More "miscellany" (General)

by dhw, Tuesday, November 02, 2021, 12:30 (208 days ago) @ David Turell

Cosmologic philosophy: dhw said once universe too big

DAVID: [...] Purposeful with active goals achieved with full control. [...]

dhw: “Purposeful” agreed. Active goals? Why plural? You refuse to contemplate any goal beyond the design of humans plus food.

DAVID: I know your humanizing goals for your form of God. I view humans as His endpoint of creation.

dhw: And you are trying to replace the word “goal” with the word “endpoint”, which could simply mean that we are the last item on his creative agenda, as opposed to being his one and only goal from the very beginning – the claim which lies at the heart of one of our disputes since it clashes with your belief that he also specially designed lots and lots of extinct species that had no connection with humans.

DAVID: I have replaced goal with endpoint which is a more accurate way of viewing our appearance.

Since we are the last species to appear so far, the term is far less problematical than "goal", because it is not necessarily synonymous with purpose. So let’s make it nice and clear, shall we? You wish to drop the term "goal". Are you now saying that you no longer believe that humans plus food were your God’s one and only goal, and you no longer believe that every single life form and food which had no connection with humans was “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” plus food? This will at last rid us of the mantra which has caused so much repetitive discussion.

DAVID: All of evolution produced humans in stepwise fashion from God's designs.

And all of evolution also produced millions of life forms and foods in stepwise fashion that had no connection with humans, but you think humans may be the last species to be produced by the process of evolution, as opposed to being your God’s only goal or purpose. Is that right?The rest of your post repeats various subjects dealt with elsewhere. The now official switch from “goal” to “endpoint” is the new beacon of hope, since clearly it means you think the process of evolution has finished, but equally clearly it does NOT mean that every previous life form and food was part of the goal of evolving us and our food.

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