More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Sunday, August 28, 2022, 15:47 (578 days ago) @ dhw

Vocalisation

DAVID: Programming new blueprints for cells to follow is an unnecessary way of doing it. I'm sure God could do it if He decided to. But hands on in much easier.

dhw: Where have you found programming new blueprints in my theory? It’s you who have him offering billions of blueprints in your 3.8-billion-year-old programme for the whole of evolution. Hands on is dabbling, so have we said goodbye to that old programme of yours? Why is it easier to perform millions and millions of hands-on operations to produce millions and millions of eventually extinct organisms than it is to leave them to do their own thing?[/i]

DAVID: A blueprint is an instruction of how to create something. That is what God would have to give cells so they could cause speciation.

dhw: That is your theory – a 3.8-billion-year-old book of blueprints, or blueprints delivered through individual dabbles. You refuse to believe that your God is capable of giving cells the autonomous intelligence to design their own innovations (which lead to speciation), although apparently he did give them the autonomy to design minor adaptations, and he gave humans the autonomy to design all kinds of innovations, from the spear to the spacecraft.

Red question: blueprint is just a way of describing instructions for creation. Blue question: God, in charge, has goals. Individuals creating may not follow His goals.


DAVID: Our theories about God (IDer's plus me) are perfectly logical and comes from the approach that comes from our concept of God

dhw:I can’t believe that all ID-ers accept your theory that the designer specially designed every single life form and econiche throughout the history of evolution as an “absolute requirement” and preparation for his design of all the different hominins and homos and ultimately sapiens plus food, which were his only goal from the beginning. But I have no doubt whatsoever that they all believe in Intelligent Design. Is that what you mean?

ID means God designed everything!!!! The designer is God.


First walking ancestor

DAVID: We have no way of knowing the thought patterns of Lucy or how she attempted ground travel. Your bold is suppositions. All we know is bipedalism appeared.

dhw: Agreed. Hence our theories. You asked why it happened, and I gave you two possible answers. You suggested God “designed the change”. Now please explain why you think my suggestions are unlikely.

They leave out God.


Lungworm

dhw: Not quite my usual comment. My question would be why your kind and all-powerful God designed these dangerous animals if he knew they would make us poor humans ill or even dead. I suggest they are simply part of a great free-for-all in which what is good for a lungworm may be bad for a human.

DAVID: Yes, 'what is good for a lungworm may be bad for a human'.

dhw: We agree. That doesn’t answer my question, but it supports the theistic concept of a free-for-all in which organisms use their God-given intelligence to do what is good for them rather than that of a programme designed by a kindly God only to do good to us humans, but accidentally slipping out of his control and killing us instead.

Your point is wrong. The 'bad' organisms are free to do whatever they wish.


New view of Big Bang

QUOTE: Although many laypersons (and even a minority of professionals) still cling to the idea that the Big Bang means "the very beginning of it all," that definition is decades out of date.

DAVID: […] this means the hot inflationary period is all we can see of a beginning for this universe. We can assume a start but it is hidden.

dhw: We can assume nothing. But you assume an eternal form of immaterial consciousness without a beginning, so why can’t someone else assume eternal forms of materials and energy constantly creating new combinations which eventually led to the universe we know?

Pure materialism reaches mentation!!!


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