:08 (1774 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: That is your problem as an agnostic. Not everything is totally logical. That is why we theists take some things on faith.

dhw: I’m glad you are acknowledging the lack of logic in some of your beliefs, as opposed to your constant insistence, for example, that it is perfectly logical for your God to specially design millions of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders although his only purpose was to specially design humans. Frankly, I see no reason to take such things on faith when even you acknowledge that there are other, perfectly logical theistic explanations of the history of evolution.

DAVID: Once again you are totally inconsistent. Either God can choose to evolve humans from bacteria or He shouldn't have. You can't have it both ways. Your 'logical theistic explanations' always humanize God.

1 Once again you refuse to put your different hypotheses together. If God exists and evolution is true, then God chose to evolve ALL forms of life from bacteria. You keep ignoring the fact that your concept of evolution is that your God specially designed every single innovation, life form, lifestyle and natural wonder, including every step of human evolution. And so I keep asking why he would specially design millions of non-human life forms if the only life form he wanted to specially design was us. You have never found an answer to this question.

2 How can you possibly know that your God does not have attributes in common with humans?

Immunity system complexity: T cells identify self, non- self

by David Turell @, Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 15:25 (1774 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: That is your problem as an agnostic. Not everything is totally logical. That is why we theists take some things on faith.

dhw: I’m glad you are acknowledging the lack of logic in some of your beliefs, as opposed to your constant insistence, for example, that it is perfectly logical for your God to specially design millions of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders although his only purpose was to specially design humans. Frankly, I see no reason to take such things on faith when even you acknowledge that there are other, perfectly logical theistic explanations of the history of evolution.

DAVID: Once again you are totally inconsistent. Either God can choose to evolve humans from bacteria or He shouldn't have. You can't have it both ways. Your 'logical theistic explanations' always humanize God.

1 Once again you refuse to put your different hypotheses together. If God exists and evolution is true, then God chose to evolve ALL forms of life from bacteria. You keep ignoring the fact that your concept of evolution is that your God specially designed every single innovation, life form, lifestyle and natural wonder, including every step of human evolution. And so I keep asking why he would specially design millions of non-human life forms if the only life form he wanted to specially design was us. You have never found an answer to this question.

2 How can you possibly know that your God does not have attributes in common with humans?

1: Evolving a future human from bacteria means all the stages and forms we see, including all the econiches for balance of food supply.

2. God may have some attributes humans have. We can only imagine about them. He is special and different than we are.

Immunity system complexity: lung proteins call for T cells

by David Turell @, Friday, September 27, 2019, 15:24 (1667 days ago) @ David Turell

Special complex lung proteins signal for T cell help:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-09-immunologists-cell-homing-beacons-lungs.html

"Scientists have identified a pair of molecules critical for T cells, part of the immune system, to travel to and populate the lungs.

"CD8 T cells, which survey other cells for signs of viral infection and kill infected cells, are an important arm of our defenses too. The epitopes—or bits of viral protein—they recognize generally do not change from year to year.

"Researchers led by Jacob Kohlmeier, Ph.D., at Emory University School of Medicine wanted to learn more about what's needed to get CD8 T cells into the lungs, since the lungs will often contain the first cells incoming virus will have a chance to infect. However, T cells don't stick around in the lungs for extended amounts of time.

"'The airways are a unique environment in the body," says Alex Wein, a MD/Ph.D. student who trained in Kohlmeier's lab. "They're high in oxygen but low in nutrients. Unlike other tissues, when T cells enter the airways, it's a one-way trip and they have a half-life of a few weeks, so they must be continually repopulated."

***

"The researchers showed that two molecules, called CXCR6 and CXCL16, are needed for CD8 T cells to reach the airways in mice. CXCR6 is found on T cells and CXCL16 is produced by the epithelial cells lining the airways of the lungs.

"Other molecules necessary for T cells to home to the intestines or the skin were already known. The lungs have been more difficult to study because of how many blood vessels run through them. Recently, scientists have been able to discern two distinct populations of lung T cells, present in the interstitium—between the lung epithelial cells and blood vessels—and others in the blood.

"CXCR6 is a homing beacon that allows T cells to travel through the lung interstitium and into the airways.

***

"Most of the experiments used mice, but the researchers did show that CXCR6 was abundant on CD8 T cells in the lungs of humans as well. CXCL16 is also made by the airway epithelium in humans. "

Comment: Another specialized protein designed with purpose to protect the lungs. Not by chance.

Immunity system complexity: handling gut pathogens

by David Turell @, Friday, May 24, 2019, 21:10 (1793 days ago) @ David Turell

Immunity varies in the gut, depending on the level:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-05-reveals-gut-segments-function.html

"As food enters the intestine, it embarks on windy, lengthy journey. For most of the route, its surroundings don't appear to change much. But new research from Rockefeller's Daniel Mucida shows that the food-processing canal consists of compartments that pace the immune system's reactions to the food passing through—with less aggressive defenses in the first segments where nutrients are absorbed, and more forceful responses at the end, where pathogens are eliminated.

"The findings, published in Nature, provide new insights about how the intestine maximizes nutrient uptake while protecting the body from potentially dangerous invading microbes, two seemingly conflicting functions. The research has potential to improve drugs for gastrointestinal disorders, as well as inform the development of oral vaccines.

"'At first glance the intestine appears uniform throughout," says Mucida. "But we've found a sophisticated functional system lurking beneath the surface, organized in segments to allow different immune system functions in different locations."

"Mucida and colleagues uncovered a functional segmentation in mice by examining intestinal structures called gut draining lymph nodes, which orchestrate immune responses. The researchers found that nodes in different part of the intestine had different cell composition, and when they challenged the mice with a pathogen such as Salmonella, they saw different immune responses between segments.

"Having immune responses separated by location likely increases the chance that the immune system reacts appropriately to what's passing through, Mucida says. Once most nutrients have been absorbed, the system can focus more aggressively on eliminating pathogens without interfering with food uptake."

Comment: as long guts were developed, it is obvious the immune system had to be designed this way for protection from pathogens. if organisms waited for chance development, they have not survived to evolve further.

Immunity system complexity: response to low oxygenation

by David Turell @, Saturday, May 25, 2019, 20:35 (1792 days ago) @ David Turell

The macrophages lower the citrate cycle, depraving bacteria of nutrient:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190524081644.htm

"Infected tissue has a low concentration of oxygen. The body's standard immune mechanisms, which rely on oxygen, can then only function to a limited extent. How does the immune system nevertheless manage to control bacteria under such conditions? Researchers have discovered that fewer metabolites are produced in the citric acid cycle under hypoxic conditions, leading to a reduced rate of reproduction among bacteria in macrophages.

"Infected tissue has a low concentration of oxygen. The body's standard immune mechanisms, which rely on oxygen, can then only function to a limited extent. How does the immune system nevertheless manage to control bacteria under such conditions? ..... The researchers discovered that fewer metabolites are produced in the citric acid cycle under hypoxic conditions, leading to a reduced rate of reproduction among bacteria in macrophages.

"Macrophages are a type of phagocyte and belong to the congenital immune system, where they have a key role to play in defending against infection by intracellular pathogens such as those which cause tuberculosis, Legionnaires' disease or Q fever. The team of researchers observed changes in the mitochondrial metabolism of the macrophages caused by signalling pathways initiated by the lack of oxygen (hypoxia). This leads to a reduction in various metabolites in the citric acid cycle, especially citrate. This in turn prevents bacteria reproduction, as citrate is an essential growth factor for certain bacteria. 'Our results describe a method of pathogen control which does not depend on oxygen and which we were not aware of until now,' explains Prof. Jantsch from Universität Regensburg. FAU scientist PD Dr. Lührmann adds: 'The pharmacological influence of these signalling pathways opens up new opportunities for fighting infectious diseases.'"

Comment: Macrophages are the garbage collector of the body, and another arm of the immune system. When multicellular forms were evolved, this group of cells had to be present to help prevent infection. Not by chance, but by design.

Immunity system complexity: developing new defenses

by David Turell @, Friday, September 13, 2019, 18:48 (1681 days ago) @ David Turell

All our lives we must develop new defenses against newly contacted illnesses. This article tells us how it is done:

https://phys.org/news/2019-09-loops-dna-packaging-diverse-antibodies.html

" Diversity is good, especially when it comes to antibodies. It's long been known that a gene assembly process called V(D)J recombination allows our immune system to mix and match bits of genetic code, generating new antibodies to conquer newly encountered threats. But how these gene segments come together to be spliced has been a mystery.

"A pair of enzymes called RAG1 and RAG2, the researchers show, couple with mechanisms involved in making the chromatin loops to initiate the first step of V(D)J recombination—joining the D and J segments. The RAG 1/2 complex first binds to a site on an antibody gene known as the "recombination center." As the DNA scrolls past during the process of loop formation ("extrusion"), the RAG complex scans for the D and J segments the cell wants to combine. Other factors then impede the extrusion process, pausing the scrolling DNA at the recombination center so that RAG can access the desired segments.

"'The loop extrusion process is harnessed by antibody gene loci to properly present substrate gene segments to the RAG complex for V(D)J recombination," says Alt.

"While many of the hard-wired chromatin loops are formed and anchored by a factor known as CTCF, the Alt lab shows that other factors are involved in dynamic situations, like antibody formation, that require new loops on the fly. The study also establishes the role of a protein called cohesin in driving the loop extrusion/RAG scanning process.

"'While these findings have been made in the context of V(D)J recombination in antibody formation, they have implications for processes that could be involved in gene regulation more generally," says Alt."

Comment: Again a very necessary mechanism which is irreducibly complex and had to present from the beginning to offer disease protection or life would not have survived. More evidence for design

Immunity complexity: control of immature immune proteins

by David Turell @, Tuesday, September 24, 2019, 21:30 (1670 days ago) @ David Turell

The immune proteins are allowed to leave the cell only when mature:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/09/190924133250.htm

"The cells of our immune system constantly communicate with one another by exchanging complex protein molecules. A team has now revealed how dedicated cellular control proteins, referred to as chaperones, detect immature immune signaling proteins and prevent them from leaving the cell.

***

"A team led by researchers from the Technical University of Munich (TUM) has now revealed how dedicated cellular control proteins, referred to as chaperones, detect immature immune signaling proteins and prevent them from leaving the cell.

"The body's defenses systems have to react quickly whenever pathogens enter the organism. Intruders are identified by white blood cells which pass on the information to other immune cells. Information is transmitted via secreted signaling proteins, the interleukins, which dock onto the matching receptors on the recipient cells and for example make the target cells divide and release antibodies.

"Researchers from TUM, the Helmholtz Zentrum München and Stanford University have, by studying interleukin 23, been able to show how cells ensure that the interleukin signalling proteins are built correctly.

***

"Interleukin 23 is composed of two proteins, which have to combine in the cell to form an active complex in order to be able to trigger the desired signals. As the scientists have demonstrated in their study, molecules referred to as chaperones retain one part of the interleukin known as IL23-alpha in the cell until it has been incorporated into the complete complex. This way the cell makes sure that it does not secrete any unpaired IL23-alpha and thus controls the biosynthesis of this important interleukin and accordingly of the messages it sends. Chaperones are molecular protein machines that ensure that other proteins are built correctly.

"'We were able to show that unbound IL23-alpha has chemical bonds which are prone to interaction with chaperones," Feige explains. In the completed interleukin 23 these bonds are closed, so that the chaperon no longer is able to interact and hence the complete molecule can leave the cell."

Comment: the immune system is vital to protect organisms from attack. Proper targets must be identified accurately, and release of antibodies controlled and prompt. This protection must have been designed in the beginning of life as all organisms need ways to block infections

Immunity complexity: neutrophiles use nets to kill

by David Turell @, Thursday, October 03, 2019, 16:16 (1661 days ago) @ David Turell

Only discovered in the past few years, these nets contain DNA and other molecules:

https://www.the-scientist.com/features/why-immune-cells-extrude-webs-of-dna-and-protein...

"In the early 2000s, Arturo Zychlinsky at the Max Planck Institute for Infection Biology in Berlin found that mammalian immune cells called neutrophils use an enzyme called neutrophil elastase (NE) to cleave bacterial virulence factors. When Zychlinsky and his colleagues delved deeper into this defense mechanism, they realized that when activated by bacteria, human neutrophils release NE in what, under the microscope, looked like a fibrous structure. This structure turned out to be a meshwork of NE, other proteins, and copious amounts of DNA. In cultured human neutrophils, the webs were able to trap the bacteria that had triggered their formation, thereby limiting infection, so Zychlinsky and colleagues dubbed them neutrophil extracellular traps, or NETs.

***

"Today, it is widely accepted that NETs have both a protective and a pathological impact on the host. In 2012, Mariana Kaplan, now of the National Institutes of Health, and the University of Tennessee’s Marko Radic termed NETs a “double-edged sword of immunity” and suggested that healthy organisms must tightly control their release to minimize negative consequences for the host. The details of NET regulation and function are now a very active area of research.

***

"That said, most pathways of NET formation do kill the immune cell, typically as a result of the production of reactive oxygen species (ROS). Bacterial or fungal pathogens cause neutrophils to activate kinases that induce assembly of an enzyme complex called nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (NADPH) oxidase. NADPH oxidase then produces large amounts of superoxide—a highly reactive oxygen compound that carries an extra electron—during a process called the neutrophil oxidative burst. ROS resulting from the oxidative burst trigger disintegration of a multiprotein complex to release active NE, a primary component of NETs, into the cytoplasm.

"NE then migrates to the neutrophil’s nucleus, where it cleaves histones and other proteins to decondense the chromatin. Eventually, the chromatin fills up the entire cell until the cell lyses and extrudes the NET into the extracellular space, a process known as NETosis. We recently identified an important role for the pore-forming protein gasdermin D in both the nuclear expansion and the lysis processes, although the mechanisms aren’t yet clear. In the extracellular space, the webs are thought to trap and kill the triggering pathogens.

***

"The role of NETs in infections is not limited to trapping microbes, however. The structures contain multiple anti-microbial molecules. Histones, for example, are major components of the chromatin in NETs, and these proteins have important bactericidal and immunostimulatory functions.

***

"NETs also contain several alarmins, molecules that activate the immune system and help propagate the inflammatory response. Release of alarmin-containing NETs alerts the rest of the immune system to the presence of microbes or foreign substances.

***

"Perhaps the most surprising mechanism of NET formation involves DNA release by living neutrophils, a process termed vital NETosis by Kubes and colleagues. It is unclear which molecules mediate DNA release in this case—or how the release even occurs—but it seems that neutrophils remain viable, phagocytic, and are even able to “push” the NET forward as they migrate. These findings demonstrate that neutrophils do not necessarily die after they form NETs."

Comment: Such a complex system must have been designed, as it involved so many different enzymes and protein molecules

Immunity system complexity: T cells memory

by David Turell @, Friday, October 11, 2019, 21:13 (1653 days ago) @ David Turell

Once an infections is defeated there must be a memory for the next time that same infection is attempted:


https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-10-migratory-dendritic-cells-tgf-prior.html

"A team of researchers affiliated with several institutions in the U.S. and one in the U.K. has found that migratory dendritic cells (DCs) activate TGF-β prior to conditioning naïve CD8+ T cells, allowing for transformation to TRM cells that take up residence in the skin. In their paper published in the journal Science, the group describes their study of such cells and how they are preconditioned before moving to the epidermis.

***

"Prior research has found that there is a kind of memory T cell that remains in tissue rather than circulating in the body. Such tissue-resident T cells (TRM) are created when the body successfully defeats an invasive element, such as a virus—they are how the body remembers to fight the same virus the next time it is encountered. One such kind of TRM are CD8+ epithelial TRM (eTRM) cells that exist in the skin. Prior research has also shown that after T cells are made in the bone marrow, they travel to lymph nodes, where they are trained to become the kinds of T cells that are needed by the body to support a normal immune response. These specialized T cells rely on a transforming growth factor–β (TGF-β) to mature properly. But the process by which this occurs is still under investigation. In this new effort, the researchers looked at the role αV integrin–expressing DCs, play in the transformation process.

"The work involved removing αV integrins from CD11c+ DCs in mouse models to measure the maturation process of naïve CD8+ T cells. This led to a dramatic reduction in CD8+ T cells in the skin, but not in the lymph nodes. Thhis indicates that migratory DCs play a role in activating TGF-β as a means of preconditioning naïve CD8+ T cells. Additionally, this indicates that pre-immune T cells might be less uniform than has been thought."

Comment: this maintenance of memory has several steps, and as such cannot be the result of chance mutations, but requires specific design beforehand. Development from experience would allow initial infections to end life before this mechanism could be set in place.

Immunity system complexity: role of mucus

by David Turell @, Monday, October 14, 2019, 19:27 (1650 days ago) @ David Turell

It actually changes the properties of infectious bacteria:

https://phys.org/news/2019-10-reveals-mucus-microbes.html

"More than 200 square meters of our bodies—including the digestive tract, lungs, and urinary tract—are lined with mucus. In recent years, scientists have found some evidence that mucus is not just a physical barrier that traps bacteria and viruses, but it can also disarm pathogens and prevent them from causing infections.

"A new study from MIT reveals that glycans—branched sugar molecules found in mucus—are responsible for most of this microbe-taming. There are hundreds of different glycans in mucus, and the MIT team discovered that these molecules can prevent bacteria from communicating with each other and forming infectious biofilms, effectively rendering them harmless.

"'What we have in mucus is a therapeutic gold mine," says Katharina Ribbeck, the Mark Hyman, Jr. Career Development Professor of Biological Engineering at MIT. "These glycans have biological functions that are very broad and sophisticated. They have the ability to regulate how microbes behave and really tune their identity."

***

"The average person produces several liters of mucus every day, and until recently this mucus was thought to function primarily as a lubricant and a physical barrier. However, Ribbeck and others have shown that mucus can actually interfere with bacterial behavior, preventing microbes from attaching to surfaces and communicating with one another.

***

"To explore that possibility, she isolated glycans and exposed them to Pseudomonas aeruginosa. Upon exposure to mucin glycans, the bacteria underwent broad shifts in behavior that rendered them less harmful to the host. For example, they no longer produced toxins, attached to or killed host cells, or expressed genes essential for bacterial communication.

"This microbe-disarming activity had powerful consequences on the ability of this bacterium to establish infections. Ribbeck has shown that treatment of Pseudomonas-infected burn wounds with mucins and mucin glycans reduces bacterial proliferation, indicating the therapeutic potential of these virulence-neutralizing agents.

"'We've seen that intact mucins have regulatory effects and can cause behavioral switches in a whole range of pathogens, but now we can pinpoint the molecular mechanism and the entities that are responsible for this, which are the glycans," Ribbeck says.

***

"Pseudomonas aeruginosa is just one of many opportunistic pathogens that healthy mucus keeps in check. Ribbeck is now studying the role of glycans in regulating other pathogens, including Streptococcus and the fungus Candida albicans, and she is also working on identifying receptors on microbe cell surfaces that interact with glycans.

Her work on Streptococcus has shown that glycans can block horizontal gene transfer, a process that microbes often use to spread genes for drug resistance.

***

"Ribbeck suspects that glycans in mucus also play a key role in determining the composition of the microbiome—the trillions of bacterial cells that live inside the human body. Many of these microbes are beneficial to their human hosts, and glycans may be providing them with nutrients they need, or otherwise helping them to flourish, she says. In this way, mucus-associated glycans are similar to the many oligosaccharides found in human milk, which also contains a wide array of sugars that can regulate microbe behavior."

Comment: Mucus represents the purpose of invention in evolution. This is another aspect of how immunity is designed to protect us. We share this with all animals, but not our special form of consciousness.

Immunity system complexity: role of tuft cells

by David Turell @, Friday, November 15, 2019, 20:47 (1618 days ago) @ David Turell

They can taste trouble and elicit responses:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/tuft-cells-that-taste-danger-set-off-immune-responses-20...

"Researchers around the world are tracing the ancient evolutionary roots that olfactory and taste receptors (collectively called chemosensory receptors or nutrient receptors) share with the immune system. A flurry of work in recent years shows that their paths cross far more often than anyone anticipated, and that this chemosensory-immunological network plays a role not just in infection, but in cancer and at least a handful of other diseases.

***

"These studies and a torrent of others from labs around the world drove home the message that these seemingly misplaced olfactory and taste receptors serve important and often vital functions. And a theme common to many of those functions was that the chemosensory receptors often seemed to be alerting tissues to the presence and condition of microbes in the body. In hindsight, that application for the receptors made a lot of sense. For example, as Herbert notes, being able to “taste” and “smell” minute traces of pathogens gives the body more chances to respond to infections before microbes overwhelm the host’s defenses.

***

"Locksley had discovered a group of cells called group 2 innate lymphoid cells (ILC2s) that secrete these cytokines. ILC2s, he found, release cytokines after receiving a signal from a chemical called IL-25. Locksley and von Moltke used a fluorescent tag to mark intestinal cells that produced IL-25. The only cells that gave off a red glow in their experiments were tuft cells. Locksley had barely even heard of them.

***

"these studies provided the first explanation for what tuft cells do: They recognize parasites by means of a small molecule called succinate, an end product of parasite metabolism. Once succinate binds to a tuft cell, it triggers the release of IL-25, which alerts the immune system to the problem. As part of the defensive cascade, the IL-25 also helps to initiate the production of mucus by nearby goblet cells and triggers muscle contractions to remove the parasites from the gut.

***

"In many cases, tuft cells appeared to be intimately involved with the part of the immune response known as inflammation. Vaughan was studying how tissue deep in the lungs repairs itself after inflammation caused by the flu virus. After reading about some of the new findings, Vaughan began to wonder whether tuft cells might be involved in the lungs’ recovery from influenza. He and Herbert infected mice with the influenza virus and searched the lungs of those with severe symptoms for signs of tuft cells.

***

"The researchers don’t yet know what the tuft cells are doing in the lungs or what they are sensing, but Herbert believes that their ability to continually “taste” the environment for different compounds provides a key opportunity for the body to respond to even minute threats.

"The tuft cell, Herbert said, is constantly sensing the metabolic products present in microenvironments within the body. “Once some of those metabolic products go out of whack … bam! Tuft cells can recognize it and make a response if something is wrong.”

"Newly discovered connections between tuft cells and the immune and nervous systems provide further evidence that chemosensory receptors are multipurpose tools like Swiss Army knives, with evolved functions beyond taste and smell. It isn’t clear which function evolved first, though, or whether they all evolved in tandem, Howitt says. Just because scientists became aware of “taste” receptors on the tongue first, “that doesn’t mean that’s the order in which it evolved.”

***

"Whatever their history, scientists now say that a major role of these receptors is to monitor the molecules in our body, tasting and smelling them for any sign that they might be from a pathogen. Then, with help from tuft cells and other parts of the immune system, the body can fight off the invaders before they’ve gotten a foothold. But Vaughan cautioned that the sudden emergence of tuft cells in tissues like the lungs, where they are not always present, might also cause its own pathologies."

Comment: An amazing group of tasting cells has been added to the obviously very complex designed immunity system. That these receptors appeared early in evolution is shown by the findings that "even single-celled bacteria such as Escherichia coli carry a type of this receptor." (A part of this article I have placed here)

Immunity system complexity: role of MAIT cells

by David Turell @, Friday, November 15, 2019, 21:02 (1617 days ago) @ David Turell

Another group of specialized cells now under study:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-11-mait-cells-foreign-invaders.html

"Melbourne researchers have identified what makes a specialised immune cell, known as mucosal-associated invariant T (MAIT), cells boost their numbers and attack foreign invaders at the site of the infection.

"T cells are a core component of the immune system, which recognise the presence of infectious agents through surface structures known as T cell receptors.

"While little is known about the exact role MAIT cells play, previous research from the Doherty Institute has shown they provide a layer of protection, which is particularly important if other arms of the immune system are compromised.

***

"'MAIT cells are in abundance in the human body (up to 10 per cent of the T cells in the blood), and differ from other T cells as they respond to vitamin-based metabolites (rather than peptides and lipids) that are generated when bacteria grow.

"They also sit, ready to act, in tissue sites, such as the lungs; a frequent site of infection. However, normal healthy bacteria also make these vitamin-based molecules, so MAIT cell immunity must be tightly regulated by a range of molecular signals so that they respond only when necessary.

***

"'We found that IL-23, an inflammatory cell signalling protein, was the key to MAIT cells expanding their army and attacking the infection which, in our experiments, was in the lungs," Dr. Huimeng Wang, lead author of the paper published today in Science Immunology.

"The models we used were quite definitive and the results were dramatic; we found that if you knock out the IL-23, there was very little MAIT cell response to the bacteria."

***

"'If you add a vitamin metabolite molecule, plus IL-23 we can reconstitute this dramatic response of MAIT cells that you see during infection, which results in enhanced protection," Dr. Corbett said.

"'In the enhanced protection, we saw the bacteria were cleared earlier, and the numbers of bacteria were reduced 100-fold five days following infection. In the elderly or immunocompromised, which is where infections with bacteria such as Legionella cause problems, this could be the difference between life and death.'"

Comment: Even more complexity designed into the immune system.

Immunity system complexity: cells limit magnesium

by David Turell @, Thursday, November 21, 2019, 20:45 (1612 days ago) @ David Turell

Magnesium is required for bacterial replication and growth. when bacteria get into cells the cells respond:

https://phys.org/news/2019-11-magnesium-deprivation-pathogen-growth.html

"When pathogens invade cells, our body combats them using various methods. Researchers at the University of Basel's Biozentrum have now been able to show how a cellular pump keeps such invading pathogens in check. As the researchers report in Science, this pump causes a magnesium shortage, which in turn restricts bacterial growth.

***

"Olivier Cunrath and Prof. Dirk Bumann at the Biozentrum, University of Basel, have now discovered that magnesium is crucial for bacterial growth inside host cells. Magnesium starvation is a stress factor for the bacteria, which stops their growth and replication. The host cells limit magnesium supply to these intracellular pathogens using a transport protein called NRAMP1.

***

"'It has been known for decades that NRAMP1 makes the host more resistant, but how and why has remained unclear," says Bumann. "We were greatly surprised to find that this transport protein pumps magnesium ions out of the vesicles and thus restricts Salmonella growth. This is a new and completely unexpected mechanism."

"As magnesium is a central component of many metabolic enzymes, a shortage reduces bacterial metabolism and growth. "Magnesium seems to be the Achilles heel for intracellular pathogens. The less magnesium is available, the harder they try to get it. The bacteria go on alert and activate all magnesium uptake systems. Nevertheless, they do not manage to get enough," says first author Cunrath. "However, if the pump in the host cells is defective, magnesium is available in sufficient quantities to enable rapid Salmonella growth."

"The function of NRAMP1 determines host susceptibility to infections. Animals and humans with reduced NRAMP1 are more susceptible to various intracellular pathogens. If this transporter is completely absent, even a very small number of pathogens can cause a fatal infection."

Comment: Another clever designed mechanism using a specific protein to control a cellular defense mechanism. Inside the cell is a place antibodies in the blood cannot act. This mechanism is necessary.

Immunity complexity: neurons and immune cells cooperate

by David Turell @, Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 23:53 (1585 days ago) @ David Turell

A previous entry mentioned acetylcholine in the immune process. new findings show why:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-12-eavesdropping-intimate-crosstalk-immune-nervous....

"It has long been known that mammals store memories in the nervous and immune systems. Asking whether the two systems worked together in response to infiltrators—foreign antigens—marks a new line of scientific inquiry.

"In their investigation, Feinstein researchers led by Dr. Kevin Tracey have found that antibody responses to immunization require sensory neurons.

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"As a result of their research, the team is proposing that a potent synergism exists between the two complex biological systems, providing a compelling new glimpse into barely charted territory.

"'The nervous system and immune system share many similar molecules and receptors," Tracey told Medical Xpress, noting that other teams of scientists also have begun to recognize how the two systems rely on each other.

"Multiple groups are studying how these two systems interact. For example, for decades we have studied how acetylcholine, a classic neurotransmitter made by neurons, is also made by T cells, a classic immune cell, and that monocytes express acetylcholine receptors that suppress cytokine production when acetylcholine is present.

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"He and his colleagues have found for the first time that sensory neurons are needed for antibody responses. They also have discovered that activation of these neurons enhance antibody production.

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"The Feinstein team conducted its research in animal models zeroing in on a special population of neurons—transient receptor potential vanilloid 1, more precisely known as TRPV1-expressing sensory neurons.

"'TRPV1 neurons classically are pain-sensing neurons that recognize heat and various noxious stimuli throughout the body, including the skin, joints and gastrointestinal tract. This is a surprising discovery that these neurons … are also producing and regulating antibodies, " Tracey said.

"'Sensory neurons have been shown by Cliff Woolf and Isacc Chiu at Harvard to participate in regulating inflammation during infections and in diseases like psoriasis," he added. "Our discovery is that they also regulate immunization, which is very surprising."

"Earlier this month, Dr. Isacc Chiu of Harvard Medical School proposed that it was time to time to adopt an expanded understanding of how the nervous and immune systems function synergistically. The nervous system isn't a mere watchdog that spots danger and alerts the body. The nervous system is an active participant in fighting infections, Chiu said.

Writing in the journal Cell, Chiu and colleagues demonstrated in laboratory mice infected with potentially deadly Salmonella the nervous "goes above and beyond" to fight the bacteria along with the immune system. Neurons regulate cellular gates that determine whether the microorganisms can pass in and out of the small intestine. Neurons also boost protective gut microbes, part of the small intestine's microbiome.

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"Technically, many species, including humans possess two immune system pillars: innate and adaptive immunity.

"Innate immunity is the immune system present at birth, the body's first line of defense against invasive organisms that cause infection. Innate immunity includes physical barriers, such as skin and mucous membranes. But there are infection-fighting and cells, such as macrophages, which phagocytose—gobble up –invaders.

"The innate system, while capable of annihilating infiltrators, lacks "memory" the mechanism required to remember the invader should it come calling again. Without this capacity, the body can't mount a response when a pathogen re-infects.

"Adaptive immunity, also called acquired immunity, develops over time. When it encounters re-infection with a foreign antigen, it "remembers" having seen the infiltrator in the past. Memory T cells are part of adaptive immunity. They quickly convert swarm the invader in a rapid response based on the "memory" of a past infection.

"Memory B cells produce a robust immune response when the antigen is encountered upon re-exposure, generating an explosion of antibodies that are specific to the infiltrating antigen.

"Tracey and Tynan say the adaptive response is grounded in communication with specific components of the central nervous system.

"'The research shows that sensory neurons are playing a key role in generating a specific antibody response," Tynan said. "This is the first time that we are able to demonstrate the nervous system and the adaptive immune system are communicating with each other."

Comment: A complex very effective design.

Immunity complexity: mucosal T cells

by David Turell @, Monday, December 23, 2019, 18:50 (1580 days ago) @ David Turell

Specialized protective cells studied:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-12-insights-armies-strategically-stationed-cells.html

"The immune system mounts robust responses to infections, vaccines and cancer, but only now have scientists fully begun to unravel how non-circulating populations of T cells that reside in the body's "mucosal barrier tissues" keeps threats at bay.

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"...the body has armies of T cells that stake out posts in mucosal tissues—and they don't stray from these local compartments. These mucosal tissues can be found at vulnerable ports of entry into the body—the mouth, anus and vagina—as well as other important areas where disease exposure is a possibility and inflammation is likely.

"The Hutchinson scientists zeroed in on a receptor dubbed CCR5+ and demonstrated that even when this T cell component is inhibited, the T cell in its mucosal compartment remains fully functional—fighting infection and thwarting cancer.

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"Our data suggest that the human CCR5+ tissue-resident memory T cell compartment is functionally and spatially equipped to maintain barrier immunity," the Hutchinson team wrote.

"The human body's mucosal barriers are first lines of defense—physical barriers of immune system protection. The mucosal barriers have been defined as some of most efficient and elegant forms of nature's biological engineering. For instance, the gastric mucosal barrier, wrote Dr. Kenneth E.L. McColl in 2012, "is an example of superb natural engineering" because it has to withstand a most hostile chemical environment of highly acidic and proteolytic gastric juice, which rapidly kills swallowed microorganisms and breaks down ingested foods." (my bold)

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"Resident T cells also are found in the cervicovaginal tract, a potential port of entry for viral pathogens, particularly HIV and herpes simplex virus, among others. T cells that reside in barrier mucosal tissues are important because they are non-circulating and provide local defense against viruses, Prlic and colleagues say.

"CCR5+, which stands for chemokine receptor 5, is a cell receptor on activated T cells, which orchestrates how immune cells migrate to sites of inflammation in the body.

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"They concluded: "The human tissue-resident CCR5 T cell compartment maintains protective and functional properties during inflammation.'"

Comment: Another complex layer of immune protection is outlined requiring specialized protein molecules which a chance process could not find in the millions of molecules possible. Note my bold about the gastric lining. Gastric juice is like battery acid. A stepwise development of the acid and protection for the lining is impossible. Only design fits.

Immunity complexity: immune cells help rebuilding

by David Turell @, Tuesday, February 11, 2020, 18:17 (1530 days ago) @ David Turell

When the body is damaged immune cells, which are generally thought of as invader destroyers, are part of the helpful inflammatory reaction repair mechanism:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/immune-cell-assassins-reveal-their-nurturing-side-20200211/

"After a heart attack, patients are increasingly often offered the option of stem cell therapy, in which stem cells from their bone marrow are injected into the heart to help it heal. Skeptics, however, point out that solid evidence of the therapy’s benefits is lacking: It’s worked modestly in some animal studies, but its effectiveness is uncertain, and scientists have only been able to guess at how it helps if it does.

"Last November, a team of cardiologists set out to provide some clarity on this controversial treatment. Instead, their work found evidence that some immune system cells play a nurturing, healing role that is far removed from their familiar calling as bloodthirsty protectors of the body.

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"The protective benefit of the treatment didn’t come from a regenerative effect of the stem cells, the researchers realized. It came instead from the inflammatory immune response, which seemed to set up what Molkentin calls “a second wave of healing.”

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"The cells that delivered the healing boost to the hearts of the mice are a subset of what are called tissue-resident macrophages.

"Unlike the macrophages that circulate in the blood and look for pathogens, these cells migrate into the heart during embryonic development and remain there for the rest of their lives. Over the past decade or so, evidence has accumulated that they perform a variety of tasks, such as aiding in the maturation of coronary vasculature and maintaining a proper heartbeat.

“'They’re doing activities that are not normally associated with immunology, such as helping tissues reshape and change in response to stresses, or repair and regenerate, or even conduct electricity,” said Kory Lavine, an assistant professor...

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"The heart is not unique. In fact, most tissues and organs in the body have their own cache of tissue-resident macrophages. They have been found to carry out key functions, as if they were a part of the organ in which they reside. In the brain, for example, they remove axons and aid in the pruning of synapses during development. Those in adipose tissue help to regulate body heat. Macrophages have even been found to aid in the recycling of iron in the spleen and liver.

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"But almost from the time of their discovery, scientists have noted that subpopulations of these NK cells [natural killer]reside full time in the liver, skin, kidney and uterus. And unlike their deadly cousins, these cells don’t kill.

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“'For a long time, people thought of the immune system as basically what’s in your blood,” Haniffa said. “Then they realized that your immune system doesn’t just exist in your blood, it exists in every tissue.” Moreover, the immune system cells embedded in tissues and even among your microbiota are in communication. The cells in the brain called microglia have traditionally not been recognized as part of the immune system, but they consume cellular debris like macrophages. They have also been shown to respond to signals from gut microbiota. “We should view the immune system as a bit like a matrix that exists in the entire body,” Haniffa said.

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"Haniffa found that a trove of immune cells was present very early in human development, which she thinks could signify that the cells have an important part to play in the development of tissues. She points out that mast cells, which are traditionally involved in allergic reactions, show up in the yolk sac during the first trimester. Why would they be there when allergy is not typically an issue for embryos? But mast cells have been also implicated in blood vessel development in cancer, so Haniffa wonders whether they might have something to do with healthy blood vessel formation too."

Comment: The immune system is much more than originally thought. It is designed to multitask, which makes sense, since after any injury the inflammatory reaction has to use all the necessary inflammation cells to help is rebuilding damage tissues.

Immunity complexity: Controlling degree of response

by David Turell @, Friday, February 14, 2020, 01:01 (1527 days ago) @ David Turell

Attack intensely or just a little. Immune cells make these decisions:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200213090722.htm

"Scientists and physicians have long known that immune cells migrate to the site of an infection, which individuals experience as inflammation -- swelling, redness and pain. Now, Northwestern University and University of Washington researchers have uncovered new evidence that this gathering is not just a consequence of immune activation. Immune cells count their neighbors before deciding whether or not the immune system should kick into high gear.

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"The body's immune system is constantly working to maintain a delicate balance. When a threat is introduced, the system needs to respond strongly enough to fight off infection or disease but not so strongly that it causes harm.

"'When it comes to immune responses, it's the difference between life and death," Leonard said. "If your body over-responds to a bacterial infection, then you could die from septic shock. If your body doesn't respond enough, then you could die from rampant infection. Staying healthy requires the body to strike a balance between these extremes."

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"To explore this phenomenon, the researchers examined macrophages, a type of immune cell that is part of the first line of defense for combatting infection and disease. They observed how macrophages responded to a chemical produced by bacteria -- a red flag that alerts the body to the presence of infection -- using techniques that enabled the researchers to watch individual cells' responses over time. They then used computational models to help interpret and explain these observations.

"'Over time, the cells observe their surroundings to get a sense of their neighbors," Muldoon said. "Each cell becomes poised to respond as a high activator or not. Now that we know there's this additional layer controlling the immune system, it opens up a whole avenue to study whether there are new targets for immunomodulation."

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"'Biology has evolved so many fascinating and surprising ways to control complex processes," Leonard said."

Comment: Note the final entry. Of course there have to be controls: an out of control immune response could trigger severe autoimmunity and kill the host organism. Just as in blood clotting there are controlling feedback factors to produce just the right amount of activity. This is not a mechanism that can be developed by chance. It has to designed all At once to be perfect in its function or here will be death. Without accuratde feedback systems life could not exist. Design required.

Immunity complexity: cells do their own thing

by David Turell @, Monday, April 13, 2020, 23:52 (1467 days ago) @ David Turell

Cells on mucous membranes have some defenses of their own outside of the usual immune protections:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200413165618.htm

"Cells in some of the body's most vulnerable entry routes to bacterial infection buffer themselves when the immune system detects danger by reorganizing the cholesterol on their surfaces, a new study led by UTSW scientists suggests.

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"Scientists have long known that the mucus membranes that line the intestines, lungs, and other sites play a key role in protecting the body from systemic infection. But exactly how the immune system enhances the defensive properties of so-called mucosal epithelial cells to block infectious agents, such as bacteria, is unclear...

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"Because immune cells, such as macrophages, are typically found in close proximity to mucosal epithelia, Alto and his colleagues wondered whether these cells might secrete a molecule that helps epithelial cells heighten their defenses when the immune system detects a threat, such as an infectious microbe.

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"When the researchers broadly surveyed gene activity in the macrophages, they found that one in particular, called cholesterol 25-hydroxylase (CH25H), became significantly more active when confronted with L. monocytogenes. Further tests showed that the small molecule produced by this gene was key for preventing epithelial infection.

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"Radhakrishnan explains that CH25H changes cholesterol, which normally doesn't mix at all with water, to produce a form called 25-hydroxycholesterol (25HC) that does slightly mix with water. This property of 25HC is exploited to regulate the amount of cholesterol, an essential lipid in every cell in the body. Some of 25HC's functions include turning down the activity of genes involved in cholesterol synthesis and activating an enzyme that converts cholesterol to a form that can be stored in cells.

"Surprisingly, when the researchers treated epithelial cells with 25HC, they found that total cholesterol in these cells didn't change during the time period of their experiments. However, using two different types of sensor molecules -- one that attaches to cholesterol on the cell surface that's accessible, and another that detects cholesterol on the cell surface that's inaccessible because it's bound by other lipids -- Alto, Radhakrishnan, and their colleagues discovered that 25HC depletes the accessible cell-surface cholesterol, pulling it inside the cell.

"'Within one hour of treatment, the accessible form of cholesterol was severely depleted from the cell surface," says Radhakrishnan. "By four hours, it was completely gone."

"The depletion of accessible cholesterol was essential to protect epithelial cells from L. monocytogenes, Alto says, reliably bolstering the cells' defenses. When the scientists treated the depleted cells with an enzyme that converted the inaccessible cholesterol on the cell surface to an accessible form, the cells became susceptible to infection again.

"This defense mechanism worked not only against L. monocytogenes but also Shigella flexneri, a bacterial pathogen that causes a disease called shigellosis, highlighting the broadly antimicrobial nature of this protection."

Comment: Another amazingly complex protective mechanism which had to be in place beforethese bacteria could attack. Only design fits

Immunity complexity: gut organisms direct T cells

by David Turell @, Wednesday, March 15, 2023, 19:18 (402 days ago) @ David Turell

new surprising discovery:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/gut-bacteria-help-t-cells-heal-muscle-study-...

"According to a study published February 22 in Immunity, T cells that normally reside in the mouse colon play a crucial role in tissue regeneration—and rely on gut microbes to do so. Without these helpful microbes, the study suggests, inflammation could get out of control, preventing healing and causing fibrosis.

“'The main message of the paper is that the microbiota is influencing your immune system and your general health in a way larger way than we appreciated before,” says Bola Hanna, an immunologist at Harvard Medical School. Hanna studies regulatory T cells, a class of immune cells found in tissues throughout the body. He describes regulatory T cells as the “peacekeepers” of the immune system because they rein in other immune cells, ensuring inflammation doesn’t get out of control.

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"Colon T cells have many roles, including ensuring that the other immune cells don’t attack the helpful microbes living there. They also play a role in metabolism and digestion.

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"The cells didn’t just go to the muscle; they traveled to other areas of the body, including the organs, the team observed. And after an injury, tagged cells appeared in the damaged tissue, suggesting that cells from the colon had indeed traveled to the muscle.

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"Using flow cytometry, they found higher levels of IL-17, an inflammatory cytokine, in the wounds of these mice following injury in comparison to normal mice. Unregulated levels of IL-17 have been linked to delayed wound healing.

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"Hanna calls the finding that gut microbes play a pivotal role in wound healing “really cool.”

"The team also explored the role of gut-derived regulatory T cells in other forms of healing, finding that these microbiota-activated cells don’t just help muscles heal after injury; they also work to heal the liver from damage. In mouse models of nonalcoholic fatty liver disease, regulatory T cells helped slow inflammation, and their functioning was dependent on the microbiome.

"Hanna says that “this work raises a question about the use of antibiotic treatment, since colon regulatory T cells are highly dependent on microbiota. We might have to be judicious about whether we use antibiotics in the case of tissue injury.” This might be especially relevant to patients just after surgery or those with severe wounds, since both groups often receive antibiotics. In addition, IL-17 is linked to autoimmune disorders and increased tumorigenesis, meaning the gut could also play a role in other inflammatory disorders.

“I’m personally intrigued by the beauty of this cross-communication that we have in our body,” says Hanna. “They are impacting us in ways beyond our understanding.”

Comment: Those T cells, exposed to all sorts of varieties of bacteria, are excellent candidates for recruitment to fight bacteria. An example of designed automatic action. There are too many parts for chance mutations to create this mechanism.

Immunity system complexity: adaptive immunity

by David Turell @, Saturday, March 14, 2020, 01:52 (1498 days ago) @ David Turell

A newborn is protected by the Mother's colostrum, if it nurses. Thereafter the newborn immune system must learn to know all the challenges by experiencing them, or by being vaccinated:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-principles-vertebrate-immunity.html

"All vertebrates, including humans, developed a very sophisticated self-protection device, the adaptive immune system. Specialized immune cells called T cells and B cells detect and destroy invading pathogens. One of its key features and its secret weapon is immunological memory. The cells remember infections leading to an even more efficient reaction to the same pathogen when re-exposed.

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"The scientists know that all vertebrates share the two lineages of T and B cells that are equipped with receptors capable of recognizing foreign structures, often referred to as antigens. Because the immune system has to distinguish between very different types of antigens, the structures of the receptors also vary; they are made up of similar but not identical building blocks that are produced in a random fashion during the development of T and B cells.

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"The CDA2 gene is of great interest to immunologists, because it is related to a gene, called AID, of jawed vertebrates that helps to refine the specificity of their antibodies. "It seems, that nature has chosen molecules from a shared tool-kit to support the formation of useful antibodies in both types of vertebrates."

Comment: this study is primarily one that looks at evolution and eh development of memory system that allows for the development of precise antibodies to attack intruders. The control of this process requires both functional information and specific instructions.

Immunity system complexity: T cells memory

by David Turell @, Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 21:47 (1467 days ago) @ David Turell

A new study showing how they develop:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200414122750.htm

"The discovery that immune T cells have a spectrum of responsiveness could shed light on how our immune system responds to infections and cancer, and what goes wrong in immune diseases. Researchers found that T cells responded very differently to immune signals the more 'training' they had been exposed to.

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"T cells are key white blood cells that fight infection and disease, and act like police directing the immune system response. Babies are born with inexperienced -- naïve -- T cells, which change as they come into contact with bacteria or viruses, to create specific memory T cells that can 'remember' fighting against these infections. These memory T cells can then react more quickly the next time they meet the same threat, telling the immune system to remove the infection rapidly. This is how vaccination protects against disease, by delivering a safe form of an invading virus or bacterium, to train our immune system by building up specific memory T cells.

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"The researchers discovered that instead of having a simple switch, from naïve to memory cell, there appeared to be a whole continuum of T cell development. They revealed that the more often a T cell had been activated by one signal, the further along the line of memory T cell development -- its 'training' -- it was, and the faster it could respond to that specific signal.

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" 'Previously people thought that memory T cells had two stages of development, but we discovered there is a whole spectrum of memory experience. From naïve T cells that have never been activated, to highly trained memory T cells which can react quickly, and many intermediate T cells in between. This spectrum not only affects how fast a cell can respond, but even what signals it can respond to."

"The study showed the T cells also had a continuum of responsiveness to other chemical signals, revealing they were less specialised than previously thought. They found that even highly trained memory T cells could be triggered by other, new immune signals.

"The researchers discovered that some signals created very different responses in memory cells, depending on their experience level. When a specific chemical signal (transforming growth factor -TGF) was added to naïve T cells, they responded by producing regulatory T cells to calm down the immune system. However, the same chemical had the opposite effect on experienced memory cells, triggering them to release more chemicals that cause inflammation."

Comment: Fighting infections is a lifelong battle. T cells are beautifully designed for the
battle, but not perfectly. They can overreact and cause autoimmune diseases.

