Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time (General)
by BBella , Wednesday, August 17, 2016, 20:18 (3018 days ago)
dhw has encouraged me to post some of my tidbits and findings that I often come across while searching the web, that could perhaps be of interest to others that filter in and out of the forum and that might spark a discussion or shine a bit of light on our current discussions. - I just found this interesting excerpt from a book while searching the web for answers to a question I had on patterns and quantum physics. - http://www.expressionsofspirit.com/quantumphysics.htm - Comment: In this intriguing look at quantum physics and the nature of the physical world the author explores the break-through concepts of modern science that support the ancient beliefs put forth by eastern and indigenous teachings that we live in a world of illusion. The physical world in fact is both particle and wave and is unified in one interacting whole. The concept that we are "light beings" takes on a clearer meaning through this revelation.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by David Turell , Thursday, August 18, 2016, 00:05 (3018 days ago) @ BBella
BBella: dhw has encouraged me to post some of my tidbits and findings that I often come across while searching the web, that could perhaps be of interest to others that filter in and out of the forum and that might spark a discussion or shine a bit of light on our current discussions. > > I just found this interesting excerpt from a book while searching the web for answers to a question I had on patterns and quantum physics. > > > http://www.expressionsofspirit.com/quantumphysics.htm > > > Comment: In this intriguing look at quantum physics and the nature of the physical world the author explores the break-through concepts of modern science that support the ancient beliefs put forth by eastern and indigenous teachings that we live in a world of illusion. The physical world in fact is both particle and wave and is unified in one interacting whole. The concept that we are "light beings" takes on a clearer meaning through this revelation.-I'm glad you were encouraged to enter article. This is a great one as a suggestion of the mystical side of quantum findings. I repeat, the Kabballah states we are people of light. Quantum results are always affected by the experimenter's conscious choices.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by dhw, Thursday, August 18, 2016, 21:12 (3017 days ago) @ David Turell
BBELLA: I just found this interesting excerpt from a book while searching the web for answers to a question I had on patterns and quantum physics. - http://www.expressionsofspirit.com/quantumphysics.htm - BBELLA's comment: In this intriguing look at quantum physics and the nature of the physical world the author explores the break-through concepts of modern science that support the ancient beliefs put forth by eastern and indigenous teachings that we live in a world of illusion. The physical world in fact is both particle and wave and is unified in one interacting whole. The concept that we are "light beings" takes on a clearer meaning through this revelation. - This is a very dense and thought-provoking article, and I shall need more time to respond. Meanwhile, many thanks for posting it.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by dhw, Friday, August 19, 2016, 12:11 (3016 days ago) @ BBella
PART ONE-BBELLA: I just found this interesting excerpt from a book while searching the web for answers to a question I had on patterns and quantum physics.http://www.expressionsofspirit.com/quantumphysics.htm-It certainly is an intriguing article, and I hope you won't mind if I select quotes which I find particularly interesting. I am, however, splashing around in unfamiliar waters, and it may well be that some of my comments will be totally out of order. That is fine. I am in no position to teach, and make these comments with a view to learning. If I say what I don't understand, or what seems wrong to me, then we may get clarification. First, though, let me quote David: DAVID: Quantum results are always affected by the experimenter's conscious choices.-For me, this alone throws into question your claim that there is such a thing as a “planned construction pattern” with an “integrated quantum plan”.-QUOTE: We may then consider every cell in the human body as a library of information.-It would be interesting to know whether the writer believes each library contains its own librarian!-QUOTE: At this level it is strikingly evident that there may be no objective physical reality at all. What the scientific community once thought was there in the sub-atomic realm and what the educated world was taught to perceive as real simply does not exist… Niels Bohr, who is regarded as the father of quantum physics, pointed out that a particle only becomes a particle when someone is looking at it. The new physics tells us that the observer cannot observe anything without changing what he sees.-These comments are extended to the whole of what we call “reality” (see below), and we seem once more to be entering the realm of epistemology. For me, the fact that physical reality can only be observed subjectively does not mean there is no objective physical reality. It simply means that we cannot know what that objective reality is. The nearest we can get is consensus. If you and I and a billion others agree that there is a bright object in the sky and we shall call it the sun, I personally would regard it as pretty stupid to believe that the sun does not have an objective existence, or that my looking at it is causing it to change.-QUOTE: Moreover, Princeton researchers Brenda I. Dunne and Robert G. Jahn have shown that this concept is not limited to the microworld of quantum interactions. Astonishingly, they have, through a series of well documented experiments, established that our minds, our intent, can alter the outcome of events. The implications of these findings are far reaching and significant for the world of everyday activity and human interaction. They imply that by our conscious intent we bring into manifestation what we want to perceive-that we can and do shape our reality.-It's a pity they don't give concrete examples. Altering the outcome of events is very different from changing the objects of our perception and shaping our physical reality. It would indeed be astonishing if scientists could prove that by wanting to perceive the sun as a bar of chocolate, I could actually make it into a bar of chocolate. But perhaps I have totally misunderstood what they are saying!-QUOTE: If our bodies, at least metaphorically, are made of frozen light, they maintain the characteristics of light, which means they have frequency. Matter then may be thought of as light of a higher density. Thus, drawing on the implications of modern physics, we can conclude that human beings are made of light held in matter. How does “metaphorically” translate into human beings and all other forms of matter actually BEING light? Why not energy held in matter? The next quote exacerbates my confusion:-QUOTE: It is important to stress that Gerber's concept of matter as frozen light may not be merely metaphoric. Gerber describes the cellular matrix of the physical body as a complex energy interference pattern, interpenetrated by the organizing bio energetic field of the etheric body. The physical body is therefore an energy field, and the field is made up of segments of vibration.-So we are light held in matter (which is a "higher density" light anyway), though this may or may not be a metaphor, our cells are a complex energy interference pattern, and our physical body is an energy field made up of segments of vibration. We know that light is a form of energy, but that does not mean all energy is a form of light, so what does this actually mean? That all matter, energy and vibrations are light, or light is energy plus vibrations? What are these “vibrations”? You must forgive my ignorance, but there are probably others out there who are just as confused as I am.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by dhw, Friday, August 19, 2016, 12:17 (3016 days ago) @ dhw
PART TWO - QUOTE: The Nobel Prize winning physicist David Bohm has written about what he calls the implicate order of the holographic universe. This concept suggests that the entire universe is an ever-changing cosmic hologram that is layered with information. Each layer holds a higher order of information and each higher order is enfolded in an aspect of space/time. The higher order may be thought of as consciousness that filters wave-like into form. Because it is a hologram, every segment contains information about the entire universe. Thus, consciousness is indeed in all things. Light is both the medium and the message. - Firstly, I don't understand why it has to be a hologram. Why can't it simply be what it appears to be: matter and energy layered with information? Why does a hologram enable something to contain information about the entire universe? And why must every segment contain information about the entire universe for there to be consciousness in all things (an extreme form of panpsychism)? Do we believe that a lump of rock is conscious? A lump of rock certainly contains information (what it is composed of, how it came into existence, what experiences it has undergone during that existence), but I would suggest that only a conscious mind like ours can extract such information. How does panpsychism lead to the conclusion that light is the medium and the message? QUOTE: What these concepts tell us is that, at the heart of our universe, there are no separate parts to anything, and that everything is connected to everything else. Moreover, they explain how information can be transferred superluminously, or faster than the speed of light. For example, if two photons are non-locally connected, communication between them can be instantaneous because they are not truly separate. - Now we are linking up with the realms of philosophy and religion, and I find it exciting to see this link being established between mysticism and science. QUOTE: These discoveries from quantum physics have important implications for the evolution of human consciousness predicted by the Andean prophecies. As Bohm states, the world is an "unbroken wholeness"; everything is non-locally interconnected. We need to learn to perceive holistically because our world and the entire universe is actually interconnected. It is erroneous to continue to perceive our world as a conglomeration of separate, unrelated parts… Moreover, this holistic way of perceiving the world mirrors the teachings of ancient people such as the Inca. … Buddhist and Hindu teachings have long told us that everything is energy dancing in form, and that the dance is a continuous weaving of the form and the formless. Now research from the frontiers of science is telling us the same thing. - I find the Buddhist and Hindu teachings far easier to understand than the teachings relating to a holographic universe in which everything is conscious, every segment contains information about everything, and all matter is conscious light. But thank you, BBella, for this. You have opened up many dark areas, and I hope the above manifestations of my own ignorance will eventually lead to some “enlightenment”.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by David Turell , Friday, August 19, 2016, 20:17 (3016 days ago) @ dhw
PART TWO > > dhw: QUOTE: The Nobel Prize winning physicist David Bohm has written about what he calls the implicate order of the holographic universe. This concept suggests that the entire universe is an ever-changing cosmic hologram that is layered with information. Each layer holds a higher order of information and each higher order is enfolded in an aspect of space/time. The higher order may be thought of as consciousness that filters wave-like into form. Because it is a hologram, every segment contains information about the entire universe. Thus, consciousness is indeed in all things. Light is both the medium and the message. > > Firstly, I don't understand why it has to be a hologram. Why can't it simply be what it appears to be: matter and energy layered with information? Why does a hologram enable something to contain information about the entire universe?-Because it carries all the information necessary to make an apparent figure before your eyes.-> dhw;How does panpsychism lead to the conclusion that light is the medium and the message?-I have no answer for that. > > dhw: QUOTE: What these concepts tell us is that, at the heart of our universe, there are no separate parts to anything, and that everything is connected to everything else. Moreover, they explain how information can be transferred superluminously, or faster than the speed of light. For example, if two photons are non-locally connected, communication between them can be instantaneous because they are not truly separate. > > Now we are linking up with the realms of philosophy and religion, and I find it exciting to see this link being established between mysticism and science.-No. The quote contains absolutely true quantum facts! No philosophy here! > > dhw: QUOTE: These discoveries from quantum physics have important implications for the evolution of human consciousness predicted by the Andean prophecies. As Bohm states, the world is an "unbroken wholeness"; everything is non-locally interconnected. We need to learn to perceive holistically because our world and the entire universe is actually interconnected. It is erroneous to continue to perceive our world as a conglomeration of separate, unrelated parts… > Moreover, this holistic way of perceiving the world mirrors the teachings of ancient people such as the Inca. … Buddhist and Hindu teachings have long told us that everything is energy dancing in form, and that the dance is a continuous weaving of the form and the formless. Now research from the frontiers of science is telling us the same thing. > > dhw: I find the Buddhist and Hindu teachings far easier to understand than the teachings relating to a holographic universe in which everything is conscious, every segment contains information about everything, and all matter is conscious light. But thank you, BBella, for this. You have opened up many dark areas, and I hope the above manifestations of my own ignorance will eventually lead to some “enlightenment”.-I hope you have learned from this. Bohm, whom I've read, made very important points to consider about the strangeness of the quantum world we live in.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by dhw, Saturday, August 20, 2016, 11:57 (3015 days ago) @ David Turell
DAVID: Quantum results are always affected by the experimenter's conscious choices. dhw: For me, this alone throws into question your claim that there is such a thing as a “planned construction pattern” with an “integrated quantum plan”.-DAVID: You are incorrect. The particles' properties are well understood. The aspect of the researcher's consciousness affects the result as a wave or particle form, changes in late choice decisions and so forth. All researchers understand the role of conscious decisions.-I am not querying our knowledge of the properties of known particles, and I am not querying the fact that consciousness affects the behaviour of known particles! I just don't see how this proves that they are all part of a plan, let alone an integrated plan, let alone an integrated plan which strongly suggests that God exists. DHW: For me, the fact that physical reality can only be observed subjectively does not mean there is no objective physical reality. It simply means that we cannot know what that objective reality is. DAVID: Reality is behind the quantum wall of probability. This is what Ruth Kastner was trying to tell you.-Please explain how this statement contradicts my own.-dhw: It's a pity they don't give concrete examples. Altering the outcome of events is very different from changing the objects of our perception and shaping our physical reality. It would indeed be astonishing if scientists could prove that by wanting to perceive the sun as a bar of chocolate, I could actually make it into a bar of chocolate. But perhaps I have totally misunderstood what they are saying! DAVID: They are referring to known examples of 'late choice' experiments when a late decision changes the beginning results! Conscious choice changes results since quanta can be several things at once.-I know what they are referring to. But from these experiments they conclude that the whole of our everyday reality may be an illusion, and that we can shape it as we wish. If you accept this, please give me a concrete example of an everyday physical, perceivable reality outside yourself which you can change through your consciousness alone. dhw: So we are light held in matter (which is a "higher density" light anyway), though this may or may not be a metaphor, our cells are a complex energy interference pattern, and our physical body is an energy field made up of segments of vibration. We know that light is a form of energy, but that does not mean all energy is a form of light, so what does this actually mean? That all matter, energy and vibrations are light, or light is energy plus vibrations? What are these “vibrations”? You must forgive my ignorance, but there are probably others out there who are just as confused as I am. DAVID: They are making the point that photons (perhaps over-making it), are everywhere. Just as in life protons are everywhere carrying the energy of life.-I have no problem understanding that photons and protons are everywhere, but I'm afraid that doesn't resolve my confusion concerning all the above. -dhw: QUOTE: …Because it is a hologram, every segment contains information about the entire universe. Thus, consciousness is indeed in all things. Light is both the medium and the message. Firstly, I don't understand why it has to be a hologram. Why can't it simply be what it appears to be: matter and energy layered with information? Why does a hologram enable something to contain information about the entire universe? DAVID: Because it carries all the information necessary to make an apparent figure before your eyes.-Why must an apparent figure contain information about the entire universe? If it does carry all that information, why can't actual matter and actual energy do the same?-QUOTE: What these concepts tell us is that, at the heart of our universe, there are no separate parts to anything, and that everything is connected to everything else… Dhw: Now we are linking up with the realms of philosophy and religion, and I find it exciting to see this link being established between mysticism and science.-DAVID: No. The quote contains absolutely true quantum facts! No philosophy here! -What are you saying ”no” to? I was enthusing over the fact that science (“true quantum facts”) was LINKING UP with philosophy etc., by confirming that everything is connected to everything else, as in certain eastern religions. -DAVID: I hope you have learned from this. Bohm, whom I've read, made very important points to consider about the strangeness of the quantum world we live in. All our discussions are part of an ongoing learning process, for which I am extremely grateful. The world we take for granted is just as strange as the quantum world (but that doesn't make it more or less “real”), since we have absolutely no idea how life originated, what it actually is, or how matter can be aware of itself. I don't know how much light will be shed on these mysteries by studies of the quantum world, but somehow I doubt that all quantum physicists will eventually conclude that there is a God hiding behind the “quantum wall of probability”.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by David Turell , Saturday, August 20, 2016, 16:21 (3015 days ago) @ dhw
> dhw: I am not querying our knowledge of the properties of known particles, and I am not querying the fact that consciousness affects the behaviour of known particles! I just don't see how this proves that they are all part of a plan, let alone an integrated plan, let alone an integrated plan which strongly suggests that God exists. -That is my conclusion, which cannot be proven. > > DHW: For me, the fact that physical reality can only be observed subjectively does not mean there is no objective physical reality. It simply means that we cannot know what that objective reality is. > DAVID: Reality is behind the quantum wall of probability. This is what Ruth Kastner was trying to tell you. > > dhw: Please explain how this statement contradicts my own.-It doesn't. We will always be separated from ultimate reality. > [/i]-> DAVID: They are referring to known examples of 'late choice' experiments when a late decision changes the beginning results! Conscious choice changes results since quanta can be several things at once. > > dhw:bI know what they are referring to. But from these experiments they conclude that the whole of our everyday reality may be an illusion, and that we can shape it as we wish. If you accept this, please give me a concrete example of an everyday physical, perceivable reality outside yourself which you can change through your consciousness alone.-I can't and you can't. It is only seen in experiments of quantum manipulation.-> DAVID: They are making the point that photons (perhaps over-making it), are everywhere. Just as in life protons are everywhere carrying the energy of life. > > dhw: I have no problem understanding that photons and protons are everywhere, but I'm afraid that doesn't resolve my confusion concerning all the above. -It is not clear to me either, just a mystical proposal. > > dhw: Why must an apparent figure contain information about the entire universe? If it does carry all that information, why can't actual matter and actual energy do the same?-They can. At times you try for deeper meanings. These are all just some folks theories that don't really explain anything > > QUOTE: What these concepts tell us is that, at the heart of our universe, there are no separate parts to anything, and that everything is connected to everything else-> > dhw: What are you saying ”no” to? I was enthusing over the fact that science (“true quantum facts”) was LINKING UP with philosophy etc., by confirming that everything is connected to everything else, as in certain eastern religions. -I'm looking at physical links. The whole universe is connected, but philosophic links are a connection I didn't recognize in what you wrote.-> dhw: I don't know how much light will be shed on these mysteries by studies of the quantum world, but somehow I doubt that all quantum physicists will eventually conclude that there is a God hiding behind the “quantum wall of probability”.-Yes, there will never be proof of it, but our entire reality is based on a quantum foundation.
Quantum Physics: More causality weirdness
by David Turell , Saturday, August 20, 2016, 21:43 (3015 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by David Turell, Saturday, August 20, 2016, 21:48
Who or what came first can be confusing in this experiment:-https://www.newscientist.com/article/2101749-quantum-trick-sees-two-things-happen-before-and-after-each-other/-"You may have heard of the double-slit experiment, in which a single particle fired at two small gaps appears to interfere with itself, as if it had passed through both slits at once. That happens because, until it is measured by a detector on the other side, the particle is in a quantum superposition of two states. In some sense it is able to take both paths.-"It's weird, and difficult to wrap your head around, but now a team at the University of Vienna in Austria have performed a different kind of experiment that is even more mind-bending: putting the order of events into a superposition. Normally, it's easy for us to say that event A happens before event B, or vice versa. But Giulia Rubino and her colleagues have created a superposition in which these seemingly contradictory scenarios are in superposition. “If you put together quantum mechanics and causal relations, a situation arises in which there is no pre-defined causal order,” she says. “It's counter-intuitive.”-"Their experiment involves sending a photon through two collections of optical devices, labelled Alice and Bob. These devices transform the quantum state of the photon in different ways, so that going through Alice, then Bob produces a different outcome to Bob, then Alice. “The fact that A is applied before B or B is applied before A actually changes the results,” says Rubino.-"To picture how that works, imagine the photon is a present intended for a third party. Alice likes to wrap presents, while Bob prefers a simple ribbon tied into a bow. If Alice gets her hands on the present first, she wraps it and then passes it to Bob, who puts a bow on. If Bob gets it first, Alice's wrapping covers the bow, resulting in a different outcome. Things are slightly more complicated for the photon, as Alice and Bob can perform different actions with a certain probability, so there are more than two possible outcomes.-"In the team's experiment, a kind of quantum switch controls which path the photon takes, and thus the order in which Alice and Bob act. To mess with causality, they place this switch itself in a superposition, meaning that in a sense, both act first.-"Of course, that's not quite what's happening, just as the particle in the double slit experiment doesn't truly go through both slits at once - it's just we don't have the language to describe the truly weird nature of the quantum realm that bubbles beneath our layer of reality. (my bold) “'Time itself might be undefined in these situations,” says team member Mateus Araújo. “The whole confusion with quantum mechanics is unfamiliarity, something that just doesn't match our macroscopic, classical experience.”-***-"We're really pushing the mysteries and confusion of quantum physics to the absolute limit,” says Matty Hoban at the University of Oxford. “We don't have a good picture of what reality is.” (my bold)-Comment: the two bolds are exactly my point. It seems as if the reality we experience is grounded in quick sand. The comment I heard years ago that God must exist because of quantum mechanics as the basis of everything, somehow makes sense to me as God remains effectively cancelled from us.-This setup totally confused the concept of causality and time. But since quantum particles are connected all over the universe, in that sense the speed of light to communicate information, and the sense of elapsed time are not necessarily present
Quantum Physics: More causality weirdness
by dhw, Sunday, August 21, 2016, 11:46 (3014 days ago) @ David Turell
DAVID: Who or what came first can be confusing in this experiment:-https://www.newscientist.com/article/2101749-quantum-trick-sees-two-things-happen-befor...-QUOTE: Normally, it's easy for us to say that event A happens before event B, or vice versa. But Giulia Rubino and her colleagues have created a superposition in which these seemingly contradictory scenarios are in superposition. “If you put together quantum mechanics and causal relations, a situation arises in which there is no pre-defined causal order,” she says. “It's counter-intuitive.” Of course, that's not quite what's happening, just as the particle in the double slit experiment doesn't truly go through both slits at once - it's just we don't have the language to describe the truly weird nature of the quantum realm that bubbles beneath our layer of reality. (David's bold)-“'Time itself might be undefined in these situations,” says team member Mateus Araújo. “The whole confusion with quantum mechanics is unfamiliarity, something that just doesn't match our macroscopic, classical experience.”-"We're really pushing the mysteries and confusion of quantum physics to the absolute limit,” says Matty Hoban at the University of Oxford. “We don't have a good picture of what reality is.” (David's bold)-David's comment: the two bolds are exactly my point. It seems as if the reality we experience is grounded in quick sand.-Here is another astonishing experiment conducted by Quantum Physics Professor Mia Pratt, from the University of London. She read about a research project at Princeton, which concluded that “there may be no objective reality at all”, and their findings implied “that by our conscious intent we bring into manifestation what we want to perceive - that we can and do shape our reality” (my bold). Another research project threw into question the causal order of events, which led a prominent retired physician to comment “it seems as if the reality we experience is grounded in quick sand.” At 4.30 pm on Friday 19 August 2016, at the height of the rush hour, Professor Pratt positioned herself on the pavement between bus stops in Oxford Street, to wait for a 159 bus (we do not know why it had to be a 159, but quantum science is a weird business). At 5 pm (London buses are often a long time a'comin') the bus came into view. At 5.01 pm, she stepped from the pavement into the road. Eyewitnesses all agree that her face was contorted with intense concentration, as if she were somehow making a conscious effort to shape her reality. Her obituary, written by her esteemed colleague Professor Ivor Theery, will appear in The Times tomorrow. I have had a sneak preview. He concludes: “It seems as if the reality we experience may not be grounded in quicksand after all.”
