More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Friday, January 28, 2022, 21:50 (790 days ago) @ dhw

Early quark-gluon plasma

dhw: [...] why are you defending what you believe to have been Guth’s argument?

DAVID: Guth's theorem indicates something from nothing physical, therefore God did it. Obvious.

dhw:... please tell me how Guth could prove that the BB was NOT caused by something physical. How can anyone “prove” what was or wasn’t there before our beginning? And especially I ask you how you can accept “proof” that your God hasn’t created countless physical universes during his eternal existence, and that he didn’t use materials he had created to set off each beginning, including ours?

The paper which I've read has too many advanced math equations for me to understand his widely accepted proof. I've agreed God may have done this is His timeless past. If God is timeless and spacetime exists only after He makes it, what materials can exist from the past which exists only in each new universe?


Light sensing proteins

DAVID: Shapiro developed his theory from bacteria editing DNA, with no subsequent followers doing more work to support him. Why?

dhw: The concept of cellular intelligence has plenty of followers, and I wish you would stick to the argument instead of trying to belittle Shapiro. I have pointed out that molecules have to act automatically to preserve any system, and the question is how the system originates. That is where autonomous intelligence would come into play, as opposed to your divine programming and dabbling.

Simply, God is the active designing intelligence.


Life’s required metals

DAVID: God goes as far as He has to in designing.

dhw: I like it. According to you, he has to design everything. I propose that he only has to design the mechanism that enables cell communities to do their own designing. Same God, but at least my proposal explains the higgledy-piggledy bush!

Without the bush, not enough food for all. My God knows what He is required to create.


Regions protected from mutations

QUOTE: Specifically, genes playing a crucial role in survival and reproduction mutate far less often than those that are less important. ( David’s bold)

DAVID: The article contains many guesses as to why these protections exist, with no clear answer. I have one. These protections stabilize the existence of species, and do not allow speciation, which would then require a very special set of events as if a designer stepped in.

dhw: This ties in neatly with my point that cells must act automatically to preserve a system, but evolution also requires the freedom for cells to vary their structure. Wonderful to hear that scientists are beginning to find out which cells do what.

Not my interpretation as above.


Cambrian explosion: still finding nervous systems

quote: "Two tiny fossils, each smaller than an aspirin pill, contain fossilized nerve tissue from 508 million years ago. The bug-like Cambrian creatures could help scientists piece together the evolutionary history of modern-day spiders and scorpions.""

DAVID: Another example of the complexity of Cambrian organisms with no precursors and the gap from the Edicaran layers is only 410,000 years, a blink of the eye in evolutionary terms.

dhw: Another example of new fossils being found even today (or ten years ago). If only all organisms had managed to leave fossils of themselves for every year since 3.8 billion years ago, we would have the complete picture. Some folk would say 410,000 years would yield enough generations of intelligent cell communities to produce and develop any new set of organs.

You just dove in off the deep end. These new findings are from 100 year old fossils in the Harvard storage bins from the Burgess shale. Reexamined with new techniques. You and one author are satisfied 410,00 years are enough to create appendage and whole new organ systems, with eyes for hunting!!! The first real predators ever! At known mutation rates, impossible except by God designing.


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