James Shapiro: DNA with multiple messages (Introduction)
by David Turell , Thursday, January 26, 2012, 02:13 (4664 days ago)
Another strange finding. Segments that can code in several diffrent ways!-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-a-shapiro/dna-as-poetry-multiple-me_b_1229190.html-How did this evolve and why
James Shapiro: DNA with multiple messages
by David Turell , Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 15:58 (4658 days ago) @ David Turell
A new study of reduplication, reminds of Shapiro:-http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-01-evolution-divergence-duplicate-genes.html-And another review of Shapiro's book, rather friendly:-http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/01/24/gbe.evs008.full.pdf+html
James Shapiro: DNA with multiple messages
by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, February 06, 2012, 01:49 (4653 days ago) @ David Turell
Another strange finding. Segments that can code in several diffrent ways! > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-a-shapiro/dna-as-poetry-multiple-me_b_1229190.html&... > How did this evolve and why-You've always seemed to me to argue that... well, since you think you need to answer questions before you die, that you need to make a decision.-This article to me, underlines the point that you need to try and live long enough for mathematicians to explain this one for you... because this smacks entirely of function mapping to THIS reader...
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James Shapiro: Natural genetic engineering
by David Turell , Friday, March 01, 2013, 23:00 (4263 days ago) @ David Turell
How much self-control cells have in response to changes:-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-a-shapiro/what-natural-genetic-engi_b_2783419.html -If experiments show that cells can make distinct appropriate NGE responses to different adaptive challenges occurs, we need to figure out how they do so. This almost certainly would prove to be more than a strictly mechanical process. How do cells carry out their computations to make useful goal-oriented responses? A successful answer to that question will certainly involve cybernetics. If such investigations take evolution science into areas that are more than strictly material, so be it. As long as we stay within the realm of natural processes, there are no boundaries on what science can address.-Is he saying that consciousness might play a role? Consciousness exists and is a proper place for science to play, even if not material
James Shapiro: Natural genetic engineering
by David Turell , Thursday, September 01, 2016, 04:53 (2984 days ago) @ David Turell
Shapiro thinks cells think. Is this panpsychism? This article tends to accept it:-http://www.thestranger.com/slog/2016/08/23/24492279/what-the-white-mans-fly-tells-us-about-intelligent-design-"The thing I better grasped when reading for the third time James Shapiro's difficult but stimulating little book Evolution: A View from the 21st Century is that life is profoundly intelligent. Meaning, intelligence is not only found in the heads of humans, but also in the roots and leaves of trees, and the movements of microorganisms, and even the inner workings or the most basic units of life. One can go as far as to say that the key feature of life is conscious action. Put another way: life always makes decisions. And not just life as a form, but also its processes. "Life requires cognition at all levels," writes Shapiro. "The biology of our times, which, according Shapiro, is being forced to abandon a mechanistic and gradualist concept of evolutionary development and innovation for an informatics one, is reviving and even making respectable a branch of philosophy that gets almost no respect from philosophers, panpsychism, the idea that everything in the universe thinks. And it's not so much that mind is everywhere and every thing (strong panpsychism) but that thinking, like transparency, or hardness is one of the possible properties of matter (this idea is clearly worded in Addy Pross' What is Life?: How Chemistry Becomes Biology). Matter does not think, in the way matter does not see; but it can conduct thinking or transmit sun rays for the purposes of life. -"Shapiro does not use the term panpsychism, but he does describe processes such as proofreading for DNA replication as thoughtful. These systems are very aware of what they are doing, and it could not be otherwise. But the reason why there is resistance to the obvious and tested facts of life's profound intelligence is because it risks confusing science with the ideas of those who want to bring the supernatural into the natural by way of intelligent design (ID). But there is a very important distinction between recognizing the intelligence of life and speculating on an intelligence that has designed life. The first operates in life (immanent); the second operates in a place that's not only outside of life but nature as we understand it (transcendental). If there is an intelligent designer, then it must be some kind of living form, and therefore something in life, and sharing all of the characteristics of a living entity. Only life designs things. To have a design is to have a goal in life. What exists is goal-oriented: we must eat, must fuck, must make copies of ourselves. -***-"The honeybees (which, by the way, are not native to North America—they were brought here by Europeans and, as Bergmann explains, were called by some Native Americans the "white man's fly") are built into this kind of design; they are "trucked to a location, brought in to pollinate, then removed again." The intelligence behind this activity is certainly human, which has captured the intelligence of honeybees, which serves another purpose. And what humans want out of the arrangement is food that has a use value that can be exchanged on the world-connected market for money, which is a form of social power, a power that satisfies a wide variety of human wants. -***-"We are in the design of, yes, an alien, but an alien that is, no matter how distant from Earth, in life; it is an alien that has needs (wants its belly full, wants to get laid, wants to live long), and is using us to satisfy them. Intelligent design could only be this and nothing else. When we speak of consciousness, we speak only of the living. And that is what separates science from the nonsense of ID."-Comment: I don't know why a designer must be living with us, but I thought this is a view I should present. Is Shapiro a panpsychic fellow? I'm not sure.