Immunity system complexity: how sensor TLR8 works

by David Turell @, Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 21:58 (1466 days ago) @ David Turell

A new discovery fighting intracellular bacteria:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/04/200414122826.htm

"Until now, the immune sensor TLR8 has remained in the shadows of science. A research team led by the University of Bonn has now discovered how this sensor plays an important role in defending human cells against intruders. The enzymes RNaseT2 and RNase2 cut ribonucleic acids (RNAs) of bacteria into small fragments that are as characteristic as a thumbprint. Only then can TLR8 recognize the dangerous pathogens and initiate countermeasures.

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" Like a radar system, the immune sensor with the scientific name Toll-like Receptor 8 or "TLR8" monitors whether tell-tale ribonucleic acids (RNA) appear during the recycling of dead cells or ingestion of live pathogens, indicating foreign invaders. This is because, as in a digestive process, complete cells and cell components that are no longer needed are taken up and broken down into their individual components and reassembled into new cell structures. If bacteria or other pathogens are hiding in these components, their different RNAs will appear on the radar screen of TLR8 during the recycling process.

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"...the researchers discovered two important tools of the immune system: RNaseT2 and RNase2. Both enzymes ensure that the immune sensor TLR8 is able to detect the tell-tale ribonucleic acids of bacteria and malaria in the first place. "You can perhaps picture long RNA as balls of wool, the loose end is not really visible," explains Thomas Zillinger, another lead author of the work from Prof. Hartmann's group. As long as the RNA are present as tangled balls, their sequence cannot be identified. TLR8 can only detect whether RNA comes from the host or an intruder once it has been broken down into readable fragments by RNaseT2 and RNase2.

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"'The interaction of RNaseT2 and RNase2 with the immune sensor TLR8 is a key element of the immune response against pathogens inside cells," says Bartok."

Comment: Intracellular bacteria are more of a problem than extracellular bacteria. tis complex defense mechanism must have been designed for living organ isms, or they would not have survived.

Immunity system complexity: a short summary

by David Turell @, Thursday, April 16, 2020, 01:08 (1465 days ago) @ David Turell

Skimming through a review of our troops:

https://evolutionnews.org/2020/04/physicians-diary-our-remarkable-healing-processes-and...

"Normally, billions of white cells, including complex B and T lymphocytes, neutrophils, macrophages, dendritic cells, and plasma cells, stand guard throughout the body. They are like sentinels with a whole host of weapons in hand. When confronted by a foreign intruder, they quickly determine if this new protein, DNA or RNA particle, bacteria, fungus, virus, or a changed cell (cancer) is a friend or foe. If they deem it worrisome, they immediately punch holes in it with tiny grenades called “complement” and tear it apart, figuratively limb-by-limb. Select pieces are sent back to the rear-lines (lymph nodes) for analysis.

"The analysis leads to manufacturing antibodies, often Y-shaped chemicals to capture all or part of the intruder in the wedge of the Y. Antibodies will often attach to invaders at specific locations along their outer shell. Think of a submicroscopic porcupine rolled into a ball. If the virus foreigner were covered with triangular spikes, the antibodies might have “catcher’s mitts” with triangular-shaped pouches. Electrical charges and specific chemical bonds also play a role.

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"Newly manufactured, shorter-lived antibodies are the first on the scene. Days to weeks later, smaller, often lifelong, antibodies begin arriving. They may also become part of your permanent immunity.

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"If there is an overwhelming army of invaders, the sentinels will send for emergency reinforcements. White cells, like the cavalry, rapidly arrive by the millions. They travel through lymph channels, race from other organs, and squeeze in and out of blood vessels. Pus is often the result of these battles. This material is composed of millions of dead invaders and white cells, various bodily fluids, and all sorts of spent biological weapons, tools, and chemicals. Recall teenage pimples or any abscess; the fight is concluded when the body moves these pus pockets to the skin surface for drainage.

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"Millions of different foreign proteins enter our body every day through breaks in the skin, our gums and gut while eating, our nose and lungs while inhaling, and even through portals in the eyes from another person’s sneeze or cough. Most intruders are benign. Many others are non-life threatening irritants, as with allergies, which prompt a slightly different response. The deadly invasions, of course, must be confronted immediately.

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"Vaccines prompt the body to make antibodies by mimicking aspects of the virus, but the trick is creating the right antibodies. Sometimes, the created antibodies get in the way. Hyperimmune globulin (IGG, consisting of antibodies collected from donors) was used during the polio epidemic in the 1950s; it was given to patients with the worst cases, with paralysis, and many improved."

Comment: A fantastic system, designed for great protection. Yes, designed, not by chance. The author is wrong about how IGG was used. I was one of several senior medical students in the summer before school started up again, who worked for the N.Y. State Health Department and gave hundreds of well kids the IGG by injections in the butt. Hard to do. My hand was sore each day from pushing ice cold thick liquid into the kids. They did n't enjoy it either, but it broke the epidemic in the areas we visited over weekends, being bused from our regular jobs in Syracuse, N.Y.

Immunity system complexity: lymphocytes as autoimmune

by David Turell @, Sunday, April 19, 2020, 23:13 (1461 days ago) @ David Turell

Mistakes can happen:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-specific-population-lymphocytes-autoimmune-disea...

"Autoimmune disease is a result of an imbalance of the immune system that includes breakdown of several mechanisms that normally prevent disease. The groups working at Biomedicum now discovered that a population of cells that normally block autoimmunity can switch function to instead promote disease. This is due to a combination of inflammation and specific stimulation through glycolipids. The study shows that a group of lymphocytes known as iNKT cells, that normally prevent autoreactive B cells from secreting pathogenic antibodies, lost this ability and instead took on the role of supporting these B cells. This included loss of interaction with neutrophils that normally regulate their function and enhancement of Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA) in a model of this disease.

"The team identified a switch in iNKT cells when they were stimulated with glycolipid agonist alpha-galactosylceramide (aGalCer) and the inflammatory cytokine IL-18. iNKT cells displayed lower levels of the transcription factor GATA3 and simultaneously an increase in the transcription factor BCL6, together with cell surface expression of CXCR5 and PD-1, a classical follicular T helper phenotype. This phenotype promoted germinal center B cell responses that resulted in immunoglobulin (Ig) class switch. The authors also observed an increase in autoreactive anti-DNA antibodies belonging to the subclasses IgG2b, IgG3 and IgE. Using a reporter system where B cells that undergo the germinal center response upregulate human specific markers, the authors demonstrate that combined glycolipid and inflammatory stimulation of iNKT cells in vivo, results in more B cell undergoing the GC response. Also, normally regulatory iNKT cells interact with neutrophils to regulate B cells but the authors found that this interaction was lost during this switch in function (Figure 1). To validate that this switch in iNKT cells was sufficient to drive autoimmunity, the team used a model for collagen-induced arthritis, where co-administration of aGalCer and IL-18 resulted in early onset RA and increased immune cell activation."

Comment: It is important to note that at times living processes make mistakes. It is obvious God did not produce biological perfection, due to the rapid speed of coordinated reactions. God knew this, which is why we have the brains we have to try and solve the problems that crop up. Autobiological note: I have autoimmune rheumatoid arthritis controlled by a medication humans invented.

Immunity system complexity: how infecton turns it on

by David Turell @, Friday, December 09, 2022, 21:08 (497 days ago) @ David Turell

Agentic switch is found:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-12-epigenetic-emergency-defense-infections.html

"If the emergency program of hematopoiesis starts up in the body, this signals an alarm state of the immune system and serves two different purposes: Compared to hematopoiesis in "normal mode," the emergency program results in increased replenishment of immune cells that are consumed during infections or inflammations. In addition, the emergency program puts the entire immune system into a pre-activation that helps clear infections more quickly.

"Characteristic of the emergency program are, for example, an increased division rate of blood stem cells and a shift in the balance of mature white blood cells in favor of myeloid cells (macrophages and granulocytes). Normally, the emergency program is triggered by typical molecular components of pathogens or by pro-inflammatory messenger substances such as certain interferons.

"But what happens in the blood stem cells and progenitor cells? Is there a cellular switch that triggers the emergency program? Scientists led by Nikolaus Dietlein and Hans-Reimer Rodewald of the German Cancer Research Center targeted a specific epigenetic modification, abbreviated H2Bub1.

"It is involved in switching on genes that are activated by interferon as a result of a viral infection and that are important for the defense against infection. The modification, which attaches to the packaging proteins of the DNA, the histones, is removed again by the enzyme USP22.

"Could H2Bub1 and USP22 be the sought-after switch that triggers the emergency program in the blood stem cell? The researchers led by Rodewald investigated this in mice in whose blood stem cells USP22 was genetically switched off. In these animals, the emergency program of hematopoiesis with all its key features ran without any detectable infection or increased interferon levels.

"The genetically modified animals were better able to fight off infection with the bacterium Listeria monocytogenes than normal mice. In addition, important scavenger cells in their blood, neutrophil granulocytes, were more successful at engulfing bacteria.

"As expected, the genetic material in the blood cells of the gene-modified animals also had significantly more of the epigenetic H2Bub1 modifications. "The increased H2Bub1 level seems to be the alarm button that puts the immune system on standby. In particular, this puts the innate immune defense, which is especially important during initial contact with a pathogen, into heightened defense alert," says Nikolaus Dietlein, first author of the current publication. USP22, which removes the H2Bub1 modification, terminates the alert in normal animals.

"H2Bub1 and USP22 are also found in human cells and, according to current research, perform comparable functions there to those in mice."

Comment: all newborns come with this protective system. Over time as this system meets new bugs a library of precise antibodies for future reference is built up.

Immunity system complexity: triggers for initial reactions

by David Turell @, Wednesday, May 13, 2020, 19:38 (1438 days ago) @ David Turell

Another complex molecular system:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-component-innate-immune.html

"How cells recognize pathogens and alert the immune system swiftly is a fundamental process of high importance for the survival of any species, including humans. A key role is ascribed to so-called adapters—little molecular platforms inside cells where signals from pathogen detectors are integrated for safety and accuracy and conveyed to lasting signals leading to the activation of the major "red alarm" genes, like interferons.

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'The new protein, named TASL, is indispensable for the signaling of so-called Toll-like receptors (TLR) in the endosomes leading to activation of the gene-activator IRF5 in certain immune cells. Sensitive 'tuning' of the machinery is highly important as too much output causes inflammation also in the absence of the pathogen, as occurs in auto-immune diseases. This particular version of the machinery seems particularly associated with disorders such as systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE).

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"In their study, first author Leonhard Heinz and the team, including Boehringer Ingelheim researchers in Ridgefield, undertook a precise investigative work, not taking for granted previous findings on SLC15A4 and the connection to this group of specially located TLRs. They painstakingly determined by biochemistry and mass spectrometry the molecular interactions that involved SLC15A4. This led to the identification of an uncharacterized protein CXorf21, belonging to the functionally orphan genes that are merely numbered and assigned to the chromosome of origin. The gene, like SLC15A4, had been previously loosely associated with SLE.

"The team demonstrated that the interaction between TASL and SLC15A4 was crucial for the localization and function of the TASL protein and could pinpoint the precise involved portions of both proteins. A eureka moment for the understanding of the protein came with the observation that TASL harbors a specific motif essential for the recruitment and activation of IRF5. "After STING, MAVS and TRIF, the new protein TASL is the fourth key innate immunity adaptor functioning as a platform for the encounter of a kinase and a gene activator of the IRF family," says Manuele Rebsamen, CeMM senior postdoctoral fellow and project leader of the study."

Comment: Once again we see a complex set of specified molecular reactions by precise molecules. Since organisms must be able to fight dangerous infections when they first appear in evolution, this mechanism must have been there from the beginning, and therefor designed, since chance is so unlikely to find this series of molecules and its purpose.

Immunity system complexity: many different cell types

by David Turell @, Thursday, June 04, 2020, 23:56 (1415 days ago) @ David Turell

Acting in different ways for as complete infection control as possible:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6495/1052.full

"One of the most important traits of immune host defense against pathogens is memory, which improves survival if the same pathogen is reencountered. However, immune memory can also be deleterious, driving autoimmune diseases and the rejection of transplanted organs. Memory characteristics have been considered a fundamental property of adaptive immune cells such as T and B lymphocytes. However, innate immune cells such as myeloid cells and natural killer (NK) cells can also adapt to previous encounters with pathogens through epigenetic, transcriptional, and functional reprogramming, called trained immunity. The discovery of this innate immune memory emerged from studies with live vaccines and was described as being largely nonspecific. Dai et al. reveal that monocytes and macrophages acquire specific memory and induce organ rejection in mice, which could be prevented to improve transplantation outcomes.

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"It is important to note that in both vertebrates and invertebrates, the Ig superfamily [immune globulins] of molecules is often the pillar mediating specificity of the innate immune memory responses. Indeed, PIR-A, B cell receptors, immunoglobulins, and T cell receptors share a similar type of structure, which argues for an evolutionary continuum of memory specificity in innate and adaptive immune responses. (my bold)

"Ig-based specific immune responses complement the more primitive nonspecific trained immunity-mediated memory. The increased responsiveness provided by trained immunity after certain infections or vaccinations can induce protection against both specific and heterologous infections. Yet, in conditions characterized by excessive immune responses, such as inflammatory and autoimmune diseases and organ transplant rejection, enhanced innate immune responses can aggravate the pathological consequences of inflammation. It is crucial to know the roles played by innate immune cells in transplant rejection, in order to target it and improve survival.

"The findings of Dai et al. have several implications that go beyond transplantation. If monocytes and macrophages can develop specific memory to MHC-I–presented antigens, this reveals possible therapeutic approaches in organ transplantation, but also autoimmune and inflammatory diseases. In addition, it is intriguing to hypothesize whether specific innate immune memory responses could also form against pathogens, as proposed for NK cells in response to viral infections.

"Macrophages are heterogeneous tissue-resident cells: Yolk sac– and fetal liver monocyte–derived tissue-resident macrophages colonize different tissues during embryonic development. These are long-lived and able to self-renew, so the specific characteristics of these macrophages rely on their niche. For example, lung macrophages are exposed to airway antigens, whereas Kupffer cells in the liver are exposed to gut-derived molecules. The phenotype of a microglial cell in the brain greatly differs from that of a peritoneal macrophage. The potential ability of these and other myeloid cell subsets to develop different types of immunological memory to antigens could offer additional evidence for their different functions across tissues and help to explain the development of different types of memory responses to the same antigens in different locations. (my bold)

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"If monocytes and macrophages develop antigen-specific memory to antigens presented by donor-derived MHC-I molecules, it is likely that these and other myeloid cells can develop immunological memory to self- and nonself antigens of different sources. Given the variety of receptors expressed by the different types of myeloid cells, the implications of these mechanisms could encompass many processes beyond organ transplantation, including the response to pathogens, vaccines, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, or the development of allergies. Dai et al. identified several families of polymorphic Ig superfamily receptors that could bind to MHC-I molecules. The extension of this search to other receptors that can bind antigens of a different nature could lead to the identification of other structures with the potential to trigger or block antigen-specific memory in myeloid cells, potentially offering a new set of targets for immunotherapy."

Comment: Note my second bold. The immune cells can learn to fight thousands of different antigens depending upon the organs they find themselves placed in. It is all an automatic set of responses, without which organisms would not survive. It has to have been designed early in evolution as the first bold indicates.

Immunity system complexity: nasal protections

by David Turell @, Friday, June 05, 2020, 19:21 (1415 days ago) @ David Turell

The olfactory neurons have special protections to spare the brain from viral infections:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-microglia-olfactory-bulb-nose-brain.html

"'Airborne viruses challenge our immune system all the time, but rarely do we see viral infections leading to neurological conditions," said Dr. McGavern. "This means that the immune system within this area has to be remarkably good at protecting the brain."

"Additional experiments showed that microglia, immune cells within the central nervous system, took on an underappreciated role of helping the immune system recognize the virus and did so in a way that limited the damage to neurons themselves. This sparing of neurons is critical, because unlike cells in most other tissues, most neuronal populations do not come back.

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"'If a virus infects the processes of neurons that dangle within the airway, there is a chance for this virus to enter the brain, and ultimately cause encephalitis or meningitis," said Dr. McGavern. "We are interested in understanding immune responses that develop at the interface between nasal olfactory neurons, which end in the olfactory bulb, and the rest of the brain."

"Dr. McGavern's team was able to show that CD8 T cells, which are part of the immune system responsible for controlling viruses, are very important in protecting the brain after infection of nasal tissue. Using advanced microscopy, his group watched in real time how CD8 T cells protected the brain from a nasal virus infection.

"Interestingly, the CD8 T cells did not appear to interact directly with neurons, the predominately infected cell population. They instead engaged microglia, which are central nervous system immune cells that act a bit like garbage collectors by clearing cellular debris and dead cell material. When a viral infection occurs, the microglia appear to take up virus material from the surrounding environment and present it to the immune system as though they had become infected.

"In this way, infected olfactory neurons can "hand off" virus particles to microglia, which were then detected by the T cells. The T cells then respond by releasing antiviral molecules that clear the virus from neurons in a way that does not kill the cells. Because microglia are a renewable cell type, this type of interaction makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint.

"'The immune system has developed strategies to favor the preservation of neurons at all costs," said Dr. McGavern. "Here, we show that microglia can 'take the blow' from neurons by engaging T cells, which then allows the antiviral program to play out."

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"It is important to note that widespread infection of the olfactory sensory neurons, whether by the novel coronavirus, the virus used in this study, or any other similar virus, will likely disrupt our sense of smell. However, unlike other neurons in the central nervous system, these sensory neurons that begin in the nose and end in the brain are capable of regenerating after an infection is cleared.

"'The immune response we describe does not protect olfactory sensory neurons nor the sense of smell," explained Dr. McGavern. "This is not necessarily a long-term issue, because those sensory neurons can be replaced once the virus is dealt with. What is critical is to protect the brain and central nervous system from encephalitis or meningitis—our sense of smell can often be repaired over time.'"

Comment: Another specifically designed system to protect the brain in which neurons can be reproduced quickly, while in general neurons are not reproduced except in the hippocampus.

Immunity system complexity: APRIL protein necessaryl

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 06, 2020, 00:34 (1414 days ago) @ David Turell

Without it plasmacytes don't produce immmunoglobulins:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200602110119.htm

"The immune system depends on a complex interaction between various cells for proper functioning. In a new study, researchers from Tokyo Medical and Dental University (TMDU) discovered that an absence of the protein APRIL in humans results in the underdevelopment of antibody-producing plasmacytes causing common variable immunodeficiency (CVID), a condition which is characterized by increased susceptibility to infections of affected patients.

"Plasmacytes, whose lifelong task is to keep producing immunoglobulins, are a key component of the immune system. They develop when B cells, a type of immune cell, are activated by T cells and other blood cells, called myeloid cells, and switch from producing low-quality to high-quality antibodies. Because each plasmacyte produces one specific antibody, their development is closely regulated and thus depends on a complex interaction between B cells and myeloid cells. A protein that is part of this process is APRIL (A PRoliferation-Inducing Ligand), which is produced by myeloid cells to induce the development of plasmacytes from B cells. Could defects in APRIL result in immunodeficiency in humans? Until now this was unknown."

Comment: How did chance evolution find just the right molecule to run this process? Only design fits.

Immunity system complexity: neutrophiles and heavy traffic

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 06, 2020, 14:56 (1414 days ago) @ David Turell

They avoid jams by controlling the flow:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6495/1077.5

"Neutrophils are the most abundant immune cell in the circulation and are typically the first responders to sites of infection or injury. How large numbers of neutrophils can efficiently travel through capillary networks is a mystery. Wang et al. investigated neutrophil trafficking in mouse liver using intravital microscopy and found that groups of neutrophils diverged at capillary bifurcations by traveling in an alternating pattern. This phenomenon was then studied in a controlled fashion using microfluidic chips connected to a chemoattractant chamber. Neutrophils were able to bias the decisions made by their companions at bifurcations by altering both hydraulic resistance and chemoattractant gradients. It is likely that similar mechanisms are widely used to coordinate complex immune responses."

Comment: Designed intelligent responses to traffic flow. dhw will say each cell knows what it is doing and thinks about what to do.

Immunity system complexity: neutrophiles and heavy traffic

by dhw, Sunday, June 07, 2020, 10:30 (1413 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Designed intelligent responses to traffic flow. dhw will say each cell knows what it is doing and thinks about what to do.

Daft! How often do I have to explain to you that in cell communities there are cells that give instructions and cells that obey instructions. The vast majority of our actions and those of our fellow organisms are automatic, but the ORIGIN of those actions will have been the intelligent response of the cell communities to changing conditions. (See "brain expansion" on origins).I wrote a parenthesis two days ago on the brain expansion thread precisely in order to stop you making such silly statements: “NB please note the distinction between the autonomous power of thought and the automatic mechanism for implementation of thought” to which I added information-gathering yesterday.

Immunity system complexity: neutrophiles and heavy traffic

by David Turell @, Sunday, June 07, 2020, 19:09 (1413 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Designed intelligent responses to traffic flow. dhw will say each cell knows what it is doing and thinks about what to do.

dhw: Daft! How often do I have to explain to you that in cell communities there are cells that give instructions and cells that obey instructions. The vast majority of our actions and those of our fellow organisms are automatic, but the ORIGIN of those actions will have been the intelligent response of the cell communities to changing conditions. (See "brain expansion" on origins).I wrote a parenthesis two days ago on the brain expansion thread precisely in order to stop you making such silly statements: “NB please note the distinction between the autonomous power of thought and the automatic mechanism for implementation of thought” to which I added information-gathering yesterday.

Note my bold. With neutophiles responding a call to action they are responding to an automatic chemical signals from automatically responding immune cells to come to a certain spot where injury or infection have appeared. They carefully do not traffic jam. Where is thought involved?

Immunity system complexity: neutrophiles and heavy traffic

by dhw, Monday, June 08, 2020, 10:48 (1412 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Designed intelligent responses to traffic flow. dhw will say each cell knows what it is doing and thinks about what to do.

dhw: Daft! How often do I have to explain to you that in cell communities there are cells that give instructions and cells that obey instructions. The vast majority of our actions and those of our fellow organisms are automatic, but the ORIGIN of those actions will have been the intelligent response of the cell communities to changing conditions. (See "brain expansion" on origins).I wrote a parenthesis two days ago on the brain expansion thread precisely in order to stop you making such silly statements: “NB please note the distinction between the autonomous power of thought and the automatic mechanism for implementation of thought” to which I added information-gathering yesterday.

DAVID: Note my bold. With neutophiles responding a call to action they are responding to an automatic chemical signals from automatically responding immune cells to come to a certain spot where injury or infection have appeared. They carefully do not traffic jam. Where is thought involved?

Note my own bold. For those of us who believe in evolution, EVERY system must have originated from new forms of cooperation between cells/cell communities. Once a system is established, it will work automatically. If it doesn’t, we could be in trouble, though just like bacteria, the intelligent cell communities may then find a way of adapting themselves, as with the example of high altitude readjustments. There is no point in your picking on individual examples of automatism and then claiming that they disprove cellular intelligence! And I have NEVER claimed that “each cell knows what it is doing and thinks what to do.”

Immunity system complexity: neutrophiles and heavy traffic

by David Turell @, Monday, June 08, 2020, 15:37 (1412 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Designed intelligent responses to traffic flow. dhw will say each cell knows what it is doing and thinks about what to do.

dhw: Daft! How often do I have to explain to you that in cell communities there are cells that give instructions and cells that obey instructions. The vast majority of our actions and those of our fellow organisms are automatic, but the ORIGIN of those actions will have been the intelligent response of the cell communities to changing conditions. (See "brain expansion" on origins).I wrote a parenthesis two days ago on the brain expansion thread precisely in order to stop you making such silly statements: “NB please note the distinction between the autonomous power of thought and the automatic mechanism for implementation of thought” to which I added information-gathering yesterday.

DAVID: Note my bold. With neutophiles responding a call to action they are responding to an automatic chemical signals from automatically responding immune cells to come to a certain spot where injury or infection have appeared. They carefully do not traffic jam. Where is thought involved?

dhw: Note my own bold. For those of us who believe in evolution, EVERY system must have originated from new forms of cooperation between cells/cell communities. Once a system is established, it will work automatically. If it doesn’t, we could be in trouble, though just like bacteria, the intelligent cell communities may then find a way of adapting themselves, as with the example of high altitude readjustments. There is no point in your picking on individual examples of automatism and then claiming that they disprove cellular intelligence! And I have NEVER claimed that “each cell knows what it is doing and thinks what to do.”

Our only difference then is the source of intelligent activity by cells. I have God as the source, and you don't know of a source, but God is possible.

Immunity system complexity: preventing allergies

by David Turell @, Sunday, June 14, 2020, 20:32 (1406 days ago) @ David Turell

Allergies are a consequence of the immune defense systems reacting to any antigen. A defense against this reaction is found in certain T cells:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200612172234.htm

"Scientists offer a clue to why non-allergic people don't have a strong reaction to house dust mites. They've uncovered a previously unknown subset of T cells that may control allergic immune reactions and asthma from ever developing in response to house dust mites -- and other possible allergens.

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"In a new Science Immunology study, published on June 12, 2020, scientists at La Jolla Institute for Immunology (LJI) offer a clue to why non-allergic people don't have a strong reaction to house dust mites. They've uncovered a previously unknown subset of T cells that may control allergic immune reactions and asthma from ever developing in response to house dust mites -- and other possible allergens.

"Why house dust mites? These microscopic critters are hard to avoid, which means nearly everyone has been exposed. Even in people without a house dust mite (HDM) allergy, the immune system is likely to react in some way as it learns to recognize HDM molecules. This makes HDM a useful model for studying what causes allergies and asthma attacks.

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"Their analysis suggests that a subset of helper T cells, called interleukin (IL)-9 Th2 expressing HDM-reactive cells, is more prevalent in the blood of people with HDM-allergic asthma compared with those who are only allergic to HDM. Further analysis suggested that those IL9-TH2 cells are enriched in a group of molecules/genes that increased the cytotoxic potential of those cells. In other words, those specific T cells could kill other cells and drive inflammation.

"In contrast, another subset of T cells stood out in the non-allergic subjects. These T cells express an "interferon response signature" and were enriched for a gene that encodes a protein called TRAIL. The work done by Seumois and his colleagues suggest that TRAIL could be important because it could dampen the activation of helper T cells."

Comment: this is a protective mechanism that attempts to avoid allergic responses which are not necessary for immune defenses, but are mistakes. It must be part of an immune system design.

Immunity system complexity: Devonian immune genes

by David Turell @, Monday, June 15, 2020, 20:40 (1405 days ago) @ David Turell

Now being found across the Pacific Archipelago:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-immune-properties-ancient-dna-isolated.html

"Could remnants of DNA from a now extinct human subspecies known as the Denisovans help boost the immune functions of modern humans?

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"Scientists studied genomic diversity among 116 individuals from three Indonesian populations: the Mentawai on the west coast of Sumatra; the Sumba in central Indonesia; and the Korowai, a group of hunter-gatherers from the western side of the isle of New Guinea.

"The Korowai are of particular interest, as their DNA holds the world's last remaining significant remnants of genetic code—as much as 5%—from a cousin of modern humans called the Denisovans, the study says. Like the better-known Neanderthals of Europe, the Denisovans of Asia also are an extinct human subspecies who lived tens of thousands of years ago. And just as Neanderthals passed on certain immune properties to those of European ancestry, the Denisovans may have passed on protective immune genes to their southeast Asian decedents.

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"Dr. Nicholas Banovich, an Assistant Professor in TGen's Integrated Cancer Genomics Division, a human geneticist, and a senior author of this PLOS Genetics paper, said the study's results highlight genes involved in the function of immune cells. This suggests a potentially adaptive response to local environmental pressures, including pressures from various tropical diseases.

"'One of the unique aspects of Indonesia is individuals on the island of New Guinea have high remnants of DNA from one of our extinct ancestors, the Denisovans," Dr. Banovich said. "We found these remnants of ancient DNA are driving changes in genes involved in immune function. This study demonstrates the power of including understudied populations in an effort to increase the overall understanding of human genetics."

"The international team is continuing its study, integrating more genetic data, exploring patterns of local ancestry and how archaic human genes are imbedded in modern-day populations.

"'We are now attempting to pinpoint individual genetic changes—in particular, those that are carried over in these remnant DNA fragments from Denisovans—which regulate how much or how little a gene is turned on, and how these genetic changes may shape immune response," Dr. Natri said."

Comment: Same story. Different homo species developed different forms of immunity based on geographical location. The immune programs which respond as necessary are all the same in each species.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells react to pathogens

by David Turell @, Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 21:07 (1404 days ago) @ David Turell

Sometimes they 'relax':

https://phys.org/news/2020-06-cells-critical-immune-response.html

"Like finding that needle in the haystack every time, your T cells manage what seems like an improbable task: Quickly finding a few invaders among the many imposters in your body to trigger its immune response.

"T cells have to react fast and do so nearly perfectly to protect people from diseases. But first, they need a little "me" time.

"Rice University researchers suggest that has to do with how T cells "relax" in the process of binding to ligands—short, functional molecules—that are either attached to the invaders or just resemble them.

"The look-alikes greatly outnumber the antigen ligands attached to attacking pathogens. The theory by Rice chemist Anatoly Kolomeisky and research scientist and Rice alumnus Hamid Teimouri proposes that the T cell's relaxation time—how long it takes to stabilize binding with either the invader or the imposter—is key. They suggested it helps explain the rest of the cascading sequence by which invaders prompt the immune system to act.

"The inappropriate activation of a T cell toward its own molecules leads to serious allergic and autoimmune responses.

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"'It is amazing how T cells are able to react so fast and so selectively. This is one of the most important secrets of living organisms," said Kolomeisky, a professor and chairman of Rice's Department of Chemistry and a professor of chemical and biomolecular engineering.

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"In a "very speculative" suggestion, the researchers noted that when the binding speed of imposters matches that of invaders, triggering both biomolecular cascades, there's no immune response. When the more relaxed binding of pathogenic ligands lags behind, it appears more likely to reach a threshold that triggers the immune system. Kolomeisky said the concept could be validated through experimentation.

"He and Teimouri wrote that many other aspects of T cell triggering need to be explored, including the roles of the cellular membranes where receptors are located, cell-cell communications, and cell topography during interactions. But having a simple quantitative model is a good start."

Comment: The T cells are programmed to perform certain immune responses. We are still learning how all of the design responses work to sort out the confusing signs.

Immunity system complexity

by dhw, Thursday, June 18, 2020, 11:05 (1402 days ago) @ David Turell

I've removed this from the brain expansion thread in order to keep discussions under their appropriate headings.

DAVID: All diseases can be handled by several immune mechanisms; outright killing (engulfing bugs) and antibodies to kill or neutralize. The instructions are in all immune cells for these actions. No program for all possible present and future bugs. Anything that comes along can be dealt with by present limited responses.

dhw: You are simply telling us what an immune system does – it kills or neutralizes the enemy. But the enemies are all different! Our highly intelligent scientists are now trying to find a way to get rid of Covid-19 because the immune system’s library of responses – accumulated from all its past experiences – does not contain “instructions” on how to deal with the new enemy.

DAVID: Of course our immune systems don't know it. It is a novelty!!! Yet we know herd immunity can develop. But we want human invented vaccines to speed the herd immune process. The instructions for herd immunity are there, just too slow to save more lives, so we step in.

Every disease in life’s history was once a novelty! And so the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses. “Herd immunity” and speed are not the point! If “all diseases can be handled by several immune systems”, how come people are still dying of cancer, flu, malaria, AIDS….? Once again, I suggest the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases (“anything that comes along can be dealt with by present limited responses”) but accumulates its own instructions in an ongoing learning process.

Immunity system complexity

by David Turell @, Thursday, June 18, 2020, 19:01 (1402 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: All diseases can be handled by several immune mechanisms; outright killing (engulfing bugs) and antibodies to kill or neutralize. The instructions are in all immune cells for these actions. No program for all possible present and future bugs. Anything that comes along can be dealt with by present limited responses.

dhw: You are simply telling us what an immune system does – it kills or neutralizes the enemy. But the enemies are all different! Our highly intelligent scientists are now trying to find a way to get rid of Covid-19 because the immune system’s library of responses – accumulated from all its past experiences – does not contain “instructions” on how to deal with the new enemy.

DAVID: Of course our immune systems don't know it. It is a novelty!!! Yet we know herd immunity can develop. But we want human invented vaccines to speed the herd immune process. The instructions for herd immunity are there, just too slow to save more lives, so we step in.

dhw: Every disease in life’s history was once a novelty! And so (1) the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses. “Herd immunity” and speed are not the point! If “all diseases can be handled by several immune systems”, how come people are still dying of cancer, flu, malaria, AIDS….? (2) Once again, I suggest the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases (“anything that comes along can be dealt with by present limited responses”) but accumulates its own instructions in an ongoing learning process.

You are close to finally understanding immunity. The first bold is correct, but unfortunately not the second. Immune cells contain all the instruction they will ever need to fight all and every infection, most with permanent blockage. There are unfortunately some viruses that constantly mutate each year, corona viruses as common old and the flu, requiring new antibodies to develop each year. In TB, leprosy, and lyme disease, the bugs are in a very strange family that is difficult to fight. Luckily there are treatments, but never full immunity. Only TB can be stabilized without drugs: the body immune system calcifies walls around the TB colonies. The TB does not advance unless the person is weakened somehow and the calcium breaks down.

Immunity system complexity

by dhw, Friday, June 19, 2020, 10:23 (1401 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: All diseases can be handled by several immune mechanisms; outright killing (engulfing bugs) and antibodies to kill or neutralize. The instructions are in all immune cells for these actions. No program for all possible present and future bugs. Anything that comes along can be dealt with by present limited responses.

dhw: You are simply telling us what an immune system does – it kills or neutralizes the enemy. But the enemies are all different! Our highly intelligent scientists are now trying to find a way to get rid of Covid-19 because the immune system’s library of responses – accumulated from all its past experiences – does not contain “instructions” on how to deal with the new enemy.

DAVID: Of course our immune systems don't know it. It is a novelty!!! Yet we know herd immunity can develop. But we want human invented vaccines to speed the herd immune process. The instructions for herd immunity are there, just too slow to save more lives, so we step in.

dhw: Every disease in life’s history was once a novelty! And so (1) the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses. “Herd immunity” and speed are not the point! If “all diseases can be handled by several immune systems”, how come people are still dying of cancer, flu, malaria, AIDS….? (2) Once again, I suggest the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases (“anything that comes along can be dealt with by present limited responses”) but accumulates its own instructions in an ongoing learning process.

DAVID: You are close to finally understanding immunity. The first bold is correct, but unfortunately not the second. Immune cells contain all the instruction they will ever need to fight all and every infection, most with permanent blockage. There are unfortunately some viruses that constantly mutate each year, corona viruses as common old and the flu, requiring new antibodies to develop each year. In TB, leprosy, and lyme disease, the bugs are in a very strange family that is difficult to fight. Luckily there are treatments, but never full immunity. Only TB can be stabilized without drugs: the body immune system calcifies walls around the TB colonies. The TB does not advance unless the person is weakened somehow and the calcium breaks down.

You agree that the immune system has built up a library of instructions to fight diseases as they have arisen. You say these instructions cover “all and every infection”, I say they don’t, and in order to prove me wrong, you provide a list of diseases for which the system does NOT contain the necessary instructions! Not for the first time, I have difficulty following your logic.

Immunity system complexity

by David Turell @, Friday, June 19, 2020, 15:31 (1401 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You are close to finally understanding immunity. The first bold is correct, but unfortunately not the second. Immune cells contain all the instruction they will ever need to fight all and every infection, most with permanent blockage. There are unfortunately some viruses that constantly mutate each year, corona viruses as common old and the flu, requiring new antibodies to develop each year. In TB, leprosy, and lyme disease, the bugs are in a very strange family that is difficult to fight. Luckily there are treatments, but never full immunity. Only TB can be stabilized without drugs: the body immune system calcifies walls around the TB colonies. The TB does not advance unless the person is weakened somehow and the calcium breaks down.

dhw: You agree that the immune system has built up a library of instructions to fight diseases as they have arisen. You say these instructions cover “all and every infection”, I say they don’t, and in order to prove me wrong, you provide a list of diseases for which the system does NOT contain the necessary instructions! Not for the first time, I have difficulty following your logic.

I simply gave you a small list of strange ones the immune system has trouble with. It can handle the thousands of others by following instructions. Your bold is not correct. The immune system follows instructions, not creates them. Antibodies produced are product, nothing more.

Immunity system complexity

by dhw, Saturday, June 20, 2020, 10:29 (1400 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Every disease in life’s history was once a novelty! And so (1) the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses. […] If “all diseases can be handled by several immune systems”, how come people are still dying of cancer, flu, malaria, AIDS….? (2) Once again, I suggest the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases (“anything that comes along can be dealt with by present limited responses”) but accumulates its own instructions in an ongoing learning process.

DAVID: You are close to finally understanding immunity. The first bold is correct, but unfortunately not the second. Immune cells contain all the instruction they will ever need to fight all and every infection, most with permanent blockage. There are unfortunately some viruses that constantly mutate each year […] [dhw's bold]

dhw: You agree that the immune system has built up a library of instructions to fight diseases as they have arisen. You say these instructions cover “all and every infection”, I say they don’t, and in order to prove me wrong, you provide a list of diseases for which the system does NOT contain the necessary instructions! Not for the first time, I have difficulty following your logic.

DAVID: I simply gave you a small list of strange ones the immune system has trouble with. It can handle the thousands of others by following instructions. Your bold is not correct. The immune system follows instructions, not creates them. Antibodies produced are product, nothing more.

You said my first bold was correct – see top of this post – and now you say it is not correct! If – a big but highly desirable “if” – the immune system were to find a means of killing the coronavirus, it would have added one set of instructions to those that it has already filed away in its library. Every new answer becomes part of the library which the immune system has built up with every new answer to every new problem, as you agreed first time round. And the instructions or books in the library do not cover “all and every infection”, as you have proved with your list.

Immunity system complexity

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 20, 2020, 16:19 (1400 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Every disease in life’s history was once a novelty! And so (1) the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses. […] If “all diseases can be handled by several immune systems”, how come people are still dying of cancer, flu, malaria, AIDS….? (2) Once again, I suggest the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases (“anything that comes along can be dealt with by present limited responses”) but accumulates its own instructions in an ongoing learning process.

DAVID: You are close to finally understanding immunity. The first bold is correct, but unfortunately not the second. Immune cells contain all the instruction they will ever need to fight all and every infection, most with permanent blockage. There are unfortunately some viruses that constantly mutate each year […] [dhw's bold]

dhw: You agree that the immune system has built up a library of instructions to fight diseases as they have arisen. You say these instructions cover “all and every infection”, I say they don’t, and in order to prove me wrong, you provide a list of diseases for which the system does NOT contain the necessary instructions! Not for the first time, I have difficulty following your logic.

DAVID: I simply gave you a small list of strange ones the immune system has trouble with. It can handle the thousands of others by following instructions. Your bold is not correct. The immune system follows instructions, not creates them. Antibodies produced are product, nothing more.

dhw: You said my first bold was correct – see top of this post – and now you say it is not correct! If – a big but highly desirable “if” – the immune system were to find a means of killing the coronavirus, it would have added one set of instructions to those that it has already filed away in its library. Every new answer becomes part of the library which the immune system has built up with every new answer to every new problem, as you agreed first time round. And the instructions or books in the library do not cover “all and every infection”, as you have proved with your list.

The first bold is correct with the word you used 'answers'. Immune cells always follow on board instructions to create a library of answers which are remembered as antibodies or direct engulfing and digesting. In regard to corona, survivors have high level of antibodies
and their serum has been used successfully in treatment. The second bold applies only to the partially successful responses I have listed. The newborn baby come fully prepared for a lifetime fight. Colostrum is an additional advantage for those who are nursed, but unnursed babies do just as well. In AIDS the human immune system itself is destroyed by the virus. Only the new drugs help. In malaria, I'll remind you, you survived by using your immune system plus medication. But we still need a vaccine.

Immunity system complexity: herd immunity

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 20, 2020, 20:14 (1400 days ago) @ David Turell

Measles is an example in a reverse way. It can only survive in large concentrated populations:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2246470-rise-of-measles-linked-with-emergence-of-l...

"The measles virus crossed over to people from cattle around 500 BC, supporting the idea that it could only get established as a human disease once large enough cities had developed. “It’s not proof, but it’s compatible with the notion that large cities might have provided the opportunity for it to emerge,” says Sébastien Calvignac-Spencer at the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin, Germany.

"The measles virus evolved from the virus that causes rinderpest, a disease that used to be common in cattle and led to famines in Africa in the 20th century, until vaccination eradicated it by 2011.

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"It was already known that the measles virus evolved from the rinderpest one because they are so genetically similar, but it was unclear when it made the jump. Previous estimates were that it happened around AD 900. But that conclusion was based on analysis of fairly recent measles viruses.

"Calvignac-Spencer’s team found a preserved lung specimen in a Berlin museum from someone who died from measles in 1912. The researchers drew up a viral family tree by comparing this with 50 other virus genomes, either from recent measles cases, rinderpest or a related virus that infects sheep and goats. This dated the jump to 500 BC.

"The analysis cannot tell us where in the world the crossover happened. But this earlier date roughly coincides with the emergence of cities of several hundred thousand people in China, India, North Africa and Europe.

"From looking at the circulation of measles within island communities, we know it can’t survive for long in places with fewer than about half a million people. This is because it causes lifelong immunity, so once everyone has had it, there are no more hosts to keep it going. Only in larger communities would there be enough new, and therefore susceptible, babies being born for the virus to survive.

"Microbes jumping from one species to another are a common cause of pandemics – as happened with coronavirus."

Comment: The bolded paragraph makes the point. With enough herd immunity a disease cannot survive.

Immunity system complexity: HIV needs antivirals to fight it

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 20, 2020, 23:08 (1399 days ago) @ David Turell

HI V severely damages both T and B cells, and requires antiviral drugs to treat. Thev rticole covers manipulations to try to develop vaccines:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-adjuvant-successful-immunity-hiv.html

"Researchers at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center and the Emory Vaccine Center (EVC) are first to show a new adjuvant, 3M-052, helps induce long-lasting immunity against HIV.

"In this pre-clinical study that included 90 rhesus monkeys, the researchers showed 3M-052, a new, synthetic small molecule that targets a specific receptor (TLR 7/8), successfully induced vaccine-specific, long-lived bone marrow plasma cells (BM-LLPCs), which are critical for durable immunity. In a striking observation, 3M-052-induced BM-LLPCs were maintained at high numbers for more than one year after vaccination. This prolonged interval is not only feasible in monitoring pre-clinical effectiveness, it is also highly informative in down selecting vaccine candidates.

"First author Sudhir Pai Kasturi, Ph.D., an assistant professor in the Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine and a research assistant professor at Yerkes and the EVC, says, "We have known adjuvants are critical immunity-boosting supplements that help improve the effectiveness of vaccines. Until now, however, it has been unclear which class of adjuvants can promote stable and long-lived immunity in nonhuman primate models. Our study provides that information."

"Co-senior author Rafi Ahmed, Ph.D., director of the Emory Vaccine Center, adds, "The key to a successful vaccine is durability of immune responses. Antibodies provide the first line of defense against pathogens, and antibody levels are maintained by the generation of long-lived plasma cells that reside in bone marrow. Our study identifies an adjuvant that is effective in generating such long-lived plasma cells in bone marrow. This finding has implications for developing successful vaccines against HIV, influenza and, especially important now, COVID-19."

Comment: Avoiding B an T cells and using plasma cells, another line of defense, is a clever approach. A constant stream of antibodies must be produced to cure HIV. So far, none

Immunity system complexity

by dhw, Sunday, June 21, 2020, 10:01 (1399 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: Every disease in life’s history was once a novelty! [And so 1) the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses. […] If “all diseases can be handled by several immune systems”, how come people are still dying of cancer, flu, malaria, AIDS….? (2) Once again, I suggest the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases (“anything that comes along can be dealt with by present limited responses”) but accumulates its own instructions in an ongoing learning process.

dhw: You said my first bold was correct – see top of this post – and now you say it is not correct! If – a big but highly desirable “if” – the immune system were to find a means of killing the coronavirus, it would have added one set of instructions to those that it has already filed away in its library. Every new answer becomes part of the library which the immune system has built up with every new answer to every new problem, as you agreed first time round. And the instructions or books in the library do not cover “all and every infection”, as you have proved with your list.

DAVID: The first bold is correct with the word you used 'answers'. Immune cells always follow on board instructions to create a library of answers which are remembered as antibodies or direct engulfing and digesting.

Thank you. I don’t know why you now try to muddy the waters with your “on board instructions”. Each new disease is a new question, and the answers (antibodies) don’t come into existence until the new disease has struck. The answers will then form instructions on how to tackle the disease, and these are remembered. What other “instructions” are you referring to?

DAVID: In regard to corona, survivors have high level of antibodies and their serum has been used successfully in treatment. The second bold applies only to the partially successful responses I have listed. The newborn baby come fully prepared for a lifetime fight. Colostrum is an additional advantage for those who are nursed, but unnursed babies do just as well. In AIDS the human immune system itself is destroyed by the virus. Only the new drugs help. In malaria, I'll remind you, you survived by using your immune system plus medication. But we still need a vaccine.

This jumble of observations simply proves that the responses are NOT all there, i.e. the library does NOT “cover all and every infection”, and that is why outside intervention is necessary in the form of drugs.

QUOTE (under “herd immunity): "From looking at the circulation of measles within island communities, we know it can’t survive for long in places with fewer than about half a million people. This is because it causes lifelong immunity, so once everyone has had it, there are no more hosts to keep it going. Only in larger communities would there be enough new, and therefore susceptible, babies being born for the virus to survive."

Confirmation that you are not naturally immune to a disease until you have had it – i.e. the library is an on-going accumulation of volumes/answers/instructions.

DAVID (under HIV:) Avoiding B an T cells and using plasma cells, another line of defense, is a clever approach. A constant stream of antibodies must be produced to cure HIV. So far, none.

Confirmation that the immune system’s library does not “cover all and every infection”.

Immunity system complexity

by David Turell @, Sunday, June 21, 2020, 15:08 (1399 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The first bold is correct with the word you used 'answers'. Immune cells always follow on board instructions to create a library of answers which are remembered as antibodies or direct engulfing and digesting.

dhw: Thank you. I don’t know why you now try to muddy the waters with your “on board instructions”. Each new disease is a new question, and the answers (antibodies) don’t come into existence until the new disease has struck. The answers will then form instructions on how to tackle the disease, and these are remembered. What other “instructions” are you referring to?

Still struggling for cell intelligence. All the immunity cells have standardized built-in reactions to invaders. The antibodies produced are from reactions to antigens (specific molecules) on the surface of the infective organism. The fact that they are standardized means the odd hard-to-control diseases I have mentioned exist.


