More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Thursday, October 21, 2021, 16:01 (37 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I cannot follow your reasoning, never have.

dhw: If you are all-powerful and have only one purpose right from the start, why would you devote your time to matters that have no connection with your purpose? I therefore suggest that your theory is unreasonable. And since you yourself cannot explain why he would act in this way, I’d have thought you’d be able to understand my reasoning.

The problem is you skip the obvious. God's created history tells us exactly what He did. You object to God doing it that way!!!


Cosmologic philosophy: dhw said once universe too big

DAVID: Same weird discontinuity in your view of evolution. Everyone ate all during all of evolution.

dhw: Absolutely true. But that does not mean your God specially designed every extinct form of life and food – including all those that had no connection with humans and their food - throughout 3.X billion years for the sole purpose of designing humans and their food! Stop dodging!

See above. God did exactly what you object to.


DAVID: Misuse of religion is evil, born of human free-will. Some religions have strange story inventions from human free-will minds inventing support for religious belief. I accept only the religious concept of an all powerful all knowing designer as shown by His works.

dhw: You have dismissed my theistic explanations of evolution by saying (bolded) “This is not how we religious see him” – as if somehow all believers saw him the same way. You are not “we religious”. You are “you religious”, and your personal religion does not give you the right to dismiss my different proposals regarding God’s nature because they do not coincide with what you believe.

I have every right to dismiss your humanized form of God. He is yours alone.


dhw: My argument concerning the vastness of the universe was that I could not understand why your God would create untold billions of coming-and-going stars, planets and solar systems (plus countless coming-and-going life forms and foods that had no connection with humans and their foods) if his one and only purpose was to design humans and their foods. You have no idea either, so I don’t know why you are so desperate to find a quote.

DAVID: Thank you!!! Your same illogical totally discontinuous thinking. It is a false challenge to God and His works. Because as a human you don't see the point of a giant universe doesn't mean it is wrong of God to create it.

dhw: My not understanding your theory – which you do not understand either – is a criticism of your theory, not of your God! It is your own thinking that is illogical and totally discontinuous.

A neat non-answer to the point I see in your observation: "as a human you don't see the point of a giant universe doesn't mean it is wrong of God to create it."


DAVID: I view it as an amazing creation and required to produce in the factory of exploding stars all the necessary an important elements to provide for life. History tells us God evolves everything from more simple starts, It is His history I analyze. Try it from His viewpoint.

dhw: And you cannot find a single reason why he would create an infinite number of exploding stars and a vast number of life forms in order to produce one solar system and one species (plus its food). Please stop pretending that an attack on your illogical theory is an attack on your God (if he exists).

I accept that God creates what He creates for His own reasons, the point you fight. Your personal reasoning is not His, and so you object to His creation of a giant universe. He did it, accept it.

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dhw: This will be my last post until next Monday. Important family matters….


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