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Hi-Some of you used to visit AF and post there, and may have noticed that for the last three weeks the server has been offline.-Some of us have got together to build a new site - AgnosticsInternational.net - which, although containing discussion topics, is not in direct competition with this forum.-AI was established to promote local meeting groups of Agnostics - we call them chapters.-It is all very new, and we are open to ideas and suggestions from all sources.-If the concept intrigues, do pop over and see what we are up to.-Regards-Bill

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Hi
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> Some of you used to visit AF and post there, and may have noticed that for the last three weeks the server has been offline.
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> Some of us have got together to build a new site - AgnosticsInternational.net - which, although containing discussion topics, is not in direct competition with this forum.
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> AI was established to promote local meeting groups of Agnostics - we call them chapters.
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> It is all very new, and we are open to ideas and suggestions from all sources.
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> If the concept intrigues, do pop over and see what we are up to.
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> Regards
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> Bill-I would think that combining the two websites into one would be doubly productive in exchange of ideas. How about it??

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BILL: Some of you used to visit AF and post there, and may have noticed that for the last three weeks the server has been offline.
Some of us have got together to build a new site - AgnosticsInternational.net - which, although containing discussion topics, is not in direct competition with this forum.
AI was established to promote local meeting groups of Agnostics - we call them chapters.
It is all very new, and we are open to ideas and suggestions from all sources.
If the concept intrigues, do pop over and see what we are up to.-Thanks for getting in touch, Bill. I had trouble locating the site (probably through my own technical incompetence), and eventually found it more by luck than judgement. Maybe in future you could give us the actual link so we can click onto it.-You're obviously looking to set up a much wider range of activities, and I think it's a great idea if you have the time and energy to carry it through! David Turell has suggested we combine websites. I'd be very happy to co-operate, but I'd be reluctant to change or expand our own format. May I suggest that when there's something you want to draw our attention to, you put it on the forum under Agnostics International (with website link), and let's see how things evolve. As you probably noticed, we don't ask people to register, and so I hope you and your own contributors will feel free to join in our discussions at any time, and of course ours may well want to join in yours. I think this is an exciting development, so do please keep in touch.

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You're obviously looking to set up a much wider range of activities, and I think it's a great idea if you have the time and energy to carry it through! David Turell has suggested we combine websites. I'd be very happy to co-operate, but I'd be reluctant to change or expand our own format. May I suggest that when there's something you want to draw our attention to, you put it on the forum under Agnostics International (with website link), and let's see how things evolve. As you probably noticed, we don't ask people to register, and so I hope you and your own contributors will feel free to join in our discussions at any time, and of course ours may well want to join in yours. I think this is an exciting development, so do please keep in touch.-Hi All-One of the things that impressed me by this site is the deep and well researched topics that are considered here. Whereas AF and now AI tends towards a more pragmatic agnosticism. This is the second (and I hope the last time, at least for a while) this particular agnostic community is being rebuilt from scratch). Anyway I can't help thinking our community would benefit from some interaction with AW.net on some level.-We certainly will provide a link to this website, when AI's official homepage goes live in the new year. -Nevertheless we would appreciate any time that you could spend with us, that would be great.-you prodigal brother - rom

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> Hi All
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> One of the things that impressed me by this site is the deep and well researched topics that are considered here. Whereas AF and now AI tends towards a more pragmatic agnosticism. This is the second (and I hope the last time, at least for a while) this particular agnostic community is being rebuilt from scratch). Anyway I can't help thinking our community would benefit from some interaction with AW.net on some level.
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> We certainly will provide a link to this website, when AI's official homepage goes live in the new year. 
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> Nevertheless we would appreciate any time that you could spend with us, that would be great.
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> you prodigal brother - rom-I think cross-links would be wonderful. We have a small number of active registered members, and I think very thoughtful discussions, and we appreciate your kind comments. Perhaps a larger input would bring in more areas of consideration. Thanks for checking with us, Rom.