Quantum Physics: More causality weirdness
by David Turell , Sunday, August 21, 2016, 18:11 (3014 days ago) @ dhw
David's comment: the two bolds are exactly my point. It seems as if the reality we experience is grounded in quick sand. > > dhw; Here is another astonishing experiment conducted by Quantum Physics Professor Mia Pratt, from the University of London. She read about a research project at Princeton, which concluded that “there may be no objective reality at all”, and their findings implied “that by our conscious intent we bring into manifestation what we want to perceive - that we can and do shape our reality” (my bold). Another research project threw into question the causal order of events, which led a prominent retired physician to comment “it seems as if the reality we experience is grounded in quick sand.” At 4.30 pm on Friday 19 August 2016, at the height of the rush hour, Professor Pratt positioned herself on the pavement between bus stops in Oxford Street, to wait for a 159 bus (we do not know why it had to be a 159, but quantum science is a weird business). At 5 pm (London buses are often a long time a'comin') the bus came into view. At 5.01 pm, she stepped from the pavement into the road. Eyewitnesses all agree that her face was contorted with intense concentration, as if she were somehow making a conscious effort to shape her reality. Her obituary, written by her esteemed colleague Professor Ivor Theery, will appear in The Times tomorrow. I have had a sneak preview. He concludes: “It seems as if the reality we experience may not be grounded in quicksand after all.”-It seems Professor Pratt went splat!. Her mea culpa.
Quantum Physics: More causality weirdness
by David Turell , Thursday, October 26, 2017, 15:30 (2583 days ago) @ David Turell
Delayed choice from space satellites is proven!
https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/light-bounced-off-satellites-confirms-quantum-weirdness
"That light behaves as both a particle and a wave has been known since the 1920s, when experiments demonstrated that light entering a plate with two vertical slits would show a classical interference pattern with itself when it reached a screen behind the plate, exactly as one would expect if light were a wave.
"The problem was that if individual detectors were placed at the slits, experimenters found that a single photon would enter one slit but not the other, thereby behaving like a particle. Furthermore, light thus measured would not show an interference pattern.
"That light seemed to know what experimenters were doing and change its behaviour accordingly is one of the many unsettling conclusions of quantum physics – but it gets weirder with the idea that light somehow makes its decision retroactively.
"The late American physicist John Wheeler first posited what became known as the “delayed choice” experiment as part of a series of thought experiments he began publishing in 1978. His Gedankenexperiments went one step further than the classical double slit. The photons were not observed going through the plate, but instead were measured afterwards.
"He theorised that they would still behave as particles, despite not “knowing” they were being measured until after passing through the plate. Experiments conducted in 2007 by French scientists confirmed this was precisely what happened.
"An even more ambitious thought experiment used light from a distant quasar being gravitationally lensed through gravity, raising the notion that a photon “chose” to behave either as a particle or wave based on the actions of an experiment carried out many millions of years after it was created.
"And this peculiar time-bending behaviour was confirmed in a paper published this week in Science Advances.
"An Italian team led by Francesco Vedovato from the Università degli Studi di Padova performed an elegant variation of Wheeler’s original concept by firing a pulsed laser into a beam splitter which directed the light to satellites in low Earth orbit. These reflected the light back to Earth, with the choice to activate a second beam splitter made by the team while the light was in transit – much like the light from Wheeler’s hypothetical quasar.
"The result from the ground stations was exactly as predicted: the light exhibited either wave-like or particle-like behaviour depending on the actions of the observers. And while low Earth orbit is not exactly the vast distances proposed by Wheeler, it appears to confirm that the quantum universe still behaves in disturbingly weird ways."
Comment: As weird as ever. Quantum mechanics is the basis of the universe. How can we understand God if His mechanics are so illogical?
Quantum Physics:causality weirdness time entangled
by David Turell , Saturday, February 03, 2018, 15:38 (2483 days ago) @ David Turell
New experimentation shows that time is also entangled making the confusion about quantum physics even worse:
https://aeon.co/ideas/you-thought-quantum-mechanics-was-weird-check-out-entangled-time?...
"Up to today, most experiments have tested entanglement over spatial gaps. The assumption is that the ‘nonlocal’ part of quantum nonlocality refers to the entanglement of properties across space. But what if entanglement also occurs across time? Is there such a thing as temporal nonlocality?
"The answer, as it turns out, is yes. Just when you thought quantum mechanics couldn’t get any weirder, a team of physicists at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem reported in 2013 that they had successfully entangled photons that never coexisted. Previous experiments involving a technique called ‘entanglement swapping’ had already showed quantum correlations across time, by delaying the measurement of one of the coexisting entangled particles; but Eli Megidish and his collaborators were the first to show entanglement between photons whose lifespans did not overlap at all.
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"The upshot? The data revealed the existence of quantum correlations between ‘temporally nonlocal’ photons 1 and 4. That is, entanglement can occur across two quantum systems that never coexisted.
"What on Earth can this mean? Prima facie, it seems as troubling as saying that the polarity of starlight in the far-distant past – say, greater than twice Earth’s lifetime – nevertheless influenced the polarity of starlight falling through your amateur telescope this winter. Even more bizarrely: maybe it implies that the measurements carried out by your eye upon starlight falling through your telescope this winter somehow dictated the polarity of photons more than 9 billion years old.
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"Lest this scenario strike you as too outlandish, Megidish and his colleagues can’t resist speculating on possible and rather spooky interpretations of their results. Perhaps the measurement of photon 1’s polarisation at step II somehow steers the future polarisation of 4, or the measurement of photon 4’s polarisation at step V somehow rewrites the past polarisation state of photon 1. In both forward and backward directions, quantum correlations span the causal void between the death of one photon and the birth of the other.
"Just a spoonful of relativity helps the spookiness go down, though. In developing his theory of special relativity, Einstein deposed the concept of simultaneity from its Newtonian pedestal. As a consequence, simultaneity went from being an absolute property to being a relative one. There is no single timekeeper for the Universe; precisely when something is occurring depends on your precise location relative to what you are observing, known as your frame of reference. So the key to avoiding strange causal behaviour (steering the future or rewriting the past) in instances of temporal separation is to accept that calling events ‘simultaneous’ carries little metaphysical weight. It is only a frame-specific property, a choice among many alternative but equally viable ones – a matter of convention, or record-keeping.
"The lesson carries over directly to both spatial and temporal quantum nonlocality. Mysteries regarding entangled pairs of particles amount to disagreements about labelling, brought about by relativity. Einstein showed that no sequence of events can be metaphysically privileged – can be considered more real – than any other. Only by accepting this insight can one make headway on such quantum puzzles.
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"Most contemporary philosophical accounts of the relationship between objects and their properties embrace entanglement solely from the perspective of spatial nonlocality. But there’s still significant work to be done on incorporating temporal nonlocality – not only in object-property discussions, but also in debates over material composition (such as the relation between a lump of clay and the statue it forms), and part-whole relations (such as how a hand relates to a limb, or a limb to a person). For example, the ‘puzzle’ of how parts fit with an overall whole presumes clear-cut spatial boundaries among underlying components, yet spatial nonlocality cautions against this view. Temporal nonlocality further complicates this picture: how does one describe an entity whose constituent parts are not even coexistent?"
Comment: "Temporal nonlocality" certainly does complicate our understanding of the quantum layer of our reality, and using relativity is only partial help. The cat is still both alive and dead.
Quantum Physics: recent theories
by David Turell , Saturday, May 26, 2018, 22:05 (2371 days ago) @ David Turell
No one has solved any of the reality problems. It is the basis of the universe. I cannot shrink this down with any sense of continuity. About a 10 minute read and perhaps worth it if you mind being confused:
https://aeon.co/essays/what-really-happens-in-schrodinger-s-box?utm_source=Aeon+Newslet...
Quantum Physics: recent theories
by dhw, Sunday, May 27, 2018, 11:01 (2370 days ago) @ David Turell
DAVID: No one has solved any of the reality problems. It is the basis of the universe. I cannot shrink this down with any sense of continuity. About a 10 minute read and perhaps worth it if you mind being confused:
https://aeon.co/essays/what-really-happens-in-schrodinger-s-box?utm_source=Aeon+Newslet...
I decided to take the plunge, and have cherry-picked two quotes which greatly appeal to me. The first of these recognizes the reality we know and can test. For me it is absurd to assume that this is somehow less real than something we simply do not understand. That is why I invite all the theorists to step in front of a bus.
1ST QUOTE: If we cannot get a coherent story about physical reality from the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory and we cannot get a scientifically adequate one from many-worlds theory, where do we turn? We could, as some physicists suggest, simply give up on the hope of finding any description of an objective external reality. But it is very hard to see how to do this without also giving up on science. The hypothesis that our universe began from something like a Big Bang, our account of the evolution of galaxies and stars, the formation of the elements and of planets and all of chemistry, biology, physics, archaeology, palaeontology and indeed human history – all rely on propositions about real observer-independent facts and events. Once we assume the existence of an external world that changes over time, these interrelated propositions form a logically coherent set; chemistry depends on cosmology, evolution on chemistry, history on evolution and so on. Without that assumption, it is very hard to see how one might make sense of any of these disciplines, let alone see a unifying picture that underlies them all and explains their deep interrelations and mutual dependence.
If we can’t allow the statement that dinosaurs really walked the Earth, what meaningful content could biology, palaeontology or Darwinian evolution actually have? It’s even harder to understand why the statement seems to give such a concise explanation of many things we’ve noticed about the world, from the fossil record to (we think) the present existence of birds, if it’s actually just a meaningless fiction. Similarly, if we can’t say that water molecules really contain one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms – or at least that something about reality that supports this model – then what, if anything, is chemistry telling us?
The second quote suggests the precise opposite to what you have claimed, David. Maybe quantum reality is not the basis of the universe at all.
2ND QUOTE: Quantum theory was developed to explain the behaviour of atoms and other small systems, and has been well tested only on small scales. It would always have been a brave and perhaps foolhardy extrapolation to assume that it works on all scales, up to and including the entire universe, even if this involved no conceptual problems. Given the self-contradictions involved in the extrapolation and the profound obstacles that seem to prevent any solution of the reality problem within standard quantum theory, the most natural assumption is that, like every previous theory of physics, quantum mechanics will turn out only approximately true, applying within a limited domain only.
Once again, I can only thank you for all the research you do, which provides an ongoing education for me and, I hope, for others too.
Quantum Physics: recent theories
by David Turell , Sunday, May 27, 2018, 20:20 (2370 days ago) @ dhw
DAVID: No one has solved any of the reality problems. It is the basis of the universe. I cannot shrink this down with any sense of continuity. About a 10 minute read and perhaps worth it if you mind being confused:
https://aeon.co/essays/what-really-happens-in-schrodinger-s-box?utm_source=Aeon+Newslet...dhw: I decided to take the plunge, and have cherry-picked two quotes which greatly appeal to me. The first of these recognizes the reality we know and can test. For me it is absurd to assume that this is somehow less real than something we simply do not understand. That is why I invite all the theorists to step in front of a bus.
1ST QUOTE: If we cannot get a coherent story about physical reality from the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum theory and we cannot get a scientifically adequate one from many-worlds theory, where do we turn? We could, as some physicists suggest, simply give up on the hope of finding any description of an objective external reality. But it is very hard to see how to do this without also giving up on science. The hypothesis that our universe began from something like a Big Bang, our account of the evolution of galaxies and stars, the formation of the elements and of planets and all of chemistry, biology, physics, archaeology, palaeontology and indeed human history – all rely on propositions about real observer-independent facts and events. Once we assume the existence of an external world that changes over time, these interrelated propositions form a logically coherent set; chemistry depends on cosmology, evolution on chemistry, history on evolution and so on. Without that assumption, it is very hard to see how one might make sense of any of these disciplines, let alone see a unifying picture that underlies them all and explains their deep interrelations and mutual dependence.
If we can’t allow the statement that dinosaurs really walked the Earth, what meaningful content could biology, palaeontology or Darwinian evolution actually have? It’s even harder to understand why the statement seems to give such a concise explanation of many things we’ve noticed about the world, from the fossil record to (we think) the present existence of birds, if it’s actually just a meaningless fiction. Similarly, if we can’t say that water molecules really contain one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms – or at least that something about reality that supports this model – then what, if anything, is chemistry telling us?The second quote suggests the precise opposite to what you have claimed, David. Maybe quantum reality is not the basis of the universe at all.
That is not the sense of what I get from all the reading I've done. The basis of all the particles that form matter is quantum mechanics.
dhw: 2ND QUOTE: Quantum theory was developed to explain the behaviour of atoms and other small systems, and has been well tested only on small scales. It would always have been a brave and perhaps foolhardy extrapolation to assume that it works on all scales, up to and including the entire universe, even if this involved no conceptual problems. Given the self-contradictions involved in the extrapolation and the profound obstacles that seem to prevent any solution of the reality problem within standard quantum theory, the most natural assumption is that, like every previous theory of physics, quantum mechanics will turn out only approximately true, applying within a limited domain only.Once again, I can only thank you for all the research you do, which provides an ongoing education for me and, I hope, for others too.
Glad you liked reading it, even if it is all a strange mystery.
Quantum Physics: the universe is based on Quanta
by David Turell , Monday, May 28, 2018, 01:14 (2370 days ago) @ David Turell
dhw: The second quote suggests the precise opposite to what you have claimed, David. Maybe quantum reality is not the basis of the universe at all.
David That is not the sense of what I get from all the reading I've done. The basis of all the particles that form matter is quantum mechanics.
I just discovered an article which will prove my point. New ion electron colliders will poke into how matter is made by studying gluons.
http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/the-electron-ion-collider-will-unravel-some-of-science...
"Where does 99% of an atom’s mass come from? This is one of the most compelling mysteries in quantum mechanics today. Finding out however, is going to take an incredible amount of energy and resources, not to mention some really precise equipment. That’s where the Electron-Ion Collider (EIC) comes in. This facility, two actually—which are currently being constructed, are likely to deepen our understanding of the universe in ways that we can’t predict nor fathom. Moreover, the Electron-Ion Collider (EIC) is expected to birth technological capabilities heretofore unimagined.
"Nuclear physicist and chair of the NSAC Donald Geesaman, told Nature, “Until we have the EIC, there are huge areas of nuclear physics that we are not going to make progress in.” Each collider will contribute to the study of Quantum Chromodynamics (QCD). THis is the theory of how quarks and gluons comprise the nuclei of protons and neutrons. Gluons are the “glue” that hold quarks in place. What's remarkable is that through this act, gluons then hold all of the visible matter of the universe together. Perplexingly, the force exerted by gluons only accounts for 1% of the total mass of any object.
"Two of the main goals of the project include: precision imaging of quarks and gluons to find out their spin, “flavor,” and spatial structure, and “definitive study of the universal nature of strong gluon fields in nuclei.” Experiments at each EIC may also help explain the spin of protons, a quantum mechanical mystery three decades old. The essential question is, what accounts for two-thirds of a proton’s spin? Only a third can be explained by the quarks held within it. Researchers will also investigate a rare state of matter containing only gluons."
Comment: Note above. The universe is made of gluons-plus. It is quantum chromodynamics. The basis of the universe is quantum mechanics! The rest of the article is technical description of how the colliders work.
Quantum Physics: the universe is based on Quanta II
by David Turell , Monday, May 28, 2018, 05:06 (2370 days ago) @ David Turell
Another article on quantum behavior of atoms in a new study about to be done in space:
https://www.livescience.com/62618-coldest-spot-in-the-universe.html
"The Cold Atom Lab (CAL) will create a spot aboard the International Space Station 10 billion times colder than the vacuum of space.
"NASA is poised to "freeze" atoms in their tracks with lasers, creating the coldest spot in the universe — less than one-billionth of a degree above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature — on board the International Space Station (ISS).
At that temperature, atoms slow down so much that they begin to enter the same quantum state, exhibiting the same amount of energy as one another, NASA representatives explained.
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"NASA is poised to "freeze" atoms in their tracks with lasers, creating the coldest spot in the universe — less than one-billionth of a degree above absolute zero, the lowest possible temperature — on board the International Space Station (ISS).
"The Cold Atom Laboratory (CAL) is a compact instrument about the size of a beer cooler, and it uses lasers to generate a super-cooled environment 10 billion times colder than the vacuum of space. It's so cold inside CAL that atoms become nearly motionless; CAL then uses magnets to trap the slowed atoms so that scientists can observe their movements and how they interact.
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"The vacuum of space is cold, about minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 270.55 degrees Celsius). But temperatures inside CAL will be even colder: nearly absolute zero (absolute zero is minus 459.67 degrees F, or minus 273.15 degrees C).
"At that temperature, atoms slow down so much that they begin to enter the same quantum state, exhibiting the same amount of energy as one another, NASA representatives explained. Their behavior becomes more wavelike, and they start to synchronize like a line of dancers — a phenomenon known as a Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC).
"And in the microgravity of the ISS, atoms are expected to retain this state of matter for up to 10 seconds, offering researchers the possibility of observing quantum behavior never seen before, according to a CAL mission description. "
Comment: Quantum activity is the basis of the universe.
Quantum Physics: recent theories
by dhw, Monday, May 28, 2018, 10:31 (2369 days ago) @ David Turell
DAVID:No one has solved any of the reality problems. It is the basis of the universe…
https://aeon.co/essays/what-really-happens-in-schrodinger-s-box?utm_source=Aeon+Newslet...
dhw: I decided to take the plunge, and have cherry-picked two quotes which greatly appeal to me. The first of these recognizes the reality we know and can test. For me it is absurd to assume that this is somehow less real than something we simply do not understand. That is why I invite all the theorists to step in front of a bus.
