More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Sunday, December 05, 2021, 16:41 (46 days ago) @ dhw

Reality: God is a mathematician

DAVID: God set automatic processes into motion for the universe, not life's evolution.

dhw: How do you know?

DAVID: I believe in what God does, has done.

dhw: And how do you know that in the context of evolution 1) God’s only aim was sapiens plus food and therefore what he “did” was specially design every life form, food, lifestyle, natural wonder etc. “as part of the goal of evolving (= designing) humans” and their food, although the vast majority had no connection with humans and their food? And how do you know that your God 1) has not “done” a free-for-all, or 2) “done” experiments, or 3) “done” creating and destroying as he comes up with more and more new ideas?

Your human God has to come up with new ideas. My God has all the purposes known in advance of all actions He performs.

Monarchs use toxic milkweed

DAVID: Again you are proposing luck.

dhw: Lucky to survive, OK. Do you deny that millions of bacteria die before the survivors come up with a solution (which is not luck)? That millions of humans have died from Covid-9, but millions have survived? Ditto every other plague in the history of humankind. Do you still refuse to accept, even today, that cells develop new responses (not luck) to new bacteria/viruses/poisons/diseases and are not already equipped with the specific “defence” against the specific invader?

Immune responses are automatic and designed by God. Ditto Monarchs


DAVID: I am agreeing that He allowed a bush of hominins, specifically because He also recognized the bacteria and viruses could make mistakes in the wrong places and a group of homo species would add advantageous attributes, as previously noted.

dhw: Since you see him as all-powerful and full of good intentions and always in control, and since you see him as having only wanted to create one species(plus food), I still don’t understand why you think he deliberately created bacteria and viruses that made all these horrific blunders, or why he had to create lots and lots of different homos with different attributes, instead of simply creating the only one he wanted along with all the attributes. Sounds like one great big mess to me, unlike my alternatives listed under “God as a mathematician”, which all fit in perfectly with the history of life.

Same point we've covered: God knew mistakes would happen beyond His editing controls so a variety of human forms would develop useful attributes using His designed protective systems.

Human evolution: bushier than ever
Quote: "To me, however, all of human evolution, even well after our own species first emerged, is a mess of branches and dead ends. Our evolutionary history is complicated, and we should embrace that."

dhw: Sums it up – a mess of branches and dead ends, but it actually applies to the whole history of evolution. Fits in perfectly with the concept of a free-for-all.

DAVID: Argumentative voices add to our thoughts. I think the dhw theory is right on, but I come with a slightly different twist. God didn't want a free-for-all.

dhw: Which of my theories do you agree with, then?

Not a free-for-all which is God not in control, but I view it as a purposeful variation as I ha ve proposed.

God is too purposeful for that.

dhw: All my theories are purposeful, including the free-for-all. You always bang on about purposefulness, but complain if I propose a purpose that goes beyond the creation of H. sapiens plus food.

DAVID: Recognizing mistakes will happen in a free-flowing human living system as it is developed. many humanlike types scattered into many environments will naturally adapt many good attributes which will contribute to the final H. sapiens product.

dhw: See above under Denisovans

Same repetition.

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