(Balance!) Consciousness, identity, OBEs... (Identity)

by Balance_Maintained , U.S.A., Saturday, January 22, 2011, 08:30 (5053 days ago) @ xeno6696

Balance, 
> > a) Who said anything about computations?
> The closest thing we have to what you describe is quantum computing. Before it can be demonstrated in humans, it needs to be demonstrated in computers. Humans can do what computers do and more. I'll add to this shortly.
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I still don't see the connection here. Sorry. I have been a little distracted with school work recently. Please elaborate.-> 
> > b) Why would linkage via quantum entanglement require computation?
> > C) We are at all times surrounded by a resource of energy so vast as to completely stagger the mind. As discussed in another thread sometime back, every single physical thing in this universe is connected via energy. 
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> What, the sun? We are definitely connected via energy, but in a very observable, traceable way.-All matter is connected by bonds of energy at an atomic level. The very substance that comprises our physical existence is a source of energy that boggles the mind. (My mind at least) -> 
> > D) My main point in all of this was to point out the arrogance of making a statement that a 'soul' or metaphysical connection to the physical form as impossible is based solely on a complete and utter ignorance of the nature of reality and consciousness. It was never intended to be an actual proposal of an explanation. 
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> Everything is allowed in metaphysics. There are no rules there.
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> In the rules of empiricism, however... so far your connections are raw conjecture with tenuous links. Even though you don't necessarily use them.
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> > E) I posited quantum entanglement as one example of information transference not requiring a signal to counter an argument that some study said they detected no signals. As quantum entanglement does not transmit information in anyway that we can currently detect, it automatically disqualifies the study saying that there is no signal by the simple of of demonstrating that information can be transmitted over vast distances almost instantaneously without a signal.
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> How? The existence of a property that can only be created at extremes of temperature negates its use in describing consciousness which operates at alightly above room temperature. We can safely rule it out. Show me entanglement at room temperature and then you have a case for entanglement as information transference to define consciousness.
> -All matter was created at extreme temperatures, and while the matter has changed forms, made new connections, and broken old connections, we are all still comprised of the mass formed at the beginning of the universe in what we assume to be a 'big bang' of enormous temperature. What we don't know, is how long this entanglement lasts, if it is destructible, or if it continues to exist once the entangled particles cool.-> The existence of entanglement itself does not negate these studies. -It negates the studies in the sense that the studies themselves are incomplete, and thus can not be said to be entirely conclusive. At the very least, it could be said that of the forms of signals that they tested for, none existed, but that this finding does not preclude the discovery of a form of transmission not tested for.