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Dave,-Sorry for the delay in getting back to you - a 2 day soccer tournament took all the time I had during waking hours.-I think that some sort of joint initiative would be a wonderful idea.-If you want to contact me off-line, we could discuss the various options available to us.-Regards-Bill

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Dave,
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> Sorry for the delay in getting back to you - a 2 day soccer tournament took all the time I had during waking hours.
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> I think that some sort of joint initiative would be a wonderful idea.
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> If you want to contact me off-line, we could discuss the various options available to us.
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> Regards
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> Bill-I find that a very interesting idea, but this site is owned and paid for by dhw. We need to drag him in and perhaps Rom, to make a committee for decisions.-dhw, please join the discussion.

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DAVID: I think cross-links would be wonderful. We have a small number of active registered members, and I think very thoughtful discussions, and we appreciate your kind comments. Perhaps a larger input would bring in more areas of consideration. Thanks for checking with us, Rom.-BILL: Sorry for the delay in getting back to you - a 2 day soccer tournament took all the time I had during waking hours. I think that some sort of joint initiative would be a wonderful idea. If you want to contact me off-line, we could discuss the various options available to us.-DAVID: I find that a very interesting idea, but this site is owned and paid for by dhw. We need to drag him in and perhaps Rom, to make a committee for decisions. dhw, please join the discussion.-dhw here, folks. I've joined in, and you don't have to drag me! I appreciate the kind comments too. Do by all means let's correspond privately, but if anyone has ideas or strong feelings on this subject, please feel free to say so on the forum. We have very strict security arrangements to protect everyone's privacy, but perhaps if, say, Bill and Romansh could register, I can get your email addresses from Neil, our administrator (unless, of course, you're happy to make them public). I'd better give advance notice that I shall be away 20 December ... 1 January, but we could certainly set the ball rolling before then.

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dhw here, folks. I've joined in, and you don't have to drag me! I appreciate the kind comments too. Do by all means let's correspond privately, but if anyone has ideas or strong feelings on this subject, please feel free to say so on the forum. We have very strict security arrangements to protect everyone's privacy, but perhaps if, say, Bill and Romansh could register, I can get your email addresses from Neil, our administrator (unless, of course, you're happy to make them public). I'd better give advance notice that I shall be away 20 December ... 1 January, but we could certainly set the ball rolling before then.-Hi dhw
I registered a while back and I noticed Bill has also. 
Maybe a telecon? I find these things go better by phone - intonations etc.-Plus if you go to my homepage - you can get my (disposable) email from there.-all the best-rom

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I really have no idea how we can join forces, other than by promoting each other's site. And the more all agnostic forums take on the same attitude and promote the cross-pollination of ideas and initiatives, the stronger our collective presence will become. At least, I would hope so.-To help move this idea along, I have put a section on http://www.agnosticsinternational.net for use by AgnosticWeb members to post anything they wish to our members.-Regards-Bill

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rom,-Hey I didnt like the direction AF was going. I hope the next incarnation is actually vaid.-Any site you might shift us too?

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rom,
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> Hey I didnt like the direction AF was going. I hope the next incarnation is actually vaid.
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> Any site you might shift us too?-Hi The An-Jel
Good to hear from you.-Just curious what were the concerns regarding the old AF site?
PM me if you like.-When I'm bored I also play at:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/ which is the phoenix rising from the old RichardDawkins.net
and at
http://www.jcf.org - Joseph Campbell who Og was always going on about.-The two sites could not be more diffrent.-rom

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I don't mind saying it here.-I simply thought that the latest moderator Bill that Frank promoted went a lot control freak with his power and over editted religious and non-religious posts alike. The out right insults towards members said "in so many words" made me nauseous and offended... I do not get offended personally but I felt it for the number of people that I confirmed with the people that were attacked by it. I wanted them to understand that Bill didn't speak for everyone even as he added the "WE" to his posts when dealing with the people he wanted to dominate.-I don't think the idea of grouping Agnostics into different little groups is any different than the myriad of tiny groups that the ReligionS (big S there)has divided themselves into trying to conquer one another and everyone else either.-I don't know why the Forums were closed and its sad to see them go.

