More "miscellany" PART ONE (General)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, November 29, 2022, 16:56 (486 days ago) @ dhw

PART ONE

Human evolution: specific DNA sequences

DAVID: My side is talking about designer who runs evolution and prepares species for future problems.

dhw: I know. And I am suggesting that the preparation for future problems consists in the mechanisms for change which will come into play when those future problems arise, as opposed to your God making the changes before the problems arise. For instance, pre-whale legs would have turned into flippers when, for whatever reason, the organism began to inhabit a new environment – not in preparation for its entry into the new environment. Pre-human backs and legs would have straightened as a result of living at ground level, not in preparation for it.

This approach is simply speciation without God


Viruses fight bat immunity (dhw: And bats fight viruses’ immunity!)
Also Viruses fight with CRISPR

DAVID: As usual you are presenting a hodgepodge of my comments out of context. My human level of designing is not at God's level, but your very human suggestion that God give species the ability to speciate on their own, means God has to implant the complete knowledge of how to do it in great detail. Why bother? It is obvious it is simpler to just do it.

dhw: My theory is that he has given them the intelligence to work out the solutions for themselves!

And my view is they have no innate intelligence. They have designed instructions


DAVID: My answer is the same as in the other thread: "The best example to discuss is dinosaurs. […]

dhw: Your repetition is totally irrelevant and is dealt with on the other thread. Now please explain why it is “simpler” for your God to give every organism detailed instructions for every problem, adaptation, innovation throughout the past, present and future (with no explanation for the countless failures) than it would be for him to provide a single mechanism by means of which they would make their own efforts to work out their own solutions etc. (thus explaining the countless failures).

There is no such thing as a 'simple mechanism' for making very complex designs, taking a giant enzyme molecule as an example. It would take the equivalent of God's whole mind.


Bacterial intelligence: stress responses (Animals)

QUOTE: “… bacteria improve their estimation accuracy and make better informed decisions about how to respond to the environment. In other words, bacteria exploit a well-known principle in decision theory: the wisdom of crowds."

DAVID: I never think single cells are free to do whatever they wish. They are automaticly programmed by their God-given DNA ;-)

dhw: You left out your comment that “Bacteria appeared with the ability to edit their own DNA.” That is why the heading is “Bacterial intelligence” and that is why you wanted to know the origin of the abilities I have described, although apparently today they don’t have those abilities because God does everything for them, which presumably includes the ability to edit their own DNA, which they have lost since Saturday.

DAVID: Sorry. I was referring improperly to multicellular cells and thoughtlessly ignoring what bacteria do.

dhw: Thank you, but what makes you think that single cells have these abilities and then lose them when they form cooperative communities?

The abilities of bacteria to survive as single cells involves extra capacities given by God's design. In multicellular forms survival is not an immediate issue. You are comparing apples to elephants.


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