Somehow this discussion forum on Agnosticism appears to have turned into a madhouse obsessed with Biblical exegesis and Pseudoscience, and the posts are too rapid and uncoordinated for me to follow. So until such time as some semblance of sense returns, it's Goodbye from me! Perhaps the site should be renamed the GnosticWeb.-George, please remain. We need a resident atheist to balance with me. See the site below about monkeys and are they self-aware, an interesting facet of the debate on consciousness.-
http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/57730/-And I agree with George. This is an unimportant side channel in our general discussion. Start a GnosticWeb and have fun into delving into dead ends outside of the accepted scriptures.

Sorry man, I'd been doing research for my novel lately and B_M's posts just stuck me into a tizzy, especially with the suggestion of a true "worldwide flood." -At the same time, he perfectly balances my more materialistic agnosticism with something different. -Didn't there used to be a pastor or Christian guy here that dhw mentioned in passing a couple times?

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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"

\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"

George,-Please don't leave on account of that. I have truly enjoyed the challenges you have presented to my way of thinking. It's good to have ideas from every side.

GEORGE: Somehow this discussion forum on Agnosticism appears to have turned into a madhouse obsessed with Biblical exegesis and Pseudoscience, and the posts are too rapid and uncoordinated for me to follow. So until such time as some semblance of sense returns, it's Goodbye from me! Perhaps the site should be renamed the GnosticWeb.-I hope it's only temporary, George, because your perspective is so vital for the balance of our discussions. I can understand the problem ... I too am finding it impossible to keep up, and so I'm focusing on the subjects that I feel I can make a contribution to. I certainly don't want to inhibit free discussion, but perhaps we can stick to three or four topics at a time instead of lashing out in all directions.-For those who joined the forum later, I have to say that George was among the very first contributors, as was David, and their contrasting viewpoints backed up by their scientific expertise and formidable debating prowess have been the two rocks on which this forum has balanced itself. Losing George would be rather like Wayne Rooney losing his right leg. ----

Somehow this discussion forum on Agnosticism appears to have turned into a madhouse obsessed with Biblical exegesis and Pseudoscience, and the posts are too rapid and uncoordinated for me to follow. So until such time as some semblance of sense returns, it's Goodbye from me! Perhaps the site should be renamed the GnosticWeb.-I feel like this is almost entirely my fault. I do tend to be a bit spastic, particularly because I am not specialized in any one field, nor do I wish to be, and also because with the nature of my job, I have lots of free time to dig into different topics. I am truly sorry if I have been a disrupting influence here. That was most certainly not my intent. I have learned a lot here, but if I am the source of any malcontent or disharmony between a group that was obviously working quite well together before my arrival, I would much rather censor or withdraw myself rather than see the group fall apart. If discussing religious or gnostic themes is unacceptable, just let me know.