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Alas, it would seem that AF has lost ALL the posts made on it in the last 18 months or more, so what happened back there is now lost forever. And there is no sign that the site will be resurrected.-I was directed by George (a co-owner) to cut down on the amount of stuff the trolls posted and the personal insults being slung between various factions. If that came across as a control freak mission of my own making, it was not my intent and no one ever complained to my face.-C'est la vie, as they say on other forums.-I must apologise for your forum being used to air the dirty washing from one that no longer exists, and promise that this will be my last word on this topic around here.

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> I must apologise for your forum being used to air the dirty washing from one that no longer exists, and promise that this will be my last word on this topic around here.-As a regular member here, and in the absence of dhw, let me invite you to hang around and join in our discussions when you are inclined. We do not snap anyone's head off. Disagree at times, yes, but in good debate fashion.

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By "last word" I meant on this particular topic.-I do hope that I have some viewpoints that you would like to examine and discuss in other threads, and have relevant input into ideas offered by others.

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By "last word" I meant on this particular topic.
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> I do hope that I have some viewpoints that you would like to examine and discuss in other threads, and have relevant input into ideas offered by others.-I knew what you meant. It is just my thought that adding heads multiplies the depth of the discussions.

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> I don't think the idea of grouping Agnostics into different little groups is any different than the myriad of tiny groups that the ReligionS (big S there)has divided themselves into trying to conquer one another and everyone else either.
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> I don't know why the Forums were closed and its sad to see them go.-We don't have a moderator here. We've never needed one. Those of us who contribute regularly have been courteous to each other in our wide ranging discussions. There is no point into dividing into groups. We are not defending anything. Once we admit that no one knows the truth about a greater power, we can allow all sorts of opinions and reasonings.

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Thats how the forums were set up I thought initially and thats how I thought they should have continued.

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We don't have a moderator here. We've never needed one. Those of us who contribute regularly have been courteous to each other in our wide ranging discussions. There is no point into dividing into groups. We are not defending anything. Once we admit that no one knows the truth about a greater power, we can allow all sorts of opinions and reasonings.-Back on AF we used to get hit by 3 or more spam bots every day: one of the main duties of the mods was to track them down and kill them off early in their spamming activities.

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> Back on AF we used to get hit by 3 or more spam bots every day: one of the main duties of the mods was to track them down and kill them off early in their spamming activities.-Neil takes care of the occasional spam. We have also been attacked on rare occasion by over zealous nuns, fundimentalists, etc., but that only makes the case for us that religions create more trouble than they are worth. However, reacting to religious foolishness is a poor reason to be an atheist or an agnostic.I am neither, but I have a faith of my own doing, based on a study of the science of cosmology & particle physics and on the discovery that the Darwin theory is swiss-cheese, sort of a faith-based religion of its own. I do believe evolution occurred, but that DNA has guidance codes that create a drive toward complexity.That is a short summary of my previous posts.

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Neil takes care of the occasional spam. We have also been attacked on rare occasion by over zealous nuns, fundimentalists, etc., but that only makes the case for us that religions create more trouble than they are worth. However, reacting to religious foolishness is a poor reason to be an atheist or an agnostic.I am neither, but I have a faith of my own doing, based on a study of the science of cosmology & particle physics and on the discovery that the Darwin theory is swiss-cheese, sort of a faith-based religion of its own. I do believe evolution occurred, but that DNA has guidance codes that create a drive toward complexity.That is a short summary of my previous posts.-On this particular statement I could not agree with you more. Even if we perhaps disagree on details, I think the 'spirit' of our belief system is very similar.

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I started out on Agnostic forums as a means of support,after that as a means of education. Please advise me of where my friends have gone ....larryfayles@gmail.com

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Larry, I've emailed the organizers of Agnostics International, which has replaced Agnostic Forums, to find out what's gone wrong. I hope they'll restore the link soon, but in the meantime perhaps you might find some of our own discussions useful. You'd be very welcome to join in.

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Here you go Larry: http://www.agnosticsinternational.net/forum/index.php-at least this link was working today

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