DAVID: In regard to corona, survivors have high level of antibodies and their serum has been used successfully in treatment. The second bold applies only to the partially successful responses I have listed. The newborn baby come fully prepared for a lifetime fight. Colostrum is an additional advantage for those who are nursed, but unnursed babies do just as well. In AIDS the human immune system itself is destroyed by the virus. Only the new drugs help. In malaria, I'll remind you, you survived by using your immune system plus medication. But we still need a vaccine.

dhw: This jumble of observations simply proves that the responses are NOT all there, i.e. the library does NOT “cover all and every infection”, and that is why outside intervention is necessary in the form of drugs.

Yes, as noted above.


QUOTE (under “herd immunity): "From looking at the circulation of measles within island communities, we know it can’t survive for long in places with fewer than about half a million people. This is because it causes lifelong immunity, so once everyone has had it, there are no more hosts to keep it going. Only in larger communities would there be enough new, and therefore susceptible, babies being born for the virus to survive."

dhw: Confirmation that you are not naturally immune to a disease until you have had it – i.e. the library is an on-going accumulation of volumes/answers/instructions.

Yes, to 'volumes, answers'. The cells instructions as to how to respond are fixed and do not change.

DAVID (under HIV:) Avoiding B an T cells and using plasma cells, another line of defense, is a clever approach. A constant stream of antibodies must be produced to cure HIV. So far, none.

dhw: Confirmation that the immune system’s library does not “cover all and every infection”.

Yes, it is able to respond successfully to almost all, but HIV becomes a real problem as the standardized responses don't/can't work.

Immunity system complexity

by dhw, Monday, June 22, 2020, 10:53 (1398 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: The first bold is correct with the word you used 'answers'. Immune cells always follow on board instructions to create a library of answers which are remembered as antibodies or direct engulfing and digesting.

dhw: Thank you. I don’t know why you now try to muddy the waters with your “on board instructions”. Each new disease is a new question, and the answers (antibodies) don’t come into existence until the new disease has struck. The answers will then form instructions on how to tackle the disease, and these are remembered. What other “instructions” are you referring to?

DAVID: Still struggling for cell intelligence. All the immunity cells have standardized built-in reactions to invaders. The antibodies produced are from reactions to antigens (specific molecules) on the surface of the infective organism. The fact that they are standardized means the odd hard-to-control diseases I have mentioned exist.

How can they be standardized when there is a brand new invader? Each new invader requires new antibodies, and every antibody constitutes a new volume in the accumulative library of remembered answers. See below for “instructions”.

QUOTE (under “herd immunity): "From looking at the circulation of measles within island communities, we know it can’t survive for long in places with fewer than about half a million people. This is because it causes lifelong immunity, so once everyone has had it, there are no more hosts to keep it going. Only in larger communities would there be enough new, and therefore susceptible, babies being born for the virus to survive."

dhw: Confirmation that you are not naturally immune to a disease until you have had it – i.e. the library is an on-going accumulation of volumes/answers/instructions.

DAVID: Yes, to 'volumes, answers'. The cells instructions as to how to respond are fixed and do not change.

I still don’t know what “instructions” you are referring to. Do you simply mean the cells must respond to the new invader by finding means of killing it? The means are certainly NOT fixed, since each new invader demands a new response - and sometimes the cells are unable to come up with the goods.

Immunity system complexity

by David Turell @, Monday, June 22, 2020, 15:42 (1398 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Still struggling for cell intelligence. All the immunity cells have standardized built-in reactions to invaders. The antibodies produced are from reactions to antigens (specific molecules) on the surface of the infective organism. The fact that they are standardized means the odd hard-to-control diseases I have mentioned exist.

dhw: How can they be standardized when there is a brand new invader? Each new invader requires new antibodies, and every antibody constitutes a new volume in the accumulative library of remembered answers. See below for “instructions”.

There are no new-type responses to new invaders. Response methods are all the same but for something new as a disease causer a new antibody is produced. And the library grows.


QUOTE (under “herd immunity): "From looking at the circulation of measles within island communities, we know it can’t survive for long in places with fewer than about half a million people. This is because it causes lifelong immunity, so once everyone has had it, there are no more hosts to keep it going. Only in larger communities would there be enough new, and therefore susceptible, babies being born for the virus to survive."

dhw: Confirmation that you are not naturally immune to a disease until you have had it – i.e. the library is an on-going accumulation of volumes/answers/instructions.

DAVID: Yes, to 'volumes, answers'. The cells instructions as to how to respond are fixed and do not change.

dhw: I still don’t know what “instructions” you are referring to. Do you simply mean the cells must respond to the new invader by finding means of killing it? The means are certainly NOT fixed, since each new invader demands a new response - and sometimes the cells are unable to come up with the goods.

A new response does not mean a new method of response. Antibodies always form in the same way by taking notice of a protein or series of proteins on the invader's surface and forming a killer antibody to neutralize it. Antibiotics are the same mechanism. This limited defense automaticity allows some bacteria/virus attackers to evade. Another example for you. The organism that causes lobar pneumonia is surrounded by a waxy coating that fights any antibody and the cellular standardized antibody response is sluggish. That is why we have the modern pneumonia vaccines. Our antibody mechanism needs help and becomes ready for the bug as the vaccine allows a library addition before the bug ever attacks. As for your question bolded above, the cells contain the instructional information for their standardized responses, and add new instructional information for the newly developed antibody response to their ever expanding library of responses. All by original design of the cells. Remember the newborn comes with a blank library and builds it over a lifetime.

Immunity system complexity

by dhw, Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 13:16 (1397 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Still struggling for cell intelligence. All the immunity cells have standardized built-in reactions to invaders. The antibodies produced are from reactions to antigens (specific molecules) on the surface of the infective organism. The fact that they are standardized means the odd hard-to-control diseases I have mentioned exist.

dhw: How can they be standardized when there is a brand new invader? Each new invader requires new antibodies, and every antibody constitutes a new volume in the accumulative library of remembered answers. […]

DAVID: There are no new-type responses to new invaders. Response methods are all the same but for something new as a disease causer a new antibody is produced. And the library grows.

You have virtually repeated my own words. We are in agreement.

dhw: Confirmation that you are not naturally immune to a disease until you have had it – i.e. the library is an on-going accumulation of volumes/answers/instructions.

DAVID: Yes, to 'volumes, answers'. The cells instructions as to how to respond are fixed and do not change.

dhw: I still don’t know what “instructions” you are referring to. Do you simply mean the cells must respond to the new invader by finding means of killing it? The means are certainly NOT fixed, since each new invader demands a new response - and sometimes the cells are unable to come up with the goods.

DAVID: A new response does not mean a new method of response. Antibodies always form in the same way by taking notice of a protein or series of proteins on the invader's surface and forming a killer antibody to neutralize it.

And so the “instructions” are to kill or neutralize the invader with antibodies. However, each response, i.e. each new antibody, has to be new. We are in agreement.

DAVID: […] Our antibody mechanism needs help and becomes ready for the bug as the vaccine allows a library addition before the bug ever attacks.

And so “the immune system itself does NOT “cover all and every infection”, and “that is why outside intervention is necessary in the form of drugs” (dhw, Sunday June 21) We are in agreement.

DAVID: As for your question bolded above, the cells contain the instructional information for their standardized responses, and add new instructional information for the newly developed antibody response to their ever expanding library of responses. All by original design of the cells. Remember the newborn comes with a blank library and builds it over a lifetime.

Yes indeed, the cells’ standard response to a new disease is to try and kill or neutralize the cause, and it does so by developing new antibodies and hence an ongoing library of responses. Unfortunately, they do not always succeed. Thank you for confirming my two bolds: 1) the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses, and 2) the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases. We appear to be in complete agreement.

Immunity system complexity

by David Turell @, Tuesday, June 23, 2020, 19:38 (1397 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: I still don’t know what “instructions” you are referring to. Do you simply mean the cells must respond to the new invader by finding means of killing it? The means are certainly NOT fixed, since each new invader demands a new response - and sometimes the cells are unable to come up with the goods.

DAVID: A new response does not mean a new method of response. Antibodies always form in the same way by taking notice of a protein or series of proteins on the invader's surface and forming a killer antibody to neutralize it.

dhw: And so the “instructions” are to kill or neutralize the invader with antibodies. However, each response, i.e. each new antibody, has to be new. We are in agreement.

No, the in instructions are how to make the proper antibody for each and every infection. Of course each antibody is different, noting a specific protein on the invader.

DAVID: As for your question bolded above, the cells contain the instructional information for their standardized responses, and add new instructional information for the newly developed antibody response to their ever expanding library of responses. All by original design of the cells. Remember the newborn comes with a blank library and builds it over a lifetime.

dhw: Yes indeed, the cells’ standard response to a new disease is to try and kill or neutralize the cause, and it does so by developing new antibodies and hence an ongoing library of responses. Unfortunately, they do not always succeed. Thank you for confirming my two bolds: 1) the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses, and 2) the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases. We appear to be in complete agreement.

Yes, the immune cells can only follow the instructions they have given to them as fetuses.

Immunity system complexity

by dhw, Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 08:36 (1396 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: A new response does not mean a new method of response. Antibodies always form in the same way by taking notice of a protein or series of proteins on the invader's surface and forming a killer antibody to neutralize it.

dhw: And so the “instructions” are to kill or neutralize the invader with antibodies. However, each response, i.e. each new antibody, has to be new. We are in agreement.

DAVID: No, the in instructions are how to make the proper antibody for each and every infection. Of course each antibody is different, noting a specific protein on the invader.

How can the immune system already contain instructions on how to make the "proper" antibody for a disease that doesn’t yet exist? The very fact that some diseases require outside intervention or can never be eradicated proves that there are no instructions on how to make the “proper” antibody for each and every infection.

DAVID: […] the cells contain the instructional information for their standardized responses, and add new instructional information for the newly developed antibody response to their ever expanding library of responses. All by original design of the cells. Remember the newborn comes with a blank library and builds it over a lifetime.

dhw: Yes indeed, the cells’ standard response to a new disease is to try and kill or neutralize the cause, and it does so by developing new antibodies and hence an ongoing library of responses. Unfortunately, they do not always succeed. Thank you for confirming my two bolds: 1) the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses, and 2) the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases. We appear to be in complete agreement.

DAVID: Yes, the immune cells can only follow the instructions they have given to them as fetuses.

You say yes and proceed to state the opposite! My 2) states that the immune cells are NOT given instructions to counter all diseases, because as you said above, the cells add NEW instructional information (= instructions in my language) for the NEWLY developed antibody response to their ever expanding library.

Immunity system complexity

by David Turell @, Wednesday, June 24, 2020, 15:39 (1396 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: A new response does not mean a new method of response. Antibodies always form in the same way by taking notice of a protein or series of proteins on the invader's surface and forming a killer antibody to neutralize it.

dhw: And so the “instructions” are to kill or neutralize the invader with antibodies. However, each response, i.e. each new antibody, has to be new. We are in agreement.

DAVID: No, the in instructions are how to make the proper antibody for each and every infection. Of course each antibody is different, noting a specific protein on the invader.

dhw: How can the immune system already contain instructions on how to make the "proper" antibody for a disease that doesn’t yet exist? The very fact that some diseases require outside intervention or can never be eradicated proves that there are no instructions on how to make the “proper” antibody for each and every infection.

For once and all: all antibodies are made by the same cellular process. The output product differs only in that it identifies the protein in the new infection.


DAVID: […] the cells contain the instructional information for their standardized responses, and add new instructional information for the newly developed antibody response to their ever expanding library of responses. All by original design of the cells. Remember the newborn comes with a blank library and builds it over a lifetime.

dhw: Yes indeed, the cells’ standard response to a new disease is to try and kill or neutralize the cause, and it does so by developing new antibodies and hence an ongoing library of responses. Unfortunately, they do not always succeed. Thank you for confirming my two bolds: 1) the immune system has had to come up with new answers every time, thus building its library of responses, and 2) the immune system does NOT contain instructions on how to counter all diseases. We appear to be in complete agreement.

DAVID: Yes, the immune cells can only follow the instructions they have given to them as fetuses.

dhw:You say yes and proceed to state the opposite! My 2) states that the immune cells are NOT given instructions to counter all diseases, because as you said above, the cells add NEW instructional information (= instructions in my language) for the NEWLY developed antibody response to their ever expanding library.

Again. For once and for all: all antibodies are made by the same cellular process. The output product differs only in that it identifies the protein in the new infection. The new product is added to the library.

Immunity system complexity

by dhw, Thursday, June 25, 2020, 11:57 (1395 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Yes, the immune cells can only follow the instructions they have given to them as fetuses.

dhw: You say yes and proceed to state the opposite! My 2) states that the immune cells are NOT given instructions to counter all diseases, because as you said above, the cells add NEW instructional information (= instructions in my language) for the NEWLY developed antibody response to their ever expanding library.

DAVID: Again. For once and for all: all antibodies are made by the same cellular process. The output product differs only in that it identifies the protein in the new infection. The new product is added to the library.

All books in a library are made by the same process: somebody puts words on paper or on a screen, somebody else prints them. But they are all different. The antibodies are all produced by the same process, but they are all different, and the fact that the immune system cannot produce antibodies for all diseases proves that immune cells do NOT “contain all the instruction they will ever need to fight all and every infection.” I think we’re squabbling partly over language, but also partly over the implications of “instructions”, which you often use when opposing the concept of cellular intelligence.

Immunity system complexity

by David Turell @, Thursday, June 25, 2020, 16:24 (1395 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Yes, the immune cells can only follow the instructions they have given to them as fetuses.

dhw: You say yes and proceed to state the opposite! My 2) states that the immune cells are NOT given instructions to counter all diseases, because as you said above, the cells add NEW instructional information (= instructions in my language) for the NEWLY developed antibody response to their ever expanding library.

DAVID: Again. For once and for all: all antibodies are made by the same cellular process. The output product differs only in that it identifies the protein in the new infection. The new product is added to the library.

dhw: All books in a library are made by the same process: somebody puts words on paper or on a screen, somebody else prints them. But they are all different. The antibodies are all produced by the same process, but they are all different, and the fact that the immune system cannot produce antibodies for all diseases proves that immune cells do NOT “contain all the instruction they will ever need to fight all and every infection.” I think we’re squabbling partly over language, but also partly over the implications of “instructions”, which you often use when opposing the concept of cellular intelligence.

We've both said the same thing, although you have brought up your worry about existing biological information.

Immunity system complexity: T cell gene control

by David Turell @, Tuesday, July 07, 2020, 21:45 (1383 days ago) @ David Turell

More found in fine tuning of the immune system genetics:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/news/strange_offbeat/bizarre_things/

"The human immune system is a finely-tuned machine, balancing when to release a cellular army to deal with pathogens, with when to rein in that army, stopping an onslaught from attacking the body itself. Now, Salk researchers have discovered a way to control regulatory T cells, immune cells that act as a cease-fire signal, telling the immune system when to stand down.

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"Regulatory T cells are responsible for reining in the activity of other cells in the immune system. They prevent the immune system from attacking the body's own tissues, and tell the immune response to fade when it is no longer needed, acting like an all-clear signal. Underactive regulatory T cells are associated with autoimmune diseases where the immune system attacks the body, including rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, inflammatory bowel disease and lupus.

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"Researchers already knew that the gene called Foxp3 is a key player in the development and function of regulatory T cells. If regulatory T cells are like the lead peacekeepers, Foxp3 is like the UN, encouraging the peacekeeping force to organize. Without Foxp3, the body doesn't form regulatory T cells. So Zheng's group set out to find other genes that impacted levels of Foxp3. They used CRISPR gene-editing technology to test which genes throughout the genome affected Foxp3. This screen turned up hundreds of genes, including a handful that encoded different subunits of the SWI/SNF complex, a group of proteins that plays a role in turning many other genes on and off by physically making DNA accessible to cellular machinery.

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"Hargreaves and her group were already studying a number of genes in the SWI/SNF complex, including a new variant that the lab identified in 2018 called the ncBAF comple

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"'There was already data to show how the SWI/SNF complex is important for the development of cells, but not much data in regulatory T cells specifically," says Salk postdoctoral researcher Jovylyn Gatchalian, co-first author of the new work.

"The researchers used CRISPR to selectively remove the SWI/SNF complex genes from regulatory T cells. They found that the deletion of one gene in the ncBAF complex, called Brd9, had a particularly strong effect on the immune cells; regulatory T cells without Brd9 had lower levels of Foxp3 and weakened function."

Comment: A highly complex system of controls requiring a designer. Chance cannot develop this degree of complex controls to start systems and stop systems as required by pathogenic attacks. This had to develop early in the evolution of life for living organisms to survive and evolve into today's complex organisms..

Immunity system complexity: go and no go

by David Turell @, Sunday, July 12, 2020, 19:48 (1378 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by David Turell, Sunday, July 12, 2020, 19:58

The immune system attacks and stops attacks to avoid causing improper trouble to the normal body components:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/cells-slow-immune-response-derailing-fight-tumors

"MDSCs are a mix of immature cells from the same family as neutrophils and macrophages, which act as general first responders in the immune system. MDSCs caught scientists’ attention decades ago, but it wasn’t until the last several years that their importance in cancer came into focus.

“'Their normal function is to slow things down,” says William Carson III, a surgical oncologist at Ohio State University in Columbus.

"In a 2016 study of people who received checkpoint blockers for advanced melanoma, patients with lower levels of MDSCs in their blood responded better to the immune therapy and lived longer. That made Carson and his colleagues wonder if getting rid of the suppressor cells could create an environment for checkpoint blockers to work better. And they knew a class of drugs that could potentially achieve this: Brd4 inhibitors.

"In tumor cells, the protein Brd4 regulates the activity of various genes — including some that promote MDSCs. So perhaps a Brd4-inhibiting drug would give checkpoint blockers free rein to do their job.

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"The team got similar results with several different Brd4 inhibitors and in mice with breast, colon or lung tumors. Though preliminary and unpublished, the findings suggest that Brd4 inhibitors “can get rid of these immune suppressor cells that are an additional brake on the immune system, and allow immune stimulating drugs to work better,” says Carson.

"There are other ways to target those suppressor cells. Timothy Wang, a gastroenterologist at Columbia University Irving Medical Center, and his colleagues went after them using an anti-inflammatory peptide called trefoil factor 2, or TFF2. Previously, Wang and colleagues showed that some T cells release TFF2 to tone down inflammatory responses, and that giving mice TFF2 can boost the immune system and slow tumor growth.

***

"However, a drug’s effectiveness in mice has traditionally shown little correlation with its impact in human patients. For example, anti-PD1 and anti-PDL1 therapies only modestly slowed tumor growth in mice — yet today they’re “the cornerstone for immuno-oncology therapy in humans … and well-tolerated,” Peng says. Another case in point: STING agonists. These drugs, which activate a slew of host defense genes, worked like gangbusters in mice yet have floundered thus far in clinical trials.

"More than a thousand other trials are currently testing checkpoint blockers, alone or in combination with additional drugs and some, like one in people targeting advanced non-small cell lung cancer, are showing some promise. Yet the immune system is so sophisticated, with layers upon layers of brakes, that existing approaches may be “just scratching the surface,” says Peng." (my bold)

Comment: I've used the article on cancer therapy to show the degree of immune complexity (note the bold), and our new-found ability to analyze it and tailor it to create therapies. Thank goodness God gave us this big brain that can be used to improve on His designs.

Immunity system complexity: T cell reaction controls

by David Turell @, Monday, July 20, 2020, 20:03 (1370 days ago) @ David Turell

Molecular controls revealed:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-immune-cells-killer-mode.html

"Now research groups led by Dr. Susana Minguet and Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Schamel from the University of Freiburg's signaling research Clusters of Excellence BIOSS and CIBSS have succeeded in demonstrating how this identification mechanism activates T cells to switch to attack mode. In a study published in the journal Nature Immunology, they describe a previously undiscovered domain of the T-cell receptor and demonstrate that this so-called RK motif improves immune therapies against cancer in pre-clinical studies.


"The T-cell receptor is a tiny machine made up of many individual proteins. When it recognizes an infected or a tumor cell in the body, a so-called lymphocyte specific kinase binds to the T-cell receptor at the newly discovered RK motif. This binding switch on the T-cell receptor activating the T cell to become a killer cell and thus, eliminate the threat.. "We were astounded that this RK motive has never been described before," say Minguet and Schamel of the discovery: "Immunologists have been studying the T-cell receptor for more than 30 years now."

"The findings serve to build a bridge between the perception of a threat and the activation of the immune response at the molecular level, shedding light on an essential operating principle of the immune system. T cells fulfill various functions: Cytotoxic T cells, so-called killer cells, are particularly responsible for destroying the body's own cells when they pose a threat to it—because they have been infected by bacteria or viruses or because they have changed into cancer cells. The T cells identify antigens exclusively on cells and then release toxic substances to destroy these target cells.

"The scientists discovered the RK motif with a combination of biochemistry, synthetic biology, and immunology. They demonstrated that the RK motif is normally hidden to prevent un-desired T cell activation and it is exposed only after binding to the antigen, this may explain why it has remained undetected until now. This unique combination of disciplines is a product of the integrative approach at the Cluster of Excellence CIBSS. The biochemical analyses enable a detailed understanding of the molecular signals, while their immunological understanding and medical application explain their function in the body." (my bold)

Comment: See my bold. A carefully designed system to protect the body's own cells from unnecessary attacks, but autoimmune diseases do occur. Mistakes happen as discussed before.

Immunity system complexity: B cells tell T cells

by David Turell @, Friday, July 24, 2020, 00:41 (1366 days ago) @ David Turell

Both B and T cells are made in bone marrow. B cells must take a long journey to lymph nodes to do their work:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200722112741.htm

"The study, led by scientists at the University of York, reveals how B-cells -- crucial agents of the immune response -- are faced with a perilous path, swimming through a dense network of other cells, blood and lymphatic vessels, to reach the follicles of the lymph nodes.

"The research team discovered that structures inside lymph nodes leave a trail of chemical signals that guide B-cells through these complex tissues -- like miniature lighthouses guiding a safe shipping passage.

"Once they have reached the lymph nodes (glands which function as filters trapping viruses and bacteria before they can infect other parts of the body) B-cells confront invading pathogens and take molecules from their surfaces known as antigens. They process and present these to T cells, which then manufacture antibodies allowing them to identify and destroy the invaders.

***

"'Our study suggests that B-cells sniff out a chemical trail which allows them to swim over relatively long distances in a highly complex microenvironment to reach their key destination.

"'Relying on a single chemical transmitter to act as a beacon across the whole of the lymph node wouldn't do the trick, since the signal becomes too dilute and swamped by noise. Instead, these multiple signals are like having a trail of breadcrumbs that the cells can follow."

"The study may solve the mystery of how cells which are a hundred times smaller than a millimetre are able to travel over distances of around a metre to get to where they are needed in the body.

***

"'Research into understanding the workings of the immune system at the scale of single molecules may help us to understand why things go wrong in the case of some diseases of the immune system. It may help pave the way to new drugs that help to improve the immune system's ability to combat emerging threats from harmful viruses and bacteria that the human population have not previously encountered.'"

Comment: A highly complex system not produced by chance. And again this may help us correct things that will go wrong.

Immunity system complexity: B cells produce antibodies

by David Turell @, Monday, August 24, 2020, 21:11 (1335 days ago) @ David Turell

They are the key source for new antibodies, and respond best to flexible antigens:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-08-flexible-immune-finely-tuned-antibodies.html

"'Long-lasting immunity is an important challenge for the immune system—antibodies have to bind like glue to foreign threats, such as viruses but avoid any of the body's own molecules as this can lead to autoimmunity," says Dr. Deborah Burnett, co-first author of the paper.

"At a sub-microscopic level, some molecules bend and move more than others—some are more rigid, while others are flexible. The same is true for molecules on viruses, for example, the spike protein on the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 is highly flexible to adopt multiple different shapes.

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"'Using an artificial pair of foreign and self-molecules that are very similar, we created different versions of the same antigen, altering one connection that made it either more rigid or more flexible," says Dr. Schofield. The researchers then investigated how the immune system of mice generated antibodies to the different molecules.

"The researchers discovered that when the foreign antigen was more flexible, the germinal center could employ a greater number of evolution strategies to make antibodies that bound foreign but not self-molecules.

"'Our results showed that the antibodies initially bonded to both the rigid self and flexible foreign antigens in the same way, unable to tell them apart. What surprised us was that, after only a few weeks, when the foreign antigen was flexible, the antibodies were able to specifically mutate to become 67 times more selective for foreign antigens, and 19 times less selective for self," says Dr. Burnett. "The antibodies generated against rigid foreign antigens were more likely to have autoimmune properties.'" (my bold)

Comment: It is important that B cells make antibodies that don't attack their own body's cells. The design in this system minimizes that mistake.

Immunity system complexity: how dendritic cells act

by David Turell @, Tuesday, July 18, 2023, 14:32 (277 days ago) @ David Turell

Not like other immune cells:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230717143221.htm

"The cells of the immune system circulate mainly in the blood and migrate into the body's tissues after an inflammation. Some types of immune cells, however, are permanently located in the tissues, where they come together to form three-dimensional networks.

"How do these networks form and how are they maintained? For the long-lived macrophages (phagocytes), the answer is already known: They settle in so-called niches. These are environments of connective tissue cells that supply the macrophages with nutrients and keep them alive.

"A team led by Professors Georg Gasteiger, Dominic Grün and Wolfgang Kastenmüller...has now turned its attention to a related type of immune cells, the so-called dendritic cells.

"These immune cells are essential for the control of immune responses because they are at the first line of defense of the immune system: They recognize foreign structures, take them in and process them into a kind of mugshot. They then present the photo to other immune cells and trigger a specific immune response, for example against pathogens or cancer cells.

"The special thing about dendritic cells: They only live for about a week and during this time they continuously migrate through the body's tissues. “In this respect, it was clear that the classic niche concept would not work here" , says Wolfgang Kastenmüller.

"The JMU team found a completely new concept for this, according to which three-dimensional cell networks can organize themselves: Dendritic cells orient themselves to the blood vessels and migrate one after the other along their outer wall – similar to children walking in single file. The blood vessels thus determine the three-dimensional arrangement of the cells.

***

"As the JMU team reports in the journal Immunity, it is due to a locally acting cytokine, the FLT3 ligand, that the dendritic cells always stay close together during their developmental migration.

"The cytokines are continuously and evenly produced locally and consumed by the dendritic cells. If there are gaps in the group, more cytokines are available for the isolated dendritic cells. This surplus speeds them up in their development and movement and helps them to reconnect with the group. When the cells have moved up, they have a little less cytokines available again due to competition from their neighbours. Accordingly, they slow down their developmental speed.

***

"The JMU researchers’ data so far is based on the analysis of lymph nodes from animal models. The team next wants to test whether the same principles of network organisation of dendritic cells apply to all tissues and also in humans."

Comment: from our knowledge of evolution, if a system works in one application, it will be used everywhere. This is another example of immune complexity design.

Immunity system complexity: defenses in bacteria

by David Turell @, Monday, November 28, 2022, 16:44 (509 days ago) @ David Turell

Similar to eukaryotes:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/prokaryotes-are-capable-of-learning-to-recog...

"The CRISPR technology commonly used for genome editing was originally based on bacterial defense mechanisms that arose to protect against bacteriophages, though their mode of activation has largely eluded scientists. In the course of understanding this phenomenon, researchers from the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard and the McGovern Institute for Brain Research have identified two proteins in bacteriophages, the viruses that infect bacteria, that activate bacterial and archaeal immune defense systems.

***

"In eukaryotic organisms, immune receptors are critical to body defense. These receptors, which are present in the innate immune system, recognize common pathogens and activate white blood cells to fight them off. The researchers wanted to know if the morphological similarity between eukaryotic and prokaryotic innate immune systems extended to their functionality, and also the molecular mechanisms through which they are activated. So they screened bacteriophages to identify component parts that trigger bacterial immune responses.

***

"The researchers wanted to know how viral infections activated antiviral STANDs (Avs)—bacterial proteins that detect viruses—in the prokaryotic defense system and whether there were specific trigger molecules in the virus responsible for this activity. They hypothesized that the coexpression of the Avs proteins with the antiviral triggers would lead to the deletion of relevant viral genes, and ultimately the death of the virus. With this in mind, the team sequenced the virus’ genome and discovered that two genes, those that encode large terminase subunit and portal proteins, were targeted and removed by the prokaryotic Avs proteins.

***

"The team found that when coexpressed, the Avs proteins specifically targeted and struck out the two genes, leading to the death of the bacteriophage. They then repeated the process for 24 other types of bacteriophages, finding that E. coli launched the same immune response against each.

“'Defense genes are extremely versatile; they can recognize the corresponding portal and terminase protein not just from one virus but from a large panel of different viruses,” says Gao. “This suggests that they were not individual sensors but pattern recognition receptors that can recognize the same three-dimensional fold of a target protein.”

"To get a full picture of the exact mechanism of immune activation, the researchers analyzed the 3D structures of the Avs and phage proteins using cryo-electron imaging. Their analysis showed that the Avs protein directly detects structural features of the hallmark proteins. It also showed that their biological structures correspond with each other, revealing that the proteins come together to form tetramers within bacteria prior to activation.

“'It's becoming increasingly clear that all these systems that bacteria have to defend against viruses seem to have a lot of similarities [with] their eukaryotic counterparts,” says Jacob Bobonis, who studies bacteria and bacteriophage immune systems at The European Molecular Biology Laboratory but was not part of this study."

Comment: If we descended from bacteria, of course our immune systems would look alike. I assume the start of life included viruses. If so, the original bacteria had to appear with these mechanisms on board by design.

Immunity system complexity: two-way defense

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 13, 2020, 01:19 (1407 days ago) @ David Turell

Immunity cells respond in two ways depending upon the infection and where it is located, in or outside of cells:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200612120148.htm

"Viruses and other disease-causing microbes influence the type of immune response their hosts will develop against them. In some cases, the predominant response involves antibodies, proteins made by the immune system that specifically recognize parts of the invading microbe and mediate its destruction. In other cases, immune cells are trained to recognize the microbe and lead the attack against it.

***

"Research has shown that two factors related to microbes significantly affect the type of immune response that will predominate. On one hand are the microbial components (parts of proteins or genetic material, called pathogen-associated molecular patterns or PAMPs), and on the other is the location of the microbes, whether they tend to be inside or outside cells. Cells have means to recognize PAMPs ? some cellular proteins recognize PAMPs inside cells, while others detect PAMPs outside cells.

"Research on viruses has shown that when viral genetic material is detected inside cells, a cell-mediated immune response develops, while the detection of viral proteins outside the cell triggers antibody-mediated responses.

"The implementation of these immune responses involves cellular proteins called Pattern Recognition Receptors, or PRRs. Antigen-presenting cells, such as dendritic cells, are involved in the first steps of developing a specific immune response. During these first steps, antigen-presenting cells sample both the intracellular and extracellular environments by binding PAMPs to their PRRs. Recognition of a PAMP by a PRR turns on the danger alarm and alerts the rest of the immune system to the presence of a foreign microbial invader.

"In addition to these well-studied signals that mediate classic immune responses, Baylor researchers have proposed and demonstrated a different mechanism that directs the immune response toward a cellular type. This new mechanism also involves surveillance of both the intracellular and extracellular environments but by a different class of proteins called the Major Histocompatibility Complex, or MHC. MHC Class I binds protein fragments found inside of cells whereas MHC Class II binds protein fragments present on the outside of cells.

"'This mechanism appears to take place mostly when a fulminant viral infection occurs," said Decker, associate professor of pathology and immunology and corresponding author of this work.

***

"'We found ample evidence that supports the novel mechanism and described a large molecular sensor complex we propose plays a central role in comparing the amino acids sequences of intracellular and extracellular protein fragments," said Halpert,

Comment: These kinds of interlocking defense systems require careful design, with especial care not to allow attacks on one own's tissues, especially when the virus is located intracellularly. This is not something 'cell committees' can develop, since the mechanisms must be present when the organism first appears in evolution. Survival depends upon it.

Immunity system complexity: one molecule protects urine

by David Turell @, Friday, August 21, 2020, 14:47 (1338 days ago) @ David Turell

The bladder must open to the outside which allows infections in making urine infections common, especially in women. One molecule protects:

https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/21_august_2020/MobilePagedArticl...

"Human urinary tracts are highly susceptible to bacterial infections. Pathogenic bacteria initiate infections by attaching to sugar chains (glycans) exposed on the surface of the urinary tract epithelium. It has long been suspected that uromodulin (UMOD)—the most abundant protein in human urine—prevents bacteria from binding to urinary tract glycans, thus defending the organism from such infections. However, the mechanism underlying this protection has remained elusive. Now, Weiss et al. reveal, at the molecular level, how UMOD filaments interact with uropathogenic Escherichia coli cells in human urine. These results provide a structural basis for understanding the protective function of UMOD.

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"Weiss et al. deciphered a comprehensive map of the glycosylation pattern of UMOD, the structure of UMOD filaments, and the nature of bacteria–filament interaction. Infective E. coli cells attach to the urinary tract epithelium through needlelike structures called pili. At their tip, E. coli type I pili consist of the protein FimH (type 1 fimbrin D-mannose specific adhesin). The authors show that the armlike structures extending from UMOD filaments interact with FimH. The interaction between UMOD and FimH is biochemically strong and likely leads to stable binding. Indeed, Weiss et al. show that through this binding, UMOD mediates the stable formation of clumps of bacteria.

"The suggested mechanism of UMOD-based defense is notably simple and robust: The abundant UMOD filaments outcompete receptors on the urinary tract walls in binding to bacterial pili. Each flexible filament has multiple binding sites, and each bacterium can have several pili. Therefore, this multitude of interactions causes bacterial aggregation, effectively preventing individual bacterial cells from attaching to and infecting the urinary tract. In case of the E. coli strain studied by Weiss et al., the interaction between UMOD and bacterial cells occurs through specific binding of FimH to a glycan at asparagine 275 of the UMOD protein.

"However, UMOD contains several other complex glycosylation sites whose functions have not yet been dissected. A compelling possibility is that these serve as binding sites for proteins of other uropathogenic bacteria. In line with this idea, when Weiss et al. imaged urine from patients infected with different bacteria, namely Klebsiella, Pseudomonas, and Streptococcus, the authors found similarly aggregated bacterial cells embedded in UMOD filaments. Given its implication in various aspects of kidney function, UMOD might have other molecular roles that rely on its distinct glycosylation pattern or its adoption of a filamentous structure, besides protection from bacterial infections.

Comment: this highly complex arrangement of active molecules has to be designed. Not by chance! Try to imagine this developing by a hunt-and-peck process of rial and error.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Saturday, August 29, 2020, 18:23 (1330 days ago) @ David Turell

Another mechanism described:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/08/200828091953.htm

"Cells that are infected by a virus or carry a carcinogenic mutation, for example, produce proteins foreign to the body. Antigenic peptides resulting from the degradation of these exogenous proteins inside the cell are loaded by the peptide-loading complex onto so-called major histocompatibility complex molecules (MHC for short) and presented on the cell surface. There, they are specifically identified by T-killer cells, which ultimately leads to the elimination of the infected cells. This is how our immune system defends us against pathogens.

"The peptide-loading complex ensures that the MHC molecules are correctly loaded with antigens. "The peptide-loading complex is a biological nanomachine that has to work with atomic precision in order to efficiently protect us against pathogens that cause disease," says Professor Lars Schäfer,

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"...with our computer-based methods were we able to extract the maximum information content contained in the experimental data," explains Schröder. The atomic model enabled the researchers to perform detailed molecular dynamics computer simulations of the peptide-loading complex and thus to study not only the structure but also the dynamics of the biological nanomachine.

"Since the simulated system is extremely large with its 1.6 million atoms, the computing time at the Leibnitz Supercomputing Centre in Munich aided this task considerably. "Using the high-performance computer, we were able to push into the microsecond time scale in our simulations. This revealed the role of sugar groups bound to the protein for the mechanism of peptide loading, which had previously only been incompletely understood,'"

Comment: A massive system of t his size requires design to work effectively.

Immunity system complexity: building T cell memory

by David Turell @, Monday, September 28, 2020, 22:38 (1299 days ago) @ David Turell

How T cells function when stimulated by infections:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-09-memory-immune.html

"After an infection of the human body with a pathogen, a cascade of reactions will usually be set into motion. Amongst others, specific cells of the immune system known as T cells get activated in the lymph node and will subsequently divide and proliferate.

"At the same time, these cells will gain certain functions, that enable them to destroy other cells, that are e.g. infected by a virus. In addition, they produce certain proteins—so called cytokines—with which they can stop the reproduction of the pathogen.

***

"If a body has fought and eliminated a pathogen successfully, most of the recently proliferated T cells are no longer needed and will die," Wolfgang Kastenmueller explains. But about five to ten percent of these cells survive and develop into a long lasting "memory population," that will protect the body against future infections.

"Kastenmueller describes the main result of his study, "In our recent work we identified a transcription factor—BATF3, that very specifically regulates the survival of these cells and therefore the transition into a memory response." The scientists could show that this factor only gets produced shortly after the initial activation of T cells. The absence of this factor leads to a permanent malfunction of the memory response.

"Until now the role of this factor for so-called CD8+ T cells was unclear. It was only after the scientists overexpressed this factor in CD8+ T cells that the importance became clear, as they could see that the survival of these cells and thus the immunological memory improved significantly."

Comment: A complex design that had to be designed at the start of multicellular life to protect that new form of life.

Immunity system complexity: lipid droplets fight bacteria

by David Turell @, Saturday, October 17, 2020, 20:29 (1281 days ago) @ David Turell

They contain fighting proteins:

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/370/6514/eaay8085.full.pdf

"INTRODUCTION: In all eukaryotic cells, lipid droplets (LDs) store and supply essential
lipids to produce signaling molecules, membrane building blocks, and metabolic energy.
The LD monolayer also accommodates proteins not obviously related to lipids, such as
transcription factors, chromatin components, and toxic proteins. Common parasites (such as trypanosomes and Plasmodium falciparum), bacteria (such as mycobacteria and Chlamydia), and viruses (such as hepatitis C and dengue) induce and target LDs during their life cycles. The current view is that LDs support infection, providing microorganisms with substrates for effective growth.

***

"ONCLUSION: These results demonstrate that LDs form a first-line intracellular defense.
They act as a molecular switch in innate immunity, responding to danger signals by both
reprogramming cell metabolism and eliciting protein-mediated antimicrobial mechanisms.
Mechanisms of LD trafficking and docking with phagocytic and parasitophorous membranes, observed here and described for several pathogens, may facilitate the delivery of
immune proteins located on the LD surface. Intracellular LDs can provide infected cells with
several biological benefits, serving as a location to attract pathogens as well as coordinating different immune systems that operate simultaneously against different classes of pathogens. LDs may also sequester cytotoxic compounds (such as antimicrobial peptides), reducing damage to other cellular organelles. In view of the widespread resistance to current antibiotics, this study helps decipher molecular mechanisms involved in antimicrobial defense
that could be exploited for development of new anti-infective agents."

Comment: A very clever design protecting a cellular food source. Not by chance. For cells to survive bacterial attack, this system had to designed in place when the cells themselves appeared.

Immunity system complexity: how malaria tricks it

by David Turell @, Tuesday, October 27, 2020, 20:18 (1271 days ago) @ David Turell

Its all in the genes:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/malaria-parasite-mosquitoes-genetics-immune-system


During Africa’s dry season, when mosquitoes are scarce, malaria parasites have a hard time spreading to new hosts. So the parasites hide out in the human body by keeping the cells they infect from clinging to blood vessels, researchers report October 26 in Nature Medicine. This way, infected cells get removed from circulation and parasite levels in the body remain low, making people less sick and allowing the parasite to persist undetected.

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Keeping a low profile during dry months is a successful strategy for the parasite, says Martin Rono, a parasitologist at the KEMRI-Wellcome Trust in Kilifi, Kenya, who was not involved in the work. Knowing how malaria parasites persist without causing disease, until mosquitoes return to ferry the organisms from an infected person to the next victim could help efforts to control malaria during the dry season.

Plasmodium falciparum, the parasite responsible for malaria, infects red blood cells as part of a complex life cycle. Once inside a cell, the parasite produces proteins that dock on the cell’s exterior and make it stick to blood vessels so that it won’t be carried to the spleen, where it would otherwise get removed from the body.

Typically, only the early life stages of the parasite circulate in the blood, while older parasites thrive inside red blood cells adhered to blood vessels, says Silvia Portugal, a biologist who led the work while at Heidelberg University Hospital in Germany. “That’s textbook, so it was very surprising” to see that dry-season parasites behaved differently in the lab, she says—the cells weren’t sticking.

***

when the researchers compared which genes were turned on or off in samples taken from asymptomatic people in the dry season and symptomatic people in the wet season, they saw that 1,607 genes had distinct seasonal patterns. In the dry season, 1,131 genes were turned on that were off in wet-season parasites. Another 476 were turned off in dry-season parasites, suggesting that when the wet season ends, P. falciparum may alter its genetics to make red blood cells less sticky. That allows the parasite to replicate and persist without setting off alarm bells that alert the immune system to fight the infection.

Blood cells infected with malaria use certain proteins to adhere to blood vessels almost like Velcro, Portugal says. The loss of stickiness could be because the parasite makes fewer of these proteins, or because the proteins are different in some way.

Comment: Clever hide-out system with Plasmodium editing DNA just like Shapiro describes in bacteria. Did the two organisms share horizontal transfers of some sort? Malaria parasites can survive only if this system is in place from the beginning. Hard to imagine it happened through chance addition of bits and pieces. Leaves open the question of designed by God and back to theodicy we go.

Immunity system complexity:similar plant and animal immunity

by David Turell @, Monday, November 02, 2020, 19:52 (1265 days ago) @ David Turell

They have very similar molecules:

https://phys.org/news/2020-11-animal-immune-similarities.html

"Now, in a study published in the journal Cell Host & Microbe, Zhang and colleagues have discovered that plants have evolved a family of proteins that bear a striking resemblance to proteins called mixed lineage kinase domain-like proteins (MLKLs), which trigger cell death in vertebrates as part of the immune response. In uncovering and characterizing an important new family of plant immune proteins, the authors' study, which involved collaboration with fellow MPIPZ researchers Paul Schulze-Lefert, Jane Parker and Jijie Chai, provides intriguing new insights into how plants protect themselves from microbial invaders.

"Regulated cell death often accompanies immunity against infection in plants, animals and fungi. One pervasive theory suggests that highly localized cell death responses serve to strictly limit the spread of infection. Although starting from independent origins, this shared response seems to also involve highly similar machinery: many proteins involved in cell death in different kingdoms of life contain a so-called HeLo domain, a bundle structure made up of four helices, which causes resistance and cell death by disturbing the integrity of cellular membranes or forming ion channels.

"Based on the similarities between animal and plant immune systems and on the key role played by HeLo domains in cell death, Maekawa hypothesized that plants might also contain other proteins with HeLo domains. Making use of bioinformatic and structural analysis, he and his team discovered a new family of HeLo domain-containing proteins that are widely shared among different plant species, indicating that they are important for plant physiology.

"Maekawa termed the proteins plant MLKLs, and for further studies he focused on MLKLs expressed in the model plant Arabidopsis thaliana. He and his team isolated MLKL proteins from A. thaliana and determined that plant MLKLs possess the same overall protein architecture as their vertebrate counterparts and also assemble into tetramer, likely auto-inhibited, structures when they're not active. Importantly, plant MLKLs also play a role in immunity, as plants in which genes encoding these proteins were mutated and thus non-functional were susceptible to pathogen infection.

Comment: Another form of convergence. My view remains hese dsefigned moleculES must be present when tH organisms appear.

Immunity complexity: the gut produces brain protections

by David Turell @, Wednesday, November 04, 2020, 22:53 (1262 days ago) @ David Turell

It makes antibodies to protect the brain:

https://cosmosmagazine.com/health/body-and-mind/how-the-gut-protects-the-brain/?utm_sou...

"The gut is well known for being the first line of defence against infection, but it seems it also protects our most important organ – the brain.

"According to surprising new research, antibodies that defend the perimeter of the brain are normally found in, and trained by, our gut.

“'This finding opens a new area of neuroimmunology, showing that gut-educated antibody-producing cells inhabit and defend regions that surround the central nervous system,” says Dorian McGavern from the National Institutes of Health, US, co-author of a paper in the journal Nature.

“'This finding was completely unexpected,” says McGavern. “Prior to our study, IgA cells had not been shown to reside in the dura mater – the outer meninge – under steady state conditions.”

"The researchers first found these cells in mice then confirmed that IgA was also present in human cells they collected from the meninges during surgery.

"They used DNA sequencing to identify the origin of these IgA cells and found that, out of millions of IgA sequences, they most closely matched a very specific gut IgA that occurred in the intestine.

"Understandably, the gut microbiome helps gut IgA learn to defend against infections that may enter our stomach and intestine, but these two IgA share an origin, which means brain IgA cells share the same training ground.

“'It’s truly remarkable that in such a small piece of intestine we would see this large an overlap with cells in the meninges,” McGavern says. “These data provide more compelling evidence that the brain is protected by immune cells that are educated in the gut.”

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“'But actually, it makes perfect sense: even a minor breach of the intestinal barrier will allow bugs to enter the bloodstream, with devastating consequences if they’re able to spread into the brain,” says Cambridge’s Menna Clatworthy.

“'Seeding the meninges with antibody-producing cells that are selected to recognise gut microbes ensures defence against the most likely invaders.'”

Comment: The bold is the key to understanding why it is set up like this. It is great design planning since the stomach and gut are the necessary entry into our bodies.

Immunity complexity: eosinophiles protect the gut

by David Turell @, Friday, June 17, 2022, 19:28 (673 days ago) @ David Turell

Eosinophiles, very active in allergies have an important role in the gut:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-06-bad-guy-blood-cells-vital.html

"'The study showed a critical role for eosinophils in facilitating mutualistic interactions between host and microbiota, the millions of bacteria in the gut," Professor Harris said. "It turns our views of eosinophil function on its head and will no doubt spur a lot more research into these relatively rare cells," she said.

"Eosinophils make up about 1–2% of circulating white blood cells in healthy people in developed countries but are present in increased numbers in people who are severely allergic. "They play a tissue-destructive, pathological role in these allergies, they're the bad guys," Professor Harris said.

"Around 10–15 years ago scientists realized that eosinophils accounted for 10–30% of white blood cells in the gastrointestinal tract and asked why. The answer has remained a mystery, Professor Harris said. "We set out to answer why these supposedly tissue-destructive cells were sitting in the gut."

