More "miscellany" PARTS ONE & TWO (General)

by David Turell @, Saturday, November 05, 2022, 18:08 (509 days ago) @ dhw

Talbott’s Agency

DAVID: I agree with the ID'ers. Life is designed to make decisions guided by designed information.

Yet more nebulous flannel. Life doesn’t make decisions. Living things make decisions. What is “designed information”? Previously you have used the clear word “instructions”, so once more, do your fellow ID-ers believe that all bacteria and all cell communities follow God’s instructions for every decision that needs to be made? Yes or no will do.

Yes.


Horizontal gene transfer

DAVID: The principal is God designed everything present. God designed/allowed genomes to have horizontal transfer, in an ecosystem that supplied food on Madagascar.

dhw: “Allowed” is very different from “designed”. The mechanism for horizontal transfer may have been designed by your God, but if snakes and frogs were “allowed” to use it, you have a free-for-all. According to your theory, “designed” would mean that there would have been no food supply for humans on Madagascar if snake genes had not been transferred into frogs. Is that what you mean?

God, as designer, created some mechanism for gene transfer is all I am proposing, not whether it affects food supply.


Toxoplasma

DAVID: […] God's teleology is known only to God.

dhw: […]. If only God knows his purpose(s), why do you insist that his purpose for creating “all of life”, including putting snake genes in frogs, was to create us and our food? How do you know that his purpose was not to create a free-for-all? […]

DAVID: Your analysis of a 'possible' God results in a God of diminished powers. My God knows exactly what he is doing and does it.

dhw: So does mine, but in none of my alternatives (with the possible exception of experimentation) is he so incompetent that he has to create countless life forms and ecosystems that have no connection with his purpose. There is no diminishing of powers if he wants a free-for-all, or if – like many artists and writers – he sets out on a voyage of discovery to see how ideas can develop.

Your God has discover His end points of creation? How weak.


Migration

QUOTES: "A young bar-tailed godwit appears to have set a non-stop distance record for migratory birds by flying at least 13,560 kilometers (8,435 miles) from Alaska to the Australian state of Tasmania.”

DAVID: All I can revert to is it was all part of God's plan.

dhw: So even if the little godwit got lost, it didn’t get lost because God pushed it in the wrong direction in order to fulfil his plan, which was to...do what, I wonder. Don’t you think you’re carrying this purposeful divine dabbling theory a bit too far? ;-)

No!! ;-)

Neutrino detectors

DAVID[…] We still have no answer for dhw who wonders why the universe is so big and so complex, if all God wanted was to create some humans on Earth. My simple answer is God knows what He is doing.

dhw: If God exists, of course he knows what he is doing, but that does not mean he designed billions of stars and countless dead-end life forms for the sole purpose of creating us and our food! Please stop kidding yourself that your theory is a fact!

What I accept is the universe is what it is, because God knew it had to be that way for the Earth to appear to house us. All of reality is God's work.


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