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The second quote suggests the precise opposite to what you have claimed, David. Maybe quantum reality is not the basis of the universe at all.
DAVID: That is not the sense of what I get from all the reading I've done. The basis of all the particles that form matter is quantum mechanics.
Then how refreshing it is to read an article that recognizes the reality we know, and questions the universality of the reality nobody understands. Well worth repeating here:
2ND QUOTE: Quantum theory was developed to explain the behaviour of atoms and other small systems, and has been well tested only on small scales. It would always have been a brave and perhaps foolhardy extrapolation to assume that it works on all scales, up to and including the entire universe, even if this involved no conceptual problems. Given the self-contradictions involved in the extrapolation and the profound obstacles that seem to prevent any solution of the reality problem within standard quantum theory, the most natural assumption is that, like every previous theory of physics, quantum mechanics will turn out only approximately true, applying within a limited domain only.
DAVID: I just discovered an article which will prove my point. New ion electron colliders will poke into how matter is made by studying gluons.
http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/the-electron-ion-collider-will-unravel-some-of-science...
Hold on, hold on. Read this again:
QUOTE: "Where does 99% of an atom’s mass come from? This is one of the most compelling mysteries in quantum mechanics today. Finding out however, is going to take an incredible amount of energy and resources, not to mention some really precise equipment. That’s where the Electron-Ion Collider (EIC) comes in. This facility, two actually—which are currently being constructed, are likely to deepen our understanding of the universe in ways that we can’t predict nor fathom. Moreover, the Electron-Ion Collider (EIC) is expected to birth technological capabilities heretofore unimagined.
We have a compelling mystery and are spending a fortune trying to solve it. It hasn’t been solved yet, and the research may lead to unpredictable and unfathomable findings. It will only prove your point if it proves your point!
QUOTE from second article:
"And in the microgravity of the ISS, atoms are expected to retain this state of matter for up to 10 seconds, offering researchers the possibility of observing quantum behavior never seen before, according to a CAL mission description."
DAVID’s comment: Quantum activity is the basis of the universe.
Sorry, but observing new forms of quantum behaviour does not mean that quantum activity is the basis of the universe. But even if it is, you will still have the same old “compelling mystery” of how it all started, and what it actually means, if anything! I doubt if quantum theorists will unite and tell us it means there is a God who created life and the universe in order to produce the brain of Homo sapiens!
Quantum Physics: recent theories
by David Turell , Monday, May 28, 2018, 14:59 (2369 days ago) @ dhw
dhw: QUOTE from second article:
"And in the microgravity of the ISS, atoms are expected to retain this state of matter for up to 10 seconds, offering researchers the possibility of observing quantum behavior never seen before, according to a CAL mission description."DAVID’s comment: Quantum activity is the basis of the universe.
Sorry, but observing new forms of quantum behaviour does not mean that quantum activity is the basis of the universe. But even if it is, you will still have the same old “compelling mystery” of how it all started, and what it actually means, if anything! I doubt if quantum theorists will unite and tell us it means there is a God who created life and the universe in order to produce the brain of Homo sapiens!
I'm obvously discussing the basic mechanics of the universe. I think God used quantum mechanics but obviously these studies do not prove God. You are a defensive Agnostic. Relax!
Quantum Physics: recent theories
by dhw, Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 12:33 (2368 days ago) @ David Turell
dhw: QUOTE from second article:
"And in the microgravity of the ISS, atoms are expected to retain this state of matter for up to 10 seconds, offering researchers the possibility of observing quantum behavior never seen before, according to a CAL mission description."
DAVID’s comment: Quantum activity is the basis of the universe.
dhw: Sorry, but observing new forms of quantum behaviour does not mean that quantum activity is the basis of the universe. But even if it is, you will still have the same old “compelling mystery” of how it all started, and what it actually means, if anything! I doubt if quantum theorists will unite and tell us it means there is a God who created life and the universe in order to produce the brain of Homo sapiens!
DAVID: I'm obvously discussing the basic mechanics of the universe. I think God used quantum mechanics but obviously these studies do not prove God. You are a defensive Agnostic. Relax!
I can never relax when my dear friend the panentheist claims that his point will be "proved"! by an article about research that will try to solve the mysteries of the universe and may lead to unpredictable and unfathomable findings! These studies do not even prove that quantum activity is the basis of the universe.
Quantum Physics: recent theories
by David Turell , Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 14:56 (2368 days ago) @ dhw
dhw: QUOTE from second article:
"And in the microgravity of the ISS, atoms are expected to retain this state of matter for up to 10 seconds, offering researchers the possibility of observing quantum behavior never seen before, according to a CAL mission description."DAVID’s comment: Quantum activity is the basis of the universe.
dhw: Sorry, but observing new forms of quantum behaviour does not mean that quantum activity is the basis of the universe. But even if it is, you will still have the same old “compelling mystery” of how it all started, and what it actually means, if anything! I doubt if quantum theorists will unite and tell us it means there is a God who created life and the universe in order to produce the brain of Homo sapiens!
DAVID: I'm obvously discussing the basic mechanics of the universe. I think God used quantum mechanics but obviously these studies do not prove God. You are a defensive Agnostic. Relax!
dhw: I can never relax when my dear friend the panentheist claims that his point will be "proved"! by an article about research that will try to solve the mysteries of the universe and may lead to unpredictable and unfathomable findings! These studies do not even prove that quantum activity is the basis of the universe.
But studies proceed and learn. We are not there yet!
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by David Turell , Tuesday, May 29, 2018, 20:40 (2368 days ago) @ David Turell
More on how quantum experiments require conscious observers and indicate the universe is the result of consciousness. One of the authors, Kafatos, has produced two books I have read:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/coming-to-grips-with-the-implications...
"Taken together, these experiments indicate that the everyday world we perceive does not exist until observed, which in turn suggests—as we shall argue in this essay—a primary role for mind in nature. It is thus high time the scientific community at large—not only those involved in foundations of QM—faced up to the counterintuitive implications of QM’s most controversial predictions.
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"We are often misinterpreted—and misrepresented—as espousing solipsism or some form of “quantum mysticism,” so let us be clear: our argument for a mental world does not entail or imply that the world is merely one’s own personal hallucination or act of imagination. Our view is entirely naturalistic: the mind that underlies the world is a transpersonal mind behaving according to natural laws. It comprises but far transcends any individual psyche.
"The claim is thus that the dynamics of all inanimate matter in the universe correspond to transpersonal mentation, just as an individual’s brain activity—which is also made of matter—corresponds to personal mentation. This notion eliminates arbitrary discontinuities and provides the missing inner essence of the physical world: all matter—not only that in living brains—is the outer appearance of inner experience, different configurations of matter reflecting different patterns or modes of mental activity.
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"The inanimate world is a single physical system governed by QM. Indeed, as first argued by John von Neumann and rearticulated in the work of one of us, when two inanimate objects interact they simply become quantum mechanically “entangled” with one another—that is, they become united in such a way that the behavior of one becomes inextricably linked to the behavior of the other—but no actual measurement is performed.
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"a conscious observer may be indispensable, an idea further elaborated by one of us with regard to so-called “delayed choice quantum eraser” experiments. The bottom line is that we cannot know that detectors actually perform measurements, for we cannot abstract ourselves out of our knowledge. Recall Max Planck’s position: “I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness.”
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"The problem, however, is that decoherence cannot explain how the state of the surrounding environment becomes definite to begin with, so it doesn’t solve the measurement problem or rule out the role of consciousness. Indeed, as Wojciech Zurek—one of the fathers of decoherence—admitted, …an exhaustive answer to [the question of why we perceive a definite world] would undoubtedly have to involve a model of ‘consciousness,’ since what we are really asking concerns our [observers’] impression that ‘we are conscious’ of just one of the alternatives.
"As a matter of fact, peculiar statistical characteristics of the behavior of entangled quantum systems (namely, their experimentally confirmed violation of so-called “Bell’s and Leggett’s inequalities”) seem to rule out everything but consciousness as the agency of measurement. Some then claim that entanglement is observed only in microscopic systems and, therefore, its peculiarities are allegedly irrelevant to the world of tables and chairs.
"But such a claim is untrue, as several recent studies (e.g. 2009, 2011 and 2015) have demonstrated entanglement for much larger systems. Last year, a paper reported entanglement even for “massive” objects. Moreover, quantum superposition has been observed in systems as varied as small metal paddles and living tissue. Clearly, the laws of QM apply at all scales and substrates.
"What preserves a superposition is merely how well the quantum system—whatever its size—is isolated from the world of tables and chairs known to us through direct conscious apprehension. That a superposition does not survive exposure to this world suggests, if anything, a role for consciousness in the emergence of a definite physical reality."
Comment: These conclusions about consciousness and quantum mechanics cannot be avoided. The universe is based on quantum mechanics through the mind of God. Standing in front of a bus has nothing to do with this theory. All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by dhw, Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 11:45 (2367 days ago) @ David Turell
DAVID’s comment: These conclusions about consciousness and quantum mechanics cannot be avoided. The universe is based on quantum mechanics through the mind of God. Standing in front of a bus has nothing to do with this theory. All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate.
But none of this negates the very real behaviour of the matter we all know, as exemplified by the impact of the hard bus on the soft flesh of the body. I do not claim to have the slightest understanding of quantum mechanics, but until there is a consensus among the experts that the universe is based on quantum mechanics through the mind of God, I’m afraid I shall have to take your statement with a very real pinch of salt.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by David Turell , Wednesday, May 30, 2018, 15:31 (2367 days ago) @ dhw
DAVID’s comment: These conclusions about consciousness and quantum mechanics cannot be avoided. The universe is based on quantum mechanics through the mind of God. Standing in front of a bus has nothing to do with this theory. All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate.
dhw: But none of this negates the very real behaviour of the matter we all know, as exemplified by the impact of the hard bus on the soft flesh of the body. I do not claim to have the slightest understanding of quantum mechanics, but until there is a consensus among the experts that the universe is based on quantum mechanics through the mind of God, I’m afraid I shall have to take your statement with a very real pinch of salt.
To repeat: "All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate." We all know the bus is solid. But matter appears out of the basic particles and constantly offers only one other ingredient requirement: consciousness. You don't want to face an obvious conclusion: whose consciousness, or is the consciousness free-floating and based on nothing or no one?
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by dhw, Thursday, May 31, 2018, 11:46 (2366 days ago) @ David Turell
DAVID’s comment: These conclusions about consciousness and quantum mechanics cannot be avoided. The universe is based on quantum mechanics through the mind of God. Standing in front of a bus has nothing to do with this theory. All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate.
dhw: But none of this negates the very real behaviour of the matter we all know, as exemplified by the impact of the hard bus on the soft flesh of the body. I do not claim to have the slightest understanding of quantum mechanics, but until there is a consensus among the experts that the universe is based on quantum mechanics through the mind of God, I’m afraid I shall have to take your statement with a very real pinch of salt.
DAVID: To repeat: "All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules
and then join together to form the matter we appreciate." We all know the bus is solid. But matter appears out of the basic particles and constantly offers only one other ingredient requirement: consciousness. You don't want to face an obvious conclusion: whose consciousness, or is the consciousness free-floating and based on nothing or no one?
This whole website revolves around what you have quite rightly expressed as a question. It is not a conclusion.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by David Turell , Thursday, May 31, 2018, 15:27 (2366 days ago) @ dhw
DAVID’s comment: These conclusions about consciousness and quantum mechanics cannot be avoided. The universe is based on quantum mechanics through the mind of God. Standing in front of a bus has nothing to do with this theory. All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate.
dhw: But none of this negates the very real behaviour of the matter we all know, as exemplified by the impact of the hard bus on the soft flesh of the body. I do not claim to have the slightest understanding of quantum mechanics, but until there is a consensus among the experts that the universe is based on quantum mechanics through the mind of God, I’m afraid I shall have to take your statement with a very real pinch of salt.
DAVID: To repeat: "All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules
and then join together to form the matter we appreciate." We all know the bus is solid. But matter appears out of the basic particles and constantly offers only one other ingredient requirement: consciousness. You don't want to face an obvious conclusion: whose consciousness, or is the consciousness free-floating and based on nothing or no one?dhw: This whole website revolves around what you have quite rightly expressed as a question. It is not a conclusion.
You have accepted the conclusion that consciousness is required.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by dhw, Friday, June 01, 2018, 07:45 (2366 days ago) @ David Turell
DAVID: To repeat: "All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate." We all know the bus is solid. But matter appears out of the basic particles and constantly offers only one other ingredient requirement: consciousness. You don't want to face an obvious conclusion: whose consciousness, or is the consciousness free-floating and based on nothing or no one?
dhw: This whole website revolves around what you have quite rightly expressed as a question. It is not a conclusion.
DAVID: You have accepted the conclusion that consciousness is required.
Then why do you say I don’t want to face up to it? I have accepted the conclusion that consciousness is required for all the complexities of life and evolution, and I have offered three possible conclusions as to what might have been the origin of that consciousness: 1) your God; 2) chance; 3) an atheistic form of panpsychism. I find it impossible to choose any of these, although I continually face up to the questions you have asked. I suspect that what you really mean is that I haven’t accepted your conclusion that God did it.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by David Turell , Friday, June 01, 2018, 14:03 (2365 days ago) @ dhw
DAVID: To repeat: "All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate." We all know the bus is solid. But matter appears out of the basic particles and constantly offers only one other ingredient requirement: consciousness. You don't want to face an obvious conclusion: whose consciousness, or is the consciousness free-floating and based on nothing or no one?
dhw: This whole website revolves around what you have quite rightly expressed as a question. It is not a conclusion.
DAVID: You have accepted the conclusion that consciousness is required.
dhw: Then why do you say I don’t want to face up to it? I have accepted the conclusion that consciousness is required for all the complexities of life and evolution, and I have offered three possible conclusions as to what might have been the origin of that consciousness: 1) your God; 2) chance; 3) an atheistic form of panpsychism. I find it impossible to choose any of these, although I continually face up to the questions you have asked. I suspect that what you really mean is that I haven’t accepted your conclusion that God did it.
Of course you haven't. Panpsychism is a version of consciousness, chance is not conscious. What is left?
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by dhw, Saturday, June 02, 2018, 08:22 (2365 days ago) @ David Turell
DAVID: To repeat: "All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate." We all know the bus is solid. But matter appears out of the basic particles and constantly offers only one other ingredient requirement: consciousness. You don't want to face an obvious conclusion: whose consciousness, or is the consciousness free-floating and based on nothing or no one?
dhw: This whole website revolves around what you have quite rightly expressed as a question. It is not a conclusion.
DAVID: You have accepted the conclusion that consciousness is required.
dhw: Then why do you say I don’t want to face up to it? I have accepted the conclusion that consciousness is required for all the complexities of life and evolution, and I have offered three possible conclusions as to what might have been the origin of that consciousness: 1) your God; 2) chance; 3) an atheistic form of panpsychism. I find it impossible to choose any of these, although I continually face up to the questions you have asked. I suspect that what you really mean is that I haven’t accepted your conclusion that God did it.
DAVID: Of course you haven't. Panpsychism is a version of consciousness, chance is not conscious. What is left?
I haven’t what? You tell me I have accepted that consciousness is required. I do indeed agree that consciousness is required for the complexities of life and evolution, but I don’t know whether the origin of that consciousness is God (conscious), chance (not conscious), or atheistic panpsychism (i.e. a primitive consciousness in materials, which evolves into the more complex forms we now know). Please tell me what is the point at issue.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by David Turell , Saturday, June 02, 2018, 14:01 (2364 days ago) @ dhw
DAVID: To repeat: "All of this is at the level of energy particles which follow quantum rules and then join together to form the matter we appreciate." We all know the bus is solid. But matter appears out of the basic particles and constantly offers only one other ingredient requirement: consciousness. You don't want to face an obvious conclusion: whose consciousness, or is the consciousness free-floating and based on nothing or no one?
dhw: This whole website revolves around what you have quite rightly expressed as a question. It is not a conclusion.
DAVID: You have accepted the conclusion that consciousness is required.
dhw: Then why do you say I don’t want to face up to it? I have accepted the conclusion that consciousness is required for all the complexities of life and evolution, and I have offered three possible conclusions as to what might have been the origin of that consciousness: 1) your God; 2) chance; 3) an atheistic form of panpsychism. I find it impossible to choose any of these, although I continually face up to the questions you have asked. I suspect that what you really mean is that I haven’t accepted your conclusion that God did it.
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DAVID: Of course you haven't. Panpsychism is a version of consciousness, chance is not conscious. What is left?dhw: I haven’t what? You tell me I have accepted that consciousness is required. I do indeed agree that consciousness is required for the complexities of life and evolution, but I don’t know whether the origin of that consciousness is God (conscious), chance (not conscious), or atheistic panpsychism (i.e. a primitive consciousness in materials, which evolves into the more complex forms we now know). Please tell me what is the point at issue.
Your now bolded last sentence in the comment to which I responded: "I suspect that what you really mean is that I haven’t accepted your conclusion that God did it." Of course you haven't. And you keep repeating the poor, silly substitute for consciousness, panpsychism as another pint for discussion.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by dhw, Sunday, June 03, 2018, 09:16 (2364 days ago) @ David Turell
Dhw: I suspect that what you really mean is that I haven’t accepted your conclusion that God did it.
DAVID: Of course you haven't. Panpsychism is a version of consciousness, chance is not conscious. What is left?
dhw: I haven’t what? You tell me I have accepted that consciousness is required. I do indeed agree that consciousness is required for the complexities of life and evolution, but I don’t know whether the origin of that consciousness is God (conscious), chance (not conscious), or atheistic panpsychism (i.e. a primitive consciousness in materials, which evolves into the more complex forms we now know). Please tell me what is the point at issue.
DAVID: Your now bolded last sentence in the comment to which I responded: "I suspect that what you really mean is that I haven’t accepted your conclusion that God did it." Of course you haven't. And you keep repeating the poor, silly substitute for consciousness, panpsychism as another point for discussion.
“Poor and silly” is precisely the sort of language that hardened atheists use of theism. Please don’t stoop to that level. Panpsychism can be taken for the universal consciousness that you call God, or it can be inverted. Your brand of top-down panpsychism has a single, eternal, all-knowing, all-powerful conscious mind that comes from nowhere and can create a material universe out of nothing except its own immaterial self. I don’t know why that should be regarded as more or less “poor and silly” than the bottom-up idea that an impersonal universe has always been there and rudimentary consciousnesses of materials evolved into increasingly complex consciousnesses, or an infinite amount of matter during an eternity of time eventually was bound to produce the combination of materials that gave rise to life, consciousness and evolution. I find all of these explanations equally difficult to believe in, but acknowledge that I am wrong one way or another. That is why I would never call any of them “poor and silly”.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by David Turell , Sunday, June 03, 2018, 15:30 (2363 days ago) @ dhw
Dhw: I suspect that what you really mean is that I haven’t accepted your conclusion that God did it.
DAVID: Of course you haven't. Panpsychism is a version of consciousness, chance is not conscious. What is left?
dhw: I haven’t what? You tell me I have accepted that consciousness is required. I do indeed agree that consciousness is required for the complexities of life and evolution, but I don’t know whether the origin of that consciousness is God (conscious), chance (not conscious), or atheistic panpsychism (i.e. a primitive consciousness in materials, which evolves into the more complex forms we now know). Please tell me what is the point at issue.