***

"They found that eosinophils coordinated the gut's response to bacteria.

"'They were limiting overt inflammation and by doing that they were limiting tissue damage," Professor Harris said. "The most important factor of this damage is the length of the villi, the finger-like projections that come up from the wall of the intestine, which absorb nutrients.

"'We found eosinophils kept those villi intact and without them the villi became much shorter and lipid uptake was reduced.

"'So, they were helping to maintain this absorptive area that allowed extraction of nutrients from the diet at a proper level."

"The study also found that gut motility was dysregulated in the absence of eosinophils and that they could impact the structure of tissue."

Comment: the immune system doesn't just fight infections, but acts as an important protection mechanism in the gut. The gut microbiome is essential, but if a nasty bug is not held in check, severe infections can happen. A stepwise chance development is very unlikely as compared to design.

Immunity system complexity: gut cells protect the brain

by David Turell @, Wednesday, November 11, 2020, 19:10 (1256 days ago) @ David Turell

The best way for pathogens to get the brain is through the blood from teh gut, so it is gut immune cells that protect the brain:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/brain-infection-gut-immune-system

"A new study in mice finds that immune cells are first trained in the gut to recognize and launch attacks on pathogens, and then migrate to the brain’s surface to protect it, researchers report online November 4 in Nature. These cells were also found in surgically removed parts of human brains.

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"The most common route for a pathogen to end up in the bloodstream is from the gut. “So, it makes perfect sense for these [immune cells] to be educated, trained and selected to recognize things that are present in the gut,” says Menna Clatworthy, an immunologist at the University of Cambridge.

"Clatworthy’s team found antibody-producing plasma cells in the leathery meninges, which lie between the brain and skull, in both mice and humans. These immune cells produced a class of antibodies called immunoglobulin A, or IgA.

"These cells and antibodies are mainly found in the inner lining of the gut and lungs, so the scientists wondered if the cells on the brain had any link to the gut. It turned out that there was: Germ-free mice, which had no microbes in their guts, didn’t have any plasma cells in their meninges either. However, when bacteria from the poop of other mice and humans were transplanted into the mice’s intestines, their gut microbiomes were restored, and the plasma cells then appeared in the meninges.

“'This was a powerful demonstration of how important the gut could be at determining what is found in the meninges,” Clatworthy says.

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“'To my knowledge, this is the first time anyone has shown the presence of plasma cells in the meninges. The study has rewritten the paradigm of what we know about these plasma cells and how they play a critical role in keeping our brain healthy,” says Matthew Hepworth, an immunologist at the University of Manchester in England who was not involved with the study. More research is needed to classify how many of the plasma cells in the meninges come from the gut, he says."

Comment: Based on the source of pathogens in the gut, this design of brain immunity makes perfect sense. The source of Eben Alexander's E. coli meningitis is explained by this concept.

Immunity complexity: gut immune system controls digestion

by David Turell @, Thursday, March 18, 2021, 19:19 (1129 days ago) @ David Turell

New study demonstrates this activity:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-03-duty-gut-immune-food.html


"The small intestine is ground zero for survival of animals. It is responsible for absorbing the nutrients crucial to life and it wards off toxic chemicals and life-threatening bacteria.


"In a new study published March 18 in the journal Science, Yale researchers report the critical role played by the gut's immune system in these key processes. The immune system, they found, not only defends against pathogens but regulates which nutrients are taken in.

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"For instance, the digestive systems of carnivores and herbivores are organized differently to accommodate their specialized diets. Omnivores have the most complex system, which must adapt to a diverse diet of proteins, fats, and carbohydrates depending upon what's available in the environment.

"Sullivan, Medzhitov, and a group of colleagues decided to study how the large numbers of immune cells present inside intestinal tracts might influence nutrition. For instance, a specific immune system signaling molecule, known as interleukin-22 (IL-22), plays a key role in combatting bacterial pathogens such as those that cause food poisoning. The presence of IL-22 also seems to prevent the uptake of certain nutrients in the digestive system when pathogens are present.

"In a series of experiments, the researchers discovered that a specific group of immune system cells—gamma delta T cells—can suppress expression of interleukin-22 in mice and allow the cells on the intestinal wall to activate digestive enzymes and nutrient transporters.

"In addition to providing insights into malnutrition in some parts of the world—where bacterial infections lead to chronic expression of IL-22 and suppress the uptake of nutrients. The findings might also eventually help researchers develop ways to combat high rates of metabolic diseases, such as Type 2 diabetes and obesity in the developed world, Sullivan said."

Comment: 'Good' bacteria play a vital role in our digestion, but there must be designed controls for lurking pathogens in the mix.

Immunity complexity: molecular controls for overreactions

by David Turell @, Thursday, March 25, 2021, 20:12 (1122 days ago) @ David Turell

Overactive immune reactions can be dangerous to normal tissue:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-03-scientists-goldilocks-protein-critical-immune.html

"Scientists at Sinai Health say they have discovered a new pathway that controls dangerous overreactions in a body's immune system, including deadly forms of hyper-inflammation.

"In new findings out today in the journal Science, researchers at the Lunenfeld-Tanenbaum Research Institute (LTRI) detail how a protein known as WAVE2, a protein expressed in all immune cells, plays a critical role in maintaining immune system balance.

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"'Much like Goldilocks, a proper immune response requires such a delicate balance," said Dr. Siminovitch, senior investigator at the LTRI and Canada Research Chair in the Mechanisms Regulating Immunologic Disease. "You have to get it just right. By developing a mouse strain in which T cells, key players in immunity, lack WAVE2, we have shown that this protein is absolutely required for balanced immune responses."

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"'Understanding how to achieve this kind of control in immunity is really important," said Dr. Siminovitch. "This research opens the door to new ways of restoring that balance through the development of new therapeutics that target the WAVE2- mTOR pathway.'"

Comment: as with all biological systems in life, tight controls are necessary and present

Immunity system complexity: macrophage dual duties

by David Turell @, Thursday, January 21, 2021, 20:32 (1185 days ago) @ David Turell

They attack and help healing:

https://phys.org/news/2021-01-closer-immune-cells.html

"Macrophages—immune cells that both fight infections and fix the damage they cause—are often placed into two categories: those that increase inflammation (known as "M1") to attack, and those that decrease inflammation to begin the healing process ("M2").

"Researchers in the lab of Kathryn Miller-Jensen, associate professor of biomedical engineering and molecular, cellular & developmental biology, used single-cell RNA sequencing to get a closer read on how individual macrophages react to different stimuli. They found that, while these cells tend to be multitaskers, some are more inclined toward responding to certain cues than others.

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"'No one had looked at that, and we decided to try it with single-cell sequencing," Miller-Jensen said. By doing so, the Miller-Jensen lab was able to get a much more detailed picture of macrophages' responses when stimulated with both inflammatory and resolving stimuli. They found a great deal of variability, including a subset of cells that seem to respond to only one cue or the other for certain key functions like secretion.

"'The stimuli are the environmental cues, but we're thinking that there might be some variability in the regulatory network inside the cells that allow some of them to respond more strongly to one cue versus another at any given time," Miller-Jensen said.

"It's an important step toward a better understanding of the different types of macrophages.

"'It could help us identify how macrophages exist in these different states in a tumor, or non-healing wounds, and other disease environments," she said. "If we had a more sophisticated understanding of what subsets exist, we might better figure out how to target them or regulate them."

"The researchers note that the diverse responses to opposing cues may allow macrophages to more readily adapt to changing environments, as well as to quickly transition from attack mode to focusing on tissue repair.

"'They might need to respond to a lot of cues at the same time, so a few of the macrophages might be primed to respond and be the attackers," she said. "So when they see both of those cues at the same time, it's important to have at least some of those cells to secrete what needs to be secreted—but maybe not all of those cells, because some may need to do something else.'"

Comment: Very clever design to have these cells multitask.

Immunity system complexity: how dendritic cells work

by David Turell @, Tuesday, March 02, 2021, 19:26 (1145 days ago) @ David Turell

First, what are dendritic cells:

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/dendritic+cell

"Any of various white blood cells that have long projections from the cell body and function in the immune response by taking in and processing antigens and presenting them to T cells in lymph nodes, thus activating the T cells. Immature dendritic cells are found chiefly in skin and mucosal surfaces.

The article:

"Dendritic cells are immune cells that activate 'killer' T cells, which are vital for clearing viral infections, such as COVID-19, but also for triggering a response to cancers such as melanoma and bowel cancer.

"The Flt3L hormone can increase dendritic cell numbers, helping the immune system to fight off cancer and infection.

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"'There is one type of dendritic cell that the body uses to fight some infections and cancer. The Flt3L hormone increases numbers of this particular dendritic cell. We know quite well how the dendritic cell fights the cancer, but we don't know how the Flt3L hormone increases the numbers of those dendritic cells," he said.

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"This research answers a 50-year-long question as to what causes a stem cell to react in response to immense stress, such as infection or inflammation.

"'We have known that the Flt3L hormone increases the number of dendritic cells for decades but now there is a focus on applying this knowledge to cancer immunotherapy and potentially to infection immunotherapy as well," Dr. Naik said."

Comment: we are born with an innate system of which this is a complex part. It tells us that God, as He designed us, recognized the problems cancer from DNA mistakes and pathogens would present to our health. We are trying to discover how to gear up this system to more activity than it now offers.

Immunity system complexity: a signal protein

by David Turell @, Wednesday, March 03, 2021, 19:26 (1144 days ago) @ David Turell

Signals draw immune cells to necessary areas for defense:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-03-reveals-immune-defense-guidance.html

"At the beginning of an immune response, a molecule known to mobilize immune cells into the bloodstream, where they home in on infection sites, rapidly shifts position, a new study shows. Researchers say this indirectly amplifies the attack on foreign microbes or the body's own tissues.

"Past studies had shown that the immune system regulates the concentration of the molecule, sphingosine 1 phosphate (S1P), in order to draw cells to the right locations. The targeted cells have proteins on their surface that are sensitive to levels of this molecule, enabling them to follow the molecule's "trail," researchers say. S1P concentration gradients, for instance, can guide immune T cells to either stay in lymph nodes, connected glands in which these cells mature, or move into blood vessels.

"For the first time, researchers at NYU Grossman School of Medicine showed in mice experiments that S1P levels in lymph nodes increase as the immune response mounts. Such activation of immune cells can cause inflammation, swelling, and/or death of targeted cells.

"While past work had shown that S1P is produced by cells attached to lymph nodes, the new study found that monocytes, circulating immune cells, also produced it when mice were infected with a virus. This in turn may influence the migration of T cells, a set of white blood cells that expands rapidly in response to infection, say the study authors.

"Publishing in the journal Nature online March 3, study results showed that T cells left mouse lymph nodes less than half as fast when S1P levels rose, while mostly immature cells escaped when S1P levels were not spiking.

"'Our research shows a larger role for sphingosine 1 phosphate in coordinating immune defenses in response to infection and inflammation," says study lead investigator Audrey Baeyens, Ph.D., a postdoctoral fellow at NYU Langone and its Skirball Institute of Biomolecular Medicine. "While further testing is needed, our findings raise the prospect of controlling levels of S1P to either boost or diminish the body's immune response, as needed."

"Moreover, the researchers found that when lymph node levels of S1P went up, it signaled T cells to remain in lymph nodes. Such "trapped" T cells, with longer time to mature and become fully armed in the node, increase in their toxicity. These mature T cells can attack cells infected by viruses, or healthy cells as part of autoimmune diseases."

Comment: My usual thought is how did chance mutations find this specific molecule? No way. Design required

Immunity system complexity: massive cell coverage

by David Turell @, Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 20:53 (1096 days ago) @ David Turell

Immune cells build up populations in all organs over a lifetime:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/20/health/sleep-dementia-risk.html?campaign_id=60&e...

"University of Minnesota Medical School researchers have offered new ways to think about the immune system thanks to a recent study published in Nature. Their research, which indicates organ tissues become increasingly immune throughout life, may begin to alter fundamental ideas regarding the rules of vaccination and the immune system's function within the body.

"'Historically, studies of the immune system have emphasized its renewable nature through bone marrow, lymphoid organs and blood. Our work shows how much this model fails to account for the many immune cells distributed throughout other organs of the body, where most infections and tumors arise," Wijeyesinghe said. "What we found ends up painting a much broader picture of how the immune system accomplishes surveillance of the entire body for pathogens, tissue damage and tumors."

"The study's major findings, include:

"Antiviral T cells that reside in most organs of the body persist over time and in the face of extensive infectious exposures;

"Unlike other organ systems, the immune system becomes increasingly immune throughout life, which is a natural response to accumulated microbial exposures over time;

"Up to 25% of the cells in organs were immune cells, indicating that the immune system significantly contributes to the cellular makeup of the body;

"And, along with antiviral T cells, most other immune cells are durably tissue-resident in organs as well."

Comment: A complete system, well designed, recognizing bad bugs (in our view) are all around. I wish we knew the reason God provided them

Immunity system complexity: detergent defenses

by David Turell @, Thursday, July 15, 2021, 19:25 (1010 days ago) @ David Turell

Released by ordinary cells not in the immune cell system:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/human-cells-soap-substance-bacteria-immunity

"These cells, which aren’t part of the immune system, unleash a detergent-like protein that dissolves chunks of the inner membranes of bacteria, killing the infiltrators, researchers report in the July 16 Science.

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"MacMicking and colleagues looked for the molecular basis of that action by infecting laboratory versions of human epithelial cells with Salmonella bacteria, which can exploit cells’ nutrient-rich interior. Then, the team screened over 19,000 human genes, looking for those that conferred some protection from infection.

"One gene, which contains instructions for a protein called APOL3, stood out. When this gene was disabled, the epithelial cells succumbed to a Salmonella infection, even when warned by interferon gamma. Zooming in on APOL3 molecules in action inside host cells with high-powered microscopy, the researchers found that the protein swarms invading bacteria and somehow kills them.

"Salmonella are hardy microbes, protected by an outer and inner membrane, a feature shared by many different forms of bacteria. This double layer renders these bacteria hard to kill, but further investigation revealed how APOL3 and another molecule, GBP1, work together to do it. GBP1 somehow loosens the bacteria’s outer membrane, opening doors for APOL3 to deliver its death-by-dissolution to the inner lipid membrane. APOL3 has both water-loving and lipid-loving parts, letting it to bind to the inner membrane and dissolve it into the intracellular fluid, like soap washing away grease.

“'We were a bit surprised to find detergent-like activity inside human cells,” MacMicking says, given such a molecule could dissolve host membranes too. But the researchers found that APOL3 specifically targets lipids found in bacteria, and its activity is blocked by cholesterol, a common component of mammalian cell membranes, leaving human tissues unaffected.

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“'The really interesting finding is how the APOL3 is able to distinguish between bacterial membranes and host membranes,” she says. That evolution found such an elegant way to control this powerful tool “is a beautiful thing.'”

Comment: As usual, an attacking molecule must come designed from the beginning with protections for the cells that produce the molecule. Only design of the whole mechanism can produce this.

Immunity system complexity: react within limits

by David Turell @, Friday, July 16, 2021, 22:33 (1008 days ago) @ David Turell

The immune system reacts to fight pathogens, but must also react to stop any autoimmune dangerous actions:


https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-immune-reactions.html


"When we are exposed to a pathogen, the immune system's B cells swarm to our lymph nodes, spleens, and tonsils. There, those cells mutate in germinal centers—microscopic boot camps that rush the B cells through volleys of mutations to produce the most potent antibodies for neutralizing the infectious agent. As long as a germinal center is up and running, B cells are free to mature and perfect their approach to fighting disease. But when a germinal center shuts down, usually after a few weeks, the training process grinds to a halt. Whatever antibodies happen to have formed by then are, for better or worse, the immune system's final product.

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"While B cells are the stars of any immune response, a supporting cast of T cells plays a crucial role within germinal centers. Helper T cells feed information to B cells and encourage their growth, while regulatory T cells suppress the entire process. "Helper and regulatory T cells are the gas and brakes of the immune response, respectively," Victora says.

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"In order to further explore the factors that lead to germinal center dissolution, Victora and his team began exploring a protein called Foxp3, which is vitally important for the function of regulatory T cells. By tagging Foxp3 green and germinal centers blue, the researchers were able to zoom in on individual germinal centers in mice and track each B cell bootcamp from its formation until its demise.

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"Upon closer examination, the scientists realized that the rising Foxp3 heralding the end of a germinal center's life was not coming from the regulatory T cells. Instead, the helper T cells themselves had begun expressing Foxp3—former gas pedals suddenly slamming the brakes, helpful promoters transforming into regulators just before the collapse of the germinal center.

"'We were seeing the helpers turn into regulators," Jacobsen says.

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"Extending the lives of our germinal centers after we receive a vaccine, for instance, may help coax our immune systems into making stronger antibodies. On the other hand, shutting down germinal centers may help treat autoimmune diseases—preventing the body from developing very strong antibodies that are potent enough target its own cells and do real damage."

Comment: Having too much immunity reaction can lead to autoimmunity diseases. This is obviously a designed system with obligatory start and stop controls by T calls. A start always needs a stop.

Immunity system complexity: specialized T cells

by David Turell @, Thursday, July 22, 2021, 15:20 (1003 days ago) @ David Turell

A subset for extra protection:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03578-0?WT.ec_id=NATURE-20210722&utm_sou...

"Abstract
The unconventional T cell compartment encompasses a variety of cell subsets that straddle the line between innate and adaptive immunity, often reside at mucosal surfaces and can recognize a wide range of non-polymorphic ligands. Recent advances have highlighted the role of unconventional T cells in tissue homeostasis and disease. In this Review, we recast unconventional T cell subsets according to the class of ligand that they recognize; their expression of semi-invariant or diverse T cell receptors; the structural features that underlie ligand recognition; their acquisition of effector functions in the thymus or periphery; and their distinct functional properties. Unconventional T cells follow specific selection rules and are poised to recognize self or evolutionarily conserved microbial antigens. We discuss these features from an evolutionary perspective to provide insights into the development and function of unconventional T cells. Finally, we elaborate on the functional redundancy of unconventional T cells and their relationship to subsets of innate and adaptive lymphoid cells, and propose that the unconventional T cell compartment has a critical role in our survival by expanding and complementing the role of the conventional T cell compartment in protective immunity, tissue healing and barrier function."

Comment: Paywall protected. All I can present, but this describes how specialized T cells create special ligands, receptor molecular receivers of foreign molecules, which increases the ability to sense invaders and respond.

Immunity system complexity: specific organ protections

by David Turell @, Friday, July 23, 2021, 05:53 (1002 days ago) @ David Turell

The brain is especially well-protected:

https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/23_july_2021/MobilePagedArticle....

"Cugurra et al. (Display footnote number:2) demonstrate in a mouse model a pathway by which the central nervous system (CNS) bypasses this circulatory patrol system and supplies the meninges (the membranes that enclose the brain and spinal cord) with functionally distinct myeloid cells through channels that traverse the skull bone marrow. Moreover, Brioschi et al. demonstrate that the meninges are also populated with B cells directly derived from skull marrow hematopoiesis. These studies show that the brain is an immunologically distinct organ that is surrounded by its own cadre of immune cells.

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"...recent animal studies have demonstrated that these skull-meninges connections have a much more dynamic role, and under pathological conditions such as stroke, they serve as highways for myeloid cells to quickly transmit from skull marrow to the brain parenchyma (Display footnote number:4). Cugurra et al. expand these findings to demonstrate that even under homeostatic conditions, the skull marrow directly supplies myeloid cells to the meninges. These meningeal myeloid cells act as sentries of the brain, poised to respond to the first sign of perturbation.

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"The authors observed that monocytes that infiltrated the spinal cord or optic nerve in these models were primarily derived from CNS-marrow, suggesting that the meningeal monocytes preferentially protect the organ that it borders. Furthermore, gene expression analysis between CNS-marrow-derived versus bloodderived infiltrating monocytes in EAE reveal that blood-derived monocytes were more enriched for proinflammatory pathways, suggesting differential roles for these monocytes in pathological conditions.

"Brioschi et al. also show that the skull marrow supplies the meninges with B cells in mice. These meningeal B cells mature in the dura and learn to recognize and tolerate CNS antigens. However, in aging mice, the meninges become populated with antigen-experienced, aged B cells derived from the peripheral circulation that have the potential to disrupt the balance of the distinct CNS immune milieu.

"Cugurra et al. and Brioschi et al. suggest that the brain is distinct in having a direct bone marrow pipeline of immune cells to the borders of the brain (see the figure). Although other organs such as heart, lungs, and visceral organs do not have this selective pipeline, it is often forgotten that all these organs do have an organized structure or reservoir of immune cells at their borders. In 1906, the omentum, which covers the visceral organs, was referred to as “the policeman of the abdomen” because it attenuates peritonitis and improves surgi-cal wound healing (Display footnote number:6). Areas on the omentum called milky spots contain immune cells that can promote angiogenesis (Display footnote number:7) and tissue repair (Display footnote number:8).

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"Having a pool of mature immune cells surrounding an organ provides a critical, immediately available reservoir of specific immune cells. For example, recruitment of monocytes from bone marrow to tissues where they become mature macrophages to initiate repair could take days, especially if new vasculature needs to be constructed. By contrast, a population of mature monocytes in the CNS, or mature GATA6+ macrophages in visceral cavities, are poised to instantly respond to brain, heart, or lung injury."

Comment: Let's concentrate on the brains protections. This is obviously a purposeful design. The brain is so important it should have immediate strong protections, built-in all around it. Chance mutations are not going to find this necessary, since they are not drive by designing thoughts. Only purposeful design creates this.

Immunity system complexity: nets capture bacteria

by David Turell @, Friday, September 10, 2021, 19:17 (953 days ago) @ David Turell

Done by neutrophiles and macrophages:

https://phys.org/news/2021-09-caught-web-reveals-immune-cells.html

"'Neutrophils produce the spider webs that immobilize the bacteria, and macrophages are the spiders that engulf and kill the bacteria," said Eric Skaar, Ph.D., MPH, Ernest W. Goodpasture Professor of Pathology, Microbiology and Immunology and director of the Vanderbilt Institute for Infection, Immunology and Inflammation.

"Staph bacteria—particularly antibiotic-resistant forms—are a leading cause of hospital-acquired infections, infectious heart disease and pus-forming skin and soft tissue infections.

"Neutrophils and macrophages are both phagocytic cells known for ingesting bacteria and producing antimicrobial peptides, reactive oxygen species and other enzymes to fight infection. NET generation (NETosis), thought to be a form of programmed cell death, is a more recently discovered neutrophil antibacterial strategy, Skaar said. The released neutrophil DNA creates a sticky trap that is also studded with antimicrobial peptides.

"Monteith and colleagues used neutrophils that undergo increased NETosis in animal and in vitro model systems to study the biological function of NETs. They found that increased NETosis did not provide a killing advantage to neutrophils in isolation. But when macrophages were present, NET formation enhanced macrophage antibacterial activity by increasing phagocytosis—of staph bacteria stuck in the NETs along with neutrophil antimicrobial peptides.

"'The macrophages end up with not only their own antibacterial arsenal, but also the neutrophils' antibacterial arsenal, all in the same compartment killing the bacteria," Skaar said.

"Increased NETosis also boosted macrophage killing of other bacterial pathogens including Streptococcus pneumoniae and Pseudomonas aeruginosa. The findings suggest that neutrophil/NET-macrophage cooperation is a broadly used immune defense mechanism."

Comment: A other very complex system that must have been designed all at once

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Monday, November 22, 2021, 23:42 (879 days ago) @ David Turell

New research on T call response to infection:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-11-cells-infection-disease.html

"T cells communicate with other cells in the body in search of infections or diseases. This crosstalk relies on specialized receptors known as T cell receptors that recognize foreign molecular fragments from an infection or cancer that are presented for detection by particular molecules called major histocompatibility complex (MHC) or MHC-like.

"In this study, Monash Biomedicine Discovery Institute scientists have expanded the understanding of how a poorly defined class of gamma delta T cells recognizes an MHC-like molecule known as MR1. MR1 is a protein sensor that takes cellular products generated during infections or disease and presents them for T cells to detect, thereby alerting the immune system.

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"By using a high-intensity X-ray beam at the Australian Synchrotron, the scientists were able to obtain a detailed 3D atomic model of how the gamma delta T cell receptor recognizes MR1. What sets these cells apart from others seems to be the unusual ways in which they interact with MR1. This work further recasts our understanding of how T cell receptors can interact with specialized MHC-like molecules and represents a notable development for our understanding of T cell biology.

"Mr Rice stated: "By using high-resolution protein imaging and biochemical assays, we were able to identify key mechanisms that govern gamma delta T cell receptor recognition of MR1, a key sensor of bacterial infection."

"Co-lead author Dr. Gully said: "These cells have evaded characterisation for a long time, leading to many assumptions on how they become activated. Here we have shown that these gamma delta T cells can recognize MHC-like molecules in their own unique ways and in ways we could not have predicted."

Comment: here is a marvelous example of how T cells act automatically to fight infections and cancer. The whole immune system is programmed to fit infections and invasions (note the red skin around a splinter) The cells are not innately intelligent, but completely automatic. Cells act automatically, and following intelligent information (instructions) appear to BE intelligent, inferring they use an innate intelligence they do not have.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells develop, spread

by David Turell @, Friday, December 10, 2021, 15:51 (862 days ago) @ David Turell

Many T cells are tissue residents, not free floating in the circulation and have other functions than as killers:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abf0095

"Conventional T cells recognize peptides that are presented by polymorphic major histocompatibility complexes (MHCs). By contrast, many tissue-resident T cells, such as mucosal-associated invariant T cells, invariant natural killer T cells, and γδ T cells, respond to modified peptides and small molecules presented by conserved MHC-like molecules. Unconventional T cells are important for host defense and tissue repair and seed tissues during critical early-life windows of development.

"In addition to providing antimicrobial immunity, the immune system governs numerous aspects of host physiology, in part through the coordinated action of tissue-resident lymphocytes. Although conventional T cells recognize peptides presented by polymorphic major histocompatibility complexes (MHCs), a large proportion of T cells within tissues are specific for modified peptides and small molecules. These unconventional T cells are restricted by monomorphic MHC molecules, many of which exhibit a high level of conservation across species, suggesting an essential role for these cells throughout evolution. Some unconventional T cells express semi-invariant T cell receptors (TCRs) that limit their antigenic range analogously to innate immune receptors. Termed innate-like T cells, these populations developmentally acquire effector characteristics prior to thymic egress, including rapid cytokine release and expression of chemokine receptors and integrins. Without the necessity of antigen-mediated activation within secondary lymphoid organs, innate-like T cells accumulate within tissues earlier than conventional effector T cells. Consequently, recent work has shown that these unconventional T cells are particularly responsive to early-life signals and promote the maintenance of tissue homeostasis as a coordinated network.

"As a consequence of their emergence in early life, unconventional T cells contribute to the initial dialog between the host and the microbiota, on which some subsets depend for their development. Exposure to commensal microbes during the first weeks of life imprints the abundance of mucosal-associated invariant T (MAIT) cells and invariant natural killer T (iNKT) cells in tissues, due to both TCR-mediated activation and modulation of tissue-specific chemokines. Epithelial cell expression of host molecules in early life is also necessary for the accumulation of a defined subset of γδ T cells. Absence of these early-life signals cannot be compensated for later in life and has long-lasting consequences for host physiology, rendering adult animals more susceptible to inflammation.....Although unconventional T cells exhibit overlapping roles, their disparate stratification within epithelial tissues suggests that each population may serve a unique purpose in maintaining tissue homeostasis. Animal models deficient in subsets of unconventional T cells exhibit compensatory increases of other unconventional T cells, indicating that these populations constitute a network of redundant cellular mechanisms that contribute to tissue resilience. However, inflammation can abrogate the expression of epithelial molecules that maintain a subset γδ T cells, resulting in a compensatory increase in more inflammatory γδ T cells that predispose the tissue to chronic inflammation."

Comment: the key to the importance of these cells is that they develop at birth and quickly learn to recognize and neutralize foreign proteins. Obviously, continuing to live without dangerous infections is a requirement for life and this system is designed for just that protection. The cells arrive at birth with this built-in ability. Unfortunately, improper inflammatory responses can happen as noted here and in our previous discussions. Much of this research is directed at finding correcting therapy.

Immunity system complexity: baby immunity is strong

by David Turell @, Friday, December 10, 2021, 20:23 (862 days ago) @ David Turell

Stronger than adult immunity:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-infants-affected-covid-adults.html

"In the new study, Farber and colleagues leveled the playing field and only tested the immune system's ability to respond to a new pathogen, essentially eliminating any contribution from immunological memories.

"For the head-to-head comparison, the researchers collected naïve T cells—immune cells that have never encountered a pathogen—from both infant and adult mice. The cells were placed into an adult mouse infected with a virus.

"In the competition to eradicate the virus, the infant T cells won handily: Naïve T cells from infant mice detect lower levels of the virus than adult cells and the infant cells proliferated faster and traveled in greater numbers to the site of infection, rapidly building a strong defense against the virus. A laboratory comparison found similar enhancements among human infant compared to adult T cells.

"'We were looking at naïve T cells that have never been activated, so it was a surprise that they behaved differently based on age," Farber says. "What this is saying is that the infant's immune system is robust, it's efficient, and it can get rid of pathogens in early life. In some ways, it may be even better than the adult immune system, since it's designed to respond to a multitude of new pathogens."

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"The findings also help explain why vaccines are particularly effective in childhood, when T cells are very robust. "That is the time to get vaccines and you shouldn't worry about getting multiple vaccines in that window," Farber says. "Any child living in the world, particularly before we started wearing masks, is exposed to a huge number of new antigens every day. They're already handling multiple exposures.'"

Comment: newborns arrive unprotected but with a robust system that is designed to be fiercely protective immediately. Automaticity is required by design.

Immunity system complexity: T cell preservation

by David Turell @, Wednesday, December 22, 2021, 17:53 (850 days ago) @ David Turell

They protect us and must live for great periods of time:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-12-previously-unknown-pathway-essential-cell.html

"They are at the forefront in the fight against viruses, bacteria, and malignant cells: the T cells of our immune system. But the older we get, the fewer of them our body produces. Thus, how long we remain healthy also depends on how long the T cells survive. Researchers at the University of Basel have now uncovered a previously unknown signaling pathway essential for T cell viability.

"Like human beings, every cell in our body tries to ward off death as long as it can. This is particular true for a specific type of immune cells, called T-lymphocytes, or T cells for short. These cells keep viruses, bacteria, parasites and cancerous cells at bay. While T cell production is an active process in infants, children and young adults, it comes to a gradual stop upon aging, meaning that in order to maintain adequate immunity up to an old age, your T cells should better live as long as you.

"How T cells manage to survive for such a long time, up to several decades in humans, has long remained unclear. In collaboration with scientists at the Department of Biomedicine and sciCORE, the Center for Scientific Computing of the University of Basel, Professor Jean Pieters' research group at the Biozentrum has now revealed the existence of a hitherto unrecognized pathway promoting long-term survival of T cells. In Science Signaling they report that this signaling pathway, regulated by the protein coronin 1, is responsible for suppressing T cell death.

"In earlier research, Pieters' team and others had shown that coronin 1 is essential for the survival of peripheral T cells while being dispensable for their production and maturation. In their current study, the team has now been able to show that pathways previously thought to be implicated in T cell survival were in fact independent of coronin 1, and they furthermore uncovered a unknown coronin 1-driven signaling pathway that regulates T cell survival.

***

"Strikingly, there was a positive match linking coronin 1-dependent T cell survival to a pathway involving the modification of the plasma membrane composition by the lipid kinase PI3Kdelta. Together with PI3K expert Professor Matthias Wyman at the Department of Biomedicine, the researchers were able to put together the pieces of the puzzle, leading to their realization that coronin 1 maintains PI3Kdelta activity and, in this way, suppresses T cell death."

Comment: this back up system recognizes the need for T cell preservation, and therefore must be designed from the beginning or we would have not survived infections. This shows foresight of the future is required in creating new designs

Immunity system complexity: packing DNA

by David Turell @, Monday, January 17, 2022, 19:24 (824 days ago) @ David Turell

At six feet long it must be packed for cell division in a way that it will not be damaged by cell splitting:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/01/220113151434.htm

"Threads or earphone cables placed in tight spaces get easily tangled. On the contrary, our body's long and loose DNA packs into rod-shaped chromosomes one-millionth its size when the cell divides. If cell division occurs with DNA that is almost two meters in length, there is the risk of damage or loss in genetic information. Therefore, the condensation of chromosomes is essential to accurately transmitting genetic information.

***

"The packing mechanism that condenses the chromosomes into one-millionth its size without any tangling and the 3D structure that enables this have puzzled researchers for over a half a century. However, it has been difficult to observe the chromosomes in their native condition. The researchers had to resort to detecting only some components of the chromosomes or infer their condensed state from looking at their uncoiled state.

"This study verified the 3D structure of chromosomes by using coherent X-rays generated from the 3rd generation synchrotron facility after rapidly freezing the hydrated chromosomes and maintaining them in a cryogenic state. This is the research that uncovered the structure of the chromosomes in native states, unlike conventional techniques that thinly cut or dyed them.

"Through the study, the research team confirmed that the chromosomes were formed in a fractal structure rather than the hierarchical structure stated in previous studies. In addition, a physical model showing the packing process of chromosomes was presented."

Comment: following a fractal formula is simply repeating the same basic pattern over and over in a branching system. Not likely natural forces found this solution which had to be present with the first bacteria formed. Since cell division is constantly happening to keep tissues fresh, this vital system must work correctly to preserve genome integrity, avoiding errors which will cause diseases by mistakes. Not yet described but obviously necessary are the multiple shepherding molecules acting automatically at nanosecond speed.

Immunity system complexity: explaining B cells

by David Turell @, Monday, February 14, 2022, 17:49 (796 days ago) @ David Turell

More complexity is found:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-02-stowaway-cells-lungs-blueprint-flu.html

"Does a distinct population of B cells emerge after influenza infection, and if so, are these cells uniquely identified by specific biological signatures? The answers to both questions are resoundingly, "yes." Yet the institute's research didn't end there.

"As part of the same group of studies, Australian immunologists also found that these B cells are not only flu-specific, they sequester themselves in the lungs in a residential positioning that allows a strategic advantage. Should flu—or possibly any other respiratory infection—strike in the future, these stowaway B cells can leap into action more efficiently.

"'Recent studies have established that memory B cells, largely thought to be circulatory in the blood, can take up long-term residency in inflamed tissues," explained Dr. Hyon-Xhi Tan, writing in Science Immunology.

***

"The flu-specific B cells, the researchers found, are analogous to the already well-described tissue-resident T cells. The research suggests that B resident memory cells may be special players in B cell immunity. They stay in the lung mucosa to offer a swift response against not only influenza but possibly viral respiratory infections of all kinds.

***

"B cells, or B lymphocytes, as they are more precisely known, are part of the highly specific portion of the immune system, which includes T cells. Together, these two broad categories of lymphocytes are at the heart of the adaptive immune response. The adaptive response is interchangeably known as acquired immunity, or the humoral response, which differs from innate immunity. That broad unrestrained response is mediated by a cascade of cells and proteins. Natural killer cells are part of the innate response, as are cytokines and the explosive, uncontrolled reaction called the cytokine storm.

"The innate response, which is present at birth and is the first throughout life to converge on sites of infection or tissue injury, differs from the adaptive. Emerging around the time babies enter the toddler stage, the adaptive immune response is far more targeted and specific.

"B cells, for example, can form memories of previous infections and also produce antibodies. Memory B cells recognize antigens from earlier infectious assaults on the body. They differentiate into antibody-producing plasma B cells when the antigen is again encountered and a rapid antibody response is required. The first time a B cell encounters an antigen, it can take up to 15 days to produce sufficient neutralizing antibodies to quell the pathogen. The second time the same pathogen is encountered, memory B cells, which morph into antibody-producing plasma cells, respond in as few as five days and flood infiltrating pathogens with 100 times more antibodies than during the first encounter.

***

"The stowaway B cells that researchers discovered are located in bronchus-associated lymphoid tissue in the lungs of mice and express the lung residency marker proteins CXCR3, CCR6, and CD69. The team additionally studied human cell lines to further their analyses of these critical cells, and again found resident B cells as stowaways in the lungs.

"'These data suggest that B resident memory cells may constitute a discrete component of B cell immunity, positioned at the lung mucosa for rapid humoral response against respiratory viral infections," Tan wrote in Science Immunology.

"The investigators found that B resident memory cells have distinct transcriptional signatures in both mice and humans that differ from regular memory B cells in the blood or spleen.

"Resident B cells in the lungs show partial resemblance to memory B cells in lung-draining lymph nodes. Lung-resident memory B cells establish themselves in the lungs after pulmonary influenza and display distinct transcriptional and phenotypic profiles, the research concluded."

Comment: the newborn starts with interferon and other early innate defenses provided by Mother's colostrum. but B cells and T cells, each in their own way, build a full library of
antibodies tov display when necessary. The cells are programmed to do this. We are still discovering the complexity of God's design

Immunity system complexity: telling self from non-self

by David Turell @, Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 17:35 (795 days ago) @ David Turell

In specialized T cells:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-02-scientists-uncover-unique-immune-cell.html

"Researchers at the Francis Crick Institute and King's College London have identified how specialist immune cells, called gamma delta T cells (γδ T cells), sense the body's status quo, enabling them to assess the health of surface tissues and even protect against cancer-causing DNA damage.

***

"Most T cells are present in the blood and lymph nodes and become active when they recognize a specific target or threat, commonly from a foreign infectious agent. But, γδ T cells exist within epithelial tissues like the skin and gut lining and survey the body's own cells for any signs of damage or disease. Until now, however, researchers haven't understood how these unique cells might tell the difference between healthy and damaged tissue. (my bold)

"To try to solve this, the research team examined the interactions occurring between skin γδ T cells and the cells that form the structure of mouse skin. They found that whereas most normal T-cells would recognize proteins derived from viruses or bacteria, γδ T cells sense a molecule called Skint1, which is displayed by healthy skin cells.

"This establishes that skin γδ T cells are actively monitoring and interacting with their surroundings in the absence of any obvious threat, a previously unappreciated concept in T cell biology.

"When the researchers then blocked Skint1 binding, thereby preventing γδ T cells from being able to sense the state of the skin, they observed that the γδ T cells failed to function properly. As a result, the barrier function of the skin was compromised, again providing evidence that T cells are working day-to-day to protect body surfaces, even in the absence of identifiable threats.

"The team next exposed the skin to common forms of stress including UV radiation and irritating chemicals, and found that when γδ T cells weren't able to see Skint1, they also weren't able to discern these environmental challenges and help the skin recover.

"The team say that their findings demonstrate that immune cell interactions with normal tissues can be key to mounting an effective response against subsequent damage or infection.

"Duncan McKenzie, lead researcher and postdoctoral training fellow in the Crick's Immunosurveillance Laboratory, said: "In order to sense disruption these cells need to know what's normal for the tissue. Like security guards, they stay familiar with their surroundings so that they can most effectively identify when things go wrong.

"Although we've specifically looked at interactions in mouse skin, we know that there are molecules similar to Skint1 in different tissues, including the human gut lining, where many γδ T cells are found. Our findings may therefore help to explain how γδ T cells maintain and protect many different parts of the human body."

***

"He said: "As we learn more about different immune cell responses, we are challenging the universal interpretation that immune cells simply detect and respond to threats.

"'By studying how immune cells contribute to general physiologic processes, such as maintaining barrier integrity, day-to-day, we may identify many molecules and interactions, some of which may prove appropriate targets in formulating immunotherapies and vaccines for different diseases.'"

Comment: the design never ceases to amaze how complex it is. Rapid automatic response to invaders is vital.

Immunity system complexity: protecting the brain

by David Turell @, Thursday, March 17, 2022, 14:07 (765 days ago) @ David Turell

The blood brain boundary has skull channel openings for direct immune response:

https://www.sciencealert.com/there-are-secret-tunnels-connecting-your-skull-and-the-bra...

"...a team of medical researchers confirmed in mice and humans in 2018 – tiny channels that connect skull bone marrow to the lining of the brain.

"The research shows they may provide a direct route for immune cells to rush from the marrow into the brain in the event of damage.

***

"The tiny tunnels were uncovered when a team of researchers set out to learn whether immune cells delivered to the brain following a stroke or meningitis originated from the skull, or the larger of the two bones in the shin – the tibia.

"The specific immune cells they followed were neutrophils, the "first responders" of the immune squad. When something goes awry, these are among the first cells the body sends to the site to help mitigate whatever is causing the inflammation.

***

"Using organ-bath microscopy – which uses a chamber full of solution to maintain the integrity of the isolated tissue while it is being examined – the team imaged the inner surface of a mouse's skull. There, they found microscopic vascular channels directly connecting the skull marrow with the dura, the protective membrane that encases the brain.

"Normally, red blood cells flow through these channels from the interior of the skull to the bone marrow; but, in the case of stroke, they were mobilized to transport neutrophils in the opposite direction, from the marrow to the brain.

"This was in mice, though. To find out if humans have something similar, the researchers obtained pieces of human skull from surgery and conducted detailed imaging.

"They noticed channels there as well; five times larger in diameter than the channels in the mouse skulls, in both the inner and outer layers of bone."

Comment: An amazing brain protection. this illustrates as aspect of immunity I've neglected, neutrophiles, the largest number of white cells circulating in blood. These are first responders as direct attack cells, antibodies not involved, since reacting and producing an antibodies takes time to appear. A beautifully designed system.

Immunity system complexity: T c ell activity

by David Turell @, Saturday, April 16, 2022, 20:36 (735 days ago) @ David Turell

There are many types of T cells working alongside B cells:

https://offers.the-scientist.com/hubfs/TS_PPL_Sartorius_T%20Cell_White%20Paper/Understa...

"The human immune system is made up of a complex network of cells that provide continuous surveillance for anything that is non-self, such as bacteria or viruses. There are two main branches—innate and adaptive immunity—that serve different functions but work together to overcome the different challenges the body may face. Innate immune cells are responsible for the initial response, rapidly recognizing the antigen, and generating a proinflammatory response to quickly and efficiently contain it. This includes the recruitment of macrophages, neutrophils, monocytes and dendritic cells, which in turn stimulates cells in the adaptive immunity pathway to multiply and differentiate to overcome the specific infection.This adaptive branch is mainly made up of the thymus-derived lymphocytes (T lymphocytes) and bone-marrow-derived lymphocytes (B lymphocytes), and its roles include the elimination of foreign species, the formation of immunological memory, and ensuring tolerance to self-antigens. Natural killer cells (NK cells) lie in between the two branches, as they possess some qualities of both

"T cells are vital for pathogen elimination and tumor immunosurveillance, and the body is capable of producing an array of specialized T cells that provide unique responses to the diverse spectrum of tumor cells and pathogens (viruses, bacteria, and parasites) that are
capable of penetrating host defenses. Upon elimination of a tumor or pathogen, the majority of adaptive cells die, and memory cells are formed to provide a rapid response should recurrence or reinfection occur. The immune system therefore relies on a fine balance of pathways to regulate immune activation and immune suppression in order to maintain homeostasis. Too much suppression can reduce host tumor immunosurveillance, allowing
oncogenic cells to proliferate uncontrollably, while over-activation of the immune system can lead to autoimmune diseases.

"T cell’ is an overarching term to describe the function of these immune cells, however, there are multiple subtypes with very distinctive roles. Determining the differences and similarities between these cell populations is vital to understand the roles they could play in therapeutics. The two main types of T cells—cytotoxic (TC) and helper (TH)—can be broken down into further subtypes, and there are also additional populations, such as invariant natural killer T (iNKT) cells, and mucosal associated invariant T (MAIT) cells.

"TC cells are programmed to kill infected cells and tumors, while TH cells produce cytokines and chemokines that recruit and activate other immune cell subsets at areas of infection. TH cells can be split into numerous subsets that are specialized for different
effector functions. The main subsets are TH1 (respond to virus and intracellular bacteria), TH2 (parasites), TH17 (extracellular bacteria and fungi), TH9, T follicular helper
cells (TFH), and regulatory T cells (TREG). T cells recognize pathogens by binding with antigen presenting cells (APCs) that process foreign proteins and display antigens complexed with major histocompatibility complexes (MHCs) on their cell surface, where it can
interact with TCRs. The recognition of pathogens by APCs leads to the release of cytokines that cause the genetic differentiation of T cells into specific subsets, allowing them to effectively respond to and eliminate the pathogen. For instance, interferon (IFN)-α/β and
IL-12 cytokines are generated in response to many viruses, and induce the expression of the transcription factor T-bet, causing T cells to differentiate into the TH1 subset."

Comment: Presented to overwhelm. A grand complexity of active T cell types. God offered a dog-eat-dog form of life, but also designed protections. dhw will ask why God chose that approach. As usual I can't know what was on God's mind to make Him choose that design. I accept that is what He supplied for us for His good reasons.

Immunity system complexity: macrophage spread

by David Turell @, Saturday, April 23, 2022, 19:47 (728 days ago) @ David Turell

By cell division:

https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/22_april_2022_Main/MobilePagedAr...

"Cells migrate through crowded microenvironments within tissues during normal development, immune response, and cancer metastasis. Although migration through pores and tracks in the extracellular matrix (ECM) has been well studied, little is known about cellular traversal into confining cell-dense tissues. We find that embryonic tissue invasion by Drosophila macrophages requires division of an epithelial ectodermal cell at the site of entry. Dividing ectodermal cells disassemble ECM attachment formed by integrin-mediated focal adhesions next to mesodermal cells, allowing macrophages to move their nuclei ahead and invade between two immediately adjacent tissues. Invasion efficiency depends on division frequency, but reduction of adhesion strength allows macrophage entry independently of division. This work demonstrates that tissue dynamics can regulate cellular infiltration.

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"Macrophages are scavenger cells that invade tissues early on in development to establish residency and patrol organs (Display footnote number... This first macrophage requires ∼20 min to enter through the tissue barrier, using αPS2- and βPS-integrins that bind to laminin. Matrix metalloproteolytic ECM degradation does not affect the efficiency of entry (Display footnote number:10) but macrophage-specific programs do. How the dynamics and properties of surrounding cells influence macrophage tissue invasion remains unclear.

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"We have pinpointed surrounding tissue division as the crucial variable affecting the rate of entry of the first Drosophila macrophage. Vertebrate mitosis also leads to diminishment of focal adhesions. Our findings suggest that regulation of division during development, inflammation, or tumor growth could affect the number and placement of immune cells in tissues in a wide range of normal and disease contexts."

Comment: Macrophages. as front-line direct killers, must be spread throughout the embryo as it develops. Another example of careful design.

