Liberal vs. Conservative (Introduction)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 03:56 (5518 days ago) @ David Turell

I don't know how you define 'social conservatism'. Looking at your responses I'd say you are leaning well to the conservative side. 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservatism
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> > This hits what I would define as "social conservatism" 
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> From Wiki:
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> "The accepted meaning of traditional morality often differs from group to group within social conservatism. Thus, there are really no policies or positions that could be considered universal among social conservatives. There are, however, a number of principles to which at least a majority of social conservatives adhere. Social conservatives in many countries generally: favor the pro-life position in the abortion controversy and oppose embryonic stem cell research; support the death penalty for murder; oppose same-sex marriage and other marriages social conservatives consider the establishment of to be contrary to traditional marriage; and the nuclear family model as society's foundational unit; oppose expansion of civil marriage and child adoption rights to couples in same-sex relationships; promote public morality and traditional family values; oppose secularism and privatization of religious belief; support the prohibition of drugs, prostitution, premarital sex, non-marital sex and euthanasia; and support the censorship of pornography and what they consider to be obscenity or indecency."
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> For me it is a mixed bag from Wiki. I am for abortion, I want stem cell research in all forms, for the death penalty, oppose same sex marriage, but want civil unions with the same tax and other legal rights. I would legalize drugs, prostitution, and euthanasia. Pornography for those who want it is fine; I would limit avalability by age. I want adoption by traditional married couples.
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> So I don't know how you can 'hate' this category in a lump. There are so many laws with criminality attached, that all of us in a our everyday life are breaking laws. Is this what you hate? I know I do.-To me, law's only real purpose is to allow exaction of vengeance by the public onto private citizens who harm people or property, or violate individual property rights. The gay marriage thing shouldn't even be an issue; in your own words, a civil union is identical to a marriage. Just call it marriage and get rid of the false distinction. Some religions (obviously) do not have an issue with gay marriage and therefore abrogating this right is an overreach by government for the purpose of instituting a social norm. I would extend this to polygamy; as long as we're talking about individuals that are of legal age to sign a marriage contract, there is no harm done. Our constitution allows the "pursuit of happiness," as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights. Gay marriage doesn't infringe on the rights of heterosexuals.

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