DAVID: Your now bolded last sentence in the comment to which I responded: "I suspect that what you really mean is that I haven’t accepted your conclusion that God did it." Of course you haven't. And you keep repeating the poor, silly substitute for consciousness, panpsychism as another point for discussion.
dhw: “Poor and silly” is precisely the sort of language that hardened atheists use of theism. Please don’t stoop to that level. Panpsychism can be taken for the universal consciousness that you call God, or it can be inverted. Your brand of top-down panpsychism has a single, eternal, all-knowing, all-powerful conscious mind that comes from nowhere and can create a material universe out of nothing except its own immaterial self. I don’t know why that should be regarded as more or less “poor and silly” than the bottom-up idea that an impersonal universe has always been there and rudimentary consciousnesses of materials evolved into increasingly complex consciousnesses, or an infinite amount of matter during an eternity of time eventually was bound to produce the combination of materials that gave rise to life, consciousness and evolution. I find all of these explanations equally difficult to believe in, but acknowledge that I am wrong one way or another. That is why I would never call any of them “poor and silly”.
You have shown the weakness of panpsychism by trying to redefine it by making it equal to God's consciousness. Both come from the recognition that the universe exhibits consciousness. And you have reinvoked an eternal universe, which is entirely questionable, based on current science. The two leading theories are Big Bang or Big Bounce, neither of which allows for your eternity to produce life, as each universe is limited in time. No wonder you remain confused, by accepting all strange theories.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by dhw, Monday, June 04, 2018, 13:04 (2362 days ago) @ David Turell
dhw: […] I find all of these explanations equally difficult to believe in, but acknowledge that I am wrong one way or another. That is why I would never call any of them “poor and silly”.
DAVID: You have shown the weakness of panpsychism by trying to redefine it by making it equal to God's consciousness. Both come from the recognition that the universe exhibits consciousness.
When I say I find all three explanations equally difficult to believe in, I mean that I find all three explanations too weak to believe in. Only two of them recognize consciousness in the universe prior to the consciousness of living organisms. My atheistic version of panpsychism is that it begins with primitive consciousness which evolves. This is not “equal to” your God’s top-down consciousness – it is the reverse (bottom-up), and is neither weaker nor stronger than an explanation which entails a supreme consciousness that knows everything from the start.
DAVID: And you have reinvoked an eternal universe, which is entirely questionable, based on current science. The two leading theories are Big Bang or Big Bounce, neither of which allows for your eternity to produce life, as each universe is limited in time. No wonder you remain confused, by accepting all strange theories.
You yourself recognize the fact that even if the Big Bang is true, we have no idea what preceded it. However, since your God is supposed to have created it, even you must assume that your God pre-existed it, and even you must acknowledge that he could have been creating universes for ever. The Big Bounce allows for eternity, and the Big Bang cannot exclude eternity, and an unknown number of universes or a single eternal universe both allow for an unlimited number of material combinations. And I do not accept any of these strange theories, including the strange theory that there is an eternal, unknown and unknowable, conscious mind that can create and encompass universes.
Quantum Physics: conscious universe
by David Turell , Monday, June 04, 2018, 14:09 (2362 days ago) @ dhw
dhw: […] I find all of these explanations equally difficult to believe in, but acknowledge that I am wrong one way or another. That is why I would never call any of them “poor and silly”.
DAVID: You have shown the weakness of panpsychism by trying to redefine it by making it equal to God's consciousness. Both come from the recognition that the universe exhibits consciousness.
dhw: When I say I find all three explanations equally difficult to believe in, I mean that I find all three explanations too weak to believe in. Only two of them recognize consciousness in the universe prior to the consciousness of living organisms. My atheistic version of panpsychism is that it begins with primitive consciousness which evolves. This is not “equal to” your God’s top-down consciousness – it is the reverse (bottom-up), and is neither weaker nor stronger than an explanation which entails a supreme consciousness that knows everything from the start.
DAVID: And you have reinvoked an eternal universe, which is entirely questionable, based on current science. The two leading theories are Big Bang or Big Bounce, neither of which allows for your eternity to produce life, as each universe is limited in time. No wonder you remain confused, by accepting all strange theories.
dhw: You yourself recognize the fact that even if the Big Bang is true, we have no idea what preceded it. However, since your God is supposed to have created it, even you must assume that your God pre-existed it, and even you must acknowledge that he could have been creating universes for ever. The Big Bounce allows for eternity, and the Big Bang cannot exclude eternity, and an unknown number of universes or a single eternal universe both allow for an unlimited number of material combinations. And I do not accept any of these strange theories, including the strange theory that there is an eternal, unknown and unknowable, conscious mind that can create and encompass universes.
Both answers make your agnosticism clear and firm.
Quantum Physics: double slit not understood
by David Turell , Wednesday, August 08, 2018, 18:17 (2297 days ago) @ David Turell
We see the interference patterns but have no full understanding, yet we know conscious choices make a difference:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05892-6?utm_source=briefing-dy&utm_mediu...
According to the eminent physicist Richard Feynman, the quantum double-slit experiment puts us “up against the paradoxes and mysteries and peculiarities of nature”. By Feynman’s logic, if we could understand what is going on in this deceptively simple experiment, we would penetrate to the heart of quantum theory — and perhaps all its puzzles would dissolve.
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"What’s odd is that the interference pattern remains — accumulating over many particle impacts — even if particles go through the slits one at a time. The particles seem to interfere with themselves. Odder, the pattern vanishes if we use a detector to measure which slit the particle goes through: it’s truly particle-like, with no more waviness. Oddest of all, that remains true if we delay the measurement until after the particle has traversed the slits (but before it hits the screen). And if we make the measurement but then delete the result without looking at it, interference returns.
"It’s not the physical act of measurement that seems to make the difference, but the “act of noticing”, as physicist Carl von Weizsäcker (who worked closely with quantum pioneer Werner Heisenberg) put it in 1941. Ananthaswamy explains that this is what is so strange about quantum mechanics: it can seem impossible to eliminate a decisive role for our conscious intervention in the outcome of experiments. That fact drove physicist Eugene Wigner to suppose at one point that the mind itself causes the ‘collapse’ that turns a wave into a particle.
"Ananthaswamy offers some of the most lucid explanations I’ve seen of other interpretations. Bohr’s answer was that quantum mechanics doesn’t let us say anything about the particle’s ‘path’ — one slit or two — before it is measured. The role of the theory, said Bohr, is to furnish predictions of measurement outcomes; in that regard, it has never been found to fail. (However, he did not, as is often implied, deny that there is any physical reality beyond measurement.) Yet this does feel rather unsatisfactory. Ananthaswamy seems tempted by the alternative idea offered by David Bohm in the 1950s. Here, quantum objects are both particle and wave, the wave somehow ‘piloting’ the particle through space while being sensitive to influences beyond the particle’s location. But Ananthaswamy concludes that “physics has yet to complete its passage through the double-slit experiment. The case remains unsolved.”
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"There is nothing in quantum mechanics as it stands, shorn of interpretation, that lets us speak of particles becoming waves or taking two paths at once. And there is no reason to regard the wavefunction as more or less than an abstraction. This mathematical function, which embodies all we can know about a quantum object (and features in the iconic equation devised by Erwin Schrödinger to describe the object’s wave-like behaviour) was characterized rather nicely by physicist Roland Omnès. He called it “the fuel of a machine that manufactures probabilities” — that is, probabilities of measurement outcomes.
"Refracting all of quantum mechanics through the double slits is both a strength and a weakness of Through Two Doors at Once. It brings unity to a knotty subject, but downplays some important strands. Those include John Bell’s 1964 thought experiment on the nature of quantum entanglement (conducted for real many times since the 1970s); the role of decoherence in the emergence of classical physics from quantum phenomena (adduced in the 1970s and 1980s); and the emphasis on information and causality in the past two decades. Still, given that popularization of quantum mechanics seems to be the flavour of the month — summoning Adam Becker’s 2018 book What is Real?, Jean Bricmont’s 2017 Quantum Sense and Nonsense, a forthcoming book by physicist Sean Carroll, and my own 2018 Beyond Weird — there’s no lack of a wider perspective.
"And we need that. Ananthaswamy’s conclusion — that perhaps all the major interpretations are “touching the truth in their own way” — is not a shrugging capitulation. It’s a well-advised commitment to pluralism, shared with Becker’s book and mine. For now, uncertainty seems the wisest position in the quantum world."
Comment: Still all the confusion. For me the key are the delayed choice experiments that forces us to accept that consciousness is part of the reality of quantum world, what ever that is. I conclude, if a soul gives us consciousness, then a soul is using quantum mechanics in some way.
Quantum Physics: entanglement across the universe
by David Turell , Friday, August 24, 2018, 15:23 (2281 days ago) @ David Turell
Using quasars:
https://www.livescience.com/63398-ancient-quasars-evidence-quantum-entanglement.html?ut...
"sing two ancient galactic cores called quasars, researchers have taken a massive step forward toward confirming quantum entanglement — a concept that says that the properties of particles can be linked no matter how far apart in the universe they may be.
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"Scientists looking to prove quantum entanglement have to show that measured correlations between particles cannot be explained by classical physics, according to a statement from MIT describing the new work. In the 1960s, physicist John Bell calculated a theoretical limit, past which correlations between particles must have a quantum, not a classical, explanation.
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"In the study performed last year, researchers used small telescopes that only allowed them to measure light from stars 600 light-years away, but by using larger, more powerful telescopes, the researchers have now managed to measure the light from much older, more distant quasars.
"In studying entangled photons with these ancient quasars, the team found correlations in over 30,000 pairs of photons. These correlations went well beyond the limit set by Bell, showing that, if there were any classical explanation for the correlated particles, it would have to come from before these ancient quasars emitted light — many billions of years ago.
"'If some conspiracy is happening to simulate quantum mechanics by a mechanism that is actually classical, that mechanism would have had to begin its operations — somehow knowing exactly when, where, and how this experiment was going to be done — at least 7.8 billion years ago," Alan Guth, a physicist at MIT and a co-author of the new work, said in the statement. "That seems incredibly implausible, so we have very strong evidence that quantum mechanics is the right explanation."
"So, with these findings, it is "implausible" that the measured correlations have a classical explanation, the researchers said. This is strong evidence that quantum mechanics caused this correlation and that quantum entanglement is valid, they said.
"'The Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, so any alternative mechanism — different from quantum mechanics — that might have produced our results by exploiting this loophole would've had to be in place long before even there was a planet Earth, let alone an MIT," David Kaiser, also a physicist at MIT and a co-author of the study, added in the statement. "So we've pushed any alternative explanations back to very early in cosmic history.'"
Comment: Quantum mechanics is the basis of reality if entanglement covers the universe.
Quantum Physics: indefinite causal order
by David Turell , Monday, September 03, 2018, 17:59 (2271 days ago) @ David Turell
Cause and effect are not the same in quantum mechanics:
https://phys.org/news/2018-09-quantum-weirdness-chicken-egg-paradox.html
"The "chicken or egg" paradox was first proposed by philosophers in Ancient Greece to describe the problem of determining cause-and-effect.
"Now, a team of physicists from The University of Queensland and the NÉEL Institute has shown that, as far as quantum physics is concerned, the chicken and the egg can both come first.
"Dr Jacqui Romero from the ARC Centre of Excellence for Engineered Quantum Systems said that in quantum physics, cause-and-effect is not always as straightforward as one event causing another.
" "The weirdness of quantum mechanics means that events can happen without a set order," she said.
"'Take the example of your daily trip to work, where you travel partly by bus and partly by train.
"'Normally, you would take the bus then the train, or the other way round.
"'In our experiment, both of these events can happen first," Dr Romero said.
"'This is called `indefinite causal order' and it isn't something that we can observe in our everyday life."
"To observe this effect in the lab, the researchers used a setup called a photonic quantum switch.
"UQ's Dr Fabio Costa said that with this device the order of events—transformations on the shape of light—depends on polarisation.
"'By measuring the polarisation of the photons at the output of the quantum switch, we were able to show the order of transformations on the shape of light was not set."
"'This is just a first proof of principle, but on a larger scale indefinite causal order can have real practical applications, like making computers more efficient or improving communication.'"
Comment: This is proof that consciousness choice directly affects quantum laboratory procedures and results
Quantum Physics: new weird electron particles
by David Turell , Saturday, September 05, 2020, 19:52 (1538 days ago) @ David Turell
They are called anyons:
https://phys.org/news/2020-09-evidence-quantum-world-stranger-thought.html
"New experimental evidence of a collective behavior of electrons to form "quasiparticles" called "anyons" has been reported by a team of scientists at Purdue University.
"Anyons have characteristics not seen in other subatomic particles, including exhibiting fractional charge and fractional statistics that maintain a "memory" of their interactions with other quasiparticles by inducing quantum mechanical phase changes.
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"Before the growing evidence of anyons in 2020, physicists had categorized particles in the known world into two groups: fermions and bosons. Electrons are an example of fermions, and photons, which make up light and radio waves, are bosons. One characteristic difference between fermions and bosons is how the particles act when they are looped, or braided, around each other. Fermions respond in one straightforward way, and bosons in another expected and straightforward way.
"Anyons respond as if they have a fractional charge, and even more interestingly, create a nontrivial phase change as they braid around one another. This can give the anyons a type of "memory" of their interaction.
"'Anyons only exist as collective excitations of electrons under special circumstances," Manfra said. "But they do have these demonstrably cool properties including fractional charge and fractional statistics. It is funny, because you think, 'How can they have less charge than the elementary charge of an electron?' But they do."
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"Anyons display this behavior only as collective crowds of electrons, where many electrons behave as one under very extreme and specific conditions, so they are not thought to be found isolated in nature, Nakamura said.
"'Normally in the world of physics, we think about fundamental particles, such as protons and electrons, and all of the things that make up the periodic table," he said. "But we study the existence of quasiparticles, which emerge from a sea of electrons that are placed in certain extreme conditions."
"Because this behavior depends on the number of times the particles are braided, or looped, around each other, they are more robust in their properties than other quantum particles. This characteristic is said to be topological because it depends on the geometry of the system and may eventually lead to much more sophisticated anyon structures that could be used to build stable, topological quantum computers."
Comment: our reality is based upon a foundation of quantum mechanics. We are finding very strange reactions under conditions that do not appear in nature as we know it. Will our research solve our confusion or make it worse? Only God knows.
Quantum Physics: a different theory
by David Turell , Saturday, September 05, 2020, 23:43 (1538 days ago) @ David Turell
Called superdeterminism:
http://nautil.us/issue/83/intelligence/how-to-make-sense-of-quantum-physics
"The mistake physicists made decades ago was to draw the wrong conclusion from a mathematical theorem proved by John Bell in 1964. This theorem shows that in any theory in which hidden variables let us predict measurement outcomes, the correlations between measurement outcomes obey a bound. Since then, countless experiments have shown that this bound can be violated. It follows that the type of hidden variables theories to which Bell’s Theorem applies are falsified. The conclusion that physicists drew is that quantum theory is correct and hidden variables not.
"But Bell’s Theorem makes an assumption which is itself unsupported by evidence: That the hidden variables (whatever they are) are independent of the settings of the detector. This assumption—called “statistical independence”—is reasonable as long as an experiment only involves large objects like pills, mice, or cancer cells. (And indeed, in this case a violation of statistical independence would strongly suggest the experiment had been tampered with.) Whether it holds for quantum particles, however, no one knows. Because of this we can equally well conclude that the experiments which test Bell’s Theorem, rather than supporting quantum theory, have proved that statistical independence is violated.
"Hidden variables theories that violate statistical independence give Superdeterminism its name. Shockingly enough, they have never been ruled out. They have never even been experimentally tested because that would require a different type of experiment than what physicists have done so far. To test Superdeterminism, one would have to look for evidence that quantum physics is not as random as we think it is.
"The core idea of Superdeterminism is that everything in the universe is related to everything else because the laws of nature prohibit certain configurations of particles (or make them so unlikely that for all practical purposes they never occur). If you had an empty universe and placed one particle in it, then you could not place the other ones arbitrarily. They’d have to obey certain relations to the first.
"This universal relatedness means in particular that if you want to measure the properties of a quantum particle, then this particle was never independent of the measurement apparatus. This is not because there is any interaction happening between the apparatus and the particle. The dependence between both is simply a property of nature that, however, goes unnoticed if one deals only with large devices. If this was so, quantum measurements had definite outcomes—hence solving the measurement problem—while still giving rise to violations of Bell’s bound. Suddenly it all makes sense!
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"Due to the dearth of research, we have to date no generally applicable theory for Superdeterminism. We do have some models that provide a basis for understanding the violation of the Bell inequality, but no formalism remotely as flexible as the existing theory of quantum mechanics. While Superdeterminism makes some predictions that are largely model-independent, such that measurement outcomes should be less randomly distributed than in quantum mechanics, it is easy to criticize such predictions because they are not based on a full-blown theory. Experimentalists do not want to even test the idea because they do not take it seriously. But we are unlikely to find evidence of Superdeterminism by chance. Universal relatedness, which is this idea’s defining feature, does not reveal itself on the level of elementary particles. Therefore, we do not believe that probing smaller and smaller distances with bigger and bigger particle accelerators will help solve the still-open fundamental questions.
"It does not help that most physicists today have been falsely taught the measurement problem has been solved, or erroneously think that hidden variables have been ruled out. If anything is mind-boggling about quantum mechanics, it’s that physicists have almost entirely ignored the most obvious way to solve its problems."
Comment: This simply says every thing in the universe is connected and affects everything else. We've really known this about split particles that can connect across the universe. What if all particles are somehow related? Which brings me back to God's abilities. He can conjure up quantum confusion which ties us in mental knots with its complexity and counterintuativeness. In living biochemistry which is not a controllable entity, in the same way that physics processes are, errors can occur and some don't fully appreciate the differences and either blame God for these errors or somehow think He purposely planned them. The plain reasoning is God fully knew what He was doing and knew errors would occur, proved by all the editing mechanisms He designed.
Quantum Physics: renormalization revisited
by David Turell , Thursday, September 17, 2020, 20:15 (1526 days ago) @ David Turell
The lesson is not to try to be too small:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-renormalization-saved-particle-physics-20200917/
"Only by using a technique dubbed “renormalization,” which involved carefully concealing infinite quantities, could researchers sidestep bogus predictions. The process worked, but even those developing the theory suspected it might be a house of cards resting on a tortured mathematical trick.
“'It is what I would call a dippy process,” Richard Feynman later wrote. “Having to resort to such hocus-pocus has prevented us from proving that the theory of quantum electrodynamics is mathematically self-consistent.”
"Justification came decades later from a seemingly unrelated branch of physics. Researchers studying magnetization discovered that renormalization wasn’t about infinities at all. Instead, it spoke to the universe’s separation into kingdoms of independent sizes, a perspective that guides many corners of physics today.
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"Today, Feynman’s “dippy process” has become as ubiquitous in physics as calculus, and its mechanics reveal the reasons for some of the discipline’s greatest successes and its current challenges. During renormalization, complicated submicroscopic capers tend to just disappear. They may be real, but they don’t affect the big picture. “Simplicity is a virtue,” Fendley said. “There is a god in this.”
"That mathematical fact captures nature’s tendency to sort itself into essentially independent worlds. When engineers design a skyscraper, they ignore individual molecules in the steel. Chemists analyze molecular bonds but remain blissfully ignorant of quarks and gluons. The separation of phenomena by length, as quantified by the renormalization group, has allowed scientists to move gradually from big to small over the centuries, rather than cracking all scales at once.
"Yet at the same time, renormalization’s hostility to microscopic details works against the efforts of modern physicists who are hungry for signs of the next realm down. The separation of scales suggests they’ll need to dig deep to overcome nature’s fondness for concealing its finer points from curious giants like us.
“'Renormalization helps us simplify the problem,” said Nathan Seiberg, a theoretical physicist at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey. But “it also hides what happens at short distances. You can’t have it both ways.'”
Comment: Quantum theory is as weird as ever, but it works. The universe is based on quantum mechanics, which tells us God works in mysterious ways. We are bright folks who always want to know how it works. Hopefully we'll figure it out.
