More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Sunday, April 03, 2022, 16:01 (725 days ago) @ dhw

Stem cells

dhw: So cancer cells use a GPS system designed by your God, and despite his omnipotence, he is unable to control them. Thank you.

We do not know how many times the editing works. It must because most of us are fine. My guess is more than a trillion to one.


Other birds’ braininess

DAVID: I was explaining the spread of the trick, not its obvious source.

dhw: What is its obvious source? The intelligence of the birds/opossums/monkeys, or your God popping in to give them lessons?

Crows have unusual neurons. They use the neurons they were given.


Nature's wonders: some bird sex organs are weird

dhw: I can’t help wondering why these weird rape-protection kits for ducks were so essential for the design of humans and our food.

DAVID: Just part of God's designed evolution.

dhw: But according to you, every design was/is “part of the goal to evolve [= design] humans” and our food. How do you think these weird vaginas are connected with us and our food?

DAVID: You know my answer. Part of the vital ecosystems is the way ducks propagate.

dhw: Vital for what? Are you saying that the duck’s weird vagina is vital for the survival of the human race?

Not directly but part of the vital ecosystem that supplies food for all.


Inner core

DAVID: No I wouldn't. The 'sudden potential loss' is the author's interpretation of events. God was in full control all along. My statement above is clear, chance and contingency do not explain how the events all dove tailed. But of course you wouldn't interpret it at face value. :-|

dhw: But you accepted that there was a “sudden potential loss” and asked how it got turned around. Your proposal was that God stepped in to turn it around. So what are you saying now? He organized a sudden potential loss, and then stepped in to remedy what he’d organized?

Your usual distortion. You are quoting an author's interpretation. The potential loss never happened. Maybe it was never a potential event, but events always following what God intended to happen. I am copying the thoughts of a reporter not considering God in action.


Panpsychism makes a comeback

DAVID: it is much easier to accept that design is obviously present in our reality. Only a mind can design. Therefore mind is at work in our reality. The struggle is the fight to save pure materialism. The struggle is obviously illogically foolish.

dhw: I accept that design is present in our reality. Design presupposes consciousness, and the problem is how consciousness originated. We have no idea. The theory that “some form of consciousness, however fragmentary, is an intrinsic property of matter” is no more and no less “illogically foolish” than the theory that an eternal, all-knowing, all-powerful, first-cause form of consciousness has always been there , or the theory that rudimentary consciousness first arose through a chance combination of materials which happened in the course of an infinite number of combinations by eternal, ever changing, first-cause matter and energy.

Still on the picket fence. But now you are considering the importance of a conscious mind. We don't know where it came from. We might ask what caused eternal energy/matter. The problem is there must be a first cause. Since a conscious mind, source unknown, is necessary just accept that much, with none of religions' propaganda applied. That is where I started 40 years ago.


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