Immunity system complexity: a B cell is found, new

by David Turell @, Friday, May 13, 2022, 17:54 (708 days ago) @ David Turell

Had been seen in mice, now definite4ly in humans:

https://www.livescience.com/newfound-prenatal-immune-cells?utm_source=SmartBrief&ut...

"In helping to construct this atlas of the human body, Teichmann and her colleagues recently focused their efforts on immune cells, and in particular, the immune cells that emerge during early human development. It was through this work that they uncovered evidence of human B-1 cells. "What we show is that they do indeed exist in humans," Teichmann said during a news briefing on May 10.

***

"The analyses featured cells from nine developing tissues, such as the thymus, a gland that makes immune cells and hormones, and the embryonic yolk sac, a small structure that nourishes the embryo in early pregnancy. All the tissue samples analyzed by the team came from the Human Developmental Biology Resource, a tissue bank in the U.K. that stores human embryonic and fetal tissues, with written permission from donors. They also incorporated publicly available data from previous HCA studies.

"In all, the data covered an early period of development ranging from four to 17 weeks post-fertilization, so within the first and second trimesters.

***

"Through this detailed analysis, the team spotted cells that matched the description of B-1 cells found in mice, both in terms of their attributes and the timing of their emergence.

"In the mouse system, the B-1 cells arise early — they arise first," Rothstein said. A different type of immune cell, appropriately called B-2, then emerges after the first B-1 cells and ultimately becomes the most abundant form of B cell in the mouse. The new study suggests that something similar happens in humans, where B-1 cells arise and are most abundant in early development, Rothstein told Live Science.

"What purpose might these special cells serve in a developing human? They may help to sculpt new tissues as they form, Teichmann said."

Comment: using lesser animals in resear5ch we find hints of what might exist in humans. That is the proper way to view evolution, as early developments can be used in the future.

Immunity system complexity: T cell differentiating enemies

by David Turell @, Friday, May 20, 2022, 17:20 (701 days ago) @ David Turell

Ways to tell self from non-self:

https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/20_may_2022/MobilePagedArticle.a...

"An immune response involves a coordinated orchestra of antigenrecognizing cells (e.g., T cells) and signaling molecules to mount a specific response against a pathogen. Although systems immunology offers a growing list of molecular interactions that are involved in antigen-specific immune responses, an understanding of how a response is mediated by different antigen characteristics is still lacking.

***

"Discriminating between an organism’s self-molecules and foreign (nonself ) antigens is the hallmark of adaptive immunity. To achieve such specificity, the current model of T cell development in the thymus proposes that cells with very high reactivity to self-molecules (strong agonists) should be negatively selected, those with no reactivity (nonagonists) should die from neglect, and those with moderate reactivity (weak agonists) should be positively selected and enter peripheral tissues. This classification has led to the concept of antigen quality as a predictor for the efficacy of adaptive immune responses.

"Antigen-specific immune responses are highly sensitive to even a small amount of foreign antigens. To achieve such a degree of sensitivity and specificity, T cells sense the level of immune activity in their environments (quorum sensing) through interactions with signaling molecules and use this collective information to gauge the severity of a threat associated with an antigen. As a result, a mechanistic model of antigen-specific immune responses could involve a large number of cellular and molecular interactions with feedback, which are at least partially unknown.

***

"..antigen recognition by T cells goes beyond equilibrium binding and involves kinetic proofreading mechanisms, whereby two or more antigen recognition events are combined to assure the fidelity of a response (i.e., the interactions are kinetically proofread). This mechanism is particularly crucial because self-antigens are present at much higher concentrations than nonself antigens, and their dissociation time from TCRs is only a few seconds shorter than that of nonself antigens (i.e., they have comparable binding constants).

"The structure of the inferred latent representation reflects the amount of information encoded by biologically plausible immune profiles. Achar et al. found that the inferred latent representation can associate immune response profiles to six different classes of antigens, which goes beyond the three conventional antigen classes of strong agonists, weak agonists, and nonagonists. It remains to be seen how these six classes are related to the biologically meaningful molecular features of antigens." (my bold)

Comment: please read the above carefully. It describes how scientists are trying to fully understand T cell functions and find they can differentiate self from non-self in six levels. These are vital protections from infection. They must work properly or organisms will not survive. There is no way a trial and error approach will work. It can only appear i nits present form if it were totally designed, as is, from the beginning.

Immunity system complexity: T cell differentiating daughters

by David Turell @, Friday, May 20, 2022, 22:51 (700 days ago) @ David Turell

One new T cell remembers en emies , the other fights them::

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-05-killer-memory-dna-isnt-destiny.html

"The researchers showed how a specific protein complex guides translation of an important immune transcription factor in one region of the parent T cell. When the cell divides, because the transcription factor is only in one region, it is then inherited asymmetrically into two daughter cells. The transcription factor drives expression of a set of genes in one daughter cell, pushing it to become an effector cell, while the other becomes a memory cell.

"'Our results hint that events that happen very early in a T cell's life can influence the function of the cell much later," said corresponding author Doug Green, Ph.D., St. Jude Department of Immunology chair. "We have uncovered one way in which the immune system ensures that when T cells are activated, the response will be diverse, with some cells, the effectors, launching a rapid assault on the invader and others hanging back in reserve for later, as memory cells."

"The immune system has many different cell types with varied functions. One major cell type is CD8+ T cells. These cells are responsible for directly killing infected and tumor cells. They are activated by a special cell that presents a bit of virus or tumor cell, called an antigen, on their surface. The point of contact between T cells and the antigen-presenting cells is called the immune synapse. After activation, the T cells divide into genetically identical daughter cells.

***

"...the researchers discovered that the protein complex that makes c-Myc was only present near the immune synapse. The specific complex responsible for translating c-Myc is called the eukaryotic translation initiation factor 4F (eIF4F) complex. The eIF4F complex is translation machinery, which takes mRNA messages and makes them into proteins, in this case, c-Myc.

"The c-myc mRNA has a complicated structure on one end. Only the eIF4F complex can use the complicated structure of the c-myc mRNA to start the translation process into protein. Therefore, c-Myc is only produced where eIF4F is present, which relegates c-Myc to one side of the cell.

"This is the first time that the location of translation machinery has been described as the reason why a protein is present in only one part of the cell.

***

"'This study is the first time that we could say, with confidence, that two sister cells can have very different gene expression patterns," Green said. "The study also demonstrates that there are basic principles of cellular architecture, which create platforms on which intracellular events can localize. Upon division, asymmetries in the distribution of these platforms can result in diversification of cell fate. The details may not be the same for other cell types, but the principles are likely to hold.'"

Comment: a cleaver solution, since T cells must attack antigens, but also need memory of past attacks to be fully prepared for new ones. Like all T-cell functions, this had to be designed to protect organisms from the beginning of tbeir origin in evolution.

Immunity system complexity: T cell maintenance

by David Turell @, Saturday, May 28, 2022, 18:51 (693 days ago) @ David Turell

Special protein factors keep them ready:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-05-cells-require-rest-maintenance.html

"T cells, biology textbooks teach us, are the soldiers of the immune system, constantly on the ready to respond to a variety of threats, from viruses to tumors. However, without rest and maintenance T cells can die and leave their hosts more susceptible to pathogens, Yale scientists report May 27 in the journal Science.

***

"In the new study, Yale researchers show that a protein known as CD8a—which is found in a subset of T cells called CD8 cells—is crucial to keeping the cells in this dormant state. When scientists deleted this protein in mice, the protective CD8 cells were unable to enter a quiescent state and died, leaving the host vulnerable to infections.

"Further, they identified another protein, PILRa, that provides a biochemical signal to CD8a. By disrupting this protein pair, both "memory" CD8 cells—cells that previously had been exposed to pathogens—and naïve cells died because they lacked the ability to stay in a quiescent state.

"The researchers hope that understanding why this resting state is crucial to maintenance and survival of T cells can lead to improved immune system function.

"Chen noted that as people age, they tend to lose both naïve and memory T cells, making older individuals more susceptible to infections. It is possible that the inability of T cells to remain in a quiescent state could lead to people becoming more susceptible to infections and cancer, the authors suggest."

Comment: this shows how carefully our protective immune cells are kept in fighting form. The design of the cells and their maintenance mechanism had to designed all at once from the beginning of their development. Not by chance.

Immunity system complexity: B & T cell training

by David Turell @, Wednesday, June 01, 2022, 19:54 (689 days ago) @ David Turell

A good review of the immune system and autoimmunity:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/05/220531192940.htm

"The immune system, however, faces far greater challenges in distinguishing self from non-self. Should this complex surveillance network fail to identify a foreign intruder, like a bacterium or virus, the result may be serious, unchecked disease.

"Under certain circumstances, however, the immune system can become over-vigilant, identifying our own tissues as foreign and targeting them for destruction, resulting in autoimmune disease. Autoimmune responses are also associated with some cancers.

***

"Two primary components of the so-called adaptive immune system also play important roles in autoimmunity. These are the are white blood cells or lymphocytes, known as T cells and B cells. Lymphocytes are crucial for maintaining health and are essential to survival. These sentries, ceaselessly patrolling the bloodstream, are alerted by the presence of foreign entities known as antigens.

"T cells guard against infection from pathogens like bacteria, viruses and fungi. They can also attack and destroy cancerous cells. B cells secrete proteins known as antibodies that either disrupt interactions or target infected cells so that other cells can come in to destroy them. Antibodies operate by binding with pathogens or foreign substances, including toxins, and neutralizing their harmful effects. If an antibody binds with a virus, for example, it may prevent the intruder from entering a normal cell to cause infection. B cells can also recruit other specialized immune cells to migrate to the sites of infected cells and help destroy them.

"The immune system's defensive arsenal is exquisitely sensitive to foreign proteins, peptides, enzyme complexes, RNA and DNA. When these are encountered, B cells can swing into action, producing antibodies directed against these foreign entities.

"The immune system, however, faces a formidable challenge. B and T cells must be able to accurately target threats to the body while remaining harmless to host cells and tissues. Immune cells are not born with this knowledge, they learn it over a matter of weeks, receiving training in a kind of biological classroom, where they undergo two rounds of careful screening.

"The B and T cells that successfully graduate from their training sessions exhibit two kinds of immune tolerance, central immune tolerance, which develops in the bone marrow and peripheral immune tolerance, which matures in the lymph nodes.

"After their training, cells displaying immune tolerance, a kind of non-aggression pact with healthy tissues -- are preserved in the body for future use. Immune cells that flunk out of their training and present a risk of autoimmunity are sequestered or destroyed.

***

"The mistaken targeting of self-antigens due to their similarities with disease antigens is known as molecular mimicry and is implicated in many autoimmune disorders, from rheumatoid arthritis to multiple sclerosis.

"The new study explores common autoantibodies -- those occurring in healthy individuals. Though these common autoantibodies don't appear to cause disease, they nevertheless appear in as many as 40% of the people tested. It is likely that at least some of these common autoantibodies have been mistakenly identified as disease antibodies.

***

"The blood samples came from healthy individuals of both sexes, ranging in age from infancy to 84 years old. The results showed that the number of autoantibodies increased from birth up to the age of adolescence and then plateaued. Further, the number of autoantibodies detected was the same regardless of sex, a surprising outcome given the large disparity between men and women in the prevalence of autoimmune disease.

"Another underlying enigma is why common autoantibodies fail to produce autoimmune disease. Although such antibodies appear to have evaded the screening process leading to immune tolerance, their occurrence in the body remains benign. It is believed that autoimmune pathology requires autoantibodies to bind and form complexes with autoantigens, and this may be blocked in the case of common autoantibodies.

Comment: this study shows recognizing self from non-self-produced common autoantibodies that are somehow controlled against damaging of the self. The use of the word 'schooling' in describing the training of B and T cells to do their job means recognizing the cells are students in training, no thought on their part involved other than developing memory of what to do, and how to react. The antibody chemicals produced are also automatically created based on the precise antigens the invaders present. A beautiful designed defensive system.

Immunity system complexity: special brain coverage

by David Turell @, Thursday, June 02, 2022, 00:26 (688 days ago) @ David Turell

Many new surprising findings:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01502-8?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_c...

"A large body of evidence now shows that the brain and the immune system are tightly intertwined. Scientists already knew that the brain had its own resident immune cells, called microglia; recent discoveries are painting more-detailed pictures of their functions and revealing the characteristics of the other immune warriors housed in the regions around the brain. Some of these cells come from elsewhere in the body; others are produced locally, in the bone marrow of the skull. By studying these immune cells and mapping out how they interact with the brain, researchers are discovering that they play an important part in both healthy and diseased or damaged brains.

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"It’s now becoming clear that the brain’s margins are immunologically diverse: almost any type of immune cell in the body can also be found in the area surrounding the brain. The meninges — the fluid-filled membranes that wrap the brain — are an “immunological wonderland”, says Movahedi, whose work focuses on macrophages in the brain’s borders. “

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"Some residents are exclusive to the frontiers. In 2021, Jonathan Kipnis, a neuroimmunologist at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, and his colleagues reported7 that there is a local source of immune cells: the bone marrow of the skull.

"When they explored how the bone marrow mobilizes these cells, Kipnis and his colleagues demonstrated8 that, in response to an injury to the central nervous system or in the presence of a pathogen, signals carried in the cerebrospinal fluid were delivered to the skull bone marrow, prompting it to produce and release these cells.

***

"His team has also detected a network of channels that snake and branch over the surface of the brain, and which swarm with immune cells, forming the brain’s own lymphatic system9. These vessels, which sit in the outermost part of the meninges, give immune cells a vantage point near the brain from where they can monitor any signs of infection or injury.

***

"One big mystery is how exactly immune cells — particularly those around the borders — talk to the brain. Although there is some evidence that they might occasionally cross into the organ, most studies so far suggest that these cells communicate by sending in molecular messengers known as cytokines. These, in turn, influence behaviour.

***

"Although these insights are tantalizing, much of the work on how immune cells, especially those in the borders, operate in the brain is still in its infancy. “We are very far away from understanding what’s happening in healthy brains,” Kipnis says.

***

"Then, in 2021, her group pinpointed neurons in the insular cortex — a part of the brain involved in processing emotion and bodily sensations, among other things — that were active during inflammation in the colon, a condition also known as colitis.

"By activating these neurons artificially, the researchers were able to reawaken the intestinal immune response17. Just as Pavlov’s dogs learnt to associate the sound of a bell with food, causing the animals to salivate any time they heard the noise, these rodents’ neurons had captured a ‘memory’ of the immunological response that could be rebooted. “This showed that there is very intense crosstalk between neurons and immune cells,” says Movahedi, who wasn’t involved with this work.

***

"Choi’s team is tracing out the specific neurons and circuits that modulate the immune response. One day, she hopes to be able to generate a comprehensive map of the interactions between the brain and immune system, outlining the cells, circuits and molecular messengers responsible for the communication in both directions — and connecting those to behavioural or physiological readouts."

Comment: the blood-brain-barrier is well known. it protects the brain from foreign proteins. However, design purpose can be seen in the emerging discovery of the complexity of brain immunity system. This most important organ must have tight protection.
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Immunity system complexity: how bacterial ssytem works

by David Turell @, Thursday, June 02, 2022, 20:10 (688 days ago) @ David Turell

Stealing bits of DNA from viruses:

https://phys.org/news/2022-06-bacteria-viruses.html

"In bacteria, CRISPR (Clustered Regularly Interspaced Short Palindromic Repeats) works by stealing small pieces of DNA from infecting viruses and storing those chunks in the genes of the bacteria. These chunks of DNA, called spacers, are then copied to form little tags, which attach to proteins that float around until they find a matching piece of DNA. When they find a match, they recognize it as a virus and cut it up.

"Ideally, spacers should only match DNA belonging to the virus, but there is a small statistical chance that the spacer matches another chunk of DNA in the bacteria itself. That could spell death from an autoimmune response.

***

"Balancing this risk can put the bacteria in something of an evolutionary bind. Having more spacers means they can store more information and fend off more types of viruses, but it also increases the likelihood that one of the spacers might match the DNA in the bacteria and trigger an autoimmune response.

"Balasubramanian, along with coauthors Hanrong Chen of the Genome Institute of Singapore and Andreas Mayer of University College London, realized that the bacteria could get around this by having longer spacers. Similar to how a longer password might be harder to crack, a longer spacer would be less likely to match with the DNA of the bacteria itself. This means that bacteria with longer spacers would be able to have more spacers overall without the risk of triggering an autoimmune response.

***

"The researchers found a consistent, tight relationship between spacer length and number of spacers.

"'The surprise to me is that it matched so darn well just coming out of the box," says Balasubramanian. "This is a very simple theoretical framework. There's a risk of autoimmunity, but it's nice to have more immune memory, and you must balance these two considerations. It's just very, very rare that something so simple matches the data.'" (my bold)

comment: An amazing ssytem that bacteria comntain. Note my bold. IIt fits teh possibioity the system was designed.

Immunity system complexity: glia cells everywhere

by David Turell @, Friday, June 03, 2022, 19:25 (687 days ago) @ David Turell

A new fascinating discovery:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/glia-nerve-cells-brain-body-spleen-heart-lungs

"In recent decades, though, accumulating evidence has shown that glia are not just minor players that keep the show running. They actually play starring roles in many of the brain’s most important acts, such as remembering, learning and thinking.

"And the latest research points to a surprising new setting for the story of glia: outside the brain. Mysterious populations of glia reside in the heart, spleen, lungs and various other organs. But no one knows how they’ll fit into the plot. Early hints suggest the story is going to be riveting.

"Already, tantalizing clues are rolling in about what these cells are doing. Glia appear to help regulate the heart’s beating, for instance. Glia in the spleen reside right between nerve cells and immune cells — a perfect spot to influence the connection between health and stress. Exactly what glia are up to in the lungs is unknown, but whatever it is seems important, early experiments suggest — mice with no lung glia die.

***

"Understanding the roles of glia outside the brain could have big implications for human health, leading to better ways to treat heart disorders, immune system problems and even lung cancer, some scientists suspect.

***

"Researchers have a good handle on the roles of some glia outside the brain. Enteric glia help the gut digest food, for instance, and a type of glia called Schwann cells, sisters to the brain’s oligodendrocytes, spread myelin on peripheral nerves to help speed signals along. In the skin, specialized Schwann cells kick off pain sensations, scientists reported in Science in 2019. Less is known about glia in other organs, such as the spleen glia that intrigue Lucas. Naming these glia can be tricky, since the cells sometimes share similarities with multiple types of other glia. For now, these outsider glia are often lumped into one of two catchall categories, nonmyelinating Schwann cells or satellite glia.

***

"The sympathetic nervous system and the immune system converge in the spleen, and glia may be particularly important in this connection. Experiments with the mice revealed big, complex glia in the spleen right alongside message-sending nerve cell axons. And “just microns away, there are immune cells,” Buckwalter says. The spleen’s glia are perfectly positioned to communicate between the nervous system and the immune system, the researchers reported in 2021 in Glia.

***

"Research so far is preliminary. It’s not yet clear whether these spleen glia are in fact sending messages between the nervous system and the immune system, and if so, what the results of those conversations are. It’s too soon to say with any certainty that glia in people’s spleens are involved in autoimmune disorders, Buckwalter says. But the idea has piqued her interest.

"Studying these mysterious cells in organs feels like a different sort of science, she says. It’s harder than just trying to find a missing piece of a puzzle. “It’s like we just got a puzzle, and the pieces aren’t labeled and the box has no picture on it.”

***

"It’s too soon to say whether glia outside the brain are part of the same story as the brain’s glia. The variety of glia residing outside the brain might all end up being individual bits of disparate biology, never coalescing into a plot that’s relevant for the entire nervous system, says Ransom, of the City University of Hong Kong. “I think it’s exciting and interesting work, and I think it’s completely justified to study it entirely,” he says. For now, there’s no telling where glia’s story will take us."

Comment: this research is dipping a toe into a whole new area of the biolgoy of life. Our understanding of all cell types is far from complete. Not at all like the completeness of the fossil record since Darwin's time.

Immunity system complexity: specialized corneal T cells

by David Turell @, Monday, June 06, 2022, 20:08 (684 days ago) @ David Turell

Newly found:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01578-2?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_c...

"Live-cell imaging of the eye’s transparent cornea has revealed a surprising resident — specialized immune cells that circle the tissue, ready to attack pathogens.

***

"The cornea has a dampened response to infection, in part because aggressive immune cells could damage the clear layer of tissue and obstruct vision, says co-author Scott Mueller, an immunologist at the University of Melbourne, Australia. For this reason, the immune cells that mount a quick but crude response to an infection, such as dendritic cells and macrophages, largely reside in the outer sections of the cornea and emerge only when needed.

"But in almost every tissue in the body are long-lived immune cells, known as T cells, that swiftly attack pathogens they have previously encountered — a process called ‘immune memory’. Mueller and his colleagues wondered whether such cells lived in the cornea.

"Using a powerful multiphoton microscope for studying living tissue, the researchers examined the corneas of mice whose eyes had been infected with herpes simplex virus. They saw that cytotoxic T cells and T-helper cells — precursors for immune memory — had infiltrated the cornea and persisted for up to a month after the infection. Further investigations, including more intrusive microscopy techniques, revealed that the cytotoxic T cells had developed into long-lived memory cells that resided in the cornea.

"The researchers then used live-cell imaging to observe the corneas of six healthy adults. They found cells similar in shape, size and speed to the patrolling T cells in mice. It was a “lightbulb moment”, says Mueller. “We were somewhat surprised and pleased to see that there is, indeed, an immune memory” in the cornea, says Mueller, who is now working on obtaining tissue from organ donors to confirm the exact type of the patrolling cells in people."

Comment: clear corneas first appeared in the Cambrian explosion. This protection has to go back that far, without precursors of eyes in the Ediacaran.

Immunity system complexity: spe cial lung cells

by David Turell @, Wednesday, June 15, 2022, 17:07 (675 days ago) @ David Turell

Two different types found in lung blood vessels:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/06/220614153727.htm

"Scientists at the University of Illinois Chicago have analyzed gene expression data from more than 35,000 blood vessel cells from the lungs of mice and identified two subtypes.

"One subtype, which they call immune endothelial cells, or immuneECs, preferentially expressed more genes involved in inflammation and the regulation of the immune response. The devEC subtype, for developmental endothelial cells, expressed more genes involved in cell development, like cell regeneration and proliferation.

***

"They found multiple groups of endothelial cells, with two dominant cell types -- immuneECs and devECs -- which changed over time during inflammation.

"'Across our experiments, consistently we observed that the blood vessel cells of the lung seem to have these different functions and groupings, and the two predominant groups become even more distinct when responding to infection or stress," said Rehman, UIC professor in the department of pharmacology and regenerative medicine and the department of medicine at the College of Medicine.

***

"As illness or injury progressed, immuneECs expressed more immune response genes, like major histocompatibility complex genes that act as a beacon for infection-fighting T-cells. As the lungs improved, devECs expressed more repair genes, like the vascular development gene Sox17, which promotes blood vessel growth and regeneration. Upon analyzing the RNA profiles of lung endothelial cells obtained from nonhuman primates with a SARS-CoV-2 infection, the researchers also found distinct groups of lung endothelial cells.

"'Part of the blood vessel endothelial cells become highly inflammatory, and part of them retain that ability to regenerate," Rehman said. "Our data also suggested that after some time, the developmental subtype, which is essentially primed to regenerate, gives rise to cells that start proliferating and regenerating the blood vessels that were damaged during the infection."

***

"Rehman said the findings are a good reminder, too, that our lungs are always in contact with the outside world, and this may be why lung blood vessels need such a fine-tuned balance between endothelial cell subtypes, which can activate or amplify the immune response, whereas other endothelial cells can help repair the blood vessels after the infection starts subsiding.

"'We're always breathing in pathogens, unlike other organs such as the heart or the brain which are much more shielded from the pathogens of the outside world. That's why that balance, this intricate system having both an inflammatory and a regenerative response, is so important in the lungs," Rehman said.

Comment: these different cells are very necessary as Rehman notes. In design theory it is reasonably proposed lungs were first designed with these cells in place, or lunged species would not h ave survived.

Immunity system complexity: how E coli fights our system

by David Turell @, Wednesday, August 10, 2022, 22:45 (618 days ago) @ David Turell

Chemical counterattack:

https://phys.org/news/2022-08-bacteria-defuse-hypothiocyanite-antimicrobial-weapon.html

"How do a wide variety of bacteria—both pathogenic and commensal—survive antimicrobials released by the mammalian innate immune system?

"The answer for one of the antimicrobials—hypothiocyanite/hypothiocyanous acid, or OSCN– and HOSCN—has been reported by Michael Gray, Ph.D., and colleagues through discovery of a novel role for an enzyme in E. coli. This previously unknown activity is also exhibited by homologous enzymes found in pathogenic Streptococcus and Staphylococcus bacteria and several commensal gut microbes.

"'During inflammation, the human immune system releases a variety of reactive and damaging antimicrobials meant to fight off invading pathogens," said Gray, an assistant professor in the University of Alabama at Birmingham Department of Microbiology. "Understanding how bacteria can evade these powerful oxidants, including the hypohalous acids like HOSCN, is crucial to human health.

"'By identifying the function of the enzyme RclA in the model organism E. coli—which notably is able to compete with commensal organisms and thrive in an inflamed gut—we have laid the foundation for understanding bacterial survival and the relationship to the human immune system in ways that were previously not understood," Gray said.

***

"Reporting in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, researchers led by Gray and Frederick Stull, assistant professor of chemistry at Western Michigan University, Kalamazoo, explain that the E. coli flavoprotein RclA reduces HOSCN to harmless thiocyanate with near-perfect catalytic efficiency, and this extremely fast activity strongly protects E. coli against HOSCN toxicity. HOSCN thus appears to be the physiologically relevant substrate for RclA, Gray says, rather than its previously described ability to modestly resist reactive chlorine."

Comment: it is as constant battle with each organism using highly complex organic molecules. The question ID always asks is how did these organisms find the right molecules hunting by chance through the millions of possible helpful ones"?

Immunity system complexity: more on T cell controls

by David Turell @, Monday, August 15, 2022, 22:21 (613 days ago) @ David Turell

New more exact studies:

"How do killer T cells recognize cells in the body that have been infected by viruses? Matter foreign to the body is presented on the surface of these cells as antigens that act as a kind of road sign. A network of accessory proteins -- the chaperones -- ensure that this sign retains its stability over time. Researchers have now reached a comprehensive understanding of this essential cellular quality control process.

***

"Humans possess a repertoire of some 20 million T cell clones with varying specificity to counter the multitude of infectious agents that exist. But how do the killer T cells know where danger is coming from? How do they recognise that something is wrong inside a cell in which viruses are lurking? They can't just have a quick peek inside.

"At this point, antigen processing comes into play. The process can be compared to making a road sign. The molecular barcode is "processed" or assembled in the cell -- in the endoplasmic reticulum, to be exact. Special molecules are used in its making, the MHC class I molecules. They are loaded with information about the virus invader in a molecular machine, the peptide loading complex (PLC). This information consists of peptides, fragments of the protein foreign to the body. These fragments also contain epitopes, the molecular segments that elicit a specific immune response. During the loading process, an MHC I-peptide epitope complex thus forms, and this is the road sign that is then transported to the surface of the cell and presented in a readily accessible form to the killer T cells --

***

"He explains the logic underlying this quality control process as follows: "The MHC I-peptide epitope complex, the road sign, needs to be exceptionally stable, and for quite a long time, because the adaptive immune response does not start instantly. It needs 3 to 5 days to get going." So, the sign must not collapse after one day; that would be disastrous, as the immune defence cells would then fail to detect cells infected by a virus. This would mean that they would not destroy these cells and the virus would be able to continue its spread unhindered. A similar problem would arise if a cell in the body had mutated into a tumour cell: the threat would remain undetected. It is imperative, therefore, that a quality control system is in place.

"As the study shows, the chaperones are central process components: they give the road sign the long-term stability it must have by making a strict selection. By rejecting the short-lived virus fragments in the mass of available material, they ensure that only MHC I molecules loaded with the best and most stable peptide epitopes in complex with MHC I are released from the peptide loading complex. The chaperones have different tasks in this selection process that is so important for the adaptive immune response, Tampé says: "Tapasin acts as a catalyst that accelerates the exchange of suboptimal peptide epitopes for optimal epitopes. Calreticulin and ERp57, in contrast, are deployed universally." This concerted approach ensures that only stable MHC I complexes with optimal peptide epitopes reach the cell surface and perform their role of guiding the killer T cells to the infected or mutated cell."

Comment: Thes tags will now permanently be available for the next attack. The library builds throughout a lifetime, all done by molecules under tight design controls.

Immunity system complexity: spotting attackers

by David Turell @, Monday, August 22, 2022, 17:30 (607 days ago) @ David Turell

At the bacterial and bacteriophage level, mimics ours:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/prokaryotes-are-capable-of-learning-to-recog...

"Immune defense genes in bacteria and archaea can identify viral proteins, a study finds, revealing similarities between the immune systems of prokaryotic and eukaryotic organisms.

***

"He tells The Scientist that he and his colleagues were intrigued by the similarity of the prokaryotic gene architecture to human “innate immune pattern recognition receptors.”

"In eukaryotic organisms, immune receptors are critical to body defense. These receptors, which are present in the innate immune system, recognize common pathogens and activate white blood cells to fight them off. The researchers wanted to know if the morphological similarity between eukaryotic and prokaryotic innate immune systems extended to their functionality, and also the molecular mechanisms through which they are activated. So they screened bacteriophages to identify component parts that trigger bacterial immune responses.

***

"The researchers wanted to know how viral infections activated antiviral STANDs (Avs)—bacterial proteins that detect viruses—in the prokaryotic defense system and whether there were specific trigger molecules in the virus responsible for this activity. They hypothesized that the coexpression of the Avs proteins with the antiviral triggers would lead to the deletion of relevant viral genes, and ultimately the death of the virus. With this in mind, the team sequenced the virus’ genome and discovered that two genes, those that encode large terminase subunit and portal proteins, were targeted and removed by the prokaryotic Avs proteins.

***

“'Defense genes are extremely versatile; they can recognize the corresponding portal and terminase protein not just from one virus but from a large panel of different viruses,” says Gao. “This suggests that they were not individual sensors but pattern recognition receptors that can recognize the same three-dimensional fold of a target protein. (my bold)

"To get a full picture of the exact mechanism of immune activation, the researchers analyzed the 3D structures of the Avs and phage proteins using cryo-electron imaging. Their analysis showed that the Avs protein directly detects structural features of the hallmark proteins. It also showed that their biological structures correspond with each other, revealing that the proteins come together to form tetramers within bacteria prior to activation.

“'It's becoming increasingly clear that all these systems that bacteria have to defend against viruses seem to have a lot of similarities [with] their eukaryotic counterparts,” says Jacob Bobonis, who studies bacteria and bacteriophage immune systems at The European Molecular Biology Laboratory but was not part of this study."

Comment: note how versatile tis innate system is. The bold above tells us genes recognize invaders but doesn't tell us how they do it. They could recognize protein patterns by using an electrical view of the charged ions in the proteins. That is my guess. How those genes learned that ability takes us to another level. ID will point to the designer providing instructions from the start.

Immunity system complexity: spotting attackers in bacterias

by David Turell @, Friday, September 02, 2022, 19:40 (596 days ago) @ David Turell

A whole new mechanism is discovered:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/bacterias-immune-sensors-reveal-a-novel-way-to-detect-vi...

"All of the life forms on Earth have the same problem,” said Jonathan Kagan, an immunology researcher at Boston Children’s Hospital. “And that is dealing with infection.” Just as we worry about bacterial infections, bacteria are on the watch for the viruses called phages that infect them, and — like every organism across every kingdom of life — they have evolved an arsenal of molecular tools to fight infections.

***

"Some of these antiviral defenses, such as CRISPR-Cas9, recognize specific sequences in the DNA that a phage injects into its host. Others don’t directly sense fragments of the virus but respond to evidence of the harm the virus causes, such as damaged DNA or malfunctioning cellular processes — the molecular equivalents of the broken glass at the scene of a break-in.

"...researchers led by Feng Zhang of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Eugene Koonin of the National Center for Biotechnology Information have now discovered. Avs proteins can directly detect viral proteins manufactured by the cell’s hijacked machinery.

***

"Zhang’s group found that Avs proteins aren’t bothered by little changes in amino acid sequences — or by big ones, for that matter. “We tested 24 different phages, spanning nine phage families,” said Alex Gao, a biochemist at Stanford University and the lead author on the paper, “and found that there was almost this across-the-board activation” of Avs.

"The targeted proteins in the different viral families had almost completely different amino acid sequences, but they all performed the same job: spooling up strands of viral DNA and packing them into newly formed virus particles. Consequently, they all retained the same functional shape.

"Avs proteins take advantage of this molecular resemblance, the team realized. The proteins were “recognizing three-dimensional folds and shapes, rather than sequences,” Gao explained. An Avs protein “basically wraps like a glove around a hand.” This type of 3D structural recognition “doesn’t have a whole lot of precedent, as far as we know, in molecular biology,” he added."

Comment: An amazingly complex protein defense mechanism of which we apparently have a trace. It also reeks of design.

The only way for these viral proteins to escape Avs detection would be to mutate into an unrecognizable shape. But “to change the shape without destabilizing the protein or otherwise compromising its function in the phage is not trivial,” said Koonin.

The versatile, wraparound recognition skills of the Avs proteins aren’t limited to spotting viruses that infect bacteria. Koonin recalled asking Gao as a joke whether the Avs proteins could detect animal herpesviruses — very distant relatives of the phages tested in the paper. To his surprise, Gao responded, “‘Yes, we have already done that! They do.” Avs proteins recognized the DNA-packing proteins in human herpesviruses, although the recognition was weaker than for the bacterial phages.

Immunity system complexity: keeping T cells ageless

by David Turell @, Thursday, September 15, 2022, 18:36 (583 days ago) @ David Turell

It involves exchanging telomeres:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-09-mechanism-life-immune.html

"Each of the chromosomes, present in all cells, contains a protective cap called a telomere; a specific DNA sequence that is repeated thousands of times. The sequence has two purposes: first, it protects the coding regions of the chromosomes and prevents them from being damaged, and second, it acts as an aging clock that controls the number of replications (also known as divisions) a cell can make.

"In T cells (a type of white blood or immune cell), along with most cells, the telomeres become shorter and shorter (telomere attrition) with each subsequent cell division. Once telomeres reach a critically short length, the cell ceases to divide and enters senescence—the process of being disposed by the immune system, or persist in an altered, dysfunctional state.

***

"In the study, researchers initiated an immune response of T-lymphocytes against a microbe (foreign infection). Unexpectedly, they observed a telomere transfer reaction between two types of white blood cells, in extracellular vesicles (small particles that facilitate intercellular communication). An antigen presenting cell (APC), consisting either of B cells, dendritic cells or macrophages, functioned as a telomere donor, to the T lymphocyte—the telomere recipient cell. Upon transfer of the telomeres, the recipient T cell became long-lived and possessed memory and stem cell attributes, enabling the T cell to protect a host against a lethal infection in the long term.

"The telomere transfer reaction extended certain telomeres about 30 times more than extension exerted by telomerase. Telomerase is the single DNA synthesizing enzyme that is devoted to telomere maintenance in stem cells, cells of the immune systems and found in fetal tissue, reproductive cells and sperm. However, it does not provide this function in other cells, leading to telomere attrition. Even in immune cells where the enzyme is naturally active, continuous immune reactions cause progressive telomerase inactivation leading to telomere shortening, when cells stop dividing, and replicative senescence occurs.

"Professor Lanna added, "The telomere transfer reaction between immune cells adds to the Nobel-prize winning discovery of telomerase and shows that cells are capable of exchanging telomeres as a way to regulate chromosome length before telomerase action begins. It is possible that aging may be slowed down or cured simply by transferring telomeres."

Comment: the immune system must be constantly on the alert for infection. It is logical aging of T cells should be prevented. Once again it is obvious natural evolution based on chance can't do this easily. Design is required.

Immunity system complexity: keeping fungus at bay

by David Turell @, Wednesday, September 21, 2022, 17:52 (577 days ago) @ David Turell

With mucin:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41589-022-01035-1.epdf?sharing_token=adqLkds10Ltif-DKi...

"Mucins are large gel-forming polymers inside the mucus barrier that inhibit the yeast-to-hyphal transition of Candida albicans, a key virulence trait of this important human fungal pathogen. However, the molecular motifs in mucins that inhibit filamentation remain unclear despite their potential for therapeutic interventions. Here, we determined that mucins display an abundance of virulence-attenuating molecules in the form of mucin O-glycans. We isolated and cataloged >100 mucin O-glycans from three major mucosal surfaces and established that they suppress filamentation and related phenotypes relevant to infection, including surface adhesion, biofilm formation and cross-kingdom competition between C. albicans and the bacterium Pseudomonas aeruginosa. Using synthetic O-glycans, we identified three structures (core 1, core 1 + fucose and core 2 + galactose) that are sufficient to inhibit filamentation with potency comparable to the complex O-glycan pool. Overall, this work identifies mucin O-glycans as host molecules with untapped therapeutic potential to manage fungal pathogens.

"Discussion:

"Research on mucus has traditionally focused on the role of mucins as scaffolding polymers. Here, we show that mucin O-glycans potently inhibit a range of virulence behaviors, which could be leveraged for therapeutic applications. Specifically, we show that mucin glycans across three major niches are potent regulators of C. albicans filamentation that block hyphal formation through Nrg1 and regulate community behavior.

***

"Given the complexity and diversity of mucin glycans17,32 and dynamic glycosylation changes based on cell type38, developmental stage39 and disease state40, structural changes in host signals may activate or inhibit the function of specific O-glycans. Accordingly, we determined that core 1, core 1 + fucose and core 2 + galactose effectively suppress filamentation, while core 1 + sialic acid dampens this response. Hence, sialic acid, which is ubiquitously expressed on host cells41, may have an unappreciated role in modulating virulence. We posit that changes in glycosylation in disease states may mask or eliminate mucins’ protective functions. We conclude that the presentation of complex glycan structures in mucus contributes to a healthy mucosal environment, while degradation or modification of mucin glycans may trigger C. albicans to transition from commensal to pathogenic.

"The receptors involved in sensing mucin glycans, leading to NRG1 upregulation, remain unknown. Nrg1 regulation is temporally coordinated by two central signaling pathways mediating cell growth, leading to transient NRG1 downregulation and degradation of Nrg1 protein followed by occlusion of Nrg1 from hyphal-specific promoters that sustain hyphal development23. Mucin glycans may potentially function as ligands to mimic nutrient signaling pathways or may bind directly to C. albicans adhesins, thus modulating morphogenesis42. Uncovering the receptors involved in sensing mucin glycans and the pathways regulated by glycans will elucidate how C. albicans senses its host environment and how these cues regulate microbial antagonism, microbial community composition and pathogenesis."

Comment: shown to demonstrate the immune system has more weapons than B and T cells.

Immunity system complexity: aging T cells don't fade away

by David Turell @, Thursday, September 22, 2022, 01:12 (576 days ago) @ David Turell

They remain tough:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-09-killer-cells-age.html

"The human immune system is a thing of wonder. Up until now it had been widely assumed that the ability of killer T cells to destroy tumor cells and pathogens would deteriorate with age. It turns out, however, that the opposite is true—they become better killers, the older they get.

***

"The older someone is, the more likely they are to get cancer. According to Germany's Robert Koch Institute, more than half of the approximately 500,000 people diagnosed with cancer every year are over the age of 60. As the coronavirus pandemic has shown all too clearly, viral infections tend to be more severe in older patients.

"This was thought to suggest that the human immune system becomes weaker with age and that the same must therefore be true of the killer T cells that play such a critical role in fighting off pathogens. The job of the T cell is to track down and kill virus-infected cells or tumor cells in the body. Up until now the accepted scientific view has been that T cells function less effectively as they age.

"However, researchers at Saarland University have now discovered that T cells turn into the ultimate killers as they get older. "We found the rather surprising result that the ability of cytotoxic CD8+ T cells to destroy tumor cells did not deteriorate but actually improved with age. When you compare the same number of young and old T cells, it is the older ones that are the better and more effective killers," said Dr. Annette Lis, a qualified pharmacist who has been working for many years in the group led by Professor Markus Hoth at the university's medical campus in Homburg.

"The reason that T cells are such effective killers has to do with the highly effective weapons that they have at their disposal. "The production of the molecules perforin and granzyme is enhanced in older T cells. As its name suggests, the molecule perforin perforates the target cells making tiny pores in the cell membrane. Granzyme can then enter the cells and initiate apoptosis—a form of programmed cell death," explained doctoral research student Dorina Zöphel.

"In addition, older experienced T cells have an accurate picture of who they are supposed to be targeting. Cytotoxic CD8+ T cells have a good memory of who they have attacked and destroyed in the past. And as part of our adaptive immune system, they live and learn. "The T cells are able to form memory cells. If they come into contact with a pathogen that they are already acquainted with, they respond very quickly and very effectively," said Dorina Zöphel.

"For a long time, older memory CD8+ T cells were not thought to be particularly suitable for immunotherapy and they therefore found only limited use. In younger cancer patients, these T cells are extracted from the patient's blood, trained in a Petri dish to fight the tumor cells and then reintroduced into the patient's body to fight the cancer."

Comment: this research points out powerful fighting molecules in T cells armory. They cannot be found by chance mutations. Only design fits.

Immunity system complexity: aging T cells don't fade away

by David Turell @, Friday, September 23, 2022, 18:17 (575 days ago) @ David Turell

APC cells give them telomers to help them survive an fight infections:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/t-cells-ward-off-aging-with-help-from-their-...

"Like all of the cells in our body, immune cells age. Over time, they become less and less able to fight infection, cancer, and disease. Previously, researchers thought the process of cells growing old and feeble, known as cellular senescence, was an inevitable consequence of routine infection and time. But a study published yesterday (September 15) in Nature Cell Biology suggests that an interaction between T cells and antigen presenting cells (APCs) early in the immune response to viruses may determine how fast T cells decline.

"Telomeres are long, repeating sequences of DNA that bookend chromosomes and protect their ends from fraying. As cells age, their telomeres get shorter and shorter with each cell division until eventually, they can no longer divide. The new study finds that after infection, APCs, the cells that initially kickstart T cells’ immune response by presenting them with a foreign antigen, chop off and deliver their telomeres to T cells, the white blood cells that fight viruses.

"The researchers found that when APCSs deliver their telomeres to T cells, the latter shift into stem cell-like configuration, which delays their senescence. The researchers also found that this interaction boosts long-term immunity in mice, suggesting that this finding could pave the way for more efficient vaccination."

Comment: this robust protection of T cells is so complex it again presents design as its source.

Immunity system complexity: early evolution

by David Turell @, Tuesday, September 27, 2022, 21:21 (571 days ago) @ David Turell

In invertebrates:

https://phys.org/news/2022-09-tiny-sea-creature-genes-evolution.html

"The findings, published now in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, suggest that the building blocks of our immune system evolved much earlier than previously thought and could help improve understanding of transplant rejection, one day guiding development of new immunotherapies.

***

"'Our study shows for the first time that a special group of proteins called the immunoglobulin superfamily— which are important for adaptive immunity in mammals and other vertebrates—are found in such a distantly- related animal."

"Hydractinia symbiolongicarpus belongs to the same group as jellyfish, corals and sea anemones. With tube-like bodies adorned with tentacles for catching prey, the animals look a bit like tiny versions of wacky inflatable tube men dancing outside of a car dealership. They grow as colonies encrusting the shells of hermit crabs like lichen on a rock.

"'As colonies grow and compete for space on crab shells, they often bump into each other," explained Nicotra, who is also associate director of the Center for Evolutionary Biology and Medicine in Pitt's School of Medicine. "If two colonies recognize each other as self, they fuse together. But if they identify each other as non-self, the colonies fight by releasing harpoon-like structures from special cells."

"Nicotra and his colleagues previously identified two genes called Alr1 and Alr2 involved in Hydractinia's fuse-or-fight system, but they predicted that there was more to the story.

"'If you imagine that the genome of the animal is spread out in front of us, we had a flashlight on these two little points, but we didn't know what else was there," said Nicotra. "Now we've been able to sequence the whole genome and illuminate the whole region around these genes. It turns out that Alr1 and Alr2 are part of a huge family of genes."

***

"Using this tool, the researchers compared the structure of Alr proteins to immunoglobulin superfamily (IgSF) proteins, an important group that includes antibodies and receptors on B and T cells of the immune system. IgSF proteins have three characteristic regions, or domains, including the V-set domain.

""The 'V' stands for variable," said Nicotra. "When a B or T cell becomes specialized to fight a particular pathogen, V-set domains are rearranged to make a variable sequence, which the immune system uses to recognize specific pathogens or cells."

"Nicotra was surprised to find that the domains in Alr proteins had 3D structures remarkably similar to V-set domains, even though they lacked telltale features usually found in IgSF proteins.

"'Unmistakably, these are V-set domains," he explained. "They're just very, very strange."

Until now, it was thought that V-set domains had arisen in the branch of the animal kingdom known as Bilateria. This group originated about 540 million years ago and includes most familiar animals, including mammals, insects, fish, mollusks and all others with right and left sides.

"The finding of V-set domains in Hydractinia—which is part of a group that appeared earlier in the evolution of animals—suggests that V-set domains arose further back in the evolutionary tree than previously thought.

"Several Alr proteins also had signatures associated with immune signaling in other animals, another clue that this protein complex is involved in self-recognition.

"'We know lots about the immune systems of mammals and other vertebrates, but we've only scratched the surface of immunity in invertebrates," said Nicotra. "We think that a better understanding of immune signaling in organisms like Hydractinia could ultimately point to alternative ways to manipulate those signaling pathways in patients with transplanted organs.""

Comment: it is clear the process of evolution designed by God uses the same genes over and over. This is 'convergence' which Simon Conway-Morris cites as proof of God.

Immunity system complexity: superchargng T cells

by David Turell @, Friday, December 23, 2022, 01:32 (484 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by David Turell, Friday, December 23, 2022, 01:42

New research in producing huge populations of T cells

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-12-secret-cells-derive-energy-master.html

"...scientists are taking a deeper dive into the question, and their investigations are shedding new light on an array of dynamic biological activities that help bolster T cell populations. Their research demystifies how T cells can power their growth and proliferation when disease emerges and T cell strength is in greatest need.

***

"...a collaborative group of scientists has zeroed in on the STAT5 pathway. STAT stands for signal transducers and activators of transcription. Seven STATs have been identified, but STAT5 is of particular interest because it is involved in crucial cellular signaling and plays a key role in helper T cell growth and expansion. The STAT5 pathway controls responses to the cytokine interleukin-2 (IL 2), according to a new bioinformatics study involving cell cultures.