Quantum Physics: further explanation
by David Turell , Sunday, September 27, 2020, 01:47 (1517 days ago) @ David Turell
Sabine Hossenfelder at her best:
http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2020/09/understanding-quantum-mechanics-6-its.html
"One of the most common misunderstandings about quantum mechanics that I encounter is that quantum mechanics is about small things and short distances. It’s about atomic spectral lines, electrons going through double slits, nuclear decay, and so on. There’s a realm of big things where stuff behaves like we’re used to, and then there’s a realm of small things, where quantum weirdness happens. It’s an understandable misunderstanding because we do not experience quantum effects in daily life.
"The best example of a big quantum thing is the sun. The sun shines thanks to nuclear fusion, which relies on quantum tunneling. You have to fuse two nuclei together even though they repel each other because they are both positively charged. Without tunneling, this would not work. And the sun certainly is not small.
"Ah, you may say, that doesn’t count because the fusion itself only happens on short distances. It’s just that the sun contains a lot of matter so it’s big.
"Ok. Here is another example. All that matter around you, air, walls, table, what have you, is only there because of quantum mechanics. Without quantum mechanics, atoms would not exist. Indeed, this was one of the major reasons for the invention of quantum mechanics in the first place.
"You see, without quantum mechanics, an electron circling around the atomic nucleus would emit electromagnetic radiation, lose energy, and fall into the nucleus very quickly. So, atoms would be unstable. Quantum mechanics explains why this does not happen. It’s because the electrons are not particles that are localized at a specific point, they are instead described by wave-functions which merely tell you the probability for the electron to be at a particular point. And for atoms this probability distribution is focused on shells around the nucleus. These shells correspond to different energy levels and are also called the “orbitals” of the electron, but I find that somewhat misleading. It’s not like the electron is actually orbiting as in going around in a loop.
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"So, all the matter around us is evidence that quantum mechanics works because it’s necessary to make atoms stable. Does that finally convince you that quantum mechanics isn’t just about small things? Ah, you may say, but all this normal matter does not look like a quantum thing.
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"Zeilinger and his group did this experiment between two of the Canary Islands in 2008. They produced pairs of entangled photons on La Palma, sent one of each pair to Tenerife, which is one-hundred-forty-four kilometers away, and let the other photon do circles in an optical fibre on La Palma. When they measured the polarization on both photons, they could unambiguously demonstrate that they were still entangled.
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"But the relevant point is that there is no limit in size or weight or distance where quantum effects suddenly stop. In principle, everything has quantum effects, even you. It’s just that those effects are so small you don’t notice."
Comment: So to quantum physicists it is not so counterintuative at all. And it has to be that way or we wouldn't be alive. It seems God knows what He is doing as He designs, even if He has to put up with errors in living biochemistry.
Quantum Physics: Tunneling faster than light speed
by David Turell , Tuesday, October 20, 2020, 18:56 (1493 days ago) @ David Turell
More weirdness:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-tunnel-shows-particles-can-break-the-speed-of-li...
"Physicists quickly saw that particles’ ability to tunnel through barriers solved many mysteries. It explained various chemical bonds and radioactive decays and how hydrogen nuclei in the sun are able to overcome their mutual repulsion and fuse, producing sunlight.
But physicists became curious — mildly at first, then morbidly so. How long, they wondered, does it take for a particle to tunnel through a barrier?
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"In 1907, Albert Einstein realized that his brand-new theory of relativity must render faster-than-light communication impossible. Imagine two people, Alice and Bob, moving apart at high speed. Because of relativity, their clocks tell different times. One consequence is that if Alice sends a faster-than-light signal to Bob, who immediately sends a superluminal reply to Alice, Bob’s reply could reach Alice before she sent her initial message. “The achieved effect would precede the cause,” Einstein wrote.
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"It wasn’t until 1962 that a semiconductor engineer at Texas Instruments named Thomas Hartman wrote a paper that explicitly embraced the shocking implications of the math.
"Hartman found that a barrier seemed to act as a shortcut. When a particle tunnels, the trip takes less time than if the barrier weren’t there. Even more astonishing, he calculated that thickening a barrier hardly increases the time it takes for a particle to tunnel across it. This means that with a sufficiently thick barrier, particles could hop from one side to the other faster than light traveling the same distance through empty space.
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"In short, quantum tunneling seemed to allow faster-than-light travel, a supposed physical impossibility.
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"The researchers reported that the rubidium atoms spent, on average, 0.61 milliseconds inside the barrier, in line with Larmor clock times theoretically predicted in the 1980s. That’s less time than the atoms would have taken to travel through free space. Therefore, the calculations indicate that if you made the barrier really thick, Steinberg said, the speedup would let atoms tunnel from one side to the other faster than light.
"In the most highly praised measurement yet, reported in Nature in July, Steinberg’s group in Toronto used what’s called the Larmor clock method to gauge how long rubidium atoms took to tunnel through a repulsive laser field.
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"In a paper published in the New Journal of Physics in September, Pollak and two colleagues argued that superluminal tunneling doesn’t allow superluminal signaling for a statistical reason: Even though tunneling through an extremely thick barrier happens very fast, the chance of a tunneling event happening through such a barrier is extraordinarily low. A signaler would always prefer to send the signal through free space."
Comment: It is allowed because it doesn't contain information!!!! Another weird explanation, but the scientist seem satisfied.
Quantum Physics: what is a particle?
by David Turell , Saturday, February 06, 2021, 19:35 (1384 days ago) @ David Turell
Using electrons and photons as a starting point, n o one knows as of yet:
https://aeon.co/essays/is-everything-made-of-particles-fields-or-both-combined?utm_sour...
"Physicists deftly shift between different pictures of reality as it suits the task at hand. The textbooks are written to teach you how to use the mathematical tools of physics most effectively, not to tell you what things the equations are describing. It takes hard work to distil a story about what’s really happening in nature from the mathematics. This kind of research is considered ‘philosophy of physics’ when done by philosophers and ‘foundations of physics’ when done by physicists.
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"Unfortunately, it’s not immediately clear what replaces the atoms of the periodic table in the standard model. Are the fundamental building blocks of reality quantum particles, quantum fields, or some combination of the two?
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"On 8 August, at the 2019 International Congress on Logic, Methodology and Philosophy of Science and Technology in Prague, I joined four other philosophers of physics for a debate – tersely titled ‘Particles, Fields, or Both?’ Mathias Frisch of the Leibniz University Hannover opened our session with a presentation of the debate between Einstein and Ritz (see his Aeon essay, ‘Why Things Happen’). Then, the remaining three speakers defended opposing views – updated versions of the positions held by Einstein, Ritz, and Faraday.
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"The part of the standard model that describes electrons and the electromagnetic field is called ‘quantum electrodynamics’, as it is the quantum version of classical electrodynamics. The foundations of the two subjects are closely linked.
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"In my contribution to the debate, I advocated a different point of view on quantum electrodynamics. Following Faraday, I argued that we should get rid of particles and just have fields. However, I don’t think the electromagnetic field alone is enough. We need another field as well: the Dirac field. It is this field that represents the electron (and also the antiparticle of the electron, the positron).
"In classical electrodynamics, this approach replaces the point electron particle with a spread-out lump of energy and charge in the Dirac field. Because the charge is spread out, the electromagnetic field that is produced by this charge will not get infinitely strong at any point in space. That makes the self-interaction problem less severe. But it is not solved. If the electron’s charge is spread out, why don’t the various parts of the electron repel one another so that the electron rapidly explodes? That’s something I’m still working to understand.
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"If you think of electrons as particles, you’ll have to think of photons differently – either eliminating them (Lazarovici’s story) or treating them as a field (Hubert’s story). On the other hand, if you think of electrons as a field, then you can think of photons the same way. I see this consistency as a virtue of the all-fields picture.
"As things stand, the three-sided debate between Einstein, Ritz and Faraday remains unresolved. We’ve certainly made progress, but we don’t have a definitive answer. It is not yet clear what classical and quantum electrodynamics are telling us about reality. Is everything made of particles, fields or both?
"This question is not front and centre in contemporary physics research. Theoretical physicists generally think that we have a good-enough understanding of quantum electrodynamics to be getting on with, and now we need to work on developing new theories and finding ways to test them through experiments and observations.
"That might be the path forward. However, sometimes progress in physics requires first backing up to reexamine, reinterpret and revise the theories that we already have. To do this kind of research, we need scholars who blend the roles of physicist and philosopher, as was done thousands of years ago in Ancient Greece."
Comment: We still don't know the real basis of the reality that was created by......fill in your blank, and most cosmological physicists don't care because the equations work just fine in unexplained ways. It would be nice to know and there might be reasonable explanation instead of so much confusion. The Creator works in very mysterious ways.
Quantum Physics: proton makeup confusion
by David Turell , Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 18:05 (1366 days ago) @ David Turell
edited by David Turell, Wednesday, February 24, 2021, 18:22
The proton content of antimatter seems too high:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/proton-antimatter-lopsided-quark-antiquark
"The proton’s antimatter is out of whack. An imbalance between two types of antiparticles that seethe within the proton is even wonkier than previously thought, a new measurement indicates.
"Protons are built from three quarks — two “up” quarks and one “down” quark. But they also contain a roiling sea of transient quarks and antiquarks that fluctuate into existence before swiftly annihilating one another. Within that sea, down antiquarks outnumber up antiquarks, measurements revealed in the 1990s. And that lopsidedness persists in a realm of quark momenta previously unexplored, researchers report.
"...new tests, made by slamming protons into targets made of hydrogen and deuterium (hydrogen with an extra neutron in its nucleus), contradict that idea. SeaQuest researchers found that down antiquarks were about 50 percent more prevalent than up antiquarks — even when a single antiquark carried nearly half the proton’s total momentum.
"The measurements are important for studies at the Large Hadron Collider at CERN in Geneva, which slams protons together to look for new phenomena. To fully understand the collisions, physicists need a thorough accounting of the proton’s constituents. “They need to know what they’re colliding,” says study coauthor Paul Reimer of Argonne National Laboratory in Lemont, Ill."
Comment: Why the human complaint of 'imbalance'? What we find is what God correctly wanted to be present. And we simply need to measure without doubting.
Another take:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/protons-antimatter-revealed-by-decades-old-experiment-20...
In reality, the proton’s interior swirls with a fluctuating number of six kinds of quarks, their oppositely charged antimatter counterparts (antiquarks), and “gluon” particles that bind the others together, morph into them and readily multiply. Somehow, the roiling maelstrom winds up perfectly stable and superficially simple — mimicking, in certain respects, a trio of quarks. “How it all works out, that’s quite frankly something of a miracle,” said Donald Geesaman, a nuclear physicist.
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The data immediately favors two theoretical models of the proton sea. “This is the first real evidence backing up those models that has come out,” said Reimer.
One is the “pion cloud” model, a popular, decades-old approach that emphasizes the proton’s tendency to emit and reabsorb particles called pions, which belong to a group of particles known as mesons. The other model, the so-called statistical model, treats the proton like a container full of gas.
Planned future experiments will help researchers choose between the two pictures. But whichever model is right, SeaQuest’s hard data about the proton’s inner antimatter will be immediately useful, especially for physicists who smash protons together at nearly light speed in Europe’s Large Hadron Collider. When they know exactly what’s in the colliding objects, they can better piece through the collision debris looking for evidence of new particles or effects.
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In the ultimate quest to understand the proton, the deciding factor might be its spin, or intrinsic angular momentum. A muon scattering experiment in the late 1980s showed that the spins of the proton’s three valence quarks account for no more than 30% of the proton’s total spin. The “proton spin crisis” is: What contributes the other 70%? Once again, said Brown, the Fermilab old-timer, “something else must be going on.”
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Alberg and Miller are working on calculations of the full “meson cloud” surrounding protons, which includes, along with pions, rarer “rho mesons.” Pions don’t possess spin, but rho mesons do, so they must contribute to the overall spin of the proton in a way Alberg and Miller hope to determine.
Comment: Note the difference in two authors. The former sounds puzzled. The latter simply describes clarifying research. Moral: know how to interpret what you read in studying scientific reporting. Author bias will show if you are careful.
Quantum Physics: cause and effect can be reversed
by David Turell , Thursday, March 11, 2021, 18:57 (1351 days ago) @ David Turell
Weird as it sounds superposition does it:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-mischief-rewrites-the-laws-of-cause-and-effect-2...
"Over the last decade, quantum physicists have been exploring the implications of a strange realization: In principle, both versions of the story can happen at once. That is, events can occur in an indefinite causal order, where both “A causes B” and “B causes A” are simultaneously true.
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"The possibility follows from the quantum phenomenon known as superposition, where particles maintain all possible realities simultaneously until the moment they’re measured. In labs in Austria, China, Australia and elsewhere, physicists observe indefinite causal order by putting a particle of light (called a photon) in a superposition of two states. They then subject one branch of the superposition to process A followed by process B, and subject the other branch to B followed by A. In this procedure, known as the quantum switch, A’s outcome influences what happens in B, and vice versa; the photon experiences both causal orders simultaneously.
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"With the emerging frameworks, “we can make predictions without having well-defined causality,” Brukner said.
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"The operational question is: In quantum gravity, what can we, in principle, observe? Hardy thought about the fact that quantum mechanics and general relativity each have a radical feature. Quantum mechanics is famously indeterministic; its superpositions allow for simultaneous possibilities. General relativity, meanwhile, suggests that space and time are malleable. In Einstein’s theory, massive objects like Earth stretch the space-time “metric” — essentially the distance between hash marks on a ruler, and the duration between ticks of clocks. The nearer you are to a massive object, for instance, the slower your clock ticks. The metric then determines the “light cone” of a nearby event — the region of space-time that the event can causally influence.
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"What we normally think of as causal relationships — such as photons traveling from one region of the sky to another, correlating measurements made in the first region with measurements made later in the second region — act, in Hardy’s formalism, like data compression. There’s a reduction in the amount of information needed to describe the whole system, since one set of probabilities determines another.
"Hardy called his new formalism the “causaloid” framework, where the causaloid is the mathematical object used to calculate the probabilities of outcomes of any measurement in any region. He introduced the general framework in a dense 68-page paper in 2005, which showed how to formulate quantum theory in the framework (essentially by reducing its general probability expressions to the specific case of interacting quantum bits).
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"In “the most beautiful experiment” done so far, according to Rubino, Jian-Wei Pan at the University of Science and Technology of China in Hefei demonstrated in 2019 that two parties can compare long strings of bits exponentially more efficiently when transmitting bits in both directions at once rather than in a fixed causal order — an advantage proposed by Brukner and co-authors in 2016. A different group in Hefei reported in January that, whereas engines normally need a hot and cold reservoir to work, with a quantum switch they could extract heat from reservoirs of equal temperature — a surprising use suggested a year ago by Oxford theorists.
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"In a key paper in 2019, Magdalena Zych, Brukner and collaborators proved that this situation would allow Alice and Bob to achieve indefinite causal order.
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"A “quantum equivalence principle” analogous to the equivalence principle that, a century ago, showed Einstein the way to general relativity. One way of stating Einstein’s equivalence principle is that even though space-time can wildly stretch and curve, local patches of it (such as the inside of a falling elevator) look flat and classical, and Newtonian physics applies. “The equivalence principle allowed you to find the old physics inside the new physics,” Hardy said. “That gave Einstein just enough.”
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"But ultimately quantum gravity must be specific — answering not just the question “What can we observe?” but also “What exists?” That is, what are the quantum building blocks of gravity, space and time?
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"Hardy thinks his causaloid framework might be compatible with loops or strings, potentially suggesting how to formulate those theories in a way that doesn’t envision objects evolving against a fixed background time. “We’re trying to find different routes up the mountain,” he said. He suspects that the surest route to quantum gravity is the one that “has at its heart this idea of indefinite causal structure.'”
Comment: all of this is at the quantum level of reality, not our level. Only we see causality
Quantum Physics: the ubiquitous proton
by David Turell , Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 19:43 (1240 days ago) @ David Turell
Particle, wave and makes of all types of light:
https://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/what-is-a-photon
"Planck explained some puzzling behaviors of radiation by describing the energy of electromagnetic waves as divided into individual packets. In 1905, Albert Einstein built on Planck’s concept of energy packets and finally settled the corpuscule-versus-wave debate—by declaring it a tie.
"As Einstein explained, light behaves as both a particle and a wave, with the energy of each particle of light corresponding to the frequency of the wave.
"His evidence came from studies of the photoelectric effect—the way in which light knocked electrons loose from metal. If light traveled only in a continuous wave, then shining a light on metal for long enough would always dislodge an electron, because the energy the light transferred to the electron would accumulate over time.
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"The way that scientists think about photons has continued to evolve in more recent years. For one, the photon is now known as a “gauge boson.”
"Gauge bosons are force-carrying particles that enable matter particles to interact via the fundamental forces. Atoms, for example, stick together because the positively charged protons in their nuclei exchange photons with the negatively charged electrons that orbit them—an interaction via the electromagnetic force.
"Secondly, the photon is now thought of as a particle, a wave, and an excitation—kind of like a wave—in a quantum field.
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"Radio waves and microwaves; infrared and ultraviolet light; X-rays and gamma rays: All of these are light, and all of them are made up of photons.
"Photons are at work all around you. They travel through connected fibers to deliver internet, cable and cell phone signals. They are used in plastics upcycling, to break down objects into small building blocks that can be used in new materials. They are used in hospitals, in beams that target and destroy cancerous tissues.
"And they are key to all kinds of scientific research.
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"In 2012, scientists at the Large Hadron Collider discovered the Higgs boson by studying its decay into pairs of photons.
"Physicist Donna Strickland won a share of the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2018 for her work developing ultrashort, high-intensity laser pulses, formed from highly focused high-energy light.
"Machines called light sources create intense beams of X-rays, ultraviolet light and infrared light to help scientists break down the steps of the fastest chemical processes and examine materials in molecular detail.
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“'Light—photons—are a reagent in chemistry that people don’t always think about,” Dionne says. “People often think about adding new chemicals to enable a certain reaction or controlling the temperature or pH of a solution. Light can bring a whole new dimension and an entirely new tool kit.”
"Some physicists are even looking for new types of photons. Theoretical “dark photons” would serve as a new kind of gauge bosons, mediating the interactions between particles of dark matter."
Comment: This article shows how photons are so basic to particle physics and standard model cosmology .
Quantum Physics: double slit not understood
by David Turell , Tuesday, September 11, 2018, 15:39 (2263 days ago) @ David Turell
Here is Ananthaswamy's article:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/what-does-quantum-theory-actually-tel...
"But quantum theory is entirely unclear about what constitutes a “measurement.” It simply postulates that the measuring device must be classical, without defining where such a boundary between the classical and quantum lies, thus leaving the door open for those who think that human consciousness needs to be invoked for collapse. Last May, Henry Stapp and colleagues argued, in this forum, that the double-slit experiment and its modern variants provide evidence that “a conscious observer may be indispensable” to make sense of the quantum realm and that a transpersonal mind underlies the material world.
"But these experiments don’t constitute empirical evidence for such claims. In the double-slit experiment done with single photons, all one can do is verify the probabilistic predictions of the mathematics. If the probabilities are borne out over the course of sending tens of thousands of identical photons through the double slit, the theory claims that each photon’s wave function collapsed—thanks to an ill-defined process called measurement. That’s all.
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"If nothing else, these experiments are showing that we cannot yet make any claims about the nature of reality, even if the claims are well-motivated mathematically or philosophically. And given that neuroscientists and philosophers of mind don’t agree on the nature of consciousness, claims that it collapses wave functions are premature at best and misleading and wrong at worst."
Comment: I've omitted the specific research discussed. He does not mention delayed choice studies which definitely imply a role for consciousness.
