More "miscellany" PARTS ONE & TWO (General)

by David Turell @, Monday, April 03, 2023, 16:56 (361 days ago) @ dhw

Brain wiring

DAVID: What is worthless is your implied supposition that complexification can create speciation.

dhw: We are not talking about speciation! Of course complexification of the brain cells doesn’t create new species! Please explain why it is “worthless” to assume that earlier brains changed in RESPONSE to (not in ANTICIPATION of) new requirements just as ours do.

My 'worthless' comment relates only to speciation'. Your question refers to our disagreement about new brains from God, or not. God gave each new hominin/homo species larger brains for future use.


Plate tectonics

DAVID: We are the only planet with plate tectonics….

dhw: Corrected by the article:

QUOTE: No other known planet possesses plate tectonics. (dhw’s bold)

DAVID: Tectonics made the Earth hospitable for life to appear. Evidence that God prefers to evolve goals.
And under “an edge to the universe”:
DAVID: Siegel has looked back to our beginning. He shows how the universe evolved. More evidence God evolves His goals.

dhw: Once more, to restore the balance: I don’t suppose even the most ardent of atheists would deny that the Earth has evolved. If your God exists, then those of us who believe in evolution will certainly acknowledge that he must have used evolution to achieve his goals. Plate tectonics and the evolution of the universe are not, however, evidence that even if your God exists, his one and only goal in creating them was to produce H. sapiens plus our food.

DAVID: Back to Adler: we are here against all odds. God had to do it.

dhw: This constant clinging to Adler gets you nowhere. The whole of ID is based on the fact that all aspects of life are so complex that a designer “had to do” them. The fact that the planet evolved and plate tectonics played a role in the evolution of life does not provide any evidence for the absurdly illogical theory that your God’s only purpose in designing all the species that had no connection with humans plus food was to design humans plus food.

Same discussion in two threads. Adler is my support authority that God chose evolution to create us.


DAVID: See entry on Fred Hoyle as an atheist converts?

QUOTE: “Once we see, however, that the probability of life originating at random is so
utterly miniscule as to make it absurd, it becomes sensible to think that the
favorable properties of physics on which life depends are in every respect
deliberate ... . It is therefore almost inevitable that our own measure of
intelligence must reflect ... higher intelligences ... even to the limit of
God ...”

dhw: I have always accepted the logic of this argument. I vaguely remember us discussing Hoyle before, and it just wasn’t clear what he finished up as: atheist, agnostic or theist. I’ve tried Googling, but there seem to be different views! I have no idea what this has to do with the theory of cellular intelligence.

Cells act intelligently because God coded them to do so.


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