The Postulation of a Designer (The nature of a \'Creator\')

by Peter P, Friday, February 08, 2008, 13:24 (6132 days ago) @ George Jelliss

Setting up a thread under The Postulation of a Designer is a silly ploy. Someone says to you that he's not convinced by the chance theory, and you respond by pretending he's postulating intelligent design. Then you say yah boo (in your case, "Just like that!" sheer Magic?). I'm an agnostic, which means I don't know if God exists or not, and I don't know how life orginated. I'm not postulating anything. Your the one who is postulating: 1) that life originated in a "step-by-step process" through the "usual p[hysical and chemical forces"; 2] that belief in a designer is "not worth considering". Let's look at what you have to say then. - You say "life originated by accident" is not an accurate précis of your belief. You believe it was a step-by-step process, "probably including some accidents". Ah, so a step-by-step process including accidents doesn't count as accident. "Probably", though. So what's the alternative, if there were no accidents? - "The process above described"..."the natural processes outlined above". You haven't described or outlined any processes. You've just said the usual physical and chemical processes. But you don't need to give us a description or an outline ... there are loads of websites that do. Except that the only thing the abiogeniuses seem to agree on is that none of their theories actually work. Some of them think that eventually their theory might work. Some of them even think that none of the theories will work without a guiding, designing hand. If its all so simple and natural, why on earth can't the experts agree? Why can't they work it out? Why can't they emulate it? Why so many different theories with so many different faults in them? - But if you believe in something that hasn't been proved or e4ven come remotely near being proved, that's entirely your affair. What gets my goat is your ridicule of other people's beliefs. "How exactly this designer acted is unclear" you say. I agree. I'll say that again. I agree. Now tell me how exactly all the bits and pieces happened to come together. There's not a scientist on earth who can tell us. Maybe there never will be. That's why I'm an agnostic, and I get cheesed off with bigotry, whether it's theist or atheist.