CO2 and evolution (Introduction)
by David Turell 
, Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 20:58 (5259 days ago)
This article covers a couple billion years or so of Earth history in regard to the relationship of CO2 and temperature. What is truly amazing is that the temperature has had a wide range, but has never gotten so high as to boil away our water supply. Further the temperature has stayed in a range that would allow life and evolution to continue on a course to what we see now. There is a close relationship between CO2 and temperature but many other modifying factors are discussed.-http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627661.200-climate-control-is-co2-really-in-charge.html
CO2 and evolution
by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Saturday, July 17, 2010, 19:09 (5242 days ago) @ David Turell
This article covers a couple billion years or so of Earth history in regard to the relationship of CO2 and temperature. What is truly amazing is that the temperature has had a wide range, but has never gotten so high as to boil away our water supply. Further the temperature has stayed in a range that would allow life and evolution to continue on a course to what we see now. There is a close relationship between CO2 and temperature but many other modifying factors are discussed. > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627661.200-climate-control-is-co2-really-in-cha... looking article, lol, as usual I'm barred due to lack of subscription.
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CO2 and evolution
by David Turell , Sunday, July 18, 2010, 02:20 (5242 days ago) @ xeno6696
This article covers a couple billion years or so of Earth history in regard to the relationship of CO2 and temperature. What is truly amazing is that the temperature has had a wide range, but has never gotten so high as to boil away our water supply. Further the temperature has stayed in a range that would allow life and evolution to continue on a course to what we see now. There is a close relationship between CO2 and temperature but many other modifying factors are discussed. > > > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627661.200-climate-control-is-co2-really-in-cha... > Great looking article, lol, as usual I'm barred due to lack of subscription.-I just saw the summary also. I'm too cheap to buy every journal or article that comes along. but the summary tells us alot, and Climategate marches on.
CO2 and evolution
by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Sunday, July 18, 2010, 16:52 (5241 days ago) @ David Turell
This article covers a couple billion years or so of Earth history in regard to the relationship of CO2 and temperature. What is truly amazing is that the temperature has had a wide range, but has never gotten so high as to boil away our water supply. Further the temperature has stayed in a range that would allow life and evolution to continue on a course to what we see now. There is a close relationship between CO2 and temperature but many other modifying factors are discussed. > > > > > > http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627661.200-climate-control-is-co2-really-in-cha... > > > Great looking article, lol, as usual I'm barred due to lack of subscription. > > I just saw the summary also. I'm too cheap to buy every journal or article that comes along. but the summary tells us alot, and Climategate marches on.-I've been following a couple of the blogs you've mentioned; but I still need to ask whether or not you think that we should do nothing? In my mind--the technologies that can evolve chasing "green dollars" is worth a little bit of tribulation. I would pay 10c/gallon for a fund to encourage renewable energy growth.
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"
CO2 and evolution
by David Turell , Monday, July 19, 2010, 01:52 (5241 days ago) @ xeno6696
> I've been following a couple of the blogs you've mentioned; but I still need to ask whether or not you think that we should do nothing? In my mind--the technologies that can evolve chasing "green dollars" is worth a little bit of tribulation. I would pay 10c/gallon for a fund to encourage renewable energy growth.-No. I think we should recognize that it will take 50-100 years to convert from oil and natural gas which supply 90% currently of all automotive and engine needs. Lomborg, The Skeptical Environmentalist, is of the opinion we need to go slow and not wreck the world economy at this time. Reasonable development is called for at a reaonable pace.
CO2 and evolution
by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Monday, July 19, 2010, 16:48 (5240 days ago) @ David Turell
> > I've been following a couple of the blogs you've mentioned; but I still need to ask whether or not you think that we should do nothing? In my mind--the technologies that can evolve chasing "green dollars" is worth a little bit of tribulation. I would pay 10c/gallon for a fund to encourage renewable energy growth. > > No. I think we should recognize that it will take 50-100 years to convert from oil and natural gas which supply 90% currently of all automotive and engine needs. Lomborg, The Skeptical Environmentalist, is of the opinion we need to go slow and not wreck the world economy at this time. Reasonable development is called for at a reaonable pace.-Alright, lets play.-In the course of history you got to live through--within the course of 23 years we were able to go from simple V2 to launching a man into space. In 6 more, we extended that to the moon; this was all done through force of will and human ingenuity. As for the 50-100 year mark, how on earth can we say that when at no point in history has anyone been able to accurately predict when a new technology could be invented, when by your own logic--we aren't even in a new paradigm? A person that could have that kind of predictive power would be rich beyond his wildest dreams!-Who are you (or Lomborg) to put an arbitrary limit on human ingenuity? -The human mind is boundless!
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"
CO2 and evolution
by David Turell , Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 14:13 (5240 days ago) @ xeno6696
when by your own logic--we aren't even in a new paradigm? A person that could have that kind of predictive power would be rich beyond his wildest dreams! > > Who are you (or Lomborg) to put an arbitrary limit on human ingenuity? > > The human mind is boundless!-You misunderstand me. The Earth is not immediately doomed, if ever. I'm for development of green approaches, just not at breakneck speed. Ethanol in gas is just one example of complete stupidity, but giving a show of 'concern'. Al Gore and climate panic are just another example of current environmentalism. And what happened to the last major panic, acid rain? It is still raining, and we in Texas welcome it.
CO2 and evolution
by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 23:52 (5239 days ago) @ David Turell
when by your own logic--we aren't even in a new paradigm? A person that could have that kind of predictive power would be rich beyond his wildest dreams! > > > > Who are you (or Lomborg) to put an arbitrary limit on human ingenuity? > > > > The human mind is boundless! > > You misunderstand me. The Earth is not immediately doomed, if ever. I'm for development of green approaches, just not at breakneck speed. Ethanol in gas is just one example of complete stupidity, but giving a show of 'concern'. Al Gore and climate panic are just another example of current environmentalism. And what happened to the last major panic, acid rain? It is still raining, and we in Texas welcome it.-I joke all the time about how this part of the country would turn subtropical; hardly misfortune.-But the ethanol thing rankles me a bit: CORN-produced ethanol is a bad path--the prices of food were a result of this. However, that new "artificial life" just created this year is precisely the kind of thing that can allow mass-production of ethanol as soon as we transfer in the genes from termites that allow them to eat cellulose. From watching the research from IA State, maybe 10 years.
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\"Why is it, Master, that ascetics fight with ascetics?\"
\"It is, brahmin, because of attachment to views, adherence to views, fixation on views, addiction to views, obsession with views, holding firmly to views that ascetics fight with ascetics.\"