"The research by Dr. Alejandro Villarino and colleagues demonstrates how STAT5 regulates the metabolism of T helper cells and underscores how the efficiency of this pathway impacts immunity.

"'T cell activation requires changes in metabolism needed for the energy demands of rapid growth and proliferation," Villarino writes in Science Immunology. "Cytokines that engage common gamma chain receptors on T cells are critical to promoting metabolic changes needed for [T cell] activation.
'
"Common gamma chain family cytokines are central to these processes," Villarino added, noting that STAT5's role has remained poorly understood. But the team's findings have opened a new window of understanding. Indeed, the team proposes a central role for STAT5 in T helper cell metabolism.

***

"'CD4+ T cells, also known as T-helper cells or just plain old TH cells, perform many immune functions. They're arguably the most important cells in the adaptive immune system because they are critically needed for a vast number of key immune responses. Adaptive immunity, also known as the acquired system or cellular immunity, is the arm of the immune system dominated by T cells and B cells.

"'TH cells help activate B cells, which in turn, secrete antibodies. TH cells spur macrophages to destroy ingested microbes, but they also help activate cytotoxic T cells to kill infected cells. In short, TH cells help orchestrate the adaptive immune response, and it is because of TH cells' central role in immunity that researchers have sought to better understand how they derive and sustain their energy.

***

"The National Institutes of Health research, led by Villarino and collaborators, wanted answers to deeper biological questions whose answers can help add context to T cell activity in devastating diseases. Most of all, the research examines how STAT5 functions and why it has been dubbed the master regulator of amino acid metabolism in T helper cells.

"As Villarino and colleagues explain, TH cell proliferation and activation are often regulated through cytokines that interact with the cells' gamma chain—cy—receptors. One common signaling pathway used by cy cytokines, including il-2, is the STATS pathway, the master regulator.2, is the STAT5 pathway, the master regulator."

Comment: a complex system like this of many molecules acting in ta ndem must be designed. It cannot developed step by step.

Immunity system complexity: ramping up B cells

by David Turell @, Friday, December 23, 2022, 18:43 (484 days ago) @ David Turell

In specialized germinal centers:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-12-body-cell-grounds-stay-hours.html

"If B cells are the munitions factories of the immune system, manufacturing antibodies to neutralize harmful pathogens, then the tiny biological structures known as germinal centers are its weapons-development facilities. Formed in response to infection and vaccination, these microscopic training grounds allow B cells to perfect the antibodies they deploy against specific viruses and bacteria. (my bold)

***

"Germinal centers form in the body's lymphatic tissues shortly after vaccination or infection. Once inside a germinal center, B cells undergo rapid mutations and, through a process of natural selection, only B cells with antibodies that most effectively bind to their target antigens survive. These superior B cells then become either plasma cells, antibody factories that secrete copious amounts of antibodies into serum, or memory B cells, which patrol the body for signs of return of the pathogen they evolved to fight.

"The goal of the germinal center is to generate high-affinity plasma cells and memory B cells, that it then exports," says Renan V.H. de Carvalho, a postdoctoral fellow in the laboratory of Gabriel D. Victora at The Rockefeller University.

***

"As weeks turned into months, a more complete picture began to form: the founder B cells that had initially seeded the long-lived germinal centers were being gradually replaced by naïve ones, so that only a tiny fraction of late germinal centers were made of the descendants of the B cells that started them.

"These new recruits did not behave like the original B cells in the germinal center. Subsequent experiments showed that, while the naïve B cells also underwent evolution inside the germinal centers, they did not produce antibodies that could bind to flu or SARS-CoV2 antigens.

"We used to think of infection-induced germinal centers as a single reaction targeting antigens from a particular pathogen," de Carvalho says. "Apparently it's not, at least in the case of these long-lived germinal centers."

"But the few original B cells that remained on site were enough to produce efficient immunity against the initial pathogen. When the researchers re-exposed the mice to flu antigens 3 months after they were first infected—effectively mimicking a repeat infection or booster shot—they demonstrated that many of the memory B cells which began pumping out antibodies were descended from the few founder cells that lingered in germinal centers for many months, and not their naïve replacements.

"'Even though they constitute a small fraction of the total number of cells later on, the founder cells that stay in the germinal center for a long time are still doing their job," de Carvalho says. But just how well those founder B cells do their jobs, and whether naïve recruits cramp their style and reduce their efficacy, remains to be seen. Future studies from the Victora lab will address this question."

Comment: it is logical to design immediate short-term defenses and carry the memory bank of B-cell-forming antibodies into the future

Immunity system complexity: ramping up B cells

by David Turell @, Saturday, December 24, 2022, 15:44 (483 days ago) @ David Turell

More on germinal centers constant recruitment:

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)01507-0?dgcid=raven_jbs_aip_email

"Antibody responses are characterized by increasing affinity and diversity over time. Affinity maturation occurs in germinal centers by a mechanism that involves repeated cycles of somatic mutation and selection. How antibody responses diversify while also undergoing affinity maturation is not as well understood. Here, we examined germinal center (GC) dynamics by tracking B cell entry, division, somatic mutation, and specificity. Our experiments show that naive B cells continuously enter GCs where they compete for T cell help and undergo clonal expansion. Consistent with late entry, invaders carry fewer mutations but can contribute up to 30% or more of the cells in late-stage germinal centers. Notably, cells entering the germinal center at later stages of the reaction diversify the immune response by expressing receptors that show low affinity to the immunogen. Paradoxically, the affinity threshold for late GC entry is lowered in the presence of high-affinity antibodies."

Commenet: a system at constant alert by design.

Immunity system complexity: supporting T cells.

by David Turell @, Friday, January 13, 2023, 18:26 (463 days ago) @ David Turell

Immune cells support telomeres in T cells:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/t-cells-ward-off-aging-with-help-from-their-...

"Like all of the cells in our body, immune cells age. Over time, they become less and less able to fight infection, cancer, and disease. Previously, researchers thought the process of cells growing old and feeble, known as cellular senescence, was an inevitable consequence of routine infection and time. But a study published yesterday in Nature Cell Biology suggests that an interaction between T cells and antigen presenting cells (APCs) early in the immune response to viruses may determine how fast T cells decline.

"Telomeres are long, repeating sequences of DNA that bookend chromosomes and protect their ends from fraying. As cells age, their telomeres get shorter and shorter with each cell division until eventually, they can no longer divide. The new study finds that after infection, APCs, the cells that initially kickstart T cells’ immune response by presenting them with a foreign antigen, chop off and deliver their telomeres to T cells, the white blood cells that fight viruses.

"The researchers found that when APCSs deliver their telomeres to T cells, the latter shift into stem cell-like configuration, which delays their senescence. The researchers also found that this interaction boosts long-term immunity in mice, suggesting that this finding could pave the way for more efficient vaccination.

***

"When a foreign invader such as a virus enters the body, T cells rapidly divide, and their numbers skyrocket. Previously, scientists knew that T cells employ telomerase, an enzyme that extends telomeres, to combat telomere loss during this rapid division, which over time can lead to shortened telomeres and eventual senescence. But telomerase isn’t sufficient to prevent T cell senescence, sending scientists searching for another key mechanism responsible for guarding against T cell aging.

***

"Previous studies from other groups had determined that in the more stem cell­–like configuration, T cells live longer than those that have differentiated, says Lanna. The results suggest that the fate of some T cells—whether they become senescent or not—is determined when APCs deliver telomeres to T cells. This means that some T cells’ destinies are sealed before the immune response has even started. “That’s against dogma in the field of immune senescence,” says Lanna.

***

"The researchers also observed that APCs deliver telomeres to some T cells and not others, although it’s not clear why. Using Flow-FISH, an assay that counts cells and analyzes their telomere length one by one, the team found that naive T cells—cells that have never encountered an antigen—and memory T cells were more likely to take up telomeres. Meanwhile, various types of effector T cells are less likely to do so."

Comment: this mechanism is the basis of fighting invaders. It must be very ancient in evolution, as all organisms must have it to survive. It did not evolve stepwise from repeated encounters with infection. In my view God set it up in the beginning of life. We see T cells and B cells are given purposefully distinct specific jobs, Not by chance.

Immunity system complexity: T cells. support neurons

by David Turell @, Saturday, January 14, 2023, 15:48 (462 days ago) @ David Turell

Help with regeneration:

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(22)01580-X?dgcid=raven_jbs_aip_email

Summary
Tissue immunity and responses to injury depend on the coordinated action and communication among physiological systems. Here, we show that, upon injury, adaptive responses to the microbiota directly promote sensory neuron regeneration. At homeostasis, tissue-resident commensal-specific T cells colocalize with sensory nerve fibers within the dermis, express a transcriptional program associated with neuronal interaction and repair, and promote axon growth and local nerve regeneration following injury. Mechanistically, our data reveal that the cytokine interleukin-17A (IL-17A) released by commensal-specific Th17 cells upon injury directly signals to sensory neurons via IL-17 receptor A, the transcription of which is specifically upregulated in injured neurons. Collectively, our work reveals that in the context of tissue damage, preemptive immunity to the microbiota can rapidly bridge biological systems by directly promoting neuronal repair, while also identifying IL-17A as a major determinant of this fundamental process.

Comment: a system of this complexity cannot evolve step-by-step. It is irreducibly complex and must be designed all at once.

Immunity system complexity: innate and secondary

by David Turell @, Thursday, January 19, 2023, 22:15 (456 days ago) @ David Turell

As shown in BCG research:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/an-old-tb-vaccine-might-help-stave-off-diabe...

"Mihai Netea, an immunologist and infectious disease clinician...says that BCG hasn’t helped reduce the number of COVID infections, but the evidence suggests that it could reduce disease severity. In a meta-analysis that he, Stabell Benn and Aaby published in Lancet Infectious Diseases on the effects of live vaccines against COVID, they found that across five trials, there was a 40 percent reduction in overall mortality in those who received BCG, compared with those who did not.

***

"Broadly speaking, the immune system has two branches: the innate immune system, which provides a first response against infection, and the adaptive immune system, which takes longer to activate and is aimed at specific targets, or antigens. Vaccines typically work by activating the adaptive immune system’s T and B cells and triggering, in the latter, the production of antibodies to a specific antigen such as the spike protein of the coronavirus that causes COVID.

"Previously, researchers thought that the generalized response of the innate immune system was optimized for a rapid defense against infection and kept no persistent memory of an invading pathogen. But what Netea and others have shown over the past decade is that the innate immune system is capable of remembering previous encounters and if this system has prior exposure to the BCG vaccines, the next meeting with an invasive pathogen will trigger an enhanced response, such as the production of more signaling molecules called cytokines that attack microbial invaders.

"Netea and his colleagues have worked over the past decade to understand this phenomenon, which they call “trained immunity.” They have shown that BCG vaccination causes metabolic changes in immune cells such as monocytes and macrophages, which in turn alter either the placement or removal of chemical, or “epigenetic,” marks on DNA through processes known as methylation and acetylation. These marks serve as bookmarks for immune-related genes in the innate immune system and enhance the monocytes’ production of cytokines when challenged with an infection. “What BCG is doing is putting an epigenetic bookmark in your DNA. So when you need to read it, you already have the bookmark, and the book opens automatically at the right page,” Netea says.

"The researchers found that the BCG vaccine does not only affect the epigenetic marks in circulating innate immune cells such as relatively short-lived macrophages, which provide protection by consuming viruses or other invaders. It also alters marks on the DNA in stem cells in the bone marrow that produce new immune cells, which could explain how the effect of the vaccine can persist for many years."

Comment: it appears the innate immune system can also build up a library of responses. This is all automatic. All antibodies ae made by adding the same killer proteins to the foreign antigen.

Immunity system complexity: innate and secondary

by David Turell @, Saturday, January 21, 2023, 19:49 (455 days ago) @ David Turell

Another study of immune memory:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-01-immunological-memory-immune-disease.html

"Using a mouse model, the researchers created various strains of pathogenic bacteria that increased levels of inflammation through the stimulator of interferon genes—or STING—proteins inside of T cells. While many scientists assumed this increase in inflammation would result in a stronger immune response and therefore stronger immunological memory, Teixeiro and her team found the opposite: immunological memory was reduced.

"'Some scientists in the field believe STING activation may be targeted to improve cancer vaccines or immunotherapies, so gaining a basic understanding of all the interacting mechanisms at play is critical to reduce the chances of unintended consequences or harmful side effects," Teixeiro said. "We want to better understand how to regulate immunological memory, which has implications for potential vaccines or immunotherapies that trigger T cells in a way that hopefully boosts long-term memory, so our bodies are protected from disease over time."

"While her research is fundamental in nature, Teixeiro's findings have the potential to contribute to the development of more effective treatments to help patients suffering with cancer, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), STING-associated vasculopathy with onset in infancy (SAVI), asthma and other chronic inflammatory syndromes.

"The pursuit of knowledge is what drives my curiosity as a scientist," Teixeiro said. "While there are still more questions to answer, this research is a small step in the right direction, and I am proud to be a part of it."

"'STING controls T cell memory fitness during infection through T cell intrinsic and Indoleamine-pyrrole 2,3-dioxygenase (IDO) dependent mechanisms" was recently published in PNAS."

Comment: this memory system builds a library of responses for future use. We have the basic system in place at birth.

Immunity system complexity: control of reactions

by David Turell @, Friday, February 03, 2023, 18:25 (442 days ago) @ David Turell

Very necessary as autoimmune mechanisms can be very damaging:

https://puraplyam.com/puraply-am-overview/

"The signaling molecules of the immune system should trigger a response only where necessary. To prevent a life-threatening spread to the rest of the body, connective tissue can absorb these molecules like a sponge.

"When the T cells of the immune system communicate, they do so with the help of cytokines. An important member of the cytokine family is interferon-gamma—a protein that activates the body's defenses, particularly in the fight against viruses and bacteria.

"Over the course of evolution, the human body has developed a variety of strategies to prevent the immune response from overshooting its mark. Another important mechanism has now been discovered by a German-French research team led by Professor Thomas Blankenstein, head of the Molecular Immunology and Gene Therapy Lab at Berlin's Max Delbrück Center.

"In a paper published in the journal Nature Immunology, the scientists explain how interferon-gamma uses four amino acids to bind to the extracellular matrix of connective tissue, which forms a web between individual cells and thus mediates intercellular contact. The study's first author, Dr. Josephine Kemna, explains that this binding prevents the cytokine from spreading throughout the entire body and triggering dangerous immune responses.

"When the amino acids required for binding are lacking, she says, the result is a serious impairment of the body's defenses. Kemna was a member of Blankenstein's team from 2017 to 2022.

***

"The researchers started out using a mouse model developed by Kammertöns, which allowed them to regulate the concentration of interferon-gamma that was produced. "We were already able to determine from this model that interferon-gamma becomes toxic very quickly, and that animals with high concentrations of this signaling molecule in their blood fall ill within a few days," explains Kammertöns.

"Biochemical analyses also revealed that once the protein is secreted via the T cells with its four positively charged amino acids, it binds to the negatively charged extracellular matrix—namely, to the molecule heparan sulfate.

"'This ensures that interferon-gamma is retained locally, and prevents it spreading throughout the body," says Kammertöns. However, given that the structure of heparan sulfate differs depending on the tissue, cell type or even cell state, the ability of connective tissue to bind interferon-gamma can also vary, adds Professor Hugues Lortat-Jacob of the Université Grenoble-Alpes, who was also involved in the study.

***

"'In my view, it is clear from our research that our immune system has developed highly potent mechanisms to keep its own defenses in check," says first author Kemna. If these mechanisms fail to work properly, she says, the immune system can end up damaging its own organism due to the toxic effect of certain molecules as they continue to spread.

"'The mechanism we have uncovered shows that evolution has ensured toxic molecules generally act only where they are needed—that is, where the T cell recognizes a virus-infected cell."

***

"'Over the course of its evolution, the immune system has developed increasingly powerful weapons in a sort of arms race against pathogens," summarizes Blankenstein. "Our work has uncovered a new mechanism that acts a counter balance to this arsenal of weapons without reducing the efficiency of the immune response—just four amino acids in interferon-gamma prevent infectious diseases from causing many more deaths."

It therefore makes sense going forward to gain a better understanding of the exact details of "the interaction between interferon-gamma and the extracellular matrix."

Comment: the exactly perfect amino acids are used. How does a naturally produced evolution find exactly what it needs? It certainly suggests a designer at work.

Immunity system complexity: detecting infections

by David Turell @, Sunday, February 05, 2023, 22:28 (439 days ago) @ David Turell

Either from surface molecules or from leaks (a late finding):

https://www.agnosticweb.com/index.php?mode=posting&id=43247&back=entry

"Kagan asserts that the pattern recognition receptors (PRRs) that induce an immune response are not activated by the pathogens themselves. Instead, they respond to pathogen-associated molecular patterns (PAMPs), which are ligands such as short strands of genetic material or degraded cell wall proteins that are only released when the infectious agent has made an error, such as performing a low-fidelity genomic replication or dying as a result of a maladaptive or untidy mutation.

***

"...research in the late 1990s and early 2000s when these so-called windows, these pattern recognition receptors, started being identified. And these days, we know that there are a few dozen of them and their job is exactly what Janeway predicted, which was to sense molecules produced by infectious agents. there was a very simple if-then statement that if the infectious agent is producing these molecules and causing disease, then we sense the infectious agent that’s causing disease. And it’s for this reason that we call these molecules that our innate immune system senses pathogen-associated molecular patterns.

***

"And there’s no living organism that displays its nucleic acids on its surface: A bacterium hides its DNA and RNA inside of itself. Viruses do the same thing; our cells do the same thing. And so, it was kind of odd that the sensors of infection would detect molecules that were hidden from those sensors by the infectious agent itself.

***

"Intellectual disconnect number two came from the discovery, over many labs over the years, that many of these DNA and RNA sensory proteins can be found in lysosomes. And so, if they’re inside of lysosomes, that means then that not only are these molecules sensing nucleic acids, but they’re sensing nucleic acids in an organelle that’s designed to destroy the bacteria and the viruses that we see. Successful pathogens would have avoided being killed, and [therefore] avoided being sensed. And so, you have this very odd disconnect number two: You have sensors of infection that are placed in regions of the cell that are only inhabited by infectious agents that made a mistake; infectious agents that tried to infect their cells but got themselves killed.

***

"... years of research showing that not all infectious agents are capable of actually causing infection. So, for example, if you take 100 bacteria, or 100 viruses, and you add them to cells, some of them—I’ll make up the numbers, let’s say 80 percent of them—will be able to successfully infect a cell, but two out of ten will actually fail in their infectious attempts and be killed by the host. Sometimes the host wins, and sometimes the pathogen wins. And once the pathogen makes a mistake, that is when, I would argue, your immune system is able to dispense the entire infection.

***

"...what that means, then, is that pathogens are always allowing themselves to make mistakes for the long-term survivability of the species. But because it’s a mistake that’s being made, it’s very difficult for the pathogen to control it. By waiting for a pathogen to make a mistake, which always happens during an infection, you, by definition, will be able to detect the infection itself. A successful pathogen, which may have infected the cell right next to you, is still going to be eliminated because all of our immune responses and the immune responses of plants are systemic. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link; if you have a chain of 100 pathogens, and one out of that makes a mistake, that one is the one that’s detected by the immune system. And now you have inflammation and defense against the entire population of infectious agents.

***

"...if you want to say that it is true that pathogens exist and they cause infection, and it’s also true that the PAMPs that we know of are the real ones, there must be a way to accommodate both of those statements. And the way to accommodate both those things is to propose that there are indeed mistakes made during an infection. And we call these mistakes, for scientific reasons, infectious infidelities, which means that if it was a higher-fidelity infection, all the pathogens would be able to succeed. If it’s a low-fidelity infection, sometimes they’re going to make a mistake.

***

"...many examples that are in the literature, which really counter the idea that the pathogen is the entity that pattern recognition receptors sense... there is a sister of the pattern recognition receptors, and these proteins are called Guards [or GarDs]. And guard proteins are almost certainly capable of directly sensing the pathogenic entity.

***

"So, now we know that your innate immune system needs to respond to the dying cancer cells in order to protect you from the cancer itself. The same exact logic applies here. Perhaps the most effective antibiotics already on the market today are so effective not because only they kill the bug, but because they kill the bug in a way that releases a PAMP."

Comment: this interview with a scientist reveals he expects automatic actions from the immune system. Contrary to dhw's distortions of this mechanism, it is nothing like evolution. The cells do the same operations automatically for their lifetime while creating a library of defenses to deploy as neeeded.

Immunity system complexity: innate immunity at work

by David Turell @, Saturday, January 28, 2023, 17:49 (448 days ago) @ David Turell

It picks up foreign protein signals:

https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/library/item/27_january_2023/407...

"Within multicellular organisms, innate immune pattern recognition receptors (PRRs) control host defenses to infection. These receptors are activated by microbes, which facilitate their own demise by producing PRR ligands called pathogen-associated molecular patterns (PAMPs). Notably, the mechanisms of PRR-mediated microbial detection are inconsistent with the sensing of successful pathogens. I propose that PRRs do not detect pathogenic agents per se. Rather, PRRs detect PAMPs that are released from microbes as a result of biochemical infidelities, or mistakes, that occur during infection. These mistakes render individuals within an otherwise infectious population noninfectious but immunostimulatory. Microbes could evolve strategies that increase the fidelity of their infectious strategies to evade PRRs. However, imperfect activities enable biochemical innovations that ensure the survival of the species. By detecting PAMPs that are released as a result of low-fidelity biochemical activities, PRRs may, in effect, be targeting the very process that microbes need for long-term survival—evolvability.

***

"The specific nucleic acids detected by TLRs suggest preferential detection of dead microbes. Free guanosines and uridines represent cofactors that, along with single-stranded RNA (ssRNA), activate TLR7 and TLR8, respectively (1). Similarly, trinucleotides containing cytosines synergize with CpG-containing ssDNA to activate TLR9. The requirement of short nucleotide sequences (or free nucleosides) to activate several TLRs supports the idea that lysed microbial cells or degraded virions are detected after their genomes have been hydrolyzed.

[Many specific reactions are presented as examples of the battle.]

***

"Like all areas of biology, exceptions to suggested biological rules exist. For example, PRRs that detect bacterial LPS molecules and lipoproteins may represent examples of pathogen detection systems. These molecules are displayed on the surface of bacteria and are detected by specific TLRs in their intact forms. Similarly, the PRRs dectin-1 and dectin-2 recognize b-glucans and a-mannans, respectively, whose positioning on the fungal cell wall facilitates detection. However, there are possible explanations for these exceptions. The mammalian LPS detection systems are not as ancient as other PRR networks, such as the endosomal TLRs, RLRs, cGAS, and STING. These ancient PRR systems detect the most definitive example of PAMPs that are released as a result of infection infidelity—nucleic acids. Outside of mammals, few examples of immunostimulatory LPS activities (or LPS receptors) exist. Indeed, the genes encoding the mammalian LPS receptors CD14, TLR4, and MD2 are absent from the genomes of fish and invertebrates (which constitute >90% of metazoan life). Thus, exceptions to the error-centric theme of pattern recognition may be a recent evolutionary innovation.

***

"Even if low-fidelity biochemical reactions were rarely detected by PRRs during infection, the rarity would need to approach zero for host defenses to be avoided. The very nature of the mammalian inflammatory and plant hypersensitive responses induced by PRRs enables tissue (and likely systemic) defenses to be executed against the entire microbial community. Studies of infection at the single-cell level could reveal the generality of these concepts and how they affect defense. Additional work is also needed to understand how inflammatory activities that drive tissue repair after infection resolution may be affected by residual PAMPs derived from dead microbes.

"An implication of the infection infidelity concept is that it provides the opportunity to develop anti-infective drugs that are also immunotherapies. It is possible that drugs that disrupt viral life cycles would, in immunocompetent cells, result in the release of PAMPs to the host immune system. Similarly, antibiotics that target bacterial cell walls may cause the release of cell wall components or cyclic dinucleotides that stimulate PRRs. Integrating PRR assays in anti-infective clinical pipelines may therefore offer opportunities for drug development."

Comment: I presented this article to show the complexity of the innate immune system in detecting foreign protein that is, fighting infections.

Immunity system complexity:innate immunity NK cells at work

by David Turell @, Friday, February 10, 2023, 18:53 (435 days ago) @ David Turell

Newly found:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-02-natural-killer-immune-cells-tissue.html

"The Monash University-led study identified a new group of immune cells, known as tissue-resident memory natural killer (NKRM) cells. NKRM cells limited immune responses in tissues and prevented autoimmunity, which is when the immune system makes a mistake and attacks the body's own tissues or organs.

"While additional research is required, the discovery may ultimately be used to treat autoimmune diseases like Sjogren's Syndrome and possibly chronic inflammatory conditions.

***

"Originally, NK cells were thought to be short lived cells that circulate in the blood with the sole function of identifying and quickly killing virally infected or damaged cells.

"The team's previous research established that NK cells' role is far more complex, and the latest study demonstrates for the first time that a subset of NK cells, NKRM, are critical in regulating immune responses in tissues.

"'This is key to preserving tissue function and preventing autoimmunity from developing," Dr. Schuster said. "While long-lived tissue resident memory T cells (TRM) have been described, the primary known function of these cells is to protect the host against reinfection."

"'Our discovery of tissue-resident memory natural killer (NKRM) cells establishes that the function of some memory cells that live in tissues is to protect from excessive inflammation rather than protect against recurring infection.'"

Comment: this type of total control protects us from runaway reactions that can be damaging through an autoimmune attack. Was this entire system designed all at once or did this control system get designed later? I presume all at once to avoid the danger of severe reactions.

Immunity system complexity: transfers at birth

by David Turell @, Monday, February 13, 2023, 19:46 (432 days ago) @ David Turell

Takes a special cell type:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-02-mother-microbiota-mothers-lung-immunity.html

"A new study led by Bruno Silva Santos, group leader and vice-director at the Instituto de Medicina Molecular João Lobo Antunes (iMM; Portugal), and published in Cell Reports revealed that a type of white blood cell, the γδ T cell, influences the transfer of maternal microbiota during birth and nursing, and impacts the lung immune response in newborns.

"Before birth, the lungs are filled with a sterile liquid that is replaced by gas in the first breath after birth, which causes an immune reaction involving substantial lung tissue remodeling, called "first breath response." Now, researchers at iMM implicated a specific type of immune cell, the γδ T cell, in this immune response in mice.

"'We found that newborns born and raised by mothers lacking γδ T cells acquire a different gut microbiota. The intestinal microorganisms in these mice are not able to produce sufficient amounts of a type of molecules that are important to modulate the lung immune response to the first breath," explains the leader of the study, Bruno Silva Santos. "As result, these pups have an exacerbated first breath immune response."

"The type of immune response that is induced after the first breath is also relevant in other contexts. The researchers observed a similar pattern in the progeny of mothers lacking γδ T cells in response to an infection by a parasite that induces lung damage.

***

"The complexity of the work takes another level on the transfer of microbiota from mothers to the newborns. "We found that the transfer of microorganisms from mothers is not restricted to the process of birth. If pups born from mothers lacking γδ T lymphocytes are raised with mothers that have these cells, their immune response is restored. In fact, our study suggests that the majority of the bacterial communities must be transferred after birth, during nursing," explains Pedro Papotto.

"It is already known that the developing immune system is sensitive to factors derived from mothers. Now, in this study, the researchers found that maternal γδ T cells, which were never associated to this process, are involved in the development of the newborns lung immunity by exerting an effect in the gut microorganism's colonization. This also adds to the growing body of evidence on the physiological and therapeutic roles of the gut microbiota."

Comment: these special T cells must be a deigned item. Not by chance. Note how the gut microbiota plays an important role.

Immunity system complexity: how chlamydia escapes detection

by David Turell @, Thursday, February 23, 2023, 18:12 (422 days ago) @ David Turell

Cloaking and a specialized protein:

https://www.the-scientist.com/the-literature/how-chlamydia-guards-itself-against-the-im...

"Coers has spent years figuring out how Chlamydia trachomatis, the causative bacterium in humans, evades destruction. In a recent study, Coers and his team discovered a key protein that allows C. trachomatis to slip past the body’s defenses.

"To enter a host cell, Chlamydia cloaks itself in a piece of the host cell’s membrane, forming a vacuole, or inclusion, where it grows and divides uninterrupted by immune cells. T cells can detect Chlamydia in the brief time it lives outside the cell and, in response, release gamma interferon (IFN-γ), an inflammatory cytokine that triggers destruction of the pathogen. But something about the inclusion allows Chlamydia to hide from the immune response and persist for months or years.

***

"The team performed a genetic screen of various mutated C. trachomatis strains grown inside human epithelial cells in the presence and absence of IFN-γ. The C. trachomatis strains most susceptible to IFN-γ-mediated destruction had mutations in a gene that encodes a protein the researchers named GarD (formerly CTL0390), indicating that GarD is important for C. trachomatis’s survival. Imaging experiments on IFN-γ-resistant C. trachomatis strains revealed that GarD blocks ubiquitin binding by inserting itself into the inclusion membrane. Disabling GarD allowed ubiquitin binding and left the bacteria vulnerable. Meanwhile, mice defend themselves from rodent-infecting C. muridarum by blocking ubiquitin via a different mechanism entirely.

“'When the GarD protein is there, the inclusion . . . disguises itself, like an invisibility cloak from Harry Potter,” Coers explains. “Now we understand why interferon-γ is not able to clear infections and why these infections last for such a long time.”

“'I think it’s an important and reliable result,” says Bob Brunham, an infectious disease scientist and professor emeritus at the University of British Columbia who was not involved in the study. “It shows just how evasive Chlamydia is.”

"The researchers also discovered that IFN-γ activates a protein called mysterin (also called RNF213) that’s responsible for attaching ubiquitin to the inclusion, though Coers notes that how exactly GarD prevents mysterin from doing so remains, aptly, a mystery."

Comment: either Chlamydia invented the protective molecule or it appeared by luck. Would God have been involved? I don't know. All unknowns

Immunity system complexity: how B cells recognize antigens

by David Turell @, Friday, March 10, 2023, 20:46 (407 days ago) @ David Turell

A whole new concept:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-03-immune.html

"The researchers have examined the earliest step in activating the B cells, namely the activation mechanism that is triggered when the cells recognize a specific target or 'enemy'—an antigen.

"'Previously, it was believed that the antigens from, for example, viruses or vaccines would have to cross-bind a B-cell's receptors on the cell surface. That's what it says in all the textbooks. But now we have shown that even antigens that can only bind one receptor at a time are able to activate the B cells," says Søren Degn, associate professor at Department of Biomedicine, who is the senior author of the article.

***

"The discovery is interesting for both the immunological field and for cell biology in general, because the researchers have shed new light on the foundation for how receptors on the surface of cells send signals into the cells—a key biological process.

"'The study enables us to better understand the background for one of the most important processes in the immune system, and one of the most important processes in cell biology. But it is clear that, in the long term, this could also have important application-oriented aspects," says Søren Degn.

"The researchers have begun preclinical vaccine trials with the aim of translating the findings into clinically relevant vaccine design. They are also attempting to use the same tools in reverse, to target and turn off harmful immune system responses such as allergic reactions and autoimmune diseases.

"'When we understand how the B cells are activated, we can create better vaccines. In the slightly longer term, we may also be able to switch off B-cell activation in cases where it is harmful. We are studying both of these in the CellPAT basic research center at Aarhus University," says Søren Degn.

***

"'We have shown that the way in which the activation of B cells has been explained over the past thirty or forty years is wrong. This is an important finding, because it opens the door to better vaccines and better treatment of a large group of diseases," says Søren Degn.

Comment: The B cell membrane will decode the foreign molecule which is attached to it and either recognize it is an antigen it knows from its library, or it will activate a new antibody all automatically.

Immunity system complexity: control dangerous bugs in gut

by David Turell @, Monday, March 13, 2023, 22:53 (403 days ago) @ David Turell

A different system:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-03-exploring-immune-intestines-bacteria.html

"Yersinia bacteria cause a variety of human and animal diseases, the most notorious being the plague, caused by Yersinia pestis. A relative, Yersinia pseudotuberculosis, causes gastrointestinal illness and is less deadly, but naturally infects both mice and humans, making it a useful model for studying its interactions with the immune system.

"These two pathogens, as well as a third close cousin, Y. enterocolitica, which affects swine and can cause food-borne illness if people consume infected meat, have many traits in common, particularly their knack for interfering with the immune system's ability to respond to infection.

"The plague pathogen is blood-borne and transmitted by infected fleas. Infection with the other two depends on ingestion. Yet the focus of much of the work in the field had been on interactions of Yersinia with lymphoid tissues, rather than the intestine. A new study of Y. pseudotuberculosis, led by a team from Penn's School of Veterinary Medicine and published in Nature Microbiology demonstrates that in response to infection, the host immune system forms small, walled-off lesions in the intestines called granulomas.

"The team went on to show that monocytes, a type of immune cell, sustain these granulomas. Without them, the granulomas deteriorated, allowing the mice to be overtaken by Yersinia.

***

"A biopsy of the intestinal tissues confirmed that the lesions were a type of granuloma, known as a pyogranuloma, composed of a variety of immune cells, including monocytes and neutrophils, another type of white blood cell that is part of the body's front line in fighting bacteria and viruses.

"Granulomas form in other diseases that involve chronic infection, including tuberculosis, for which Y. pseudotuberculosis is named. Somewhat paradoxically, these granulomas—while key in controlling infection by walling off the infectious agent—also sustain a population of the pathogen within those walls.

The team wanted to understand how these granulomas were both formed and maintained, working with mice lacking monocytes as well as animals treated with an antibody that depletes monocytes. In the animals lacking monocytes "these granulomas, with their distinct architecture, wouldn't form," Brodsky says.

"Instead, a more disorganized and necrotic abscess developed, neutrophils failed to be activated, and the mice were less able to control the invading bacteria. These animals experienced higher levels of bacteria in their intestines and succumbed to their infections.

***

"The researchers believe the monocytes are responsible for recruiting neutrophils to the site of infection and thus launching the formation of the granuloma, helping to control the bacteria. This leading role for monocytes may exist beyond the intestines, the researchers believe.

"'We hypothesize that it's a general role for the monocytes in other tissues as well," Brodsky says."

Comment: the responses run to bacterial types. The immune system uses granulomas as one means of control. TB makes granulomas in the lung. The mono's are programmed to individual types and respond accordingly.

Immunity system complexity: gasdermin-B reviewed

by David Turell @, Thursday, March 30, 2023, 18:45 (387 days ago) @ David Turell

A very important part of our immune system:

https://phys.org/news/2023-03-protein-effectiveness-bacteria.html

"Previous research had looked at how Shigella interacts with gasdermin-B, a critical part of our immune system that helps protect us against infection. Gasdermin-B is member of a protein family called gasdermin, which includes gasdermin-A, -B, -C, -D, -E and -F. It was thought that when gasdermin-B detects an invader, such as bacteria, it begins to poke holes in the cell's wall, causing it to burst open and release chemicals that induce inflammation and call reinforcements from the immune system. But the past research studies on gasdermin-B were contradictory; some confirmed its role in cell death during infection, but others contradicted the idea.

***

"Their research confirms previous research and provides evidence that Shigella bacteria grab onto a specific segment of gasdermin-B in humans. However, the mouse version of the protein has a different shape that prevents Shigella from latching onto it, resulting in the rapid clearance of the bacteria and preventing infection. This finding helps explain why Shigella is unable to infect mice.

"Since human gasdermin-B can be configured in six slightly differing proteins, or isoforms, the team expressed all six then looked at how these isoforms behaved inside cells, and they found something surprising: some of the isoforms of gasdermin-B did indeed poke holes to cause cell death—but other isoforms did not.

"'Previously, people didn't understand why studies contradicted each other. We show that only two of the isoforms of gasdermin-B cause pyroptosis, or cell death," says Ruan. Those two isoforms contain a specific protein segment that is absent in the other gasdermin-B isoforms, as shown by their cryogenic electron microscopy structure.

***

"However, we don't yet know what these other isoforms are doing. It may be that the different isoforms of gasdermin-B play significant and distinctive roles depending on where they are in the body, and different cell types preferentially express different isoforms.

"'The protein structures that our team discovered have significant implications for drug development. Specifically, they can inform the design of small molecule drugs that modulate gasdermin-B activity," explains Ruan. "These drugs could potentially be used to treat a range of conditions, including cancer, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases, and infectious diseases by either suppressing or enhancing the immune response. Our findings thus hold promise for the development of novel therapies to address these pressing medical needs.'"

Comment: 3-D protein forms result in specific actions as this study shows. Why we differ from mice is an unanswerable question.

Immunity system complexity: sentinel cell activation

by David Turell @, Friday, March 31, 2023, 23:37 (385 days ago) @ David Turell

Complex molecular interactions:

https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/library/item/31_march_2023/40914...

"Efficient host defense relies on the ability to mount context-dependent immune responses. Dendritic cells (DCs) sense pathogens and tissue damage and subsequently migrate to lymph nodes to present antigens to naive T cells. Through the production of cytokines, DCs further instruct other immune cells about which type of immune response is needed. For example, DC-derived interleukin-23 (IL-23) in the skin promotes efficient defense against Candida albicans and Staphylococcus aureus infections, but it also drives psoriasislike skin inflammation. Nociceptors are somatosensory neurons that innervate barrier organs and detect noxious stimuli, including mechanical injury, reactive chemicals, inflammatory mediators, and pathogens. Nociceptors relay noxious stimuli to the brain as pain or itching sensation and release neuropeptides, which can influence immune cells. On page 1315 of this issue, Hanč et al. report the identification of multiple mechanisms by which nociceptors can regulate DCs in the skin.

"The same research group had previously shown that nociceptors potentiate the production of the inflammatory cytokine IL-23 from type 1 and type 2 conventional DCs (cDC1 and cDC2) in imiquimod-induced skin inflammation in mice (3). cDC1s are potent activators of CD8+ T cells and promote T helper 1 (TH1) differentiation, for instance through the production of IL-12. cDC2s efficiently promote TH2 and TH17 cell differentiation, the latter in part through the production of IL-23.

***

"The observation that nociceptor-derived CGRP can elicit an enhanced sentinel state in DCs before they encounter pathogens is intriguing and necessitates the determination of whether nociceptor-derived signals affect the development and homeostasis of DCs in the steady state or solely in the context of inflammation or pathogenic insult. In inflammation, nociceptor-derived CCL2 could aid the replenishment of DCs by recruiting DC progenitors from the circulation. Sensory neurons innervate various tissues, including lymphoid organs, suggesting that neuronal modulation of DCs could be site specific. DC-derived inflammatory cytokines can activate nociceptors to promote itching. Therefore, DC-nociceptor cross-talk could amplify unwanted sensory or inflammatory responses in settings of chronic pain. Thus, the study of Hanč et al. opens new avenues for studying neuroimmune interactions in inflammation."

Comment: what I skipped is a highly technical exposition of complex molecular reactions to stimuli that require a highly alerted immune system at several levels. I showed thess paragraphs to give some sense of the complexity. Not by chance.

Immunity system complexity: the role of IgA

by David Turell @, Tuesday, May 30, 2023, 17:20 (326 days ago) @ David Turell

Especially in the gut:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/05/230526142236.htm

"A new study has demonstrated that IgA acts as a 'tuner' that regulates the number of microbes the body sees every day, restraining the systemic immune response to these commensal microbes and limiting the development of systemic immune dysregulation.

***

"IgA (short for Immunoglobulin A) is an antibody protein that is part of the immune system and plays a role in fighting disease. It is found mainly in the respiratory and digestive tracts, but it can also be found in blood, saliva, tears, and breastmilk. To be diagnosed with IgA deficiency, patients must be over 4 years of age and have no IgA as determined through a blood test, as well as normal serum levels of IgG and IgM, without other known causes of immune deficiency.

***

"'Based on these results, we propose that IgA supports the intestinal barrier to keep the proper balance of commensal microbes interacting with the immune system, acting as a tuner to keep the immune system in check," said co-senior author Michael Silverman, MD, PhD, an Assistant Professor and attending physician in the Division of Infectious Diseases at CHOP. "Without IgA protecting the gut, commensal bacteria can get through, increasing a patient's systemic exposure to these microbes and creating an inflammatory environment. Future studies with larger patient populations should investigate IgA levels in other target tissues and determine if these findings can be used to predict disease course and outcomes.'"

Comment: IgA is just one of many chemicals in the immune system all working at different levels of protection. IgA controls our gut biome which we need in a cooperative way.

Immunity system complexity: triggering inflammation

by David Turell @, Saturday, June 17, 2023, 18:22 (308 days ago) @ David Turell

A series of reactions:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-06-uncover-cellular-inflammation.html

"Specifically, the investigators have improved understanding of the steps that lead to the production of IL-1 beta, a potent inflammatory protein signal released during many inflammatory responses.

"'We now have a clearer understanding of the stepwise process that leads to the production of IL-1 beta," said Andrea Wolf, Ph.D., assistant professor of Biomedical Sciences and Medicine at Cedars-Sinai.

***

"When the innate immune system—the defense system we were born with—identifies a potentially harmful bacterium, virus, or other external invader, it unleashes white blood cells to surround and attack the foreign agent. This can cause swelling, redness, heat and pain in the body's tissues that—in a healthy body—eventually go away.

"Some people, however, get stuck in the inflammation phase. This causes what is known as chronic inflammation. Chronic inflammation can damage healthy cells in the body and is thought to lead to serious conditions like type 2 diabetes, heart disease and depression.

***

"The study is a follow-up to Cedars-Sinai research published in 2016 that explains how cells act to detect an infection. In that study, investigators discovered that an enzyme called hexokinase, typically used by cells to convert glucose into energy, has a second, inflammatory function. They discovered that hexokinase binds to a sugar from the cell wall of bacteria and activates the inflammasomes, leading to the production of IL-1 beta. Inflammasomes are receptors of the innate immune system that recognize microbes and tissue damage. The current work presents a more complete picture of this process.

"The investigators discovered that hexokinase leaves the mitochondria, the part of a cell that generates energy. This jump-starts an immune response: The release of hexokinase destabilizes the mitochondria and alerts the cell that something is wrong. This leads to clustering of a channel called VDAC in the membrane of the mitochondria, which interacts with another protein called NLRP3 to initiate inflammasome assembly. The inflammasomes then produce IL-1 beta, a driver of inflammation.

***

"'Being able to target specific steps in this pathway is vital, because in addition to being important for inflammation, the components of this pathway also play a vital role in maintaining energy within the cell," Wolf said. "We want to home in on its inflammatory role, not just turn it all off, because that would be bad for the cell."

"The investigators are continuing to study the cellular steps leading up to, and resulting from, hexokinase's role in the activation of inflammasomes. They are also using the results from this study to begin to target this inflammatory pathway in different diseases."

Comment: a series of reactions to produce a necessary result cannot be developed by chance repetitions. This is irreducible complexity and must appear by design all at once.

Immunity system complexity: fungal spore defense

by David Turell @, Wednesday, June 21, 2023, 02:54 (304 days ago) @ David Turell

How the spores fight our system:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/fungal-spores-hijack-a-host-protein-to-escap...

"A. fumigatus dodges the host immune system by sneaking into cells in membrane-enclosed vesicles known as phagosomes. These pathogen-containing vesicles are usually headed for degradation as the phagosomes mature and become more acidified. For A. fumigatus, though, intracellular extermination is not a done deal.

***

"In a recent study, researchers discovered that A. fumigatus spores redirect fungus-containing phagosomes from a degradative to a non-degradative pathway by hijacking a human protein in those vesicles. They also found that transplant patients with a particular mutation in the gene that encodes the protein were less likely to develop invasive aspergillosis, a severe fungal infection with a high mortality rate among immunocompromised patients. The findings were published in the journal

***

"To uncover A. fumigatus’s escape mechanism, the team assessed how the fungal spore proteins interacted with human lung epithelial cells, the body’s first line of defense against the mold. They showed that A. fumigatus spores use a surface protein, HscA, to bind to epithelial cells and that HscA was key to keeping the phagosomes in an immature state—less acidified vesicles that are not headed for degradation.

"They next showed that HscA targets a small human protein found in phagosomes, which the researchers named p11. By interacting with p11, A. fumigatus spores alter the molecular marks on the phagosomes, excluding a mark for vesicle destruction and recruiting tags for phagosome recycling. In turn, this leads the vesicle to be released into the extracellular space, transferred to an adjacent cell, or to stay inside the cells.

"For Scott Filler, a researcher at the University of California, Los Angeles, who was not involved in the study, the identification of HscA is a key finding. “This protein on the Aspergillus surface…basically stalls phagosome maturation,” he said.

***

"To assess whether the in vitro findings were also clinically relevant, the researchers screened a group of stem cell transplant recipients and their corresponding donors for single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNP) in the p11 gene and evaluated their risk for developing invasive pulmonary aspergillosis (IPA). They found that a specific SNP located in a noncoding region of the p11 gene associated with a decreased risk for IPA. The fact that the researchers looked at patients to substantiate their in vitro findings makes the study stand out, said Filler. “It is very nice to go all the way from an in vitro model into basically human patients.”

"The findings not only uncover the different components used by A. fumigatus to dodge intracellular destruction in the host’s cells, but they also provide clinical evidence that may help identify patients at greater risk for fungal infections who would benefit the most from antifungal treatments."

Comment: The amazing battles continue. It is still a dog-eat-dog world with each side capable of adapting.

Immunity system complexity: cellular viral defenses

by David Turell @, Wednesday, June 28, 2023, 19:59 (297 days ago) @ David Turell

These cells do gear up with defenses:

https://phys.org/news/2023-06-war-cells-survive-viral-invasion.html

"When a virus enters a cell, it can gain control of the protein production mechanisms, forcing them to make multiple copies of itself. But infection might not lead to all-out war. While an active infection entails the virus killing the cell as it spreads its copies to other cells, at times a virus fails to take over the production mechanisms of the host cell, remaining latent within it, sometimes for decades. Herpes viruses, for example, are notorious for their ability to hide inside the body in a dormant state. What determines whether an active infection occurs, or the virus remains latent?

***

"'As expected, shortly after infection the cells still only produced their own proteins," says Schwartz. "However, a few hours later, the cells split into two groups. As some kept making their own proteins, others started assembling viral proteins, a step that initiates the multiplication of the viral genome and its spread throughout the body. We found this step to be irreversible: From the moment cells expressed just two initial viral proteins, we couldn't stop the viral takeover."

"Searching for an explanation as to why the virus took over some cells but not others, the team examined the differences in proteins produced by each group of cells before and during infection. They discovered that the virus failed to take over cells that had already produced more antiviral defenses prior to infection. While the virus stayed as a latent guest within these cells, those with a lower routine production of defense proteins were open to a viral takeover.

