Our Brains are Constructed Randomly (Origins)

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Thursday, September 20, 2012, 00:39 (4230 days ago)

http://actu.epfl.ch/news/blue-brain-project-accurately-predicts-connections/-Using an algorithm that is randomly seeded, a simulation predicts neural connections with 95% accuracy.-This mathematical model will greatly ease the effort to replicate brain-architecture.-The philosophical ramifications are interesting.

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Our Brains are Constructed Randomly

by David Turell @, Thursday, September 20, 2012, 01:43 (4230 days ago) @ xeno6696

http://actu.epfl.ch/news/blue-brain-project-accurately-predicts-connections/
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> Using an algorithm that is randomly seeded, a simulation predicts neural connections with 95% accuracy.
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> The philosophical ramifications are interesting.-What I get out of the article is the independence of the neuron must be the contributing factor to the amazing plasticity of the brain

Our Brains are Constructed Randomly

by xeno6696 @, Sonoran Desert, Thursday, September 20, 2012, 12:47 (4229 days ago) @ David Turell

http://actu.epfl.ch/news/blue-brain-project-accurately-predicts-connections/
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> > Using an algorithm that is randomly seeded, a simulation predicts neural connections with 95% accuracy.
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> > The philosophical ramifications are interesting.
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> What I get out of the article is the independence of the neuron must be the contributing factor to the amazing plasticity of the brain-The key factor is that we can model the brain's construction via a random process. You can get what you want out of it, but if we can predict whether two neurons will be connected by a random roll of the dice--and we can now--that means that something as complex as the brain *can* be constructed via random processes.

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

Our Brains are Constructed Randomly

by David Turell @, Thursday, September 20, 2012, 16:23 (4229 days ago) @ xeno6696


> > > The philosophical ramifications are interesting.
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> > What I get out of the article is the independence of the neuron must be the contributing factor to the amazing plasticity of the brain
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> The key factor is that we can model the brain's construction via a random process. You can get what you want out of it, but if we can predict whether two neurons will be connected by a random roll of the dice--and we can now--that means that something as complex as the brain *can* be constructed via random processes.-Fascinating, but the parallelism does not tell us why our big brain developed. It does tell us that an algorithm may have been used or applied in the process.

Our Brains are Constructed Randomly

by David Turell @, Thursday, September 20, 2012, 18:42 (4229 days ago) @ David Turell


> > > > The philosophical ramifications are interesting.
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> > > What I get out of the article is the independence of the neuron must be the contributing factor to the amazing plasticity of the brain
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> > The key factor is that we can model the brain's construction via a random process. You can get what you want out of it, but if we can predict whether two neurons will be connected by a random roll of the dice--and we can now--that means that something as complex as the brain *can* be constructed via random processes.
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> Fascinating, but the parallelism does not tell us why our big brain developed. It does tell us that an algorithm may have been used or applied in the process.-Another blog casts doubt on the initial study. The brain is extremely complex and neurophysiology must account for brain metabolism which certainly has an effect on connections and consciousness:-http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/2012/09/19/modular-complexity-and-reverse-engineering-the-brain/

Our Brains are Constructed Randomly

by dhw, Friday, September 21, 2012, 20:03 (4228 days ago) @ xeno6696

MATT: The key factor is that we can model the brain's construction via a random process. You can get what you want out of it, but if we can predict whether two neurons will be connected by a random roll of the dice--and we can now--that means that something as complex as the brain *can* be constructed via random processes.-As is so often the case, different readers get different messages from the same text. As I understood it, the project does not tell us that the brain can be constructed via random processes. Its focus is on how the brain functions (perhaps with a view to deliberately creating a working model).-Quote: The goal of the BBP is to integrate knowledge from all the specialised branches of neuroscience, to derive from it the fundamental principles that govern brain structure and function, and ultimately, to reconstruct the brains of different species ... including the human brain ... in silico.-Quote: The results provide important insights into the basic principles that govern the wiring of the nervous system, throwing light on how robust cortical circuits are constructed from highly diverse populations of neurons ... an essential step towards understanding how the brain functions. They also underscore the value of the BBP's constructivist approach. "Although systematically integrating data across a wide range of scales is slow and painstaking, it allows us to derive fundamental principles of brain structure and hence function," explains Hill.-At the risk of being a megabore, let me put in the pennyworth that constantly seems to be left out of these discussions. We all know that the brain functions by way of millions of connections. Neuroscientists are busily investigating how this happens. No-one denies that it does happen. If we use the analogy of a machine, this particular machine works, but is so complex that it may require decades of research to find out how. But that is not the ultimate mystery. The ultimate mystery is what operates the machine. When "I" decide to search my memory, to solve a puzzle, to decide between A and B, what is the force that sets the connecting parts of the machine in motion and then chooses which areas to bring into play?

Our Brains are Constructed Randomly

by David Turell @, Friday, September 21, 2012, 20:07 (4228 days ago) @ dhw

But that is not the ultimate mystery. The ultimate mystery is what operates the machine. When "I" decide to search my memory, to solve a puzzle, to decide between A and B, what is the force that sets the connecting parts of the machine in motion and then chooses which areas to bring into play?-Great question. You are again asking how does consciousness really work.

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