More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, December 08, 2021, 15:28 (43 days ago) @ dhw

Reality: God is a mathematician
DAVID: We differ from God in that we cannot attain His depth of knowledge or thought capacity.

dhw:n If he exists, of course we can’t. How does that come to mean that although you agree he probably has thought patterns and emotions and logic similar to ours, and we “mimic him” in certain ways, any theory containing thought patterns, emotions and logic similar to ours must be wrong?

Your constant humanizing of God never stops.

Monarchs use toxic milkweed

dhw: You are once again forgetting that all precise lifecycles must have originated at some time. […] you agree that the bees’ “algorithm” is the ABILITY to interpret. I suggest that this ABILITY (possibly designed by your God) enabled the monarch to develop its lifestyle, as opposed to your God’s 3.8-billion-year-old programme or dabble to counter milkweed poison, apparently so necessary for his design of humans plus food.

Same old complaint, answered over and over.

evolution driven by extinctions

DAVID: As for your total misunderstanding of the Cambrian, I've explained it before: necessary biochemical processes were developed pre-Cambrian. Once in place God could design the new forms which are the basis of current animal life.

dhw: So why did your God, whose only purpose according to you, was to design humans plus food, specially design all the Cambrian and post-Cambrian life forms (and extinctions) that had no connection with humans, when he had now developed the basics and could design any species he liked?

Same answer: God prefers to evolve everything: universe, Earth, life:

DAVID: The obvious logic, which you constantly ignore, is God prefers to evolve, not directly create. Since you question God's actions, why not ask you to ask Him?

dhw: But he didn’t “evolve” the Cambrians – you believe he created them without predecessors! And even our friend the monarch butterfly didn’t “evolve” its lifestyle: “Every caterpillar must be protected from the start of the lifecycle which, in my view, appeared all at once by God's design.”

But with the proper biochemistry as stated above. Some of evolution has gaps, remember?

Heliosphere protection
DAVID: The universe is a dangerous place for living organisms. dhw wonders why God made the universe this way. Perhaps it has to be and one day we will fully understand.

dhw: Indeed I wonder why an all-powerful, all-knowing God, whose only purpose was apparently to create H. sapiens plus food, should have created so many problems for himself before he could even design life. It’s inexplicable, and typifies your whole theory of evolution. You can only hope that one day you will understand it yourself.

So you don't understand it either! Wait for our research!

Ecosystem importance
DAVID: This is a beautiful example of an important very complex system which is an answer to why dhw thinks God made too many animals on His way to producing humans. All those animals are necessary for the proper balance. Just imagine the chaos if all the lions disappeared, as the absent wolves in Yellowstone.

dhw: As usual, you omit the illogical parts of your theory. You try to equate the havoc humans are creating in our current ecosystems with all the ecosystems of the past: what on earth is the “proper balance”? Proper for what? Countless ecosystems and their life forms have disappeared during the last 3.X billion years, the vast majority of which had no connection with humans, and yet still you pretend that somehow they were ALL “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food!

Each system was useful in its time.

Upright posture
DAVID: upright posture requires pelvic changes and a development of lumbar lordosis, which apes do not have. [...] Did continuous attempts at bipedal locomotion produce the change? Not likely with a dependence upon chance mutations. On the other hand if provided with the proper spinal anatomy upright, posture becomes easy to manage. Design is obvious.

dhw: Why have you linked “continuous attempts” to random mutations? Even an individual human in his own lifetime can make minor changes to his/her body by “continuous attempts” – what would be the purpose of training if it were otherwise? Why is it impossible that the cell communities of which all bodies consist might with “continuous attempts” alter their structure from legs to flippers (whales), or from slouching bone structure to upright bone structure?

Back to the flimsy idea cell committees can design for future needs. No tiny steps in the fossil record refutes your conjecture.

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