"This local protein "shield," produced not only by the attacked cell but throughout its environment, had long been recognized as the first line of defense against an ongoing viral infection. It was known to be generated in response to viral invasion, which prompts cells to secrete protein alerts called interferons. These warning signs, in turn, elicit antiviral protein production in nearby cells—a sort of code red to get ready for battle. Following the secretion of interferons, hundreds of genes for defense proteins are activated. The team's finding showed that these defense proteins play a significant role even before the infection occurs and the warning signs are flagged.

"The researchers believe that high levels of routine defense protein production might serve to immunize cells against a potential active infection. This idea suggests a possible solution to a previously unsolved mystery—why do cytomegaloviruses tend to accumulate in a latent state within bone marrow stem cells? Previous research by other scientists had found that stem cells routinely produce relatively high levels of defense proteins, compared to such mature immune cells as macrophages. These proteins' newly discovered immunizing effect against active infection could explain why the viruses remain latent within the stem cells.

"The scientists also discovered that mature macrophages, which had been thought to only play host to active infection, can harbor latent viral infection as well. This means that contrary to the prevailing view, cells don't fall into one of two categories—harboring either active or latent infection—but can be host to either, depending on their levels of defense protein production. In other words, various cell types in the body, formerly thought to be subject to active infection alone, might in fact form unknown reservoirs of latent, potentially harmful viruses. Discovering such reservoirs can lead to preventive treatments."

Comment: These defense mechanisms. I think were designed by an all-knowing God who knew that His designed viruses could cause trouble. That viruses exist means God created them for His positive purposes, just like bacteria, but God also knew both organisms entering the wrong places would cause illness and therefore provided immune mechanisms.

Immunity system complexity: neutrophile activation

by David Turell @, Friday, June 30, 2023, 17:59 (295 days ago) @ David Turell

A new study:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-06-mechanisms-immune-cell-inflammation.html

"Neutrophils are specialized immune cells called effector cells that circulate in the bloodstream and upon an insult migrate from the blood vessels into surrounding tissues, where in greater numbers can exacerbate inflammation and tissue damage.

"While neutrophil migration and signaling have been previously studied, the mechanisms that initiate this neutrophil recruitment response have remained unknown.

***

"For neutrophils to migrate outside of the bloodstream and initiate an immune response, they must attach to endothelial cells that line the luminal side of blood vessel wall. In the current study, Sumagin's team aimed to identify what exact mechanisms initiate these adhesive interactions.

"'We've known for a long time that neutrophils do not cross the vessel wall everywhere; it's not random. There are specific locations that are better equipped to support neutrophil crossing of the vessel wall, and what makes this so is actually really interesting. One neutrophil will go and then the second and third one will follow, and they really stick to these locations that we and others call 'hotspots.' That's where they like to migrate, meaning these spots, for whatever reason, are better suited to accommodate recruitment than others," Sumagin said.

"Using real-time intravital microscopy to study blood vessels in inflamed intestinal tissue from mice, the investigators found that macrophages (specialized white blood cells) are recruited to endothelial cells which then activate specific mechanisms that tell neutrophils which locations, or "hotspots," they can attach to on blood vessels.

"During this recruitment process, macrophages will touch the blood vessel wall and then release an inflammatory cytokine called TNF-alpha, which attaches to a TNF receptor called TNFR2 on endothelial cells. This interaction then induces the expression of adhesion molecules on the surface of endothelial cells, such as ICAM-1, which in turn creates a hotspot.

"'This combination of a macrophage touch and endothelial cell activation and an induction of ICAM creates a hotspot for neutrophils to then migrate… so we think that macrophages drive this hotspot formation and, in a way, serve as gate keepers of neutrophil migration," Sumagin said.

"These newly identified mechanisms could be a potential target for treating different inflammation-driven diseases through regulating the neutrophil recruitment process, according to Sumagin.

"'We can now try to target macrophage-endothelial cell communication to either prevent or promote the formation of those hotspots," Sumagin said."

Comment: another example of an irreducibly complex mechanism that must be developed all at once by design. Stepwise development by chance mutations is impossible.

Immunity system complexity: skin protections

by David Turell @, Tuesday, July 04, 2023, 15:16 (291 days ago) @ David Turell

Immune cells and pain neurons act together:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/how-cells-in-the-skin-team-up-to-fight-patho...

"Skin shields our bodies from the world’s dangers, but sometimes, with a nick or a bump, that barrier is breached. That’s when pain- and itch-sensing nociceptor neurons jump to action, transmitting threat signals to the central nervous system, while dendritic cells eliminate pathogens by secreting cytokines and coordinating local inflammation, while also playing a role in adaptive immunity.

"But this work is not done in isolation: Dendritic cells (DCs) and nociceptors are entangled in a powerful partnership, and a new study published March 31 in Science describes three unique ways these intertwined cells communicate to fine-tune the fight against invaders.

"...their team discovered for the first time that DCs interact with nociceptors. They found that this relationship is necessary for an inflammatory response: DCs sit on nociceptor axons and require a signal from them to make the cytokine interleukin (IL)-23, which is the master driver of psoriasis skin inflammation.

***

“'The concept of neurons calling and keeping the DCs in place through CCL2 release is well-done and new, so that is very exciting,” says Caroline Sokol, a neuroimmunologist at Massachusetts General Hospital who didn’t work on the study.

"The team also analyzed the transcriptome of DCs in the presence or absence of nociceptors and found that 983 genes had altered expression patterns between the two conditions. They found that a neuropeptide called CGRP released by the nociceptor neurons induces a transcriptional program responsible for most of the gene expression changes in DCs that allow them to fight pathogens. One of the most important changes is that CGRP triggers the DCs to produce pro-IL-1beta, which is the biologically inactive precursor of an important cytokine that the DC stockpiles for use in inflammation and other cellular activities.

“'[Dendritic cells are] sort of a sentinel guard sitting in our barrier tissues on the lookout for any invading pathogens,” says von Andrian. “So, we interpret that CGRP signal coming from the nociceptors as a kind of ‘get ready’ signal” that primes DCs so they’re ready to be activated, he explains.

"Using calcium imaging, the team found a third way that DCs and nociceptors communicate. They knew that the cells had to physically touch each other for DCs to produce cytokines. To see whether the cells communicated via this touch, they first treated the nociceptors in contact with DCs with capsaicin (the fiery component of chili peppers that activates nociceptors to induce the sensation of pain). This led to a rapid increase in intracellular calcium in both the neuron and abutting DC; this did not occur when DCs alone were treated with capsaicin. The neuron’s action potential, the team determined, extended to the DC in contact with the neuron, opening channels in the DC that allow calcium to stream into the cell, causing temporary membrane depolarization. When accompanied by a microbial immune stimulus directly on the DC, this increased calcium inside the cell has downstream effects that lead to an enhanced cytokine response. So, essentially, this third signal is “go,” says von Andrian."

Comment: This degree of complexity must be designed all at once.

Immunity system complexity: triggering protein

by David Turell @, Wednesday, July 26, 2023, 22:11 (268 days ago) @ David Turell

This one sets off immune reactions:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-07-scientists-protein-required-effective-immune.html

"They found that when certain bacteria are ingested by human immune cells, the protein, called NLRP11, can recognize these bacteria through a portion of their outer coat, filling a previous gap in this recognition pathway.

"NLRP11 is present in humans but not in mice, which are the most common laboratory model for human infection.

"For the study, the researchers focused on macrophages, which are immune cells that ingest and degrade microorganisms (such as bacteria) and stimulate the action of other immune cells.

"A genetic screen revealed that macrophages require the NLRP11 gene to become fully activated after ingesting certain bacteria. Mechanistically, the team found that the NLRP11 protein that's produced from the gene enables a macrophage to sense the presence of bacterial lipopolysaccharide molecules within its interior.

"Upon sensing bacterial lipopolysaccharide molecules, NLRP11 triggers an inflammasome, an intracellular multimeric protein complex that turns on a pathway that activates inflammatory responses to control infection.

"In this case, NLRP11 leads to activation of an enzyme called caspase-4 that is a component of this inflammasome. These actions by NLRP11 result in an effective defense by the immune system that kills invading bacterial cells and prevents widespread infection in the body."

Comment: Another complex molecular set of reactions that strongly support the concept of a designer.

Immunity system complexity: the brain's involvement

by David Turell @, Thursday, July 27, 2023, 18:36 (268 days ago) @ David Turell

New brain area found which supervises inflammations' responses:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/07/230725123050.htm

"A multidisciplinary team of scientists from the Institut Pasteur, CNRS and Inserm have revealed the existence of a circuit involved in sensing and also in the regulation of the anti-inflammatory response orchestrated by different brain regions. This circuit detects inflammation in the blood and organizes and regulates the immune response. It embodies a two-way connection between the brain and immune system.

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"Whenever infections or injuries occur, the immune system is triggered to control the infection and repair damaged tissue. This process involves the release of pro-inflammatory mediators that inform the brain of the body's immune status and coordinate the immune response. In response to this signal, the brain triggers a complex reaction known as "sickness behavior" whose purpose is to reassign energy to the body's different systems. This state is associated with behavioral changes including social avoidance and lethargy, metabolic adjustments such as fever and loss of appetite, and the release of hormones such as cortisone, to increase resistance to infection while also regulating immune responses...A region of the brainstem known as the vagal complex directly detects levels and types of inflammatory hormones in the bloodstream. This information is then relayed to neurons in another region of the brainstem called the parabrachial nucleus, which also receives information related to pain and certain aversive or traumatic memories. In turn, these neurons activate neurons in the hypothalamus leading to a rapid increase in cortisone, a hormone with anti-inflammatory properties, in the blood. (my bold)

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"The experts observed how the activity of specific neurons in the parabrachial nucleus could regulate the production of white blood cells involved in the immune response. "This research demonstrates that neural activity in the brain alone can have a powerful effect on the development of immune responses during infection or injury. It therefore provides a clear example of the powerful two-way connection between the body and brain. It also fuels our ambition to discover the impact of our brain on the way we interact with microbes, fight off pathogens and heal wounds," explains Gérard Eberl.

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"Given the established role of the parabrachial nucleus in aversive memory processes, potential infectious threats could be averted if this circuit is reactivated by the memory of past inflammatory or aversive experiences. Drawing on this neuro-immune communication, the immune system could therefore benefit from the brain's ability to predict and anticipate threats in our environment."

Comment: no surprise at the brain's involvement. Note my bold. The Vagus nerve travels everywhere in the abdominal cavity and elsewhere in the body as acontrol conduit.

Immunity system complexity: new T cell triggers

by David Turell @, Saturday, August 19, 2023, 16:40 (245 days ago) @ David Turell

Complex discovery:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-08-major-implications-cell.html

'According to new research in the journal Immunity, T cells have a nuclear receptor doing something very odd—but very important—to help them fight pathogens and destroy cancer cells. This receptor, called retinoic acid receptor alpha (RARα), is known to control gene expression programs in the nucleus, but it also now appears to operate outside the cell nucleus to coordinate the early events triggered at the cell surface that lead to T cell activation.

"Scientists wouldn't normally expect to see a nuclear receptor such as RARα playing this role outside the cell nucleus. And yet the new findings suggest T cells cannot begin to fight disease without a form of RARα on the scene in the cytoplasm.

"'Cytoplasmic retinoic acid receptors turn out to be central for a T cell to link sensing at the cell surface with downstream signaling cascades and gene expression programs that transform the T cell to become an active fighter," says Professor Hilde Cheroutre, Ph.D., who led the new study at La Jolla Institute for Immunology.

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"Special molecules called T cell receptors (TCRs) sit on the cell membrane, where they receive messages from other cells. You can imagine TCRs as fire-spotters, the lookouts who scan for smoke from remote cabins in the wilderness. Just as fire-spotters need to alert officials to any smoke in the distance, TCRs need to quickly signal headquarters—the cell nucleus—if they detect a potential threat, such as a virus or cancer cell.

"Sending that signal to the cell nucleus is critical for activating gene expression to transform the T cell to a fighter cell. But TCRs can't just pick up a phone, so how do they alert the distant cell nucleus to trouble?

"The signaling process is fascinating. Once the TCR is triggered, molecules called kinases (enzymes that add phosphates to proteins) work with adaptors that tell nearby proteins to "click" together and assemble a special molecular "activation complex." This complex is called a TCR signalosome, and it comes together just inside the cell membrane. "The TCR signalosome is extremely important for mediating communication between the outside and the inside of a cell," says Cheroutre.

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"The researchers were intrigued to find that RARα actually comes in two variants, called isoforms. "These isoforms are encoded by the same gene, but they differ a little bit at one end. The consequences however are more significant and lock one form in the cytoplasm whereas the other form is confined to the nucleus" says Cheroutre.

"Could these two isoforms play different roles in T cells? Looking closer, the researchers realized this RARα isoform did not respond to retinoic acid and didn't even have the right equipment to function as a nuclear receptor.

"It didn't have the tools that are important for nuclear receptors, namely the ability to interact with DNA and the ability to translocate from the cytoplasm to the nucleus," says Cheroutre.

"Using CRISPR gene editing techniques to modulate expression of the two isoforms, the researchers found that modulating the cytoplasmic isoform caused major problems for TCR signaling in the cytoplasm and impaired the communication with the control center in the nucleus.

***

"For T cells, phosphorylation spurs key proteins into action when a threat is near. "There are hundreds to thousands of dynamic phosphorylation events that occur during the first hour or so of T cell stimulation," says Myers.

"As Myers and his colleagues examined their data, they were surprised to spot a phosphorylation event related to RARα. In fact, phosphorylation of RARα began just three minutes into T cell activation. "Because this event was that early, our findings suggest that this phosphorylation of RARα is near the T cell receptor—and it has a burst in activity right after the TCR is stimulated," says Myers.

"This discovery added to the evidence that the cytoplasmic isoform of RARα is activated by the TCR instead of by RA like the nuclear RARα. Thus, this new form of RARα represents an essential component of the TCR/ZAP70 activation complex at the cell surface.

"Cheroutre and her colleagues then shed light on another fascinating phenomenon in the cytoplasm. Scientists knew that RA, which is present in the blood and taken up by the T cells, is further transported to the nucleus by a molecule called cellular retinoic acid binding protein 2 (CRABP2). CRABP2 in the cytoplasm binds to RA and carries it into the cell nucleus where it activates nuclear RARα.

"The researchers showed that without CRABP2, RA remains in the cytoplasm of the T cell and instead of activating cytoplasmic RARα, it interferes with TCR-activated RARα in the cytoplasm and blocks T cell activation. As a result, the T cell can no longer effectively fight infections or kill cancer cells. The good side of this phenomenon is that the interference of RA with the cytoplasmic RARα reduces the inflammatory response of the T cell. The researchers think this process may make an important target to fight autoimmune diseases and other inflammatory diseases."

comment: The Crispr technique shows how complex the biochemical designs are.

Immunity system complexity: special T cells im cornea

by David Turell @, Wednesday, August 23, 2023, 19:39 (241 days ago) @ David Turell

A new technique found them:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news/specialized-t-cells-patrol-human-cornea-71296

"The consensus about innate immune cells in the cornea was based on in vivo confocal microscopy (IVCM), the current gold standard static imaging technique.3 However, IVCM has a few limitations, according to Chinnery. To better understand the cornea and its immune cells, Chinnery and her coauthor Laura Downie pioneered a new technique for dynamic corneal imaging: functional in vivo confocal microscopy (Fun-IVCM).

***

"...the authors performed Fun-IVCM on healthy human subjects and compared the morphology and behavior of the cells they videoed with those they found in mice. The movement and morphology of the cells was akin to the T cells seen in mouse corneas following viral infection.

"Next, they performed Fun-IVCM on individuals before and after they were exposed to inflammatory stimuli, demonstrating the response of the corneal cell populations to the inflammation. Acute inflammatory stimuli in the form of contact lens application reduced the number of T cells in the cornea. Chronic inflammation in the form of untreated ocular allergy did not affect the number of T cells, but it enhanced their motility.


"Jeremías Galletti, an ophthalmologist and ocular immunologist at the National Academy of Medicine of Buenos Aires who was not involved in the study, said that the findings are very convincing. “This is a great paper. We usually think of the cornea as an immune-privileged organ, and that the rules of immunology are different there. But now, [the authors] have found that in healthy human subjects, we have T cells entering and leaving the cornea all the time,” Galletti commented."

Comment: T cells are jacks of all trades. This means they carry instructions for many differing tasks, as would happen by purposeful design in their DNA.

Immunity system complexity: T cell triggers to fight cancer

by David Turell @, Saturday, September 30, 2023, 18:48 (203 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by David Turell, Saturday, September 30, 2023, 18:56

They have an ancient origin:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230925153805.htm

"A team of researchers at the University of Massachusetts Amherst has shown that a single, small strand of microRNA, or miRNA, known as let-7, governs the ability of T-cells to recognize and remember tumor cells. This cellular memory is the basis for how vaccines work.

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"'Our bodies have T-cells, which are white blood cells that specialize in fighting both pathogens, think of the common cold, and altered cells of the organism itself, like tumor cells. Most of the time, the T-cells are "naïve" -- mustered out of duty and resting. But when they recognize foreign antigens after bumping into them, they suddenly wake up, turn into killer T-cells and attack whatever the pathogen may be, from the sniffles to COVID, or even cancer. After the killer T-cells have won their battle, most of them die."

"'But," says Pobezinsky, "somehow a few survive, transform into memory cells and form an elite task force called the 'memory pool' -- they remember what that particular antigen looked like, so that they can be on the lookout for the next time it invades the body."

"This is one of the mechanisms behind how vaccines work: infect the body with a weakened dose of a pathogen -- say, the chicken pox virus -- and the memory cells will remember what that virus looks like, turn into killer T-cells, annihilate the virally infected cells and then transform back into memory cells, waiting for the next time the chicken pox virus shows up.

"But it's never been clearly understood just how T-cells form their memories.

"Moreover, cancerous tumor cells work by tricking the killer T-cells, turning them off before they can attack and create a memory pool, leaving the cancer to metastasize unchecked.

"'What we've discovered," says Pobezinsky, "is that a tiny piece of miRNA, let-7, which has been handed down the evolutionary tree since the dawn of animal life, is highly expressed in memory cells, and that the more let-7 a cell has, the less chance that it will be tricked by cancerous tumor cells, and the greater chance it has of turning into a memory cell." If the memory cell isn't tricked by the cancer, then it can fight and, crucially, remember what that cancerous cell looks like.

"'Memory cells can live for a very long time," adds Pobezinskaya. "They possess stem-cell-like features and can live for 70 years."

"'We are very excited, not only about the fundamental insights this research has provided, but also the translational impact it could have on next generation immunotherapies," says lead author Alexandria Wells.

Comment: An all-knowing God recognized mistakes could cause cancer and provided T cells with an answer to which they automatically answer by following their DNA instructions. Note the problem in older adults:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230925124847.htm

"'Based on previous studies, we expected to find that killer T cells in older adults were less effective because they had become exhausted or 'fallen asleep'," said Dr van de Sandt.

"'However, to our surprise, the very efficient killer T cells that we detected in children and adults seemed to actually disappear and be replaced with suboptimal cells in older adults. It is almost as if you replace the sword of a Roman soldier with a kitchen knife; they can learn how to use it, but it will never be as efficient as the sword.

"'One of the most intriguing findings of the study was that these cells, with a lower ability to recognise influenza viruses, displayed gene features closely similar to T cells found in newborns.'"

Comment: The answer for older adults is currently to give a double dose of the vaccine. Humans have the brains to help where God not designed an answer.

Immunity system complexity: protecting pregnancy

by David Turell @, Tuesday, November 14, 2023, 22:38 (157 days ago) @ David Turell

The fetus is a foreign body, but not to the immune system:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/

"The study showed how the placenta — the embryonic organ that connects offspring and mother — uses a molecular trick to feign illness. By pretending it’s under viral attack, it keeps the immune system running at a gentle, steady pace to protect the enclosed fetus from viruses that slip past the mom’s immune defenses.

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"Because antiviral immune weapons can destroy tissues, cells typically turn them on only when there’s an active threat like an infection, Kagan said. Then, once the infection clears, those weapons are turned off as quickly as possible.

"But the placenta breaks these rules, according to the new research. Somehow, it turns on defenses before they are necessary and then leaves them on without harming itself or the fetus.

***


"It took years for Totary-Jain and her team to zero in on an answer: The placental cells had crafted a viral look-alike, using RNA harvested from their own genomes, to dupe their immune sensors.

***

"But the data implicating Alus was too compelling to ignore. After years of careful experiments, Totary-Jain’s team showed that in the placenta, transcripts of Alu repeats formed snippets of double-stranded RNA — a molecular silhouette our cells recognize as viral in origin. Sensing the fake virus, the cell responded by producing interferon lambda.

“The cell is effectively dressing up as an infectious agent,” Kagan said. “The result is that it convinces itself that it’s infected, and then operates as such.”

***

"...cells cry “Virus!” at their own risk. In most tissues, Alu sequences are highly suppressed so that they never get a chance to mimic a viral attack. And yet that is the exact scenario the placenta seems to create on purpose. How does it balance the health of the growing embryo with a potentially risky immune response?

"In experiments with mice, Totary-Jain’s team found that the placenta’s double-stranded RNAs and ensuing immune response didn’t seem to hurt the developing embryos. Instead they protected the embryos from Zika virus infection. The placental cells were able to toe the line — conferring protection on the embryos without cuing a self-destructive immune response — because they called in the gentler defenses of interferon lambda.

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"Typically the first responders to double-stranded Alu RNA escapees are type I and type II interferons, which quickly recruit destructive immune cells to the site of an infection, leading to tissue damage and even autoimmune disease. Interferon lambda, on the other hand, is a type III interferon. It acts locally by communicating only with cells within the tissue, generating a milder immune response — one that can be sustained long term in the placenta.

"How placental cells manage to activate only interferon lambda, keeping the immune response simmering but never boiling over, is still a mystery. But Totary-Jain has an idea about why placental cells evolved this trick that other cells seemingly avoid: Since the placenta is discarded at birth, perhaps it can afford to take immune risks that other tissues can’t.

"The findings reveal a new strategy the placenta has for protecting the fetus, apart from mom’s immune system. Since the mother’s immune response is dampened during pregnancy to prevent attacks on the genetically distinct embryonic cells, the placenta has had to develop extra defenses for the growing baby it supports.

***

"It’s possible, then, that this kind of immune trickery is more common than anyone thought. By studying how the immune system seems to break its own rules, scientists can better define what the rules are in the first place.

Comment: a perfect example of irreducible complexity. Attempting to evolve this step by step is impossible. There are too many moving parts at play to be placed in motion all at once. Managing the accommodation of mother's pelvis to enlarging fetal skull size is another issue.

Immunity system complexity: how bacteria fight phages

by David Turell @, Wednesday, November 15, 2023, 19:30 (157 days ago) @ David Turell

Sensing a specific RNA viral structure is involved:

https://phys.org/news/2023-11-bacteria-viral-invasion-immune-defenses.html

"There's no organism on Earth that lives free of threat—including bacteria. Predatory viruses known as phages are among their most dire foes, infiltrating their cells to replicate and take over. Bacteria have evolved an array of strategies to counter these infections, but how they first spot an invader in their midst has long been a mystery.

"Now researchers in the Laboratory of Bacteriology at The Rockefeller University have discovered that bacteria sense phages via a defensive response called CBASS that detects viral RNA—findings that one day may help counter the threat of antibiotic resistance.

"'How CBASS is activated by phage infection has been a big unknown in our field for many years," says Luciano Marraffini, head of the lab. "Until now, no one has understood what triggers the bacteria to initiate the CBASS immune response."

"Some core immune functions are shared across distantly related domains of life, from eukaryotes (organisms with a membrane-bound nucleus) like mammals, plants, and fungi to prokaryotes (those without such membranes) like bacteria and archaea. These immune responses must've evolved early in the existence of life.

"One conserved characteristic is a viral sensing mechanism that relies on a specialized enzyme known as a cyclase. In animals, it's called cGAS (cyclic GMP-AMP synthase). In bacteria, cGAS-like cyclases are central components of the CBASS (cyclic oligonucleotide-based antiphage signaling system) immune response. Both were only discovered in the past decade.

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"However, because bacteria lack nuclei, they must take another approach. If CBASS reacted to the mere presence of DNA, it would result in rampant autoimmunity, or the bacterium attacking itself, Banh says.

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"The experiment revealed that only RNA produced during phage infection was able to trigger an immune response. "It was very clearly viral RNA that was generated during infection," says Roberts. "So instead of sensing a DNA mislocalization, like cGAS does, CBASS senses a specific RNA structure. This specificity is amazing." (my bold)

"They coined the newly identified, hairpin-shaped molecule cabRNA (pronounced "cab-R-N-A" or alternatively, "cabernet"), for CBASS-activating bacteriophage RNA. The molecule binds to a surface of the cyclase, triggering the production of a messenger molecule called cGAMP that activates the CBASS immune response.

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"Here, too, there are parallels to how the analogous system operates in humans. After detecting viral DNA, cGAS also triggers the production of cGAMP, which induces the immune system to produce Type I interferons. That antiviral signaling pathway is known as cGAS-STING."

Comment: a clear representation of how evolution passes down useful mechanisms. Note my bold. The narrow degree of specificity is truly amazing. Another example of an IC mechanism.

Immunity system complexity: how lipids help

by David Turell @, Monday, November 27, 2023, 20:22 (145 days ago) @ David Turell

New lipid research:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news/move-over-proteins-exploring-lipids-in-adaptive-immu...

"The immune system discriminates between the body’s own cells and foreign invaders largely by auditing proteins. Cells digest proteins into short fragments and load them onto the major histocompatibility complex (MHC), which presents the peptide to T cells for inspection. Using a parallel strategy, cells can also present lipids to T cells via a protein called cluster of differentiation 1 (CD1). Although scientists knew of the existence of lipid antigens, most immunology research has focused on protein antigens, leaving much to demystify about the role of CD1 and lipids.

"In a study spanning 14 years, a team of immunologists took on the challenge of characterizing CD1. Published in the journal Cell, they showed that CD1 can onboard hundreds of lipids to present to T cells.

***

"Lipid structures are harder to uncover, and past studies have focused on individual CD1 types rather than the whole ensemble, which includes four different variants (CD1a to CD1d), making comparisons difficult. In this study, “we have all four proteins together that allow us to figure the patterns that belong to each specific isoform,” said Shouxiong Huang, coauthor and immunologist at the University of Cincinnati.

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"Only a small number of lipids were known to bind CD1, but the new lipidomic analysis increased the count to more than 1600.4 Moreover, all four CD1 types shared more than half of the lipids, an overlap Barral hypothesized might boost the immunosurveillance capabilities of T cells. “Even if it’s the same lipid, it doesn’t necessarily sit in the same way in the different CD1 molecules,” she speculated. “This will affect what the T cell receptor sees.”

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"The team found that CD1 varieties preferentially loaded some lipids according to chain length. For example, CD1a preferred shorter chains (38 to 40 carbons) than CD1d (42 to 46 carbons). Of particular interest to the researchers was CD1b, a molecule that preferred short lipids with a chain length of 30 to 38 carbons even though its groove is large enough to hold twice that size. This led the team to hypothesize that the CD1b groove could hold two short lipids simultaneously. By resolving the crystal structure of the CD1b-lipid complex, they found that two lipids occupied the upper and lower chambers of the groove, suggesting that only the upper lipid contacts the T cell receptors (TCR).

***

"These lipid antigens originate from human cells and might serve to train T cells to discriminate the body’s own lipids from those of infectious microbes. Moody noted that some of these lipids might influence the immune response in autoimmune conditions or cancer, too. Alternatively, a few might have no immune role but serve as placeholders in the hydrophobic, water-repelling groove until a lipid antigen is loaded. Some of the most frequently loaded lipids might include placeholders, like derivates of sphingomyelin and phosphatidylcholine, but the team couldn’t find a single dominant lipid, implying that a variety plug the groove.

Comment: an important new area of discovery in the immune system. T cells remain as a key center for response. We see a new way they are informed in the design.

Immunity system complexity: more B cell functions

by David Turell @, Monday, November 27, 2023, 21:02 (144 days ago) @ David Turell

Just published:

https://phys.org/news/2023-11-team-protein-crucial-cell-differentiation.html

"Establishing proper communication between genes and far-away control switches at the right time in the right cell is not a small feat. In fact, very few proteins have the right combination of features to organize the genome into the right structures.

"In a new study published in Cell, scientists at La Jolla Institute for Immunology (LJI) and Massachusetts General Hospital, Harvard Medical School, show how a protein called IKAROS helps "weave" the genome into the correct structure required for B cell differentiation and generation of a life-saving repertoire of antibodies.

'"Without IKAROS, you cannot make a functioning B cell," says LJI Associate Professor Ferhat Ay, Ph.D., who co-led the new study.

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"'IKAROS acts at the root of this development and enables differentiation of the hematopoietic stem cell into a diverse set of immune cells including B cells," says Georgopoulos. These earlier studies showed that IKAROS-loss-of function mutations caused lymphoid malignancies in animal models and were associated with poor prognosis in children and young adults with B cell precursor leukemias.

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"The researchers found that IKAROS solves a big problem in B cell development. B cells use receptors with two "arms" to detect pathogens. These arms have a "light chain" region and a "heavy chain" region. When a B cell recognizes a pathogen, it churns out antibodies with matching arms.

" B cells assemble heavy chain regions fairly early in development. The Ay and Georgopoulos Labs found that assembling the light chain regions can be tricky because the genes encoding light chain development sit pretty far apart on the DNA. "This whole region needs to be rearranged in a proper 3D conformation," says Ay. "Something needs to bring them together."

"Fortunately, IKAROS is on the scene to help with some genome gymnastics. The two labs found that IKAROS binds to specific parts of the genome and controls the formation of very useful loops using these sites as anchors. This looping brings far-away genes together with their control elements, leading to the activation and expression of the genes needed for proper B cell development and light chain rearrangement. Just as important, this folding of the genome keeps other control elements away from genes that should not be expressed in a B cell.

***

"The scientists emphasize that research into how chromatin is organized in the 3D space can help us understand how healthy cells develop—and how an improperly folded genome causes disease such as immunodeficiencies and cancer. Going forward, the researchers are interested in learning more about IKAROS disruption and disease development."

Comment: this ties in well with the previous entry on immunity. There are some B cells that routinely alter DNA to build an operative library of antibodies. This is a specific ability designed for an important function.

Immunity system complexity: why fever

by David Turell @, Tuesday, November 28, 2023, 19:27 (144 days ago) @ David Turell

It came as we evolved to help with infection:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2405182-why-some-medical-conditions-are-due-to-evo...

"Fever

"A raised temperature is usually caused by infections. The standard medical advice for anyone whose temperature goes above about 38°C (100°F) has been to use over-the-counter medicines such as ibuprofen and paracetamol (known as acetaminophen in the US) to bring it down. But in the past few years, there has been a rethink.

"The body’s temperature is carefully controlled by the hypothalamus at the base of the brain. During an infection, our temperature rises for a reason: many bacteria and viruses reproduce more slowly at higher temperatures, while our immune cells seem to work better. (my bold)

"This means that taking drugs to bring down temperature could actually be counterproductive. Even intensive care doctors are rethinking how much they should intervene with high temperatures.

"Medical advice to the public has also started changing in some countries. In the UK, for instance, National Health Service websites say that drugs such as paracetamol should be taken only to combat discomfort or distress from the high temperature, not just for the sake of it, saying it is “the body’s natural response to fighting infections'”.

This quote exactly mirrors my response to my patients. Don't fight the fever unless you are very uncomfortble with it. There are always reasons for what happens to us.

Immunity system complexity: bacterial molecular attacks

by David Turell @, Tuesday, December 12, 2023, 18:42 (130 days ago) @ David Turell

new research on bacterial mechanisms in disease:

https://phys.org/news/2023-12-scientists-bacteria-protein-cells-infection.html

"Scientists discover how bacteria build protein signals in cells during infection

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"A study published today in the journal Molecular Cell describes how the protein ubiquitin is modified during bacterial infection.

"The study details the steps taken to create a form of the protein known as lysine 6 polyubiquitin, where a long chain of ubiquitin molecules are linked through the amino acid lysine. This form of ubiquitin helps cells communicate by sending a molecular message—communication that remains poorly understood.

***

"...the details of how lysine 6 polyubiquitin is formed or how it is involved in disease aren't yet clear.

"To explore this, OHSU scientists focused on illness-causing bacteria and how they manipulate lysine 6 polyubiquitin during infection. Researchers isolated enzymes used by E. coli and Salmonella to cause food poisoning and other illnesses, and observed how the enzymes interacted with ubiquitin.

"The team learned that one particular enzyme was central to building up lysine 6 polyubiquitin. (my bold)

"In earlier, related research that was published in January, the same scientists found that a different enzyme from a different illness-causing bacteria, Legionella pneumophila—which causes a type of pneumonia called Legionnaires' disease—actively breaks apart the same molecule during infection.

"This means different enzymes have different impacts on the same lysine 6 polyubiquitin during infection.

"'Knowing how lysine 6 polyubiquitin is regulated is an important first step," said the study's senior researcher, Jonathan Pruneda, Ph.D., an assistant professor of molecular microbiology and immunology at the OHSU School of Medicine. "We'll use this knowledge as a foundation for future research, including exploring how bacteria take advantage of ubiquitin while infecting cells.'"

Comment: research at this molecular level allows scientists to develop counteracting drugs. As usual, I must call attention to a complex enzyme in action. These are giant, very complex molecules to promote specific molecular reactions. Such molecules require design, not Darwinian chance mutations.

Immunity system complexity: response to flu vacines

by David Turell @, Friday, December 22, 2023, 16:12 (120 days ago) @ David Turell

Newly found antibodies fight flu viruses:

https://www.livescience.com/health/viruses-infections-disease/never-before-seen-antibod...

"In the new study, published Thursday (Dec. 21) in the journal PLOS Biology, scientists described a newfound class of antibodies in human blood samples that target multiple forms of the influenza A virus.

***

"To guard against influenza A, conventional flu vaccines usually prompt the immune system to produce antibodies against the H protein on the surface of the virus. Antibodies have previously been discovered that target two main types of hemagglutinin, called H1 and H3, at the same time. However, they can only do this if there is a specific mutation in H1, namely the insertion of an amino acid in the outer edge of the protein that binds to a receptor on the outside of our cells. This consequently limits the antibodies' efficacy against different flavors of flu virus.

"Through lab experiments, the study authors identified antibodies that are abundant in human blood and can bind to certain H1 and H3 strains of influenza A, whether or not this hemagglutinin mutation is present. This means that they'd theoretically be able to provide broad protection against both subtypes of virus, potentially even as circulating strains mutate over time.

"A newly discovered class of antibodies in human blood can neutralize different types of the flu virus and could be key to the development of broadly protective vaccines against the seasonal viruses, scientists say.

"Circulating flu viruses constantly mutate, so "we need annual influenza virus vaccines to keep pace with continuing viral evolution," the researchers behind the discovery said in a statement. "Our work suggests that the barriers to eliciting more broadly protective immunity may be surprisingly low," they said.

"There are four types of flu virus, known as influenza A, B, C and D, with A and B being responsible for the seasonal flu epidemics in the U.S. every year.

"Influenza A comes in many subtypes whose differences lie in two proteins that the virus uses to infect our cells: hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N). For example, H1N1 and H3N2 are subtypes of influenza A that routinely infect people.

'Within each subtype are different "strains" that constantly tweak their genetic code. For example, a strain of H1N1 is currently the dominant virus causing flu in the U.S. Influenza B, meanwhile, is divided into two lineages — Yamagata and Victoria — and is typically responsible for a much smaller proportion of flu cases.

***

"'Given the right series of influenza virus exposures/vaccinations, it is possible for humans to mount robust antibody responses that neutralize divergent H1N1 and H3N2 viruses, opening new avenues to design improved vaccines," the authors said in the statement.

"'In other words, there may be a way to ensure vaccines trigger the production of these broad-acting antibodies, to ensure the shots guard against both subtypes of the virus equally well."

Comment: our new ingenuity is the knowledge of tailoring vaccines to exact spots on the virus. This matches the body's ability to make specific antibodies.

Immunity system complexity: specialized T cells

by David Turell @, Friday, December 29, 2023, 00:48 (113 days ago) @ David Turell

Source found:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-12-scientists-year-old-mystery-once-elusive-source....

"One of the more rigorous debates in immunology has centered on the origin of an enigmatic T cell population that possesses properties imparting memory and stem cell–like qualities, but facts about their genesis were so elusive that debate has raged for nearly two decades about the source of these vital immune system constituents.

"Now, scientists in Switzerland have pinpointed precursors to cells known as stem-like central memory T cells—TCM cells—and tracked their transformation from precursors to active players in the immune response.

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"To be clear, the existence of TCM cells wasn't part of the years-long mystery because immunologists can quickly identify them when they see them. Stem-like central memory T cells—TCM cells—are critical to the adaptive immune system's ability to create long-lasting memories by commandeering pathogens in episodes of infection, or re-exposure, and triggering a rapid mobilization of the vital host defense. Adaptive immunity is dominated by T cells and B cells. This type of immunity develops over time as opposed to innate immunity, the non-specific immune response that reacts from birth onward.

"What remained unknown was where TCM cells came from in the first place. Immunologists had long deliberated whether these stem-like T cells were actually killer Ts that acquired the properties of memory T cells. Although essential to the overall immune response, TCM cells were deeply mired in debate and steeped in controversy as immunologists around the world wrangled over the cells' source of origin.

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"The study, reported in Science Immunology, sheds light on these cells, and scientists at the University of Lausanne have tracked the emergence of stem cell-like central memory T cells in an animal model. The team also found that when the laboratory animals were challenged with a viral infection, TCM cells rapidly emerged. In solving the mystery of the cells' origin, scientists found that the cells are indeed derived from CD8+ T cells—killer Ts.

"'In response to infection, naïve CD8+ T cells yield a large pool of short-lived terminal effector cells that eliminate infected host cells," writes Joana Gomes Silva, lead author of the new research. "In parallel, a minor population of stem cell–like central memory cells forms, which has the capacity to maintain immunity after pathogen clearance."

"Silva noted that it had remained uncertain whether stem-like TCM cells arose through dedifferentiation from a subset of cytolytic T-terminal effector cells or whether priming generates stem-like cells capable of seeding the TCM. Dedifferentiation is a transient process by which cells become less specialized and return to an earlier cell state within the same lineage.

"The Swiss team, which included research conducted at the Translational Data Science Facility of the Swiss Institute of Bioinformatics, also in Lausanne, found that several subtle but rapid steps led to the coveted TCM cells. In the study, Silva and colleagues described how a group of central memory precursor T cells—TpCM cells—transformed into TCM cells in laboratory mice during initial infection with the lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus.

"The TpCM cells were detected early after infection, and they remained evident throughout the acute phase of the immune response. The important lesson to be derived from the research is that these precursors—TpCM cells—were predestined to become the TCM population, even though they also could transform into effector T cells when exposed to inflammatory signals. In addition, the ability to generate the precursors in response to certain vaccination models, the team found, illustrates their immune memory and suggests the key role they could play in vaccines that target them.

"The team discovered that early in the immune response to infection, the precursors use the transcription factor, TCF1, which renders them predestined to become the TCM population, while other CD8+ T cells branch off into other roles in response to inflammatory cues.

"'A key goal of understanding the developmental origin of TCM cells is to generate such cells by vaccination. The identification of TCM precursor cells represents an important step towards that goal," Silva concluded."

Comment: these cells are programmed to respond this way as the study shows. Immunity systems must develop abroad library of antibodies over a lifetime, the purpose for the existence of these particular specialized T cells.

Immunity system complexity: specialized T cells

by David Turell @, Wednesday, January 03, 2024, 16:35 (108 days ago) @ David Turell

T cells in hiding in deep organs:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzGwJcXsSGKtbVTTXHGvGpdrMSWW

"Some immune cells live inside tissues 24/7 so that they can constantly keep an eye out for pathogens. These in-house monitors, known as tissue-resident CD8+ T cells, generally lie in wait until they detect chemicals released by infected cells. Then, they quickly move to the infection site to help battle the unwanted microbes. So researchers were somewhat befuddled when they saw CD8+ T cells in salivary glands jumping into action in the absence of any apparent chemical cues. If they aren’t picking up on molecular signals, how are they deciding to move?

"According to a recent Science Immunology study, they move because they feel like it—literally. These “T cell subsets are equipped to sense and react to the physical properties of their tissue of residence,” the authors write. Specifically, as the cells become confined, they sense their nuclei being squeezed, and that triggers an “evasion reflex.” That means they can move about without picking up on the chemical cries of infected cells.

"This alternate mechanism for instigating movement may have evolved because glands are rarely exposed to microbes, and therefore their cells don’t often signal T cells to move about. If immune cells aren’t constantly patrolling, they might overlook the rare but dangerous infections that do occur in these tissues until the microbes have the upper hand."

From the paper:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.add5724

"The distinctive mode of exocrine gland TRM locomotion was triggered by sensing physical confinement and was closely correlated with nuclear deformation, which acts as a mechanosensor via an arachidonic acid and Ca2+ signaling pathway. By contrast, naïve CD8+ T cells or TRM surveilling microbe-exposed epithelial barriers did not show mechanosensing capacity. Inhibition of nuclear mechanosensing disrupted exocrine gland TRM scanning and impaired their ability to intercept target cells. These findings indicate that confinement is sufficient to elicit autonomous T cell surveillance in glands with restricted chemokine expression and constitutes a scanning strategy that complements chemosensing-dependent migration."

Comment: all of these activities are fully automatic reactions coded into the DNA of the T cells. This type of purposeful activity requires design, not natural evolution.

Immunity system complexity: preventing kidney stones

by David Turell @, Monday, January 08, 2024, 17:51 (103 days ago) @ David Turell

By immune macrophage cells:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-01-renal-macrophages-playing-crucial-role.html

"These techniques captured the association of macrophages with particles in urine and demonstrated the role of macrophages in particle removal. Renal macrophages located near medullary tubules display specific behaviors, extending transepithelial protrusions and constantly sampling urine contents.

"The macrophages were then seen to migrate and surround intratubular particles, aiding in their removal from the tubular system. Mice were injected with fluorescent inert latex beads into the kidney, and within 12 hours, free beads were almost absent from the lumen of the collecting ducts.

"To confirm the role of the macrophages, the latex bead experiment was repeated with mice lacking renal macrophages. Macrophage-depleted mice showed increased retention of the fluorescent beads even after 36 hours despite the more prolonged exposure to natural urine flushing.

"This result suggests that normal urine flushing alone could not efficiently remove big particles in the renal tubule system without the macrophage pre-disposal assistance.

"The findings suggest potential therapeutic implications for kidney stones (nephrolithiasis or renal calculi) and for developing kidney-specific drug delivery methods based on these distinctive macrophage features."

Comment: macrophages are programmed to spot abnormalities and remove them. It isn't limited to infectious organisms.

Immunity system complexity: gut immune cells imporrtance

by David Turell @, Tuesday, January 09, 2024, 15:42 (102 days ago) @ David Turell

They affect many parts of the body:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzGwJchvfjLhvTTCjpkhmdChWdGc

"An upset stomach isn’t ordinarily a cause for concern. The human gut hosts a large number of immune cells as well as a diverse community of bacteria and other microbes. This system is as sensitive as it is complex; many factors—from foodborne illnesses to diet and even psychological stress—can throw it out of whack. But sometimes, perturbations in the gut lead to long-lasting health issues. For instance, some studies have linked imbalances in the gut microbiome to autoimmune diseases like arthritis and multiple sclerosis.

"To better understand the gut’s impact on health and disease, scientists genetically engineered mice to express fluorescent proteins in their gut immune cells. These tags allowed scientists to track the cells as they travelled about the body and create a detailed map of their movements. They found that cells originating in the colon travel widely, often zeroing in on sites of inflammation such as tumors and arthritic joints. Meanwhile, disturbances in the intestines—such as changes in the makeup of microbes—temporarily suppressed the migration of some immune cells, while causing others to flock to distant lymph nodes.

"These new findings suggest that the gut microbiome can have a powerful impact on how gut immune cells move. These migration patterns affect immune responses throughout the body, write the study's authors, which could explain the links between gut problems and sundry diseases."

The original article: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.adi0672

"Editor’s summary
There is growing evidence that the interplay among enteric microbiota, dietary antigens, and immune cells located in the gut has systemic impacts in both health and disease. To better understand how the gut mediates interorgan communication, a clearer delineation of gut immune cell migration to the periphery is needed. Galván-Peña et al. used Kaede photoconvertible mice and single-cell RNA sequencing (scRNA-seq) to map the migration of immune cells from the colon at homeostasis, after gut injury, and in the context of extraintestinal inflammation. This approach revealed much greater dynamic immunocyte turnover than previously thought and uncovered unique patterns of migration that depended on the nature and location of inflammatory lesion. These findings may help to explain how perturbations in the gut microbiota can engender such distant and potent effects. —Seth Thomas Scanlon" (my bold)

Comment: just amazing to me. The immune system is programmed to offer immediate protections.

Immunity system complexity: production at high speed

by David Turell @, Friday, January 12, 2024, 18:30 (99 days ago) @ David Turell

New study on immune capacity for production of antibodies:

https://www.sciencemagazinedigital.org/sciencemagazine/library/item/12_january_2024/416...

Optimized transfer RNA (tRNA) codon use can speed up antibody generation.

"Antibodies are critical for human health, providing long-lived and exquisitely specific immunity to pathogens. Plasma cells secrete tens of thousands of antibody molecules every second and sustain this output continuously for several decades. Plasmablasts and plasma cells [collectively, antibodysecreting cells (ASCs)] are generated following the activation and differentiation of B cells, which involves complete reprogramming of the transcriptional machinery and remodeling of the endoplasmic reticulum and Golgi apparatus. ASCs have co-opted the unfolded protein response (UPR), a stress response, to accommodate the exceptional rate of protein synthesis and secretion required. On page 205 of this issue, Giguère et al. reveal that mRNA encoding antibody genes is enriched with codons recognized by modified transfer RNA (tRNA). This codon optimization is accompanied by an increase in tRNAs with complementary modifications, which serves to enhance antibody biosynthesis by ASCs. This has wider implications for therapeutic protein production, vaccine design, and beyond.

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"Giguère et al. found that, relative to other genes, antibody mRNA sequences from both human and mouse ASCs display a conserved bias toward codons recognized by inosine-34– modified tRNA and that ASCs are enriched with tRNA with inosine modifications. In a mouse model, reducing the frequency of inosine-34–dependent codons resulted in decreased antibody production, confirming that coordination of inosine-34–dependent codon bias and inosine tRNA abundance is a mechanism to enhance antibody biosynthesis. Understanding the regulatory mechanisms governing tRNA modification requires further research.

