More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Sunday, May 15, 2022, 16:07 (684 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: When will you realize I cannot give you God's reasons!!! I accept what God did and try to interpret. The 'inexplicable actions' are God's actions. He knows why He does/did what He does/did. I don't 'know why' and never will. We can only analyze and try to see reasons.

dhw: "When will you realize" that I am not asking for God's reasons but for yours? If God exists, of course he knows why he does/did what he does/did. You try to interpret the history (hence your anthropocentric theory of evolution), but it doesn’t fit in with your interpretation, and so instead of acknowledging that your own reasoning might be wrong, you assume that God’s reasoning only makes sense to himself!

You cannot see I accept God's works as really His and I try to analyze the 'why'. I sorry my resultant beliefs confuse you into seeing so-called contradictions. You don't like my analyses which don't fit your attempt to imagine God. Why can't you realize I have no contradictions in my train of thought.


New cell

DAVID: I have no desire to ponder at your level of implied criticism of what God did.

dhw: The wish for a free-for-all, enjoyment of creation and interest in the creations, experimenting, learning, getting new ideas...none of these alternatives are a criticism of God! They are all logical interpretations of what your God did. The criticism is of your theory, for which you can find no logical explanation.

The bold is from your humanized version of a possible God. My conceived God fits my reasoning with a fully logical argument. You need to come over to my view of God.


DAVID: God does not need to experiment. He doesn't need new ideas.

dhw: I would not imagine God as being “needy”. Wanting, for instance, to create things, and being interested in what he creates, doesn’t make him needy, but seems to me to provide a very believable motive for his creation of life. How do you know he doesn't experiment or come up with new ideas?

Why can't you see a very purposeful God who knows exactly what to do? Do you think our complex universe is an experiment?


DAVID: You have a total inconsistency of thought: your declaration God should have directly created us comes from an acceptance by you that God has full power to do as He wishes. That is what He did, for His own unknown reasons.

dhw: I have never said he “should have done” anything. It is you who claim that he is all-powerful and all-knowing and plans everything in advance as preparation for H. sapiens plus food, but you cannot understand why in that case he designed all the non-human life forms and foods etc. or why he didn’t design H. sapiens directly. That “makes sense only to God”. I suggest that there are alternative explanations which make perfect sense, but you refuse to budge from your rigid, senseless theory.

Not senseless if one accepts a purposeful God working in one direction of His own. Your alternative namby-pamby God is back in full weird bloom. Your full confusion about my approach is obvious in the bold. The bush is a carefully balanced set of ecosystems for food for all, and especially for the God-anticipated huge human population.


Sturdy bird nests

DAVID: on the issue of nesting, birds are smarter than we are. It is not just the knots of the weaverbird. I still feel God helped.

dhw: I suggest that it’s not just birds that are smarter than we are in their own special way, but also countless other life forms including bacteria, and also including cell communities that combine their smartness to design evolutionary innovations. If God exists, I would suggest that his “help” would have consisted in designing the intelligence of the cells of which all life forms are made.

That intelligence is from God's instruction-containing genome.


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