Afterlife (Endings)

by dhw, Tuesday, June 03, 2008, 13:10 (6015 days ago)

Cary is betting on "a just afterlife". - In the "near-death episodes" thread, David Turell drew our attention to the work of Pim van Lommel, and I have since read a book called AUFERSTEHUNG 
[= Resurrection] by Jörg Zink, in which he also refers to research involving similar experiences: out-of-body, tunnel, extraordinary light and peace, contact with people who had died etc. In the Zink references, the people concerned saw their own lives in a sort of lightning flashback, though I don't recall this being mentioned in the van Lommel accounts. - That thread rapidly moved away from its starting-point, but I would like to come back to it, in the hope that others may share their views and/or experiences. In particular, I would ask the following questions. 1) What other evidence is there of life after death? 2) How do sceptics account for the comparative uniformity of experiences shared by hundreds of people? 3) How do believers conceive of an afterlife? (Cary himself talks of "duration being sustained until all just payments are made - both rewards and punishments." Christians talk of a Day of Judgment.)

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by George Jelliss ⌂ @, Crewe, Tuesday, June 03, 2008, 13:36 (6015 days ago) @ dhw

My position on this is quite simple. There is not and cannot be any kind of afterlife. This is because our personality, soul, character or whatever you want to call it, is a function of the configuration and activity of our brains and nervous system. When we die all this is lost. Anyone who claims otherwise needs to explain how such characteristics are transferred to some other etherial medium. In response to your specific questions: - 1) What other evidence is there of life after death? None whatsoever. And I don't accept the scientific validity of the anecdotal evidence of Zink, van Lommel and others such as Colin Wilson. - 2) How do sceptics account for the comparative uniformity of experiences shared by hundreds of people? All human brains work in much the same way. - 3) How do believers conceive of an afterlife? I've had discussions of their views with many believers of all sorts, e.g. at Interfaith Fellowship meetings, and find they all either believe entirely different and incompatible things, or are hopelessly vague about what they think really happens.

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by Cary Cook @, Wednesday, June 04, 2008, 05:34 (6014 days ago) @ dhw

The believers I'm familiar with conceive of an afterlife according to whatever books they consider authoritative.
In general, pantheists go for reincarnation, monotheists for one eternal hooraw. I would consider reincarnation more reasonable, despite the fact that pantheism is inherently irrational, in the sense of having some parts of God contradict other parts.

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by David Turell @, Thursday, June 05, 2008, 02:20 (6014 days ago) @ dhw

DHW referred to my bringing up the issue of afterlife in 'near to death' episodes, a previous thread. There are a number of verified episodes of a dying person, with no chance of communication outside of their place of dying, coming back from a near to death episode with the knowledge gained during that episode that someone they knew had just died. I heard the testimony on Houston radio from a hospice physician who was amazed by this, as it had happened to several of his patients. There are many books and articles that mention this phenomenon.
The dying patients claim they learned this at the end of the tunnel from persons on the other side. The'other side' contains persons in the afterlife is the claim of these dying patients. Hallucinations don't invent real information.

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by Cary Cook @, Friday, June 06, 2008, 08:28 (6012 days ago) @ David Turell

That's impressive! Do you have any references on it?

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by David Turell @, Saturday, June 07, 2008, 02:38 (6012 days ago) @ Cary Cook

Cary: There are many references in many books going back to Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and Dr. Raymond Moody in the 1970's. Unfortunately, I'm too busy moving at the moment, or I'd pull many references out of my book, and point out more since then. Try Googling Near to Death and see what comes up.

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