Quantum Physics: delayed choice and and free will
by David Turell , Friday, September 14, 2018, 20:58 (2260 days ago) @ David Turell
A delayed choice test using light from quasars 7.8 billion years old:
https://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.121.080403
Abstract
In this Letter, we present a cosmic Bell experiment with polarization-entangled photons, in which measurement settings were determined based on real-time measurements of the wavelength of photons from high-redshift quasars, whose light was emitted billions of years ago; the experiment simultaneously ensures locality. Assuming fair sampling for all detected photons and that the wavelength of the quasar photons had not been selectively altered or previewed between emission and detection, we observe statistically significant violation of Bell’s inequality by 9.3 standard deviations, corresponding to an estimated p value of ≲ 7.4×10. . This experiment pushes back to at least ∼7.8 Gyr ago the most recent time by which any local-realist influences could have exploited the “freedom-of-choice” loophole to engineer the observed Bell violation, excluding any such mechanism from 96% of the space-time volume of the past light cone of our experiment, extending from the big bang to today.
Comment: I've never doubted free will. And once again we see consciousness affecting quantum mechanics
Quantum Physics: a new approach to quantum fields
by David Turell , Friday, August 13, 2021, 15:29 (1196 days ago) @ David Turell
They must be seen as also quantized:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2021/08/11/this-is-why-quantum-mechanics-i...
"Normally, in our older, classical treatment, fields push on particles that are located at certain positions and change each particle’s momentum. But if the particle’s position and momentum are inherently uncertain, and if the particle(s) that generate the fields are themselves uncertain in position and momentum, then the fields themselves cannot be treated in this fashion: as though they’re some sort of static “background” that the quantum effects of the other particles are superimposed atop.
"If we do, we’re short-changing ourselves, inherently missing out on the “quantum-ness” of the underlying fields.
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"The Universe, at a fundamental level, isn’t just made of quantized packets of matter and energy, but the fields that permeate the Universe are inherently quantum as well. It’s why practically every physicist fully expects that, at some level, gravitation must be quantized as well. General Relativity, our current theory of gravity, functions in the same way that an old-style classical field does: it curves the backdrop of space, and then quantum interactions occur in that curved space. Without a quantized gravitational field, however, we can be certain we’re overlooking quantum gravitational effects that ought to exist, even if we aren’t certain of what all of them are.
"In the end, we’ve learned that quantum mechanics is fundamentally flawed on its own. That’s not because of anything weird or spooky that it brought along with it, but because it wasn’t quite weird enough to account for the physical phenomena that actually occur in reality. Particles do indeed have inherently quantum properties, but so do fields: all of them relativistically invariant. Even without a current quantum theory of gravity, it’s all but certain that every aspect of the Universe, particles and fields alike, are themselves quantum in nature. What that means for reality, exactly, is something we’re still trying to puzzle out."
Comment: an enormous article with much preliminary explanations. We still don't understand the underpinnings of our reality. It is quantum all the way down, just like the turtles.
Quantum Physics: imaginary numbers required
by David Turell , Thursday, December 23, 2021, 14:52 (1064 days ago) @ David Turell
Latest proof:
https://www.livescience.com/imaginary-numbers-needed-to-describe-reality
Imaginary numbers are necessary to accurately describe reality, two new studies have suggested.
Imaginary numbers are what you get when you take the square root of a negative number, and they have long been used in the most important equations of quantum mechanics, the branch of physics that describes the world of the very small. When you add imaginary numbers and real numbers, the two form complex numbers, which enable physicists to write out quantum equations in simple terms. But whether quantum theory needs these mathematical chimeras or just uses them as convenient shortcuts has long been controversial.
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But in the absence of hard experimental evidence to rule upon the predictions of these "all real" equations, a question has lingered: Are imaginary numbers an optional simplification, or does trying to work without them rob quantum theory of its ability to describe reality?
Now, two studies, published Dec. 15 in the journals Nature and Physical Review Letters, have proved Schrödinger wrong. By a relatively simple experiment, they show that if quantum mechanics is correct, imaginary numbers are a necessary part of the mathematics of our universe.
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The researchers stressed, however, that their experiment only rules out theories that forgo imaginary numbers if the reigning conventions of quantum mechanics are correct. Most scientists are very confident that this is the case, but this is an important caveat nonetheless.
Comment: If we use imaginary numbers that mathematicians make up to describe the quantum basis of reality, then any form of materialism is dead.
Quantum Physics: a new better gravity sensor
by David Turell , Saturday, February 26, 2022, 14:40 (999 days ago) @ David Turell
Just described:
https://www.sciencealert.com/quantum-gravity-sensor-enables-us-to-look-under-earth-s-su...
"Scientists would be able to discover much more about what lies underground if our planet could be sliced open and viewed as a cross-section – but as that's not really possible, they have to rely on a variety of other methods instead.
"One new approach has just been proven in the field: A recently developed device called a quantum gravity gradiometer has been used to successfully spot a tunnel buried a meter (a little over 3 feet) underground.
"Typical gravity sensors work by comparing slight differences in the positions of identical light waves. This works fine for large structures, but for smaller hidden objects the shimmy and shake of the ground, the equipment, and even random thermal vibrations make it increasingly harder to make out details.
"A quantum gravity sensor adds a filter that makes use of the wave-like nature of atoms in free-falling, ultra-cold clouds, radically improving the sensor's resolution. The almost imperceptible differences in how gravity affects these atoms reveal the composition of the ground underneath, highlighting gaps in the ground such as tunnels.
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"The new instrument is a type of atom interferometer – devices which have been in development for more than 20 years. The challenge has been getting them into a size and form that means they can be deployed practically outdoors.
"Now that the quantum gravity gradiometer has passed its first real-world test outside of the lab, it offers plenty of potential to be useful in any kind of scenario where we need to know what's lying underground.
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"That could be laying the foundations for a new subway system, for example, or in trying to predict a volcanic eruption. The new instrument is cheaper, faster, and more comprehensive than many currently available alternatives, and should also be more reliable in its mapping.
"In particular, the sensor excels at cutting out interference from vibrations, variations in temperature, and shifts in magnetic fields – all of which can make it difficult for pieces of equipment to figure out what's lying underground.
"'Detection of ground conditions such as mine workings, tunnels and unstable ground is fundamental to our ability to design, construct and maintain housing, industry and infrastructure," says geophysicist George Tuckwell, from the University of Birmingham.
"'The improved capability that this new technology represents could transform how we map the ground and deliver these projects."
"While this "new window into the underground" is operational, there are still some limitations in terms of the size and depth of the structures that can be detected, and how different a structure's density needs to be from its surroundings.
"Development on the device will continue, and the researchers are confident it can be made more portable and user-friendly in the future. It could get up to 100 times more sensitive with further study, the team behind the sensor says."
Comment: a testament to our ingenuity
Quantum Physics: a reminder about reality
by David Turell , Saturday, November 19, 2022, 21:07 (733 days ago) @ David Turell
We don't really know it:
https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/reality-objective-exist/?utm_source=mailchimp&a...
"...there had previously been a set of assumptions that came along with our notion of reality that are no longer universally agreed upon, and chief among them is that reality itself exists in a fashion that’s independent of the observer or measurer. In fact, two of the greatest advances of 20th century science — relativity and quantum mechanics — specifically challenge our notion of objective reality, and rather point to a reality that cannot be disentangled from the act of observing it. Here’s the bizarre science of what we know, today, about the notion of objective reality.
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"Does this mean that there is no such thing as objective reality? Not necessarily; there could be an underlying reality that exists whether we measure it or not, and our measurements and observations are just a crude, insufficient way to reveal the full, true character of what our objective reality actually is. Many people believe that this will someday be shown to be the case, but so far — and this advance was just awarded 2022’s Nobel Prize in Physics — we can place very meaningful constraints on what just type of “reality” exists independent of our observations and measurements. To the best that we can tell, the real outcomes that arise in the Universe cannot be divorced from who is measuring them, and how.
"It isn’t the job of science, contrary to popular belief, to explain the Universe that we inhabit. Instead, science’s goal is to accurately describe the Universe that we inhabit, and in that it’s been remarkably successful. But the questions that most of us get excited about asking — and we do it by default, without any prompting — often involve figuring out why certain phenomena happen. We love notions of cause-and-effect: that something occurs, and then later on, as a consequence of that first thing occurring, something else happens because of it. That’s true in many instances, but the quantum Universe can violate cause-in-effect as well in a variety of ways. (my bold)
"One such question that we cannot answer is whether there is such a thing as an objective, observer-independent reality. Many of us assume that it does, and we build our interpretations of quantum physics in such ways that they admit an underlying, objective reality. Others don’t make that assumption, and build equally valid interpretations of quantum physics that don’t necessarily have one. All we have to guide us, for better or for worse, is what we can observe and measure. We can physically describe that, successfully, either with or without an objective, observer-independent reality. At this moment in time, it’s up to each of us to decide whether we’d rather add on the philosophically satisfying but physically extraneous notion that “objective reality” is meaningful."
Comment: The reality we experience is not the underlying reality. Note my bold. Science tells us what God did, but not how. dhw always wants to know the how. Good luck!!! This essay is filled with examples of how to answer quantum mechanics with great value.
Quantum Physics: standard model proven again
by David Turell , Friday, February 24, 2023, 19:30 (636 days ago) @ David Turell
By measuring the electrons magnetic properties:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/standard-model-particle-physics
"In a new experiment, scientists measured a magnetic property of the electron more carefully than ever before, making the most precise measurement of any property of an elementary particle, ever. Known as the electron magnetic moment, it’s a measure of the strength of the magnetic field carried by the particle.
"That property is predicted by the standard model of particle physics, the theory that describes particles and forces on a subatomic level. In fact, it’s the most precise prediction made by that theory.
"By comparing the new ultraprecise measurement and the prediction, scientists gave the theory one of its strictest tests yet. The new measurement agrees with the standard model’s prediction to about 1 part in a trillion, or 0.1 billionths of a percent, physicists report in the February 17 Physical Review Letters.
"When a theory makes a prediction at high precision, it’s like a physicist’s Bat Signal, calling out for researchers to test it. “It’s irresistible to some of us,” says physicist Gerald Gabrielse of Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill.
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"The new result is more than twice as precise as the previous measurement, which stood for over 14 years, and which was also made by Gabrielse’s team. Now the researchers have finally outdone themselves. “When I saw the [paper] I said, ‘Wow, they did it,’” says Stefano Laporta, a theoretical physicist affiliated with University of Padua in Italy, who works on calculating the electron magnetic moment according to the standard model."
Comment: this attests to our ability to understand the deepest secrets of our reality.
Quantum Physics: the measurement problem
by David Turell , Monday, May 22, 2023, 23:56 (549 days ago) @ David Turell
Still no solution for it:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/quantum-theorys-measurement-problem-may-be-a...
"In textbook quantum theory, before collapse, the system is said to be in a superposition of two states.
"This collapse-inducing process is the murky source of the measurement problem: it’s an irreversible, one-time-only affair—and no one even knows what defines the process or boundaries of measurement. What amounts to a “measurement” or, for that matter, an “observer”? Do either of these things have physical constraints, such as minimal or maximal sizes?
"Quantum Theory's 'Measurement Problem' May Be a Poison Pill for Objective Reality
A core mystery of quantum physics hints that objective reality is illusory—or that the quantum world is even weirder than expected.
"At the heart of this bizarreness is what’s called the measurement problem...the measurement causes the system’s multiple possible states to randomly “collapse” into one definite state. But this accounting doesn’t define what constitutes a measurement—hence, the measurement problem.
"Attempts to avoid the measurement problem—for example, by envisaging a reality in which quantum states don’t collapse at all—have led physicists into strange terrain where measurement outcomes can be subjective.
" In a recent preprint, the trio proved a theorem that shows why certain theories—such as quantum mechanics—have a measurement problem in the first place and how one might develop alternative theories to sidestep it, thus preserving the “absoluteness” of any observed event.
"But their work also shows that preserving such absoluteness comes at a cost many physicists would deem prohibitive. “It’s a demonstration that there is no pain-free solution to this problem,” Ormrod says. “If we ever can recover absoluteness, then we’re going to have to give up on some physical principle that we really care about.”
"Holding on to absoluteness of observed events, it turns out, could mean that the quantum world is even weirder than we know it to be.
"Gaining a sense of what exactly Ormrod, Venkatesh and Barrett have achieved requires a crash course in the basic arcana of quantum foundations.
"In textbook quantum theory, before collapse, the system is said to be in a superposition of two states, and this quantum state is described by a mathematical construct called a wave function, which evolves in time and space. This evolution is both deterministic and reversible: given an initial wave function, one can predict what it’ll be at some future time, and one can in principle run the evolution backward to recover the prior state.
"This collapse-inducing process is the murky source of the measurement problem: it’s an irreversible, one-time-only affair—and no one even knows what defines the process or boundaries of measurement. What amounts to a “measurement” or, for that matter, an “observer”? Do either of these things have physical constraints, such as minimal or maximal sizes? And must they, too, be subject to various slippery quantum effects, or can they be somehow considered immune from such complications? None of these questions have easy, agreed-upon answers
"Given the example system, one model that preserves the absoluteness of the observed event—meaning that it’s either heads or tails for all observers—is the Ghirardi-Rimini-Weber theory (GRW). In GRW, quantum systems can exist in a superposition of states until they reach some as-yet-underdetermined size, at which point the superposition spontaneously and randomly collapses, independent of an observer. Whatever the outcome—heads or tails in our example—it shall hold for all observers.
:But GRW, which belongs to a broader class of “spontaneous collapse” theories, seemingly runs afoul of a long-cherished physical principle: the preservation of information....By postulating a random collapse, GRW theory destroys the possibility of knowing what led up to the collapsed state—which, by most accounts, means information about the system prior to its transformation becomes irrecoverably lost. “[GRW] would be a model that gives up information preservation, thereby preserving absoluteness of events,” Venkatesh says.
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"So if a theory is Bell nonlocal, it implicitly acknowledges the free will of the experimenters. “What I suspect is that they are sneaking in a free choice assumption,” Wiseman says.
"This is not to say that the proof is weaker. Rather it would have been stronger if it had not required an assumption of free will. As it happens, free will remains a requirement. Given that, the most profound import of this theorem could be that the universe is nonlocal in an entirely new way. If so, such nonlocality would equal or rival Bell nonlocality, an understanding of which has paved the way for quantum communications and quantum cryptography.
"In the end, only experiments will point the way toward the correct theory, and quantum physicists can only prepare themselves for any eventuality."
Comment: the universe is non-local. Any theory must include that concept. This dense quantum theorizing may not compute with all readers but it the basis of our reality.
Quantum Physics:Alice rings and monopoles
by David Turell , Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 17:51 (449 days ago) @ David Turell
More weird quantum stuff:
https://www.sciencealert.com/mysterious-loops-in-the-fabric-of-reality-physicists-get-f...
"Known as 'Alice rings' after the Alice of 'Wonderland' fame, the circular structures were observed by a collaboration between researchers in the US and Finland which already has a long list of discoveries concerning the distortions in quantum fields known as topological monopoles.
"The isolated equivalent of a pole on a magnet, monopoles truly sound like something Alice would have seen in her hunt for the white rabbit. Cutting a magnet in half won't succeed in separating its north from south, but monopoles can theoretically arise in the quantum machinery that gives rise to various forces and particles.
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"In 2015, just a year after proving a topological monopole's existence, Möttönen and his colleagues triumphantly succeeded in observing one in isolation for the first time in an ultra-cold state of rubidium atoms called a Bose-Einstein condensate (BEC).
"'We are the only ones who have been able to create topological monopoles in quantum fields," Möttönen explained to ScienceAlert.
"'After creating them, it took some time for us to also study quantum knots and skyrmions before we had a close look at what happens to the topological monopole right after it has been created."
"Less than two years after their initial observation, the collaboration made a surprise discovery – monopoles could decay into other types.
"In this latest investigation, the researchers again watched a topological monopole melt into something else, only this time the end result was more like a tiny doorway into Wonderland – structures named Alice strings.
"Alice strings are closely associated with monopoles, twisting into one-sided magnetic poles whenever they close into loops. And those loops of Alice strings are known as Alice rings.
"Yet while typical monopoles might last a few thousandths of a second, Alice rings stick around for more than 80 milliseconds – some 20 times longer.
"'From a distance, the Alice ring just looks like a monopole, but the world takes a different shape when peering through the center of the ring," says David Hall, a physicist from Amherst College in the US.
"Like Alice's own looking glass, passing through the strange magnetic loop in a BEC's quantum field can turn everything on its head. Other monopoles that happen to fall through become reversed into their mirror-versions, flipping the ring into its opposite as they slide on through."
Comment: quantum physics advances get weirder and weirder in their discoveries, but this is the basis of our reality. The answer to the question 'why' can only be it is required.
Quantum Physics: the Pauli exclusion principal
by David Turell , Thursday, October 12, 2023, 17:40 (406 days ago) @ David Turell
Explained:
https://www.sciencealert.com/what-is-the-pauli-exclusion-principle?utm_source=ScienceAl...
"The Pauli exclusion principle is a rule in quantum mechanics that explains why only a limited number of electrons can occupy any one of an atom's orbitals.
"Predicted by Austrian theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli in the 1920s, the exclusion principle underpins basic chemistry, and helps explain why massive objects like neutron stars and white dwarfs resist gravity crushing them into infinitely small black holes.
"Pauli's exclusion principle states two or more bound electrons can't have the same four quantum numbers when in the same system. Particles with the same energy, magnetic quantum number, intrinsic angular momentum, and orbital angular momentum simply cannot sit in the same seat around an atom's center stage.
"The reason for this is more a feature of mathematics than anything, so it can be a little hard to picture.
"To appreciate it, we need to stop thinking of electrons as tiny solid objects (like the picture below on the left) and remember they are more like flickering 'ghosts' that haven't really worked out where to appear yet.
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"One is that any two particles sitting at the same level of energy around a nucleus – with otherwise identical characteristics – would behave nothing like electrons.
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"a fundamental part of an electron's wave-like behavior forbids them from overlapping perfectly with one another. It's a principle of identity that applies not just to electrons but to all subatomic particles that belong to the group of fermions. (My bold)
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"Astronomers also note the consequences of this exclusion principle – it takes an incredible amount of energy to force electrons into spaces they don't typically move in, such as the inside of protons, which helps explain the workings of exotic objects like neutron stars. Push hard enough, and they may even lose all identity, mushing together into the space of a black hole's core."
Comment: the key is the bolded paragraph which tells us electrons repel other electrons very strongly. In an atom, electrons will occupy different orbits if another orbit is filled with its electrons.
Quantum Physics: non-locality
by David Turell , Saturday, October 21, 2023, 22:06 (397 days ago) @ David Turell
It is connected everywhere:
https://quizwithit.com/start/1696811301328x301364883622124100
"This update of the wave-function is also sometimes called the collapse or reduction of the wave-function and it’s a key element of quantum mechanics. If you don’t update the wave-function, you will get wrong probabilities. If you want to know for example, what’s the probability of measuring the particle on the left given that it was measured on the right, the answer should be zero. But this only comes out correctly if you update the wave-function.
"The update of the wave-function is instantaneous. It happens at the same time everywhere and is the reason why quantum mechanics is non-local. This wave-function update is what Einstein called a “spooky action at a distance”.
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'If quantum mechanics is fundamentally correct, then the world is non-local, period. But if there’s an underlying reality in which the outcome of a measurement was determined, we just didn’t know of it, then this reality could well be local. This is called a hidden variables model.
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"The reason that quantum mechanics is non-local is a combination of (a) the observational fact that a measurement outcome in one place tells you something about another measurement outcome in another place. If you measure the particle here, you now know you won’t measure it there. Fact, not interpretation. And (b) the absence of other variables in the theory that could have carried the information locally. This is why quantum mechanics is non-local.