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"Giguère et al. revealed that codon usage plays a role in the selection of B cells into the memory compartment. Following activation, B cells undergo affinity-based selection to expand rare clones with the strongest antigen-binding variable regions. By examining the human postvaccination antibody repertoire, Giguère et al. identified an enrichment in I34-dependent codons in the mRNA encoding the antigen binding domains (variable regions) of plasma cells and memory B cells relative to the naïve B cell repertoire.

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"Deciphering the intricate network of signaling pathways and regulatory factors driving tRNA remodeling in ASCs is crucial; understanding how tRNA modifications affect translational fidelity, efficiency, and protein folding during antibody synthesis warrants further investigation.

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"Whether altered tRNA pools influence broader aspects of cellular fitness beyond antibody production remains unknown. The study by Giguère et al. provides a foundational understanding of tRNA remodeling and codon usage in humoral immunity, representing a paradigm shift in our understanding of translation dynamics."

Comment: this study shows that DNA in immune cells has many hundreds of genes to drive the production of antibodies at the rates described in the first paragraph. All under very precise controls. God not needed to ever intervene.

The study abstract:

S. Giguère et al., Science 383, 205 (2024)

"Antibodies are produced at high rates to provide immunoprotection, which puts pressure on the B cell translational machinery. Here, we identified a pattern of codon usage conserved across antibody genes. One feature thereof is the hyperutilization of codons that lack genome-encoded Watson-Crick transfer RNAs (tRNAs), instead relying on the posttranscriptional tRNA modification inosine (I34), which expands the decoding capacity of specific tRNAs through wobbling. Antibody-secreting cells had increased I34 levels and were more reliant on I34 for protein production than naïve B cells. Furthermore, antibody I34-dependent codon usage may influence B cell passage through regulatory checkpoints. Our work elucidates the interface between the tRNA pool and protein production in the immune system and has implications for the design and selection of antibodies for vaccines and therapeutics."

Immunity system complexity: killer T cells promote repair

by David Turell @, Tuesday, January 16, 2024, 20:40 (95 days ago) @ David Turell

They produce guiding molecules:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-01-killer-cells-tissue-regeneration.html

"One of the main functions of the immune system is to defend the body against infections or cancer. This task is efficiently carried out by immune cells known as killer T cells. These cells possess the ability to destroy body cells that are, for example, infected by viruses or transformed into tumor cells. However, what happens after the destruction of infected body cells? How is tissue damage, resulting from the destruction of target cells, repaired, and organ function restored?

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"'This indicates that soluble factors produced by killer T cells during the destruction of infected cells support the healing of the remaining tissue cells," explains author Lisa Schmidleithner.

"Which factors mediate this surprising healing property? The authors found that growth factors such as amphiregulin are involved in the wound healing effect. Human killer T cells can produce these growth factors and stimulate other cells in the tissue to produce them as well. In addition to these growth factors, "classic" immune messengers such as tumor necrosis factor and interferon-gamma can enhance the impact of amphiregulin and support the wound healing effect.

"To better understand the impact of the regenerative effects of killer T cells, the researchers co-cultured human mini-organs, called organoids, with killer T cells.

"'We observed that the number and size of these organoids significantly increased when activated killer T cells or their released growth factors were present," reports author Philipp Stüve. This suggests that killer T cell-mediated wound healing processes can influence complex regeneration processes.

"In addition to these positive effects on tissue regeneration and wound healing, the same killer T cell-derived growth factors could potentially promote diseases such as cancer. "Indeed, in further experiments, we observed that factors produced by activated killer T cells also enhanced the growth of tumor cells," reports Malte Simon, who also authored the study.

"What do these results mean for further research?

"'Our data suggest that killer T cells not only destroy pathologically altered cells but also initiate the subsequent tissue regeneration," explains Markus Feuerer, the lead author of the study. This mechanism could be useful in the context of viral infections to promote wound closure after the destruction of infected cells and thus restore functionality of the tissue. However, in the context of tumor diseases, this could promote the growth of undestroyed tumor cells."

Comment: from a design point of view, the work of killer T cells is destructive. Therefore, it is reasonable to add a reconstructive function to follow. All of evolution makes sense from a purposive design view.

Immunity system complexity: helps digest chitin

by David Turell @, Wednesday, January 17, 2024, 17:27 (94 days ago) @ David Turell

Chitin is a tough fiber:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news/the-immune-system-helps-with-digestion-71595?utm_cam...

"Most dietary fibers are broken down by the microbiome because they are too complicated for digestion by the stomach and intestines alone. However, in a paper published in Science, a team at Washington University reported that the stomach uses an immune-mediated circuit to digest chitin, a ubiquitous structural fiber found in fungi, shrimp, and insects, and that this circuit also influences metabolic homeostasis. These findings could help scientists understand the relationship between digestive processes and metabolic activities.

Chitin is often found in airway allergens like dust mites and spores. It activates type two immune responses, the body’s defenses against allergens or parasites, which include type 2 innate lymphoid cells (ILC2), a group of immune cells that produce cytokines to drive allergic or parasitic responses. ILC2 also induce the production of chitinase, an enzyme that breaks down chitin in airways. However, this may not be the full story of chitin and ILC2. (my bold)

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"Chitin-eating mice had increased stomach thickening and higher numbers of chemosensory epithelial cells, called tuft cChitin is often found in airway allergens like dust mites and spores. It activates type two immune responses, the body’s defenses against allergens or parasites, which include type 2 innate lymphoid cells (ILC2), a group of immune cells that produce cytokines to drive allergic or parasitic responses. ILC2 also induce the production of chitinase, an enzyme that breaks down chitin in airways. However, this may not be thells, in their stomachs compared to cellulose-eating mice, suggesting that digesting chitin remodeled the existing tissue. Chitin also induced distention of the stomach, which caused tuft cells to produce ILC2-activating cytokines. This coincided with increased numbers of ILC2 in the stomach. Because ILC2 maintain metabolic homeostasis in adipose tissue, the team investigated ILC2 responses in this tissue and found that chitin increased the number of activated ILC2 in adipose tissue.

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"This suggested that ILC2-mediated AMCase expression is necessary for the adaptation to dietary chitin, and that disrupting this circuit leads to altered ILC2 activity in gastrointestinal and adipose tissues.

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"Surprisingly, AMCase-deficient mice with chitin in their diets gained weight at a slower rate than normal mice that also ate chitin. These animals also expended more energy and had a higher respiration rate than animals with functional AMCase. However, chitin-eating mice had better glucose and insulin tolerance than animals eating a high-fat diet with cellulose. This finding suggested that the adaptation to chitin through AMCase and ILC2 activation plays an important role in metabolic homeostasis."

Comment: if the immune system is involved in allergic reactions, it is easy to understand how it was designed to be coopted by the need for digestion.

Immunity system complexity: bacterial spears

by David Turell @, Thursday, January 18, 2024, 18:25 (93 days ago) @ David Turell

Just as bacteria spear opponents, they spear our cells:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/disease-microbes-inject-proteins-cells

"Swallow the wrong microbe, and you might end up in the hospital with a needle or two in your arm — and plenty of itty-bitty bacterial needles poking at you from the inside. That’s because many bacteria that make us sick use microscopic, syringelike structures to inject our cells with proteins that wreak havoc from the inside. Now, researchers have shown how these microbes load their nanoscale needles with proteins.

"Tracking individual proteins as they jittered around inside living bacteria revealed the microbes use a shuttle bus–like system to load their syringes: shuttle proteins travel random paths within the microbes’ interiors, grabbing cargo destined for injection as they go and dropping it off at the syringes, scientists report January 3 in Nature Microbiology. Knowing how these bacterial needles work could help scientists learn how to disrupt them — or commandeer them for medical applications, like using bacterial needles to inject cancer cells with targeted drugs while leaving healthy tissue unscathed.

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"Under the microscope, the syringelike structures, called a type-III secretion system, look like hollow needles just wide enough for a single unfolded protein to slither through, Diepold says. A microbe’s entire surface might be covered in such needles, giving the bacterium the look of a sinister little pincushion. Scientists know the protein structure of these nanoscale needles quite well. But “we don’t know the basic question of how they recruit whatever is injected,” he says.

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"This type of secretion system, one of a handful of different types of needles bacteria have at their disposal, is widespread across different species of bacteria, Diepold says, so they’re good targets for new types of antibacterial drugs.

"They’re also promising tools for medicine and biotech, Hughes says. But as much as they look like medical syringes, bacterial syringes work differently — and scientists still don’t know exactly how bacteria push proteins through their needles. It’s also unclear how the proteins that load up the needles recognize their targets. “We want to understand the riddle of how these systems work,” Diepold says. “We want to understand which solutions evolution came up with to allow bacteria to infect us.”

Comment: this is like the spikes viruses use. It will be interesting to learn how the 'syringes' work.

Immunity system complexity: bacterial spears

by David Turell @, Thursday, January 18, 2024, 18:26 (93 days ago) @ David Turell

Just as bacteria spear opponents, they spear our cells:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/disease-microbes-inject-proteins-cells

"Swallow the wrong microbe, and you might end up in the hospital with a needle or two in your arm — and plenty of itty-bitty bacterial needles poking at you from the inside. That’s because many bacteria that make us sick use microscopic, syringelike structures to inject our cells with proteins that wreak havoc from the inside. Now, researchers have shown how these microbes load their nanoscale needles with proteins.

"Tracking individual proteins as they jittered around inside living bacteria revealed the microbes use a shuttle bus–like system to load their syringes: shuttle proteins travel random paths within the microbes’ interiors, grabbing cargo destined for injection as they go and dropping it off at the syringes, scientists report January 3 in Nature Microbiology. Knowing how these bacterial needles work could help scientists learn how to disrupt them — or commandeer them for medical applications, like using bacterial needles to inject cancer cells with targeted drugs while leaving healthy tissue unscathed.

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"Under the microscope, the syringelike structures, called a type-III secretion system, look like hollow needles just wide enough for a single unfolded protein to slither through, Diepold says. A microbe’s entire surface might be covered in such needles, giving the bacterium the look of a sinister little pincushion. Scientists know the protein structure of these nanoscale needles quite well. But “we don’t know the basic question of how they recruit whatever is injected,” he says.

***

"This type of secretion system, one of a handful of different types of needles bacteria have at their disposal, is widespread across different species of bacteria, Diepold says, so they’re good targets for new types of antibacterial drugs.

"They’re also promising tools for medicine and biotech, Hughes says. But as much as they look like medical syringes, bacterial syringes work differently — and scientists still don’t know exactly how bacteria push proteins through their needles. It’s also unclear how the proteins that load up the needles recognize their targets. “We want to understand the riddle of how these systems work,” Diepold says. “We want to understand which solutions evolution came up with to allow bacteria to infect us.”

Comment: this is like the spikes viruses use. It will be interesting to learn how the 'syringes' work. Be sure to see the photos of them.

Immunity system complexity: RNA guiding neutrophiles

by David Turell @, Monday, January 22, 2024, 18:24 (89 days ago) @ David Turell

Neutrophiles need directions:

https://phys.org/news/2024-01-rnas-cells-immune.html

"Ribonucleic acids (RNAs) are the ultimate cellular insiders. They perform several critical jobs, such as ferrying genetic instructions from a living organism's DNA to its protein-making machinery (a process key to cellular processes) and controlling which genes are activated. All of these processes are conducted within the safe confines of the cellular membrane.

"But in the last few years, scientists have been surprised to find RNAs on the surface of cells, too, well outside their known natural habitat. So what are they doing so far outside their comfort zone?

"According to a new Yale study, one key function of these extracellular RNAs is to guide immune system cells within a type of white blood cells, known as neutrophils, to the sites of inflammation.

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"'Neutrophils are the firefighters or first responders to infections or injury," said Jun Lu, an associate professor of genetics at Yale School of Medicine (YSM) and co-corresponding author of the new study. "We found that without these RNAs on the surface of cells, neutrophils can't reach their destination."

"It is also likely that these surface RNAs perform other functions that are still unclear, Lu said, adding, "It's the beginning of a whole new field."

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"RNAs located on the surface of cells differ slightly from their cousins found on the inside of cells in that they contain glycans, or sugar, in their structure. In a series of experiments with mice, the Yale team found that when they eliminated cell surface glycoRNAs from the neutrophils, the first-responder cells were no longer able to respond to infections. Nor could they migrate out of the bloodstream through linings of blood vessels.

"The Yale researchers found that glycoRNAs originate from RNAs inside the cells, but the specific process by which they are transported to the cell surface is still being studied. It is possible that regular RNAs inside the cells are repurposed for other functions on the cell surface, the researchers say.

"Lu explained that more research must be done to understand the role of glycoRNAs in the function of the human immune system and whether enhancing this function might help the body fight infection, or alternately, whether their suppression might help combat autoimmune disorders.

Comment: A new guiding system is found. The design makes perfect sense since it hastens the arrival of neutrophiles.

Immunity system complexity: a new function of B cells

by David Turell @, Saturday, February 10, 2024, 20:20 (70 days ago) @ David Turell

Special new abilities found:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/02/240208142446.htm

"Researchers from The Australian National University (ANU) have discovered a previously unknown ability of a group of immune system cells, known as Atypical B cells (ABCs), to fight infectious diseases such as malaria.

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"'Although ABCs are known to contribute to chronic inflammatory diseases and autoimmunity, we've discovered a previously unknown ability of these cells to fight disease. In this sense, ABCs are like a double-edged sword.

"'Contrary to past belief, ABCs are not junk cells; they are more important than we thought.
'
"'Our research found that ABCs are also instrumental in developing T follicular helper cells. These helper cells generate powerful antibodies that help the body fight malaria parasites.

"'Antibodies can block parasites in the blood as they travel from the site of the infectious mosquito bite to the liver, where the infection is first established."

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"Using gene-editing technology on mice, the ANU researchers discovered a gene called Zeb2 is crucial to the production of ABCs.

"'We found that manipulating the Zeb2 gene disrupted the creation of ABCs in the immune system," study co-author Professor Ian Cockburn, from The ANU John Curtin School of Medical Research, said.

"'Importantly, we found that mice without the Zeb2 gene were unable to control malaria infection.

"'Therefore, the findings show that ABCs play a crucial role in fighting malaria infections."

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"'ABCs also appear in large numbers in many autoimmune diseases, including lupus, which can be life-threating in severe cases," Professor Cockburn said."

Comment: The immune system is very complex and leads to therapeutic manipulation possibilities.

Immunity system complexity: guiding cells to infections

by David Turell @, Sunday, February 18, 2024, 19:18 (62 days ago) @ David Turell

Molecules that do it and how it happens are described:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/02/240215113612.htm

"When an enemy invades, defenders are ferried to the site to neutralise the marauders. In the human body, a protein carrier called SPNS2 transports S1P molecules from endothelial cells to rally immune cell response in infected organs and tissues.

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"'Seeing is believing. This work shows that SPNS2 is directly exporting S1P for signalling and it is possible to inhibit its transport function with small molecules. This work provides the foundation for understanding of how S1P is released by SPNS2 and how this protein function is inhibited by small molecules for treatment of inflammatory diseases," said team leader Dr Nguyen Nam Long.

"The SPNS2 protein allows the binding of the S1P signalling molecules to trigger the immune cells to leave the lymph nodes and induce inflammation in different parts of the body when needed.

"Made up of amino acids, the SPNS2 protein is malleable enough to change its shape and structure to release the S1P signalling molecules through small cavities found within the protein.

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"Both SPNS2 protein and S1P signalling molecule are required for immune cell recruitment to inflammatory organs, which goes towards treating various inflammatory diseases.

"Using pre-clinical models, we have shown that targeting SPNS2 proteins in the body blocks inflammatory responses in disease conditions, such as multiple sclerosis. This work has provided us a possibility to inhibit its transport function with small molecules that will go a long way to treating inflammatory diseases more efficiently and effectively," said Dr Nguyen."

Comment: as usual we see very specific molecules doing critical work. Evolution, as a natural process, could not have found such specificity by chance. Design required.

Immunity system complexity: T cells to attack or not

by David Turell @, Sunday, March 10, 2024, 20:31 (41 days ago) @ David Turell

Very malleable in responses:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2024-03-immune-cells-invading-pathogens.html

"How does your immune system decide between fighting invading pathogens now or preparing to fight them in the future? Turns out, it can change its mind.

"Every person has 10 million to 100 million unique T cells that have a critical job in the immune system: patrolling the body for invading pathogens or cancerous cells to eliminate. Each of these T cells has a unique receptor that allows it to recognize foreign proteins on the surface of infected or cancerous cells. When the right T cell encounters the right protein, it rapidly forms many copies of itself to destroy the offending pathogen.

"Importantly, this process of proliferation gives rise to both short-lived effector T cells that shut down the immediate pathogen attack and long-lived memory T cells that provide protection against future attacks. But how do T cells decide whether to form cells that kill pathogens now or protect against future infections?

"We are a team of bioengineers studying how immune cells mature. In our research recently published in the journal Immunity, we found that having multiple pathways to decide whether to kill pathogens now or prepare for future invaders boosts the immune system's ability to effectively respond to different types of challenges.

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"Specifically, we tracked the activity of a gene called T cell factor 1, or TCF1. This gene is essential for the longevity of memory cells. We found that stochastic, or probabilistic, silencing of the TCF1 gene when cells confront invading pathogens and inflammation drives an early decision between whether T cells become effector or memory cells. Exposure to higher levels of pathogens or inflammation increases the probability of forming effector cells.

"Surprisingly, though, we found that some effector cells that had turned off TCF1 early on were able to turn it back on after clearing the pathogen, later becoming memory cells.

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"The proper formation of persistent, long-lived T cell memory is critical to a person's ability to fend off diseases ranging from the common cold to COVID-19 to cancer.

"From a social and cognitive science perspective, flexibility allows people to adapt and respond optimally to uncertain and dynamic environments. Similarly, for immune cells responding to a pathogen, flexibility in decision making around whether to become memory cells may enable greater responsiveness to an evolving immune challenge. (my bold)

"Memory cells can be subclassified into different types with distinct features and roles in protective immunity. It's possible that the pathway where memory cells diverge from effector cells early on and the pathway where memory cells form from effector cells later on give rise to particular subtypes of memory cells.

"Our study focuses on T cell memory in the context of acute infections the immune system can successfully clear in days, such as cold, the flu or food poisoning. In contrast, chronic conditions such as HIV and cancer require persistent immune responses; long-lived, memory-like cells are critical for this persistence. Our team is investigating whether flexible memory decision making also applies to chronic conditions and whether we can leverage that flexibility to improve cancer immunotherapy.

"Resolving uncertainty surrounding how and when memory cells form could help improve vaccine design and therapies that boost the immune system's ability to provide long-term protection against diverse infectious diseases."

Comment: note my bold. Building this thoughtful form of T calls requires conceptualization that natural evolution does not have. Think of the thousands of coordinated mutations to be invented. These cells have an amazing, coded DNA controlling their actions.

Immunity system complexity: RNA guides T cells

by David Turell @, Tuesday, April 02, 2024, 17:55 (18 days ago) @ David Turell

RNA outside on cell surfaces call for T cell actions:

https://www.the-scientist.com/cell-surface-rna-helps-neutrophils-get-around-71758?utm_c...

"...when RNA molecules were detected on the surface of several cell types, researchers wondered what purpose they might serve. A recent study has revealed one of their functions: mobilizing immune cells to inflamed tissue.

"Published last month in Cell, a Yale University team led by geneticist Jun Lu and pharmacologist Dianqing Wu described how cell surface RNA helps neutrophils latch onto endothelial cells and infiltrate tissue. Removing the molecules prevents the immune cells from reaching inflammatory sites in mice, highlighting their role in the immune system’s response to potential threats.

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"Proof of cell-surface RNAs first came to light in 2020, when they were detected on immune cells in human blood.2 The following year, Bertozzi’s group found the molecules littering the surface of cancer cells and stem cells, where they are welded to a sugar chain.3 Like glycoproteins and glycolipids, this new category of molecule, christened glycoRNAs, appeared to bind to immune receptors, pointing to potential immunoregulatory functions.

"When Lu came across these papers, he responded with a healthy dose of skepticism. After all, he reasoned that any exposed RNA should be torn apart by RNases, RNA-degrading enzymes that roam the blood plasma.

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"His team began by using a chemical marker called biotin to label any sugar chains present on the neutrophil surface, tagging glycoproteins, glycolipids, and—potentially—glycoRNAs. Without rupturing the cell membrane, they purified RNA from labeled cells and then applied RNase at concentrations far higher than typically found in the human body. If the enzyme diminished the biotin signal, some sugars on the cells must be bound to extracellular RNA. To Lu’s surprise, the signal vanished, confirming the presence of glycoRNAs on the cell surface.

"If glycoRNAs share similar functions to glycoproteins and glycolipids, they may help immune cells reach inflammatory sites. To test this, the researchers dyed some neutrophils red and degraded their extracellular glycoRNAs using RNase. They labeled other neutrophils green but left their surface RNAs intact. After injecting the dyed cells into a mouse that had abdominal inflammation, Lu’s team found that the cells lacking glycoRNAs were less likely to reach the stomach.

"To infiltrate tissue, neutrophils must first latch onto exterior cells and then traverse through several cell layers. Lu wondered whether glycoRNAs contributed to both stages of this process, so his team placed neutrophils on one side of a cultured endothelial layer and a chemoattractant on the other. Immune cells lacking glycoRNAs showed less adhesion and reduced migration through the cell layer in vitro. Without the endothelial barrier, the cells migrated normally, suggesting that glycoRNAs do not affect cell mobility.

"To uncover how neutrophil glycoRNAs mediate attachment to endothelial cells, the researchers split the molecule into its sugar and RNA components. Saturating the same cell culture system with glycans blocked the immune cells from migrating through the endothelial layer, while RNA saturation had no effect. The findings suggested that—in a similar manner to other glycoconjugates—the glycan portion latches onto endothelial cells, while the RNA tethers the sugar to the membrane.

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"After culturing the cells together for three days, the team detected the chemical tags on only green cells, suggesting that the RNA is produced in-house rather than transferred from the external environment.

"Sequencing the glycoRNA molecules turned up hits for ribosomal RNA, transfer RNA, and small nucleolar RNAs, suggesting that they may be repurposed fragments of noncoding nucleic acids. Yet the rules that determine which bits of RNA end up on the membrane, and how they are protected from degradation, are unclear."

Comment: T cells need to be guided to spots requiring inflammation. That RNA's are freely acting as chaperons is an amazing finding. The group of various RNAs are truly the workhorses of the genome. DNA is an inert code until activated by RNA actions.

Immunity system complexity: how T cells are triggered

by David Turell @, Wednesday, October 25, 2023, 16:27 (178 days ago) @ David Turell

Another review:

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgzGwHLpZKlgNVsFxBpMRkFrvFbrL

"When a foreign substance enters the body, it puts the immune system on high alert. Helper T cells sound the alarm, prompting their deadlier relatives—the so-called killer T cells—to go on the offensive. To make sure these warriors don’t go too far, regulatory T cells (Tregs) tamp down inflammation and try to prevent the immune system from attacking the body’s own tissues.

"Once an infection has cleared, some immune cells stick around the lymph node and become memory T cells, which can quickly mobilize if they’re exposed to the same pathogen again in the future. Both helper and killer T cells can turn into memory T cells, but until recently, scientists didn't know much about the behavior of Tregs, and whether they, too, hang out in lymph nodes for long periods of time. It turns out they do, according to research published in Science Immunology. And this newly described population of memory-like Tregs could open new potential avenues for fine-tuning a person’s immune activity and reducing inflammation in chronic immune conditions.

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"...while most Tregs leave the structures post-infection, up to 20% can remain in the same lymph node for weeks to months. These ‘resident’ Tregs behaved differently from their circulating counterparts and resembled memory T cells found in other tissues."

The actual paper abstract:

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.adj5789?utm_source=sfmc&utm_medium=e...

"Regulatory T cells (Treg) are present in lymphoid and non-lymphoid tissues where they restrict immune activation, prevent autoimmunity and regulate inflammation. Treg in non-lymphoid tissues are typically resident, while those in lymph nodes (LNs) are considered to recirculate. However, Treg in LNs are not a homogenous population and circulation kinetics of different Treg subsets are poorly characterized. Furthermore, whether Treg can acquire memory T cell properties and persist for extended periods after their activation in LNs is unclear. Here, we used in situ labeling with a stabilized photoconvertible protein to uncover turnover rates of Treg in LNs in vivo. We found that while the majority of Treg in LNs recirculate, 10–20% are memory-like resident cells that remain in their respective LNs for weeks to months. Single cell RNA sequencing revealed that LN-resident cells are a functionally and ontogenetically heterogeneous population and share the same core residency gene signature with conventional CD4+ and CD8+ T cells. Resident cells in LNs did not actively proliferate and did not require continuous TCR signaling for their residency. Yet, resident and circulating Treg had distinct TCR repertoires, and each LN contained exclusive clonal subpopulations of resident Treg. Our results demonstrate that, similar to conventional T cells, Treg can form resident memory-like populations in LNs after adaptive immune responses. Specific and local suppression of immune responses by resident Treg in draining LNs might provide new therapeutic opportunities for the treatment of local chronic inflammatory conditions."

Comment: this sophisticated array of differentiated T cells with purposeful integration reeks of design. Not by the chance mutation of Darwin theory.

Immunity system complexity: controlling gut biome

by David Turell @, Wednesday, October 13, 2021, 18:51 (920 days ago) @ David Turell

IGA from gut immune cells control gut bacteria and keep them friendly:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-10-immune-intestinal-flora.html

"The bacteria living in the intestine consist of some 500 to 1000 different species. They make up what is known as the intestinal flora, which plays a key role in digestion and prevents infections. Unlike pathogens that invade from the outside, they are harmless and tolerated by the immune system. The way in which the human immune system manages to maintain this delicate balance in the intestine largely remains unknown. It is known that type A immunoglobulins, referred to as IgA antibodies, play an important role. These natural defense substances are part of the immune system, and recognize an exogenous pathogen very specifically according to the lock-and-key principle. (my bold)

***

"IgA antibodies are the most common antibodies in the human immune system, and are secreted by specialist cells in the mucous membranes. They account for two-thirds of human immunoglobulins. Surprisingly, most IgA antibodies produced by the body are directed against benign bacteria in the intestinal flora. Without this immune protection, these microorganisms could also have a detrimental effect on health and cause intestinal diseases. However, the mystery of the way in which IgA antibodies regulate the consensual coexistence in the intestine has remained unsolved.

***

"They succeeded in producing a sufficient amount of IgA antibodies specifically directed against a type of Escherichia coli bacteria, a typical intestinal bacterium. The antibodies recognized and bound a building block on the membrane of the microorganisms.

***

"The antibodies were found to affect the fitness of the bacteria in several ways. The mobility of bacteria was restricted, for example, or they hindered the uptake of sugar building blocks for the metabolism of the bacteria. The effect depended on the surface component that was specifically recognized. "This means that the immune system is apparently able to influence the benign intestinal bacteria through different approaches on a simultaneous basis", explains Hedda Wardemann of the German Cancer Research Center, co-author. The researchers therefore speak of IgA parallelism. (my bold)

***

***

"'our experiment shows that IgA antibodies can fine-tune the balance between the human organism and the intestinal flora,'"

Comment: read my bolds carefully. Bacteria let loose from the colon by a crack in the wall leads to severe peritonitis which kills quickly if not attacked by IV antibiotics. I read the word 'simultaneous' to indicate automaticity of the immune responses. Note the cells can quickly identify the gut bugs and handle them immediately. Newborns develop a gut biome immediately after birth with immediate inborn gut cell responses. No time to learn, just do it. This automaticity is medical text book teaching. The cells act intelligently because they are programmed that way. Sorry your pet theory doesn't fit this reality.

Immunity system complexity: how T c ells kill

by David Turell @, Thursday, October 14, 2021, 20:07 (919 days ago) @ David Turell

More of the mechanism unearthed:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-10-mito-warriors-scientists-cell-assassins.html

"Cytotoxic T cells are specialist white blood cells that are trained by our immune system to recognize and eliminate threats—including tumor cells and cells infected with invading viruses, such as SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.

***

"'Once a T cell has found its target, it binds to it and releases its toxic cargo. But what is particularly remarkable is that they are then able to go on to kill and kill again. Only now, thanks to state-of-the-art technologies, have we been able to find out how they reload their weapons."

"Today, in a study published in Science, the team have shown that the refueling of T cells' toxic weapons is regulated by mitochondria. Mitochondria are often referred to as a cell's batteries as they provide the energy that power their function. However, in this case the mitochondria use an entirely different mechanism to ensure the killer T cells have sufficient 'ammunition' to destroy their targets.

"Professor Griffiths added: "These assassins need to replenish their toxic payload so that they can keep on killing without damaging the T cells themselves. This careful balancing act turns out to be regulated by the mitochondria in T cells, which set the pace of killing according to how quickly they themselves can manufacture proteins. This enables killer T cells to stay healthy and keep on killing under challenging conditions when a prolonged response is required."

***

"When a T cell finds an infected cell or, in the case of the film, a cancer cell, membrane protrusions rapidly explore the surface of the cell, checking for tell-tale signs that this is an uninvited guest. The T cell binds to the cancer cell and injects poisonous 'cytotoxin' proteins down special pathways called microtubules to the interface between the T cell and the cancer cell, before puncturing the surface of the cancer cell and delivering its deadly cargo." (my bold)

Comment: The bold describes that the T cell knows non-self automatically and adds 'cytotoxic proteins' to kill. These specialized cells follow instructions activated in their DNA which makes them extremely specialized cells. The new antibody produced is then added to the library for future use.

Immunity system complexity: controlling gut biome

by David Turell @, Monday, February 28, 2022, 19:31 (782 days ago) @ David Turell

Specialized lymph cells are identified:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-02-discovery-innate-immunological-memory-intestine....

"Using an intestinal infection model, scientists from the Institut Pasteur and Inserm discovered that innate effector cells—group 3 innate lymphoid cells—act not only during the early stages of infection but can also be trained to develop an innate form of immunological memory that can protect the host during reinfection.

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"The gut mucosa harbors a complex defense system that allows it to combat pathogen infection while maintaining tolerance to commensal microbiota, which are essential for the normal bodily function. This constant surveillance is performed by the innate immune system, which provides early defense in the initial hours after infection. The adaptive immune system then develops a memory for the pathogens that it encounters by activating specific receptors expressed at the surface of B and T lymphocytes, thereby enabling the production of protective antibodies and inflammatory cytokines. Unlike the clearly established function of the adaptive system in long-term tolerance and protection, the role of the innate system in immune memory remains to be determined.

"In 2008, the team led by Inserm scientist James Di Santo (Innate Immunity Unit, Institut Pasteur/Inserm) described group 3 innate lymphoid cells (ILC3s) as a novel family of lymphocytes that were distinct from adaptive T and B lymphocytes. ILC3s play an essential role in the innate immune response, especially in the gut mucosa, by producing pro-inflammatory cytokines, such as interleukin (IL)-22. The cytokine release activates the production of antimicrobial peptides by epithelial cells, thereby reducing the bacterial load in order to maintain the integrity of the intestinal barrier.

"In this study, scientists from the Innate Immunity Unit (Institut Pasteur/Inserm) used an innovative protocol to expose the immune system to a time-restricted enterobacterial challenge based on Citrobacter rodentium (a mouse model of E. coli infection). They observed that ILC3s persist for several months in an activated state after exposure to C. rodentium. During a second infection, the "trained" ILC3s have a superior capacity to control infection through an enhanced proliferation and massive production of IL-22. "Our research demonstrates that intestinal ILC3s acquire a memory to strengthen gut mucosal defenses against repeated infections over time," explains Nicolas Serafini, first author of the study and an Inserm scientist in the Innate Immunity Unit (Institut Pasteur/Inserm)."

Comment: no surprise. All immune system cells develop a memorized library to fight again in the future, al automatic.

Immunity system complexity: B cell controls

by David Turell @, Thursday, September 23, 2021, 18:05 (940 days ago) @ dhw

They make new antibodies when stumulated:

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-09-antibody-producing-cells-predestined-fates.html

"During an infection or after a vaccination, mature B cells form germinal centers, a sort of pop-up training facility. There, the cells mutate and rearrange their antibody-encoding genes, until they either produce an improved antibody or die trying. The process is central to the body's responses to many pathogens, but it's also fraught with danger; poorly-placed B cell mutations can cause lymphoid cancers.

"'All of our cells have defense mechanisms against becoming mutated, but B cells actually do the opposite; they specialize in mutating, and they do it very fast," said co-senior author Dr. Ari Melnick, the Gebroe Family Professor of Hematology / Oncology and a member of the Sandra and Edward Meyer Cancer Center at Weill Cornell Medicine.

"Previous studies showed that B cells control their germinal center maturation by altering the accessibility of different parts of their genomes, and triggering cascades of gene expression changes to direct and limit their development. But what coordinates all of those signals?

***

"By developing new computational methods, the team was able to deconvolute the changes to identify OCT2 as the molecule that appeared to be at the root of the process.

"But the distribution of OCT2 in germinal centers was surprisingly similar to its distribution in mature B-cells prior to their activation. Probing B cells with new genomic and molecular tools in the lab, the researchers found OCT2 in immature B cells pre-positioned in the genome locations where it would later operate during the germinal center reaction. Another gene regulatory protein, OCA-B, triggers the genome locations marked by OCT2 to become active, turning them into "super-enhancers" that drive the rest of the B cell maturation regulatory network.

"'The destiny of the cell is predetermined in a way, so that if it gets the right signal, it will know how to create the germinal center B cell," said Dr. Melnick.

"The notion of cellular predestination—and the identification of a specific mechanism for it—may be the paper's most far-reaching discovery.

"'I think that's potentially a profound finding that could apply to many different transitions between cell types," said co-senior author Dr. Olivier Elemento, who is director of the Caryl and Israel Englander Institute for Precision Medicine and associate director of the HRH Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud Institute for Computational Biomedicine at Weill Cornell Medicine.

"During embryonic development, for example, a single cell divides and matures into all of the cells of a complete organism, following a series of branching decision points that may use similar mechanisms to mark super-enhancers for later activation."

Comment: These B cells are designed to act quickly, no actual thought involved. It is an irreducibly complex system designed all at once. It cannot be evolved by chance or step-by-step.

Immunity system complexity: trained reactions in non-immune

by David Turell @, Tuesday, July 27, 2021, 19:24 (998 days ago) @ David Turell

It is found that regular cells (not B or T)can be naturally trained to fight:

https://phys.org/news/2021-07-cells-inflammation.html

"When a tissue experiences inflammation, its cells remember. Pinning proteins to its genetic material at the height of inflammation, the cells bookmark where they left off in their last tussle. Next exposure, inflammatory memory kicks in. The cells draw from prior experience to respond more efficiently, even to threats that they have not encountered before. Skin heals a wound faster if it was previously exposed to an irritant, such as a toxin or pathogen; immune cells can attack new viruses after a vaccine has taught them to recognize just one virus.

"Now, a new study in Cell Stem Cell describes the mechanism behind inflammatory memory, also commonly referred to as trained immunity, and suggests that the phenomenon may be universal across diverse cell types.

***

"...there's a less specific strategy available to many cells, known as trained immunity. The impact is shorter-lived, but broader in scope. Trained immunity allows cells to respond to entirely new threats by drawing on general memories of inflammation.

"Scientists have long suspected that even cells that are not traditionally involved in the immune response have the rudimentary ability to remember prior insults and learn from experience. The Fuchs lab drove this point home in a 2017 study published in Nature by demonstrating that mouse skin that had recovered from irritation healed 2.5 times faster than normal skin when exposed to irritation at a later date.

***

"They observed about 50,000 regions within the DNA of the stem cells that had unraveled to respond to the threat, but a few months later only about 1,000 remained open and accessible, distinguishing themselves as memory domains. Interestingly, many of these memory domains were the same regions that had unraveled most prodigiously in the early days of skin inflammation.

"The scientists dug deeper and discovered a two-step mechanism at the heart of trained immunity. The process revolves around transcription factors, proteins which govern the expression of genes, and hinges on the twin transcription factors known as JUN and FOS.

"The stimulus-specific STAT3 transcription factor responds first, deployed to coordinate a genetic response to a particular genre of inflammation. This protein hands the baton to JUN-FOS, which perches on the unspooled genetic material to join the melee. The specific transcription factor that sounded the original alarm will eventually return home; FOS will float away as the tumult quiets down. But JUN stands sentinel, guarding the open memory domain with a ragtag band of other transcription factors, waiting for its next battle.

"When irritation strikes again, JUN is ready. It rapidly recruits FOS back to the memory domain, and the duo charges into the fray. This time, no specific transcription factor is necessary to respond to a particular type of inflammation and get the ball rolling. The system unilaterally activates in response to virtually any stress—alacrity that may not always benefit the rest of the body."

Comment: Another layer of protection that helps us fight pathogens and injuries. We are born with some general protective agents, but our bodies have several types of cells that are designed to learn about new pathogens, and produce specific antibodies. In this case immunity is trained at a level that helps fight the bugs and repair wounds with general cells.

Immunity system complexity: red cells are a part of it

by David Turell @, Thursday, October 21, 2021, 16:13 (912 days ago) @ David Turell

New discovery:

https://www.science.org/content/article/red-blood-cells-may-be-immune-sentinels?utm_cam...

"According to new findings that would dramatically expand their roles, red blood cells snare suspect DNA from microbial invaders or damaged tissue and warn the immune system of danger.

***

"In a 2018 study, Mangalmurti’s team found a clue. The researchers determined that red blood cells harbor a type of molecular sensor, known as toll-like receptor 9 (TLR9), that recognizes and sticks to DNA molecules containing pairs of the nucleotide bases cytosine and guanine. Damaged human cells release such DNA, and the DNA of bacteria and other pathogens is also rich with these cytosine-guanine duos, or CpG motifs. They incite a strong immune system reaction that researchers ascribed primarily to white blood cells, which also sport TLR9.

"But Mangalmurti and colleagues’ latest research, published this week in Science Translational Medicine, suggests red cells take part as well. In the test tube, the researchers traced what happens when human red cells latch onto CpG-containing DNA. Small amounts of the DNA didn’t appear to affect the cells, but larger amounts caused them to scrunch up, suggesting they were responding to the stimulus.

***

“'We can now say that red blood cells have an immune function” in humans and other mammals, Mangalmurti says. Most of the time, she suggests, the cells serve as janitors for normal cleanup duties, sweeping up potentially harmful DNA that leaks into the circulation from the many body cells that die every day. But during an infection or after an injury, this DNA may flood the bloodstream. The red blood cells then sacrifice themselves by encouraging macrophages to eat them, alert the immune system, and trigger inflammation. If macrophages consume too many red blood cells, however, anemia may result."

Comment: Ever more complexity in the design. Not by chance.

Immunity system complexity: viruses fight our immunity

by David Turell @, Wednesday, October 26, 2022, 00:08 (542 days ago) @ David Turell

A study in bacteria and their phage fights:

https://phys.org/news/2022-10-viruses-outwit-cellular-immune.html

"...that individual bacterial cells possess their own autonomous, innate immune system that can identify, locate and deal with intruders.

***

"Previous research at Sorek's lab had shown that an immune protein segment called TIR is the one in charge of identifying a phage invasion and that once a phage is detected, the TIR produces a mysterious signal molecule that triggers the immune response. The TIR segment was initially discovered in the immune systems of plants and animals, but Sorek's group was able to demonstrate that a similar mechanism exists in bacteria. Still, the mystery signal molecule remained undetected.

"This time around, Sorek's team found how phages can overcome TIR immunity. When studying a group of very similar phages, they were surprised to discover that while TIR immunity did provide protection against some of them, others proved victorious and managed to kill the bacteria. Looking into the victorious phages, the team found that they contain a special gene, one encoding a protein that neutralizes TIR immunity, thus allowing the phage to gain the upper hand.

"When the scientists examined the protein, now dubbed Tad1, they found that it captures the signaling molecule immediately after it is produced by the TIR protein. "It was as if the protein quickly swallowed the molecule, not letting the immune system get even a glimpse of it," Sorek says. "This kind of immune evasion mechanism was never seen in any known virus."

"The group then realized that if the molecule is locked inside the phage protein, they might be able to "see" it by looking within the structure of the protein. Together with their collaborators from Harvard, Prof. Philip Kranzusch and Allen Lu, the team was able, via crystallography, to determine the spatial structure and chemical composition of the molecule.

"'We have sought this mysterious immune molecule for several years now," muses Sorek. "Ironically, we couldn't have found it without an assist from the phage."

"'We discovered a new way in which viruses can deactivate immune systems that rely on signaling molecules," says Sorek. "These immune systems aren't exclusive to bacteria—they exist in the cells of plants and human beings."

"Understanding how phages are able to adapt and evolve could help us fare better against the bacterial immune system by identifying the same mechanisms in the cellular structure of the viruses that trouble us. "We will not be surprised if viruses that infect our body use the exact same mechanism as the Tad1 we found in phages," Sorek says."

Comment: knowing the molecular structure may allow a therapeutic approach.

Immunity system complexity: viruses fight bat immunity

by David Turell @, Thursday, November 24, 2022, 17:17 (513 days ago) @ David Turell

Bats have duplicted a gene in the fight:

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/duplicated-gene-helps-bats-survive-arms-race...

"Bats are highly unusual creatures...as probes into the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic emphasize, they can harbor myriad viruses that are dangerous or fatal to other mammals without getting sick themselves.

"According to research published today (November 23) in Science Advances, bats’ ability to survive as so-called viral reservoirs may stem in part from unique mutations, including the duplication of the gene encoding an antiviral protein called protein kinase R (PKR). That second copy stems from an ongoing evolutionary “arms race,” according to the study, resulting in bats’ adaptation to and seeming immunity from a wide range of viruses over the course of their evolutionary history.

“'The biggest surprise to me is the extra copies of PKR in the genomes of some bat species,” study coauthor Nels Elde, a geneticist at the University of Utah and the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, tells The Scientist over email. “Even cooler is the new evidence that these copies diverge and can become less vulnerable to virus-encoded inhibitors of PKR. It looks like two PKRs can be better than one.”

***

"With that genomic data in hand, the researchers found that the gene EIF2AK2, which encodes PKR, rapidly evolved and underwent at least one duplication event early enough in bats’ evolutionary history that the extra copy was present in every species they sampled. Some species had more than two copies of EIF2AK2; or closely related sequences, they found, many of which encoded paralogs of PKR and share its primary function as a frontline defense against viral invaders that blocks the translation of viral DNA and RNA. Comparing these sequences to those of humans, mice (Mus musculus), cows (Bos taurus), and dogs (Canis lupus familiaris), the team found that PKR duplication is indeed unique to bats.

***

"To test the function of bats’ multiplicity of PKRs, the researchers gene-edited yeast to produce various bat PKRs or its orthologs, then exposed the cells to known kinase antagonists taken from bat-infecting viruses, including poxviruses, herpesviruses, and orthomyxoviruses. They found that PKR deploys an array of mechanisms to combat various viruses, suggesting that over time, viruses evolved to counteract bats’ existing defense mechanisms, and bats evolved new-and-improved PKRs in response. Alexa Sadier, a University of California, Los Angeles, evolutionary developmental biologist who didn’t work on the study, explains that this finding is a clear-cut example of the Red Queen hypothesis, named after a character in Alice in Wonderland, which posits that a sort of evolutionary arms race occurs between predators and prey, or in this case viruses and their host, in which the selective pressure imposed by an adaptation in one imposes new pressures—and adaptations—in the other. “The host will adapt and the virus will adapt,” she says. “This is really aligned with what we know.”

"'Functionally, having multiple copies of the gene allowed the extras to diverge and produce proteins that are more resistant to viral inhibitors, Elde says. “Almost like a game of evolutionary hot potato where if the virus blocks one copy of PKR, the other one might be more active during infections. If the virus blocks the other, the original copy of PKR might be more effective'.”

Comment: presented to illustrate the power of immune systems in all organisms

Immunity system complexity: viruses fight with CRISPR

by David Turell @, Thursday, November 24, 2022, 19:48 (513 days ago) @ David Turell

They have these tools, perhaps stolen from bacteria:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-03837-8?utm_source=Nature+Briefing&utm_c...


"A systematic sweep of viral genomes has revealed a trove of potential CRISPR-based genome-editing tools.

"CRISPR–Cas systems are common in the microbial world of bacteria and archaea, where they often help cells to fend off viruses. But an analysis1 published on 23 November in Cell finds CRISPR–Cas systems in 0.4% of publicly available genome sequences from viruses that can infect these microbes. Researchers think that the viruses use CRISPR–Cas to compete with one another — and potentially to manipulate gene activity in their host to their advantage.

"Some of these viral systems were capable of editing plant and mammalian genomes, and possess features — such as a compact structure and efficient editing — that could make them useful in the laboratory.

“'This is a significant step forward in the discovery of the enormous diversity of CRISPR–Cas systems,” says computational biologist Kira Makarova at the US National Center for Biotechnology Information in Bethesda, Maryland. “There is a lot of novelty discovered here.”

"Although best known as a tool used to alter genomes in the laboratory, CRISPR–Cas can function in nature as a rudimentary immune system. About 40% of sampled bacteria and 85% of sampled archaea have CRISPR–Cas systems. Often, these microbes can capture pieces of an invading virus’s genome, and store the sequences in a region of their own genome, called a CRISPR array. CRISPR arrays then serve as templates to generate RNAs that direct CRISPR-associated (Cas) enzymes to cut the corresponding DNA. This can allow microbes carrying the array to slice up the viral genome and potentially stop viral infections.

"Viruses sometimes pick up snippets of their hosts’ genomes, and researchers had previously found isolated examples of CRISPR–Cas in viral genomes. If those stolen bits of DNA give the virus a competitive advantage, they could be retained and gradually modified to better serve the viral lifestyle. For example, a virus that infects the bacterium Vibrio cholera uses CRISPR–Cas to slice up and disable DNA in the bacterium that encodes antiviral defences

'Jillian Banfield at the University of California, Berkeley, and their colleagues decided to do a more comprehensive search for CRISPR–Cas systems in viruses that infect bacteria and archaea, known as phages. To their surprise, they found about 6,000 of them, including representatives of every known type of CRISPR–Cas system. “Evidence would suggest that these are systems that are useful to phages,” says Doudna.

"The team found a wide range of variations on the usual CRISPR–Cas structure, with some systems missing components and others unusually compact. “Even if phage-encoded CRISPR–Cas systems are rare, they are highly diverse and widely distributed,” says Anne Chevallereau, who studies phage ecology and evolution at the French National Centre for Scientific Research in Paris. “Nature is full of surprisees."

Comment: no surprise in the dog-eat-dog world CRISPR is everywhere.

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