More "miscellany" (General)

by David Turell @, Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 17:06 (221 days ago) @ dhw

Chimps \'r\' not us: brain genetics very different
DAVID: I'll stick to my approach that humans were God's goal over a long period of time after starting with the Big Bang and evolving everything including us. History tells us that, as I assume God made our history. So you judge God wrong in what He decided to do. Not my problem, but your strange invention.

dhw: You believe he designed every life form, including us and including countless life forms that had no connection with us. I do not judge God wrong in what he decided to do. I judge your theory of his goal and method of achieving it to be totally illogical.

I cannot follow your reasoning, never have.

Cosmologic philosophy: dhw said once universe too big
dhw: I find it ridiculous to claim that the vastness of the universe in any way proves God’s existence or his non-existence. C.S. Lewis is right about the blinkered sceptics but is totally blind to the fact that the faithful are equally blinkered, since they would claim that whatever anybody discovers will be seen as the work of their God. The vast universe is just that – a vast universe, and no human can explain it, whether theist or atheist.

DAVID: this is same argument as to why did God bothered with the whole evolutionary process of a giant bush if all He wanted was to start off some living humans with big brains? Forget the need for constant food supply.

dhw: Food supply is needed for ALL life forms, including those not connected with humans. I thought we’d agreed to drop this silly argument of yours.

DAVID: What we are able to eat is produced by balanced ecosystems in all branches of the bush of life.

dhw: But not all the branches of life that ever existed! See “giraffe plumbing” for your own demolition of this silly attempt to gloss over 3.X billion years of evolution.

Same weird discontinuity in your view of evolution. Everyone ate all during all of evolution

dhw: It is one of your pet dodges to claim that my criticism of your arguments is due to my not believing in God, whereas they are all directed against your illogical interpretation [see below] of your God’s nature, purpose(s) and methods.

DAVID: You always start with illogical thoughts about the God we believe in.

dhw: You have agreed that all my theories about a possible God’s purpose and method are logical.

Only for a highly humanized for of God.

dhw: I wonder how many believers think your God individually designed every life form in history - including all those that had no connection with humans - as “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans”, and how many believe that he deliberately created bad bacteria and viruses, and that he was incapable of designing a system of life without the errors that cause so much suffering.

You might take a survey.

DAVID: When [dhw] discusses a purposeful God, it is a God filled with human purposes which he clearly describes in free-for-alls, experimenting, changing His mind along the say, enjoying a spectacle. This is not God as we religious see Him.

dhw: See “Giraffe” and “Theodicy” on your various unreasonable views of God. And have you not noticed that you “religious” come up with a vast variety of views of your God, including those who see him as encouraging them to kill anyone who doesn’t share their views of him? And do you yourself believe your God had a son who died an agonizing death which, in some incomprehensible way, is meant to “redeem” us all. (See “Religion” in the Brief Guide for more examples of religious views.) In any case your dislike of my alternative explanations is no defence of your illogical one.

Misuse of religion is evil, born of human free-will. Some religions have strange story inventions from human free-will minds inventing support for religious belief. I accept only the religious concept of an all powerful all knowing designer as shown by His works

DAVID: Did you look for your quote about a giant universe God created just for us, not a good reason? I can't find it but you wrote it. It fits your constant illogical complaint about the giant bush of life.

dhw: This is hardly a response to my post on religion, but I can see why you wish to dodge it. My argument concerning the vastness of the universe was that I could not understand why your God would create untold billions of coming-and-going stars, planets and solar systems (plus countless coming-and-going life forms and foods that had no connection with humans and their foods) if his one and only purpose was to design humans and their foods. You have no idea either, so I don’t know why you are so desperate to find a quote.

Thank you!!! Your same illogical totally discontinuous thinking.. It is a false challenge to God and His works. Because as a human you don't see the point of a giant universe doesn't mean it is wrong of God to create it. I view it as an amazing creation and required to produce in the factory of exploding stars all the necessary an important elements to provide for life. History tells us God evolves everything from more simple starts, It is His history I analyze. Try it from His viewpoint.

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