?Predictable evolution (Introduction)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 15:14 (4085 days ago)

A new study of three types of bacteria in the lab followed mutational changes. The changes followed a similar pattern in all the species. In miind mind it raises the issue of the flow of evolution being designed. What do you think?:-http://phys.org/news/2013-02-evolution.html

?Predictable evolution

by David Turell @, Wednesday, February 20, 2013, 19:43 (4085 days ago) @ David Turell

A new study of three types of bacteria in the lab followed mutational changes. The changes followed a similar pattern in all the species. In my mind it raises the issue of the flow of evolution being designed. What do you think?:
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> http://phys.org/news/2013-02-evolution.html-Another version of the same story:-http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=predictable-evolution-trumps-randomness-of-mutations&WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20130220

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by dhw, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 16:20 (4084 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: A new study of three types of bacteria in the lab followed mutational changes. The changes followed a similar pattern in all the species. In my mind it raises the issue of the flow of evolution being designed. What do you think?
http://phys.org/news/2013-02-evolution.html-Another version of the same story:-http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=predictable-evolution-trumps-randomnes...-HEADLINE: Predictable Evolution Trumps Randomness of Mutations 
Separate bacteria populations may respond to environmental changes in identical ways-"Although mutations, the driver of evolution, occur at random, a study of the bacterium Escherichia coli reveals that nature often finds the same solution to the same problem again and again.-Over time, random mutations enable organisms to adapt and diversify, often when geographically separated groups of the same species grow better suited to their local environment and less like members of the other group."-The authors don't seem to realize just how illogical this is, because everyone has become so used to the assumption that mutations are random. If organisms come up with the same solution, the mutations clearly aren't random! And how can random mutations enable an organism to adapt? Adaptation is not a matter of chance! And how do the authors think separated groups "grow better suited to their local environment"? There has to be a mechanism that innovates, adapts, comes up with solutions, makes organisms "better suited". The only possible explanation is some form of intelligence within the organisms themselves, i.e. what we have called the inventive, "intelligent" genome. How the intelligence got there is a separate issue. What these researchers are investigating is how evolution works, and they still cling to randomness as "the driver", even though their findings contradict their basic premise!

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by David Turell @, Thursday, February 21, 2013, 17:42 (4084 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: What these researchers are investigating is how evolution works, and they still cling to randomness as "the driver", even though their findings contradict their basic premise!-I post these reports because of the contradictory reasoning. The group think in the Darwin scientist research groups is appalling and completely non- scientific. None of this will prove how life started or even how evolution created species. Wasted grant money. Too much money available to the hare-brained.

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by George Jelliss ⌂ @, Crewe, Monday, February 25, 2013, 16:25 (4080 days ago) @ David Turell

I just came across this notice via twitter: -http://histoiresante.blogspot.ca/2013/02/histoire-des-theories-de-levolution.html-I'm not sure that it is quite relevant to this thread, but it is about the "History of Theories of Evolution" in the twentieth century. Note. not about "History of The Theory of Evolution". How far does a new theory have to differ from Darwin before it becomes a different theory of evolution? -I suppose one could give as examples, the BioLogos theory of Homo Divinis, or the Alister Hardy theory of the Aquatic Ape. But the conference is apparently concerned with Spanish Catholic versions!

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by dhw, Monday, February 25, 2013, 18:30 (4080 days ago) @ George Jelliss

GEORGE: I just came across this notice via twitter: 
 
http://histoiresante.blogspot.ca/2013/02/histoire-des-theories-de-levolution.html-I'm not sure that it is quite relevant to this thread, but it is about the "History of Theories of Evolution" in the twentieth century. Note. not about "History of The Theory of Evolution". How far does a new theory have to differ from Darwin before it becomes a different theory of evolution? -I suppose one could give as examples, the BioLogos theory of Homo Divinis, or the Alister Hardy theory of the Aquatic Ape. But the conference is apparently concerned with Spanish Catholic versions!-Thanks for this, George. I think your response may have struck a general chord. There is not a single comment or message at the end, and the deadline for submissions is the day after tomorrow. Could be an exciting conference!

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