More miscellany Part ONE (General)

by David Turell @, Tuesday, September 13, 2022, 17:39 (563 days ago) @ dhw

PART ONE

DAVID: That autonomous intelligence requires enormous amounts of new information which comes from where? I say God. You have no answer.

dhw: What information are you talking about? Autonomous intelligence processes information from outside and takes decisions on how to use it. You tell us that bacteria (single cells) do this autonomously when confronted by attempts to destroy them, and I propose that our immune systems (cell communities) do exactly the same. Where does the intelligence come from? Maybe God. Our not knowing the source of autonomous intelligence does not preclude the existence of autonomous intelligence.

DAVID: Same non-answer. Autonomous intelligence must have an intelligent source!

dhw: I have no objection to the theory that the source of autonomous cellular intelligence may have been your God. But you keep insisting that cells do not have autonomous intelligence, as if somehow you could tell the difference between autonomous intelligent actions and preprogrammed, robotic intelligent actions.

I have said the odds are 50/50 on simply looking in microscopically. But my belief in a designer leads me to the cell following designed instructions.


dhw: I’m delighted that you think your God gave single-celled bacteria the autonomous intelligence to edit their DNA in order to defend and immunize themselves. But I can’t understand why you think their multi-cellular descendants could not have inherited the autonomous intelligence to defend and immunize themselves through a similar process of continuously responding to new threats and storing the new information. Cause of the intelligence unknown, but may be your God.

DAVID: Yes, it was God who gave multicellular organism immune systems. Multicellulars can't edit DNA like bacteria can.

dhw: If your God gave single-celled bacteria the autonomous intelligence to edit their DNA, why do you think he could not have given multicellular organisms the autonomous intelligence to design their own defences against invaders?

God gave all multicellular organisms immune systems.


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