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"The Many Worlds interpretation now is based on the idea that you can throw out the update of the wave-function by re-interpreting what happens in a measurement. According to this interpretation, all outcomes of a measurement happen, each in its own universe. But we can only ever see the result in one universe, so for us it *looks like the wave-function collapses.
"Instead of the measurement update, in many worlds, we have what is called a “branching” or “splitting” of worlds. This branching makes it impossible for one observer to see more than one outcome of a measurement. The major challenge for many worlds is to explain why the thing we call an observer does not itself branch with those worlds therefore sees all the outcomes, but somehow randomly only experiences one of those worlds.
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but then Many Worlds makes the same predictions and standard quantum mechanics.
"It also leaves you with the mind blowing idea that each time a quantum particle bounces off another one, which happens gazillions of times a second, our entire universe splits, and anything that can happen does happen. Had salad for lunch today? Well in some other universe you had pizza, with Elon Musk, on Mars. Whatever you can think of, so long as it respects the laws of nature, it’s real, in some parallel universe.
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"No, the biggest problem with many worlds is that its supporters believe their interpretation is somehow better than the standard interpretation with the collapse when it’s really just as mediocre.
"Many worlds supporters often claim that their interpretation is simpler because it just does away with the collapse postulate. But as we saw earlier, you need the collapse postulate to calculate probabilities. You can’t just throw it out, that doesn’t work. And indeed, this is not how the many worlds interpretation works. It’s how Many Worlds supporters *say* that it works, but it’s not true.
"At this point things get a bit murky because there isn’t just one many worlds interpretation. There are two original ones, going back to Hugh Everett and Bryce DeWitt, but meanwhile there are dozens of slightly different versions.
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"I find it surprising how many physicists are confused by this. Lots of papers have been written about how many worlds can be made local. But of course, the only way to make it local would be to introduce some kind of hidden variable that transports information locally.
"This was exactly the point of the famous paper by Albert Einstein, Boris Podolsky and Nathan Rosen, now just known as the EPR paper. They said, if you want reality to be local, you need an element of reality that underlies quantum mechanics, therefore quantum mechanics is incomplete. The paper’s now almost 90 years old, but physicists still don’t get it, do they.
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"As Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen said, if you want to have a local theory, you need something to transport the information locally. The wave-function doesn’t do it, so you need something else. The many worlds interpretation doesn’t introduce anything new to get the job done, so of course it’s still non-local.
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"In summary, the Many Worlds interpretation is neither wrong nor unscientific, but it’s exactly as problematic as standard quantum mechanics. Whether you believe that all those parallel universes exist is up to you. We can neither confirm them nor rule them out."
Comment: Hossenfelder is being polite. Many worlds theory is mental masturbation, totally unproven and unproveable. No matter how far apart particles are split each one knows what the other is doing.
Quantum Physics: the electroweak force
by David Turell , Thursday, November 30, 2023, 17:17 (357 days ago) @ David Turell
Controls decay:
https://www.symmetrymagazine.org/article/what-is-the-electroweak-force
"The electromagnetic force and the weak force differ greatly in their functions, mechanisms, ranges and strength. But in the 1960s, scientists realized that both are expressions of a single, unified fundamental force: the electroweak force.
"When we look at how the electromagnetic and the weak nuclear forces function in our universe, it’s easy to see why physicists didn’t immediately catch on to their special relationship.
"Electromagnetism provides the electricity we use to access digital articles, like this one, and the visible light we need to see the words on our screens. It is responsible for the Earth’s magnetic field, which prevents us from being flash-fried by cosmic rays, and it even enables the chemical bonds required for biological life.
"The weak nuclear force, while also essential, is considerably less versatile. It is primarily responsible for radioactive beta decay, a subatomic process that causes unstable particles to transform into other, less massive particles. This decay is crucial for the nuclear reactions that power the sun and other stars.
"And electromagnetism and the weak nuclear force don’t differ just in their effects; the particles that make up each of these forces are just as distinct.
"One of the basic tenets of particle physics is that everything in our regular, everyday world is made of particles. These particles are really “local excitations,” essentially tiny wiggles, within quantum fields that pervade all of space. Each type of particle is described by a quantum field.
"A local excitation of the electromagnetic field is called a photon. All of the electromagnetic effects we observe are the result of the photon’s unique combination of qualities. It has no electric charge, and it has no mass. With nothing to slow it down, it zooms across the universe at lightspeed.
"The weak force is mediated by a different particle—three of them, in fact: the neutral Z boson and two W bosons, one bearing a positive and the other a negative electric charge. Relative to the fleet-footed photon, these three weak-force particles are heavy and comparatively slow. They’ll quickly disintegrate if they travel even the width of an atomic nucleus.
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"Physicists now understand that at some point in the fractions of seconds immediately following the Big Bang, there was one, combined electroweak force. Mere picoseconds later, this unified electroweak force split into the electromagnetic and weak forces we see today.
"For decades, scientists were unsure of how this transition happened, postulating that something must have broken this force apart. “When the universe cooled from a very high temperature down to lower temperatures, it underwent a phase transition at the energy scale at which the electroweak force breaks,” says Tevong You, an assistant professor in physics at King’s College London. “This is very similar to if you change the temperature of a pond, and you go from a liquid phase to ice” at 32 degrees Fahrenheit.
"Whatever broke apart the electroweak force during that phase transition had to result in the four original massless electroweak force particles transforming into three very massive weak-force particles and one massless electromagnetic particle, the photon.
"Based on this idea, scientists predicted the existence of a quantum field that could give mass to some (but not all) elementary particles: the Higgs field. In 2012, scientists at experiments at the Large Hadron Collider announced the discovery of the particle associated with that field, the Higgs boson."
Comment: Well, we learn how the Higgs boson was found. I've left out a complex discussion of gauge theory in which the constraints of a particle's activities are mathematically described. Remember all particles have fields of action.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by dhw, Sunday, August 21, 2016, 11:04 (3014 days ago) @ David Turell
Thank you for your response to all my questions and comments. It seems we are in complete agreement on all aspects of this subject: - 1)	The idea that our knowledge of known particles proves they are part of an integrated plan strongly suggesting the existence of God is simply your subjective conclusion. - 2)	We will always be separated from ultimate reality, but that does not mean ultimate reality does not exist. - 3)	There is no reason to claim that everyday reality can be changed by consciousness alone (this theory is confined to quantum experiments). - 4)	You are as mystified as I am by the jumble of statements about light, energy and matter. - 5)	(My favourite:) These theories are only theories, and “they don't really explain anything”. - (See under "Before the big bang" and "More causality weirdness"..for further comment)
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by David Turell , Sunday, August 21, 2016, 17:55 (3014 days ago) @ dhw
dhw:Thank you for your response to all my questions and comments. It seems we are in complete agreement on all aspects of this subject: > > 1)	The idea that our knowledge of known particles proves they are part of an integrated plan strongly suggesting the existence of God is simply your subjective conclusion. - The fact that the pattern of particles could be ascertained and understood to the point that it allowed accurate predictions is highly suggestive of a planned pattern with a mind behind it. Yes my subjective conclusion. > > 2) dhw: We will always be separated from ultimate reality, but that does not mean ultimate reality does not exist. - Yes. > > 3)dhw: There is no reason to claim that everyday reality can be changed by consciousness alone (this theory is confined to quantum experiments). - Agreed. > > 4)dhw:	You are as mystified as I am by the jumble of statements about light, energy and matter. - Yes. It is mysticism. > > 5)dhw: (My favourite:) These theories are only theories, and “they don't really explain anything”. - Feynman roughly said anyone who claimed he understood quantum mechanics was lying.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by BBella , Monday, August 22, 2016, 21:24 (3013 days ago) @ dhw
PART TWO > > Firstly, I don't understand why it has to be a hologram. Why can't it simply be what it appears to be: matter and energy layered with information? Why does a hologram enable something to contain information about the entire universe? And why must every segment contain information about the entire universe for there to be consciousness in all things (an extreme form of panpsychism)? Do we believe that a lump of rock is conscious? A lump of rock certainly contains information (what it is composed of, how it came into existence, what experiences it has undergone during that existence), but I would suggest that only a conscious mind like ours can extract such information. How does panpsychism lead to the conclusion that light is the medium and the message? - In answer to your question: why it has to be a hologram? - I wished I had the ability to answer with my own words, but since I do not, I found this to be the best answer that works for me. - http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographic-Universe.htm
Quantum Physics: virtual particles explained, sort-of
by David Turell , Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 01:44 (3013 days ago) @ BBella
This article explains in easier terms what virtual particles are in space:-http://www.livescience.com/55833-what-are-virtual-particles.html?utm_source=ls-newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160822-ls-"Take, for example, "virtual particles." The term is supposed to answer a very old question: How, exactly, do particles interact? Let's say we have two charged particles, and let's call them Charles and Charlene. Let's continue to say that both Charles and Charlene are negatively charged. Maybe they're electrons; maybe they're muons. Doesn't matter. What matters is that if Charlene comes racing toward Charles, they bounce off each other and end up going their separate ways. -***-"The modern perspective of quantum field theory recognizes photons — bits of light — as the carriers of the electromagnetic force. Charles and Charlene are charged particles, so they interact with light. But obviously, Charles and Charlene aren't shooting lasers at each other, so the trite explanation for their brief dalliance is that "they exchange virtual photons."-"What in the name of Feynman's ghost does that mean?-***-"each charged particle generates an electric field, which is basically an instruction sheet for how other particles can interact with it. In the case of a particle, this field is strong nearby the particle and weaker farther out. That field also points out in every direction away from the particle. -"So our Charles particle produces a field that permeates all of space. Other particles, like Charlene, can read this field and move accordingly. If Charlene is super-duper far away from Charles, the field she reads has very, very small numbers, so she barely notices any effect from Charles. But when she gets close, her field reader goes off the charts. Charles' electric field is very clearly saying "GO AWAY," and she obliges.-"In this view, the field is just as real and important as the particle. The universe is full of stuff, and the fields tell that stuff how to interact with other stuff.-"In the early to mid-20th century, physicists realized that the universe is a much, much stranger place than we had imagined. Marrying special relativity with quantum mechanics, they developed quantum field theory, and let's just say the results weren't what anybody expected.-"As the name suggests, the field got a promotion. Instead of just being the bookkeeping device that showed how one particle should interact with another, it became — and here come some italics for emphasis — the primary physical object. In this modern, sophisticated view of the universe, the electron isn't just a lonely particle. Oh no. Instead, there's an electron field, permeating all of space and time like milk in French toast.-***-"This field is it — it's the thing. Particles? They're just pinched-off bits of that field. Or, more accurately, they're excitations (like, wiggles) of the field that can travel freely. -***-"Since he's charged, by definition he interacts with light, which is the electromagnetic field. So wiggles in the electron field (a field made up of electrons) can affect wiggles in the electromagnetic field. So, literally, as Charles zips around, he spends some of his time as an electron-field wiggle and some of his time as an electromagnetic-field wiggle. Sometimes he's an electron, and sometimes he's a photon — a bit of the electromagnetic (EM) field!-"Charles-turned-EM-wiggle can become other wiggles, like muon wiggles. For every fundamental particle in the universe, there's a corresponding field, and they all talk to one another and wiggle back and forth constantly.-***-"The fields wiggle to and fro (and sometimes fro and to). If the wiggles persist and travel, we call them "particles." If they die off quickly, we call them "virtual particles." But fundamentally, they're both wiggles of fields.-"When Charles encounters Charlene, they're not like two little bullets ready to slam into each other. Instead, they're complicated sets of wiggles in all sorts of fields, phasing in and out from one type of field to another.-"When they do get close enough to interact, it's … messy. Very messy. Wiggles and counter-wiggles, a frenzied mishmash of intermingling. The machinery of quantum field theory — after many tedious calculations — does indeed provide the correct answer (Charles and Charlene bounce off each other)-"So, the shorthand — "they exchange virtual particles" — rolls off the tongue quite easily, a little slip of jargon to package up a very complicated process.-"But, unfortunately, it's not very accurate."-Comment: Clear as mud!? Our concept of reality and our language can't really handle it. A particle is primarily the 'strong area' in an energy field and quantum calculations of it require much time on giant computers. Read the whole article for full flavor if not full understanding. And another complication is that the EM force and the weak force ( of the four basic forces) are two parts of the 'electroweak force'. All as the basis of our reality, and I view it planned by God. This is a beginning of our knowledge, but someday we might understand the 'why'.
Quantum Physics: virtual particles are not nothing
by David Turell , Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 00:37 (2859 days ago) @ David Turell
Virtual particles pop into and out of our realm of existence in the 'vacuum' of our space. Where they come from is still not understood Ruth Kastner showed us a few years ago:
"One of the more absurd facts of the universe is that empty space is never empty. At tiny scales particles are constantly popping in and out of existence – and these so-called “virtual” particles have a very real influence on the world around us.
"Now, using a trick of quantum optics as astonishing as it is weird, physicists from the University of Konstanz in Germany have found a way to manipulate nothingness by controlling how virtual particles interact with a pulse of light.
"The work, published in Nature, will be important for improving the most sensitive instruments that use light, such as used in the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-wave Observatory (LIGO) which detected gravitational waves last year.
"These so-called “virtual” particles have a real effect on the universe. For instance, the virtual particles cause a ghost-like, but measurable force, called Casimir force, that pushes two mirrors together in a vacuum. And the appearance of virtual particles on the edge of a black hole is what causes Hawking radiation (if it exists).
"Like dogs snapping at the wheels of a passing car, virtual particles also worry the edges of passing photons. This interaction slightly muddle’s the photon’s shape, distorting it from a perfect sine wave to something a bit fuzzier.
"In October 2015, Alfred Leitenstorfer and a University of Konstanz team made one of the first direct detections of virtual particles by mapping out this photon fuzziness.
"Now, in an unprecedented advance, Leitenstorfer’s team have actually managed to manipulate that fuzziness, decreasing it in some locations along the light wave and increasing it in others.
"The result is a so-called “squeezed light” wave – one that’s very noisy in some parts, but extremely quiet in others. The quiet regions are even quieter than the Uncertainty Principle would say is possible – a feature that could make for incredibly precise measuring instruments.
"The experiment was based on a technique physicists have used since the 1980s to probe one pulse of light with another by firing them into a special crystal.
"Via the crystal, the two light pulses interact, slightly changing the way the shorter “probe” pulse oscillates. In effect, the probe pulse “feels” the wiggle of the other, longer, light wave.
"By changing the timing of the two pulses, and repeating a few million times, Leitenstorfer’s team mapped out the wiggle of light – and so measure its noise at different positions. So far, this is just what the team achieved in 2015.
Incredibly, this time around, the team used the intensity of the probe pulse to disturb the vacuum itself, causing a build-up of virtual particles in some regions and a depletion in others.
"The virtual particles, so rearranged, interact differently with the longer light wave. In built up pockets they make the light wave noisier while in the depleted regions the light wave is quieter.
"In a perspective piece for Nature, Marco Bellini, a physicist in the extreme light group at the Italian National Institute of Optics, points out that selecting these “quiet moments” could lead to gravitational wave detectors working in “a new regime of exceptional precision and sensitivity”.
"The bottom line is, manipulating nothingness will help us listen out for even fainter rumbles of black holes colliding a billion light years distant. How about that for something out of nothing?"
Comment: The scientists made the virtual particle appear at their will. They are obviously not nothing but appear from a 'somewhere' we still do not understand. I presented this article to make my point, but the new results are an outstanding advance to help study the universe.
Quantum Physics: virtual particles are not nothing
by dhw, Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 14:43 (2858 days ago) @ David Turell
QUOTE: "Now, using a trick of quantum optics as astonishing as it is weird, physicists from the University of Konstanz in Germany have found a way to manipulate nothingness by controlling how virtual particles interact with a pulse of light."
David’s comment: The scientists made the virtual particle appear at their will. They are obviously not nothing but appear from a 'somewhere' we still do not understand. I presented this article to make my point, but the new results are an outstanding advance to help study the universe.
Your comment is very helpful, as you seem as puzzled as I am. Please can you explain what they mean by “virtual”. As an ignorant layman, I take it to mean “not real” (as in man-made computer games). If the particles are not “real” and not man-made, how can they be controlled and how can they interact with reality? And if they can be controlled and can interact with reality, what is “nothing”?
I am proud to inform you that I spent 33 years teaching at the University of Konstanz (as one of the very first generation of tutors) – but not in the physics department!
Quantum Physics: virtual particles are not nothing
by David Turell , Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 14:53 (2858 days ago) @ dhw
QUOTE: "Now, using a trick of quantum optics as astonishing as it is weird, physicists from the University of Konstanz in Germany have found a way to manipulate nothingness by controlling how virtual particles interact with a pulse of light."
David’s comment: The scientists made the virtual particle appear at their will. They are obviously not nothing but appear from a 'somewhere' we still do not understand. I presented this article to make my point, but the new results are an outstanding advance to help study the universe.
dhw: Your comment is very helpful, as you seem as puzzled as I am. Please can you explain what they mean by “virtual”. As an ignorant layman, I take it to mean “not real” (as in man-made computer games). If the particles are not “real” and not man-made, how can they be controlled and how can they interact with reality? And if they can be controlled and can interact with reality, what is “nothing”?
I am proud to inform you that I spent 33 years teaching at the University of Konstanz (as one of the very first generation of tutors) – but not in the physics department!
Since you taught English, I'll try to explain the physics concept: 'virtual' means the particles pop into and out of our reality of existence. Where they come from and where they go is the unknown issue addressed by Ruth Kastner. They are not unreal if they can be herded! Evanescent might be a better term for them. Whew!
Quantum Physics: virtual particles are not nothing
by dhw, Wednesday, January 25, 2017, 13:37 (2857 days ago) @ David Turell
QUOTE: "Now, using a trick of quantum optics as astonishing as it is weird, physicists from the University of Konstanz in Germany have found a way to manipulate nothingness by controlling how virtual particles interact with a pulse of light."
David’s comment: The scientists made the virtual particle appear at their will. They are obviously not nothing but appear from a 'somewhere' we still do not understand. I presented this article to make my point, but the new results are an outstanding advance to help study the universe.
dhw: Your comment is very helpful, as you seem as puzzled as I am. Please can you explain what they mean by “virtual”. As an ignorant layman, I take it to mean “not real” (as in man-made computer games). If the particles are not “real” and not man-made, how can they be controlled and how can they interact with reality? And if they can be controlled and can interact with reality, what is “nothing”?
I am proud to inform you that I spent 33 years teaching at the University of Konstanz (as one of the very first generation of tutors) – but not in the physics department!
DAVID: Since you taught English, I'll try to explain the physics concept: 'virtual' means the particles pop into and out of our reality of existence. Where they come from and where they go is the unknown issue addressed by Ruth Kastner. They are not unreal if they can be herded! Evanescent might be a better term for them. Whew!
Many thanks, David. If this is correct, unknown particles that come and go are no less real than known particles that come and go, including ourselves. The word “virtual” is therefore highly misleading, as is the word “nothing”. Not knowing the origin of something does not mean it is not real or that it comes from nothing. I think this is one issue on which we agree!
Quantum Physics: virtual particles are not nothing
by David Turell , Thursday, January 26, 2017, 01:43 (2857 days ago) @ dhw
DAVID: Since you taught English, I'll try to explain the physics concept: 'virtual' means the particles pop into and out of our reality of existence. Where they come from and where they go is the unknown issue addressed by Ruth Kastner. They are not unreal if they can be herded! Evanescent might be a better term for them. Whew!dhw: Many thanks, David. If this is correct, unknown particles that come and go are no less real than known particles that come and go, including ourselves. The word “virtual” is therefore highly misleading, as is the word “nothing”. Not knowing the origin of something does not mean it is not real or that it comes from nothing. I think this is one issue on which we agree!
Thank you. At last a full agreement. Can there be others!
