Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind (Origins)
by xeno6696 
, Sonoran Desert, Thursday, May 05, 2011, 23:17 (4949 days ago)
http://news.discovery.com/space/super-civilizations-might-live-off-black-holes-110430.html
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"
Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind
by David Turell , Friday, May 06, 2011, 03:16 (4949 days ago) @ xeno6696
http://news.discovery.com/space/super-civilizations-might-live-off-black-holes-110430.h... more fanciful than declaring there are multiverses. Brian Greene's new book (The Hidden Reality) is discussed here. It is a reasonable proposal that states such a theory should be considered, since much of the theoretical math leads there. But he is quite clear in his view that it is all speculation and 'not science' at this point, and it may never be proveable:-http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/indepth/45854
Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind
by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Friday, May 06, 2011, 04:15 (4949 days ago) @ David Turell
http://news.discovery.com/space/super-civilizations-might-live-off-black-holes-110430.h... > No more fanciful than declaring there are multiverses. Brian Greene's new book (The Hidden Reality) is discussed here. It is a reasonable proposal that states such a theory should be considered, since much of the theoretical math leads there. But he is quite clear in his view that it is all speculation and 'not science' at this point, and it may never be proveable: > > http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/indepth/45854-You know I'm not a huge fan of ST...-but knowing that artificial gravity signatures would indicate intelligent life is a tantalizing prospect, and fermilab studies this...
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"
Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind
by George Jelliss 
, Crewe, Monday, May 09, 2011, 21:15 (4945 days ago) @ David Turell
Why Intelligent Design is stupid-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEl9kVl6KPc&feature=youtube_gdata_player-by Neil deGrasse Tyson-This is not strictly in response to this thread, but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread with ID in the title.
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GPJ
Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind
by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, May 09, 2011, 21:37 (4945 days ago) @ George Jelliss
Why Intelligent Design is stupid > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEl9kVl6KPc&feature=youtube_gdata_player &am... > by Neil deGrasse Tyson > > This is not strictly in response to this thread, but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread with ID in the title.-That works great for traditional Christian/Muslim/Jewish ideas for "Intelligent Design" but it doesn't account for deistic (as in deism) or maltheistic approaches. Though one would ask what the point would be in worshipping either of those kinds of Gods...
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"
Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind
by David Turell , Monday, May 09, 2011, 22:52 (4945 days ago) @ xeno6696
Why Intelligent Design is stupid > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEl9kVl6KPc&feature=youtube_gdata_player &am... > > > by Neil deGrasse Tyson > > > > This is not strictly in response to this thread, but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread with ID in the title. > > That works great for traditional Christian/Muslim/Jewish ideas for "Intelligent Design" but it doesn't account for deistic (as in deism) or maltheistic approaches. Though one would ask what the point would be in worshipping either of those kinds of Gods...-That is why my 'third way' is so comfortable. God is not what religions describe, or atheists attack. A universal mind may not have beneficence, may or may not be all-knowing, or 100% in total control. Yet whatever created the universe and then life, used information and laws, as a universal intelligence would obviously have to use to create.
Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind
by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, May 09, 2011, 23:28 (4945 days ago) @ David Turell
Why Intelligent Design is stupid > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEl9kVl6KPc&feature=youtube_gdata_player &am... > > > > > by Neil deGrasse Tyson > > > > > > This is not strictly in response to this thread, but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread with ID in the title. > > > > That works great for traditional Christian/Muslim/Jewish ideas for "Intelligent Design" but it doesn't account for deistic (as in deism) or maltheistic approaches. Though one would ask what the point would be in worshipping either of those kinds of Gods... > > That is why my 'third way' is so comfortable. God is not what religions describe, or atheists attack. A universal mind may not have beneficence, may or may not be all-knowing, or 100% in total control. Yet whatever created the universe and then life, used information and laws, as a universal intelligence would obviously have to use to create.-And I've mentioned it before, but even your third option doesn't have an answer for the question 'why?' as in 'why conceive of' or 'why respect' or 'why worship?'-Looked at another way, we always have lived without our apathetic creator... so why even bother? (no pun intended... BUT...) The "questions" said deity answers, aren't really answered. It's perhaps an emotional satisfaction and nothing more.-I started (and will finish!) your book this summer, I just have some training for work that followed right on the heels of finals last week. If nothing else, its going with me to Mexico this summer...
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"
Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind
by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, May 09, 2011, 21:41 (4945 days ago) @ George Jelliss
Why Intelligent Design is stupid > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEl9kVl6KPc&feature=youtube_gdata_player &am... > by Neil deGrasse Tyson > > This is not strictly in response to this thread, but I couldn't find a more appropriate thread with ID in the title.-Good link, btw... I had forgotten about that classic "pleasure palace next to a toxic waste dump" a long time ago....
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"
Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind
by leebowman , Phoenix AZ, Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 01:50 (4944 days ago) @ xeno6696
"My favorite of all ... eat/ drink/ talk ... one hole" and "Dolphins (and whales) have two ... '-It's called a blow-hole Neil. Some aquatic insects have them as well, for keeping the sea water out. A reasonable example of designer input to a species, and due to 'chance and necessity'? Nope, ID due to necessity.-Then he trotted out his, 'entertainment complex in the center of a sewage system' conundrum. My advice to Neil: refrain from sex (except for necessity; to get another tax deduction). But OK, in defense of the sexual v. urine delivery canal enigma-•	urine is sterile, and •	erection clamps off the urine function-Anyway, I haven't heard anyone else complain ...-But in defense of Tyson, funnnny bit, and Neil, here's how to make some extra moolah: http://www.comedycentral.com/
Intelligent Design I Could Get Behind
by George Jelliss , Crewe, Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 16:09 (4943 days ago) @ xeno6696
"I had forgotten about that classic "pleasure palace next to a toxic waste dump" a long time ago...."-W.B.Yeats had a similar idea years ago (1933):-http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/crazy-jane-talks-with-the-bishop/-"Love has pitched his mansion in the place of excrement"
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GPJ