More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Saturday, March 26, 2022, 17:02 (733 days ago) @ dhw

Bird migration

DAVID: No joke, God designed it all for them, with magnetic field guidance built in. You have to admit He found great spots for them to winter. Your version has birds hopefully flying over the horizon without any preparation or plan.

dhw: Yes, that is my version of how the process began. I doubt very much that the first migration would have been 10,000 miles. Even today you may be surprised to know that birds can stop flying and can find food on the ground. But as regards crossing the sea, some birds do fly non-stop, and as you have said, they use energy-saving winds and thermals. Do you think God flies with them to give them instructions, or might he have given them the intelligence to use the conditions and to remember them for future migrations?

The first issue is why did birds decide to leave a nice spot they had?


DAVID: […] Without energy preparation they never would have made it there and back!

dhw: No doubt many of them didn’t. But luckily for them, the first migrants must have found enough food to keep them going. You say your God provided it. What food do you think he provided that they couldn't have found themselves?

Stay with the issue of long overseas flights. How did birds know how to prepare for it? What made them do it on their own? Let's not blithely invent just-so responses.


Free will

dhw: The fact that we need our brains to help us operate our lives is totally irrelevant to the question of whether we have free will!

Agreed.


Milky Way

DAVID: I don't dodge. The problem is your confusion in thinking about God. You and I do it totally differently and never can meet in the middle.

dhw: I have challenged one particular theory bolded above, and so now you are dodging it with this vague generalization.

Your irrational 'challenge' doesn't exist if you accept God in the way I do. Fully explained many times

dhw: As usual, you try to edit out your own belief that God enjoys creating and is interested in what he creates. Why is that “nothing like” my view that God might enjoy creating and be interested in what he creates, and this enjoyment and interest might motivate his creativity?

DAVID: Still trying to equate how you and I view God. My objections to your human God won't change.

dhw: You agree that your God must enjoy creating (or he wouldn’t do it) and is interested in his creations. Please explain why you object to my suggestion that God enjoys creating and is interested in his creations and might therefore have wanted (please don’t change this to “needed”) to create things he enjoyed creating and would find interesting.

Once again you fall back on what God required for Himself. What God 'wants to enjoy' as you put it equals need, in any context. God requires nothing. He is pure purpose. His major intention is pure creation toward a defined goal, humans. His reactions are entirely a probable secondary event as we view/guess possibilities about His personality.


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