Quantum Physics: Heisenberg uncertainty fooled
by David Turell , Thursday, March 23, 2017, 14:21 (2800 days ago) @ David Turell
This group shows you can get more measurements with trickery:
https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/heisenberg-s-effect-less-certain?utm_source=Today+in...
"Named after German scientist Werner Heisenberg, the principle demonstrates that on a quantum level there is a limit to the precision with which complementary properties can be measured. If you plot the angle of an electron, for instance, you can’t then also measure its amplitude, or rate of spin.
"The uncertainty principle is truly fundamental. It is often confused with the “observer effect” that also bedevils the quantum world, wherein certain properties of a quantum set-up collapse as a consequence of measurements being taken.
"Heisenberg’s formula operates in every wave-system, even when no-one is looking.
This week, however, a team led by Giorgio Colangelo of the Barcelona Institute of Science and Technology demonstrated that while uncertainty can’t be avoided, it can be out-flanked.
"In a paper published in Nature, Colangelo and colleagues show that it is possible to “direct” the uncertainty that arises from measuring one property of a neutron or electron into another that doesn’t require attention – thus permitting near-perfect measurement of a third.
"To put it bluntly: it turns out that it is, after all, possible to measure both the amplitude and the angle of an electron, as long as you don’t care about its elevation.
"Colangelo’s team worked on the basis that an electron has two angles of spin, rather than one. The first – the one for which precision would be useful – aligns with the points of the compass. The second aligns with the horizon, and is irrelevant in terms of how it adds complementary information to knowledge of the electron’s angle, the initial property measured.
"To test the idea, the scientists first cooled a small cloud of atoms to just above zero degrees Kelvin. They then applied a magnetic field to induce spin (the same principle an MRI machine uses) and pointed a laser at it to measure it.
“'By directing the quantum measurement back-action almost entirely into an unmeasured spin component,” they write in Nature, they enabled “simultaneous precise knowledge of spin angle and spin amplitude”.
"In doing so, they didn’t violate Heisenberg – an impossible task, anyway – but they did evade it.
"Describing the result, team member Morgan Mitchell of the Institute of Photonic Sciences in Spain opts for a pop culture reference.
"'To scientists, the uncertainty principle is very frustrating – we'd like to know everything, but Heisenberg says we can't,” he says.
“'In this case, though, we found a way to know everything that matters to us. It's like the Rolling Stones song: you can't always get what you want / but if you try sometimes you just might find / you get what you need.'"
Comment: Quantum mechanics are the basis of the universe, never fully knowable, but clever humans can work their way around the enigmas. However never completely. We have no idea why the universe is based this way. We may have to simply accept it without full understanding ever developing. God is concealed and has concealed some of His methodology.
Quantum Physics: ambiguous causality
by David Turell , Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 20:46 (2703 days ago) @ David Turell
Cause and effect is all tangled up in quantum mechanics. Which came first is never clear:
https://www.nature.com/news/how-quantum-trickery-can-scramble-cause-and-effect-1.22208
" Walther's group has shown that it is impossible to say in which order these photons pass through a pair of gates as they zip around the lab. It's not that this information gets lost or jumbled — it simply doesn't exist. In Walther's experiments, there is no well-defined order of events.
"This finding1 in 2015 made the quantum world seem even stranger than scientists had thought. Walther's experiments mash up causality: the idea that one thing leads to another. It is as if the physicists have scrambled the concept of time itself, so that it seems to run in two directions at once.
"In everyday language, that sounds nonsensical. But within the mathematical formalism of quantum theory, ambiguity about causation emerges in a perfectly logical and consistent way.
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"What's more, thinking about the 'causal structure' of quantum mechanics — which events precede or succeed others — might prove to be more productive, and ultimately more intuitive, than couching it in the typical mind-bending language that describes photons as being both waves and particles, or events as blurred by a haze of uncertainty.
"And because causation is really about how objects influence one another across time and space, this new approach could provide the first steps towards uniting the two cornerstone theories of physics and resolving one of the most profound scientific challenges today. “Causality lies at the interface between quantum mechanics and general relativity,” says Walther's collaborator Časlav Brukner, a theorist at the Institute for Quantum Optics and Quantum Information in Vienna, “and so it could help us to think about how one could merge the two conceptually.”
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"what the Copenhagen interpretation does at least seem to retain is a time-ordering logic: a measurement can't induce an effect until after it has been made. For event A to have any effect on event B, A has to happen first. The trouble is that this logic has unravelled over the past decade, as researchers have realized that it is possible to imagine quantum scenarios in which one simply can't say which of two related events happens first.
"Classically, this situation sounds impossible. True, we might not actually know whether A or B happened first — but one of them surely did. Quantum indeterminacy, however, isn't a lack of knowledge; it's a fundamental prohibition on pronouncing on any 'true state of affairs' before a measurement is made.
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"Last year, Walther and his colleagues devised a way to measure the photon as it passes through the two gates without immediately changing what they know about it6. They encode the result of the measurement in the photon itself, but do not read it out at the time. Because the photon goes through the whole circuit before it is detected and the measurement is revealed, that information can't be used to reconstruct the gate order. It's as if you asked someone to keep a record of how they feel during a trip and then relay the information to you later — so that you can't deduce exactly when and where they were when they wrote it down.
"As the Vienna researchers showed, this ignorance preserves the causal superposition. “We don't extract any information about the measurement result until the very end of the entire process, when the final readout takes place,” says Walther. “So the outcome of the measurement process, and the time when it was made, are hidden but still affect the final result.”
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"Quantum causality might supply a point of entry to some of the hardest questions in physics — such as where quantum mechanics comes from.
Quantum theory has always looked a little ad hoc. The Schrödinger equation works marvellously to predict the outcomes of quantum experiments, but researchers are still arguing about what it means, because it's not clear what the physics behind it is.
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“"If quantum theory is a theory about how nature processes and distributes information, then asking in which ways events can influence each other may reveal the rules of this processing.” (my bold)
"And quantum causality might go even further by showing how one can start to fit quantum theory into the framework of general relativity, which accounts for gravitation. “The fact that causal structure plays such a central role in general relativity motivates us to investigate in which ways it can 'behave quantumly',” says Ried."
Comment: As confusing as usual, but note my bold. God has the universe and life running on quantum information processes
Quantum Physics:observe and heat runs backwards
by David Turell , Tuesday, October 10, 2017, 14:16 (2599 days ago) @ David Turell
A recent observation finds heat can run in the wrong direction:
"Heat flows from hot things to cold things. That’s common sense. It’s also one way to state the second law of thermodynamics, which is notoriously one of the universe’s strictest rules.
"In the nanoscale world ruled by quantum mechanics, however, causing heat to flow backwards may be as easy as making an observation.
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“Initially we thought it was an error,” says Rubio. “We didn’t expect there was going to be a complete change of flow.”
"The researchers designed a tiny device comprising two small groups of atoms, both kept at a constant temperature and connected to each other by two wires. In normal circumstances, heat will flow from the hotter side to the cooler one, and – unless an electric field is applied – no electrons will move around in the wires.
"However, if a single point on one of the wires is observed, Rubio’s team calculated that everything will change. Depending on which point is observed, the flow of heat can be strengthened, weakened, or even reversed. At some points, observation will also cause a current of electrons to begin circulating in the wires.
"(‘Observation’ in the quantum mechanics sense is not quite the same as having a peek: it means an interaction between the test system and some external device that can measure the state of the system at a certain point.)
"This certainly seems odd, but Rubio is at pains to convey that nothing untoward is happening: there is no “infringement of any fundamental theorem of physics nor is energy created out of nothing”.
"The secret, according to the paper, is that the observation allows a “purely quantum coherent heat flow” to occur. This means that, while heat flows uphill inside the test device, it is balanced out by heat flows in the larger system of the device-plus-observer.
"The researchers relate the process to what are known in thermodynamics as “dissipative structures” -- temporary forms of organisation that help imbalances of heat or energy even out more quickly. (Examples of dissipative structures or systems include cyclones, lasers and all living things.)
"It’s a fascinating result with implications for the study and control of nanoscale devices, but any applications are still a long way off.
“'We have proposed a simple model and the theory can be easily verified,” says Rubio. “Carrying out this process experimentally would be another matter.'”
Comment: Quantum mechanics remain entirely counterintuitive, and yet are the basis of the mechanics of the universe. If this is a practice of God's mind, and it probably is, should we really expect to be able to understand the way His mind works or His motives?
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by David Turell , Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 01:50 (3013 days ago) @ BBella
PART TWO > > > > BBella: Firstly, I don't understand why it has to be a hologram. Why can't it simply be what it appears to be: matter and energy layered with information? Why does a hologram enable something to contain information about the entire universe? And why must every segment contain information about the entire universe for there to be consciousness in all things (an extreme form of panpsychism)? Do we believe that a lump of rock is conscious? A lump of rock certainly contains information (what it is composed of, how it came into existence, what experiences it has undergone during that existence), but I would suggest that only a conscious mind like ours can extract such information. How does panpsychism lead to the conclusion that light is the medium and the message? > > In answer to your question: why it has to be a hologram? > > I wished I had the ability to answer with my own words, but since I do not, I found this to be the best answer that works for me. > > http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographic-Universe.htm - Excellent review of Bohm. Hope my entry helps.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by dhw, Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 15:30 (3012 days ago) @ BBella
BBELLA: In answer to your question: why it has to be a hologram? I wished I had the ability to answer with my own words, but since I do not, I found this to be the best answer that works for me.-http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-David-Bohm-Holographic-Universe.htm-A very revealing article. Many thanks, BBella. I have extracted some quotes which seem to me to put rIght many of the misleading claims we have been reading about. -QUOTE: The holo portion signifies that reality is structured in a manner that is very similar to holography. Bohm says that the universe is like a hologram.-OK if it's an image. The essence seems to be that the unified whole has many different layers, which we can only see selectively. QUOTE: Therefore, depending on the direction and frequency of the beam that you send through the film, a different hologram will appear. So, if applied to the brain, consciousness literally becomes the co-creator of the reality portrayed depending upon its angle of perception. This does not mean that if I am looking at a tree, it is not really there. The tree is there on multidimensional levels, which means that I am seeing a cross-section of the tree depending on the level of consciousness that I am tuned into. If the brain is a decoder of sorts, then it can be tuned to different states or frequencies of consciousness, and I will see different levels of tree reality depending upon which one I'm on.-The all-important factor for me is that the tree is real, but we can only perceive aspects of it. My disagreement with some of the articles we have been reading (and also my disagreement with Ruth Kastner) concerns two arguments: that objective reality may not exist, and that quantum reality may be more real than everyday reality. My view has always been firstly that although our perception of reality is subjective, that does NOT mean there is no such thing as objective reality; secondly, that the reality we live in has proved itself over and over again to be real, through experience, experimentation and invention, and I do not accept the claim that another potential reality may be more real than this one. (My little tale of Professor Mia Pratt was meant to demonstrate that.) QUOTE: Therefore, mind contributes to the phenomenon of reality itself, not just to the knowledge of it. In a brain that operates holographically, the remembered image of a thing can have as much impact on the senses as the thing itself. -I would put it differently: mind contributes nothing to the phenomenon of reality itself; it only contributes to our perception of reality. And it is our perception of reality, THROUGH the senses, which in turn impacts upon the mind. The impact is also real, but that does not necessarily mean that the perception corresponds to the objective reality. (It would have done during Mia Pratt's last moments, but it never does when I try to assemble a cupboard.) -QUOTE: According to the holographic model, the mind/body ultimately cannot distinguish the difference between the neural holograms the brain uses to experience reality and the ones it conjures up while imagining reality. This effect is so powerful that each of us possesses the ability, at least at some level, to influence our health and control our physical form.-Proven to be true, in so far as the mind is known to affect the body. But you don't need a holographic image to understand that. In matters of perception (both physical and psychological), we generally do not know where the borderline lies between experience and imagination. All our perceptions are limited to a number of dots, and so it is the imagination that joins the dots into a pattern. Whatever pattern of reality we form will influence our response to what we believe to be that reality. That response may well influence our health, i.e. may affect the physical as well as the mental side of our being.-QUOTE: It isn't that the world of appearances is wrong; it isn't there aren't objects out there, at one level of reality. It's that if you penetrate through and look at the universe with a holographic system, you arrive at a different reality. And that other reality can explain things that have hitherto remained inexplicable scientifically: paranormal phenomena, and synchronicities, the apparently meaningful coincidence of events.-Superb! There are different levels of reality, and we cannot say that one level is more important or more “real” than another. Since our means of perception are so limited, we have no idea what other potential realities there are, but we should not assume that they are there until we find them, and we should not assume they are not there if there seems to be evidence that they are. This applies as much to paranormal phenomena as to particles. I still don't know why we need the image of the hologram, but if people find it helpful, that's fine with me!
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by David Turell , Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 18:44 (3012 days ago) @ dhw
> dhw: Superb! There are different levels of reality, and we cannot say that one level is more important or more “real” than another. Since our means of perception are so limited, we have no idea what other potential realities there are, but we should not assume that they are there until we find them, and we should not assume they are not there if there seems to be evidence that they are. This applies as much to paranormal phenomena as to particles. I still don't know why we need the image of the hologram, but if people find it helpful, that's fine with me! - A camera is a reasonable recorder of a scene. I think we can trust the picture we get as an exact representation of the view before us. We look at the picture and the scene and they are the same. Our eyes produce an accurate representation of physical reality. That is enough for me.
Quantum Physics: Lights Frozen in Time
by David Turell , Friday, August 19, 2016, 20:10 (3016 days ago) @ dhw
> DAVID: Quantum results are always affected by the experimenter's conscious choices. > > dhw: For me, this alone throws into question your claim that there is such a thing as a “planned construction pattern” with an “integrated quantum plan”.-You are incorrect. The particles' properties are well understood. The aspect of the researcher's consciousness affects the result as a wave or particle form, changes in late choice decisions and so forth. All researchers understand the role of conscious decisions. > QUOTE: At this level it is strikingly evident that there may be no objective physical reality at all. What the scientific community once thought was there in the sub-atomic realm and what the educated world was taught to perceive as real simply does not exist… > Niels Bohr, who is regarded as the father of quantum physics, pointed out that a particle only becomes a particle when someone is looking at it. The new physics tells us that the observer cannot observe anything without changing what he sees. > > These comments are extended to the whole of what we call “reality” (see below), and we seem once more to be entering the realm of epistemology. For me, the fact that physical reality can only be observed subjectively does not mean there is no objective physical reality. It simply means that we cannot know what that objective reality is. -Reality is behind the quantum wall of probability. This is what Ruth Kastner was trying to tell you. > > dhw: It's a pity they don't give concrete examples. Altering the outcome of events is very different from changing the objects of our perception and shaping our physical reality. It would indeed be astonishing if scientists could prove that by wanting to perceive the sun as a bar of chocolate, I could actually make it into a bar of chocolate. But perhaps I have totally misunderstood what they are saying!-They are referring to known examples of 'late choice' experiments when a late decision changes the beginning results! Conscious choice changes results since quanta can be several things at once. > > dhw: QUOTE: If our bodies, at least metaphorically, are made of frozen light, they maintain the characteristics of light, which means they have frequency. Matter then may be thought of as light of a higher density. Thus, drawing on the implications of modern physics, we can conclude that human beings are made of light held in matter. > > How does “metaphorically” translate into human beings and all other forms of matter actually BEING light? Why not energy held in matter? The next quote exacerbates my confusion:-I can only say that Kabballah also says we are mystically beings of light. I don't know how either.-> > dhw: QUOTE: It is important to stress that Gerber's concept of matter as frozen light may not be merely metaphoric. Gerber describes the cellular matrix of the physical body as a complex energy interference pattern, interpenetrated by the organizing bio energetic field of the etheric body. The physical body is therefore an energy field, and the field is made up of segments of vibration. > > So we are light held in matter (which is a "higher density" light anyway), though this may or may not be a metaphor, our cells are a complex energy interference pattern, and our physical body is an energy field made up of segments of vibration. We know that light is a form of energy, but that does not mean all energy is a form of light, so what does this actually mean? That all matter, energy and vibrations are light, or light is energy plus vibrations? What are these “vibrations”? You must forgive my ignorance, but there are probably others out there who are just as confused as I am.-They are making the point that photons (perhaps over-making it), are everywhere. Just as in life protons are everywhere carrying the energy of life.
Quantum Physics: its energy all the way down
by David Turell , Thursday, November 09, 2017, 23:03 (2569 days ago) @ BBella
Mass and matter only exist as quantum fields rom the smallest energy particles
http://nautil.us/issue/54/the-unspoken/physics-has-demoted-mass?utm_source=Nautilus&...
"Whatever it is, we call it matter or material substance. It has a characteristic property that we call solidity. It has mass.
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"In the same units of MeV/c2 the proton mass is 938.3, the neutron 939.6. The combination of two up quarks and a down quark gives us only 9.4, or just 1 percent of the mass of the proton. The combination of two down quarks and an up quark gives us only 11.9, or just 1.3 percent of the mass of the neutron. About 99 percent of the masses of the proton and neutron seem to be unaccounted for. What’s gone wrong?
"To answer this question, we need to recognize what we’re dealing with. Quarks are not self-contained “particles” of the kind that the Greeks or the mechanical philosophers might have imagined. They are quantum wave-particles; fundamental vibrations or fluctuations of elementary quantum fields. The up and down quarks are only a few times heavier than the electron, and we’ve demonstrated the electron’s wave-particle nature in countless laboratory experiments. We need to prepare ourselves for some odd, if not downright bizarre behavior.
"And let’s not forget the massless gluons. Or special relativity, and E = mc2. Or the difference between “bare” and “dressed” mass. And, last but not least, let’s not forget the role of the Higgs field in the “origin” of the mass of all elementary particles. To try to understand what’s going on inside a proton or neutron we need to reach for quantum chromodynamics, the quantum field theory of the color force between quarks.
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"What this means is that the mass of the proton and neutron can be traced largely to the energy of the gluons and the sea of quark–anti-quark pairs that are conjured from the color field.
"How do we know? Well, it must be admitted that it is actually really rather difficult to perform calculations using QCD. The color force is extremely strong, and the corresponding energies of color-force interactions are therefore very high. Remember that the gluons also carry color charge, so everything interacts with everything else. Virtually anything can happen, and keeping track of all the possible virtual and elementary-particle permutations is very demanding.
"This means that although the equations of QCD can be written down in a relatively straightforward manner, they cannot be solved analytically, on paper. Also, the mathematical sleight-of-hand used so successfully in QED no longer applies—because the energies of the interactions are so high we can’t apply the techniques of renormalization. Physicists have had no choice but to solve the equations on a computer instead.
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"Recall that in Einstein’s seminal addendum to his 1905 paper on special relativity the equation he derived is actually m = E/c2. This is the great insight (not E = mc2). And Einstein was surely prescient when he wrote: “the mass of a body is a measure of its energy content.” Indeed, it is. In his book The Lightness of Being, Wilczek wrote:
"If the body is a human body, whose mass overwhelmingly arises from the protons and neutrons it contains, the answer is now clear and decisive. The inertia of that body, with 95 percent accuracy, is its energy content.
"As we worked our way ever inward—matter into atoms, atoms into sub-atomic particles, sub-atomic particles into quantum fields and forces—we lost sight of matter completely. Matter lost its tangibility. It lost its primacy as mass became a secondary quality, the result of interactions between intangible quantum fields. What we recognize as mass is a behavior of these quantum fields; it is not a property that belongs or is necessarily intrinsic to them.
"Despite the fact that our physical world is filled with hard and heavy things, it is instead the energy of quantum fields that reigns supreme. Mass becomes simply a physical manifestation of that energy, rather than the other way around."
Comment: Quantum Energy is the basis of the universe's matter. It doesn't go back and forth. God works only at the quantum level to maker the universe