Start Reading The Bible And Pray (Introduction)
It will do you and your soul GOOD! Have faith ye of little faith!
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Sister Elenore urges us to start reading the Bible and pray, and to have faith. - Welcome to the website. I'm sure your knowledge of the Bible is far greater than mine, but I find little comfort in such episodes as the indiscriminate destruction of humankind (Noah's Flood), of Sodom & Gomorrah, of innocent Egyptians (because the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart), or in John's assurance (3, 18-20) that all non-Christians are condemned. Some Christian correspondents have urged us not to take the Bible too literally, and I wonder whether your own approach is literal or selective. - You are right, I'm sure, that faith does the soul good. But for those of us who don't have your faith, it's difficult to find evidence of the existence/presence/benevolence of God in a world so full of random and indiscriminate suffering. It would be interesting to know how you cope with this problem.
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have you given it a try? Do you realize that the Old Testament is not full of these horrors that you speak of - Yet only contain a message of love? - You cite the destruction of Sodam and Gohmorah, a town full of not one single good person. - These people you would keep? - or did God just decide not to take them when they died? - The Answers are there my friend. - Read the book with open eyes and heart and you will feel the love.
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by Joseph Liebowitz 
, Sunday, February 15, 2009, 17:18 (5556 days ago) @ The Lord is my Shepard
Dear Goyim, Always remember the sacrifice our father Abraham made when he offered up Isaac unto the Lord. God's chosen people have survived thousands of years of persecution, you must believe that it is divine intervention and not coincidence. The holocaust was a horrible thing, never forget. Shalom.
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by BBella , Sunday, February 15, 2009, 19:03 (5556 days ago) @ The Lord is my Shepard
edited by unknown, Sunday, February 15, 2009, 19:11
You cite the destruction of Sodam and Gohmorah, a town full of not one single good person. > > These people you would keep? - The "good" called for the destruction of S&G, Sadaam and his family, for the Palestinians and their families, for the Jews and their families, Al-Queda and their families, the blacks and their families, the whites and their families, the reds and their families, the yellows and their families, the gays and their families, etc. Someone good is always calling for someone bad to be destroyed. Obviously only the "good" ones should have the privilege to live and to choose who the bad ones are to be destroyed. It's a human trait we can blame being handed down to us from the gods. - Will mankind ever rise above the childishness of their own chosen gods? Our species may rely on it as the good continue to call for the destruction of the bad until there is no one left, no, not one.
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BBella Babe You make no sense. your incoherent ramblings and comdenation are freightning. The way you post reminds me of much the way Joseph Stalin would try and inspire the people. I did not choose to follow God as you put it, I just made the right choice and it is the right choice for you too if you would just take the blinders off and open your heart - May God Bless you
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Let's not forget the atheist Hitler, how Godlessness led him to massacre Jews.
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by Mattie , Saturday, February 21, 2009, 02:17 (5550 days ago) @ Joseph Liebowitz
If you do your research, you will find that Hitler was a Roman Catholic, at least raised as a Roman Catholic. Hitler often spoke of God and his belief in God. Christian's try very hard to associate him with atheism, because they otherwise can't explain his actions. Maybe if he was an atheist, did Catholicism turn him into one? Even if he was an atheist, do you really credit his lack of believing in a god for his insanity. There have been plenty of insane homicical maniacs that believed in God. If you believe in the God that most Christian's believe in, then you must believe that Hitler was God's creation. Doesn't your God have a plan, and wouldn't Hitler also be a part of it? By the way this is a site for agnostics, not atheist, and not religious zealots.
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Mattie has, in my view quite rightly, pointed out to Joseph Liebowitz that the Holocaust had nothing to do with religion or lack of it, and that atrocities have been committed by people of all persuasions. - However, Mattie also says that this is a site for agnostics, not atheists and not religious zealots. I would prefer to regard it as a site for open discussion, and I personally have derived immense benefit from the exchanges with the atheist George, the Christian Mark, the panentheist David, and a number of others who have put their arguments rationally and politely. For me it's a hallmark of agnosticism to be open-minded and to consider all points of view, so I welcome the diversity. But I am with you in rejecting the aggression, intolerance and downright rudeness that we have seen from certain fundamentalists.
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by Mattie , Thursday, February 26, 2009, 00:26 (5546 days ago) @ dhw
I apologize if anyone misunderstood my comments about atheist and religious fundamentalists. It seemed odd that JL mentions Hitler and atheism in response to questioning an existance of a creator; I felt that he was implying that our questioning or having a discussion classified those questing as an atheist. I was just stating that he was on the wrong site if he was trying to reach atheist, or he must be confused by the definition. I become extremely defensive when religious fundamentalists attack a well meaning open discussion, and am far more offended when someone questions ones moral values because they are different from theirs. I agree and I am thankful that this site welcomes open discussions and does not discourage the participation from any individual. My apologies for not making myself more clear, and I apolgize if I offended anyone by previous comments.
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by David Turell , Thursday, February 26, 2009, 00:58 (5545 days ago) @ Mattie
I apologize if anyone misunderstood my comments about atheist and religious fundamentalists. - I thought your response was quite reasonable. We don't need fundamentalist exhortations to repent. This group is undoubtedly more knowledgeable about the issues surrounding God, the Bible, and alternate belief systems than the interlopers that appeared, and left permanently, I hope.
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by John Clinch , Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 16:36 (5525 days ago) @ Sister Elenore
Amen to that! - I need hardly remind Mr Leibowitz, who I assume to be a Jewish gentleman, that it was baptised Christians who herded Jews into the gas chambers - many of whom, Sister Elenore, would have read their Bibles and prayed. This was something, I'm afraid, that had nothing to do with Hitler's supposed Godlessness and everything to do with the Old Hatred. - (Read "Godless Morality" by ex-bishop Richard Holloway if you need convincing of the futility of basing morality on God.) - A point, incidentally, that that (the ex-Hitler youth) Benedict XVI would be advised to remember. - The Old Hatred, of course, stemmed from a religious difference over the Jewish prophet, Jesus of Nazareth.