The Next Big Bang: Human Consciousness & the Universe (The limitations of science)

by dhw, Saturday, February 25, 2017, 11:17 (358 days ago) @ David Turell

BBELLA's comment: It seems that science is in the midst of deducing that the only constant or "definite state" is the observational capacity of the consciousness/mind.

dhw: Science is supposed to require the testing of theories, so let me vary my invitation to all these theoretical dreamers: instead of stepping in front of a moving bus, I suggest they jump out of an airplane from 10,000 feet without a parachute. That may help them to find out whether it is or is not only the mind that confers material properties on the material world, though I suspect they will have to leave it to others to record the results of the test.

DAVID: Are you really missing BBella's point? These quantum considerations are real. No question our conscious observations affect the results. I again remind you of late choice experiments. This is at the particle/wave micro level. But I do agree with you that at the gross real world of our reality, the bus and Earth are solid. Both levels of reality are real. The issue is can we combine them in understanding how they relate?

Of course both levels of reality are real, but BBella has pointed out what to me seems to be the absurd conclusion these theorists are heading towards. The fact that our conscious observations affect the results of certain experiments does not in any way show that our own solid reality is less real than the so far unexplained reality of the quantum world. Call me crazy if you like, but I really and truly believe that the sun and the stars and volcanoes and oceans would continue to go their own merry way even if there were no conscious minds to observe them.

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