ID, a \"Backwards\" Philosophy? (Evolution)

by xeno6696 , Sonoran Desert, Sunday, August 30, 2009, 04:07 (5563 days ago) @ David Turell


> > Atheist: "You see, these chemical reactions occur without interference. Evolution needs no creator to explain it."
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> > ID advocate: "The breadth and scope of life's complexity definitely allows us to infer that a creator exists."
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> > So how does ID separate itself from other theistic positions enough that it can claim a "better" representation of reality?
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> I would change the quotes: The atheist says these chance mutation reactions occur .....etc.
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> The IDer says: science is proving life's chemistry to be so complex chance could not have done it. 
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> That is not the same as a theistic approach, which starts with Bible stories. My Jesuit (almost, he got married) friend always reminded me, once you accepted a few basic Catholic tenets, the rest was all logical. ID starts with the science and then tries to be logical. - The dilemma I see is that the idea of a creator is entrenched in our thought and culture, so how can we really tell that we're not working towards a philosophical goal vs. actually following evidence? Especially when the conclusion we reach is still ultimately debatable? You said yourself that your conviction is a leap of faith. Doesn't that mean that you've already reached a conclusion and are now justifying it?

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